2nd Amendment Violation

[Wolfeman]

The city of Oakland has designate a 2 mile area where 53 people are not allowed to be in the company of each other, and they are not allowed to possess firearms.
What happened to the: Right to assemble, and the Right to bear arms?
How can Oakland do that?
Yes, the 53 people in question have been 'identified' as members of the Norteno gang, but what does that have to do with it? If they are American citizens then they should have the same rights as everyone else. Right?
- Wolfeman

[Marty]

The 53 people are more than likely harden felons who have been in and out of prison and lost their rights to the 2nd Amendment. As for the Right to Assemble, that is for people to give grievance to the Government not to get together to see who they are going to rob or kill.

The only time you are equal is when your born from that point on it is up to you!

The Norteños (Spanish: Northerners), also known as Norte, are affiliated with Nuestra Familia (Our Family – American Mexican), are a coalition of traditionally Latino gangs in Northern California. A member of these gangs is a Norteño (male) or Norteña (female) based on Spanish usage. Northern Californians who are not gang members, but feel a strong cultural affiliation with others in Northern California, may also refer to themselves as Norteños/Norteñas or simply "Northerners." The traditional rivals of the Norteños are the Sureños ("Southerners" Mojado (Wetback)). The statewide dividing line between Norteños and Sureños has roughly been accepted as the rural community of Delano, California. Norteños may refer to Northern California as Norte, Spanish for "north".

There are some in other states such as Colorado and Montana.
History - In 1968, Mexican-American inmates of the California state prison system separated into two rival groups, Norteños (northerners)and Sureños (southerners), according to the locations of their hometowns (the north-south dividing line is near Delano, California).

Norteños affiliated with Nuestra Familia were prison enemies of the Southern Latinos who comprised La Eme, better known as the Mexican Mafia. While the Mexican Mafia had initially been created to protect Mexicans in prison, there was a perceived level of abuse by members of La Eme towards the imprisoned Latinos from rural farming areas of Northern California. The spark that led to the ongoing war between Norteños and members of the Mexican Mafia involved a situation in which a member of La Eme allegedly stole a pair of shoes from a Northerner. This event put into motion the longest-running gang war in the state of California.

Operation Black Widow

Federal law enforcement agencies, long unable to infiltrate the group, began to step up their investigations in the late 1990s.In 2000 and 2001, 22 members were indicted on Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) charges including several who were allegedly serving as high-ranking gang leaders while confined in Pelican Bay.

Thirteen of the defendants pleaded guilty; the other cases are still ongoing. Two of the defendants face the death penalty for ordering murders related to the Drug trafficking. The largest of the federal investigations was Operation Black Widow.
In the aftermath of Operation Black Widow, the five highest ranking leaders of the Norteños were transferred to a federal supermaximum prison in Florence, Colorado.

The written constitution of the Norteños stated that the leadership of the gang reside in Pelican Bay State Prison in California; the relocation of the gang's leaders led to the confusion of its soldiers and a power struggle of prospective generals.

Three new generals came to power at Pelican Bay, yet two were demoted, leaving only David "DC" Cervantes as the highest ranking member of the gang in California. Cervantes' rise marked the first time in decades that the Norteños had a single leader at the helm of their criminal organization.

The remaining leadership of the organization in Pelican Bay consists of Daniel "Stork" Perez, Anthony "Chuco" Guillen and George "Puppet" Franco. While all Norteño soldiers and captains in California are expected to follow the orders of Cervantes, a small percentage of the gang remains loyal to the former generals and captains imprisoned in Colorado.

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has complained that keeping the five remaining gang leaders located in the same prison continues to add to California gang violence, and that they should be scattered throughout different prisons. While the recognized leaders of the Norteños in Pelican Bay ask that members respect the former leaders, they have been effectively stripped of their authority.

The former leaders include James "Tibbs" Morado, Joseph "Pinky" Hernandez, Gerald "Cuete" Rubalcaba, Cornelio Tristan, and Tex Marin Hernandez.
Norteños also lay claim to images of the Mexican-American labor movement, such as the sombrero, machete, and "Huelga bird", symbols of the United Farm Workers.

These are just some of the Hispanic gangs known around the county, each city within Los Angeles has their own sets depending on what city they are from.

• 38th Street gang
• 18 street gang
• White Fence
• Avenues
• Varrio Nuevo Estrada
• MS-13
• Mexican Mafia (Prison Gang)
• Clanton 14
• Norteños
• Nuestra Familia (Prison Gang)
• Surenos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ca ... reet_gangs

[Wolfeman]

Not too hard for a convicted felon to get a gun permit. Happens all the time.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7856189

[Rod Martin]

Not too hard for a convicted felon to get a gun permit. Happens all the time.

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7856189

There are ways spelled out to lose your rights, That would be your first post. this one just deals with Gov. being incompent . They are, always have been, always will be.

While they require us not to be.