New Bass Circuit - New Jen

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New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby BassNCop » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:46 am

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I was handed this flyer at our last tournament. I have never heard of them and learned they are a new bass circuit. I believe they are out of Visalia. That's about all I know, I'm sure someone on here will know more. Love the schedules....actual "true regions".
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machadobass
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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby machadobass » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:44 am

Do we really need a new tournament series in Northern California?

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby BassNCop » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:42 am

If you don't like it....don't be negative. The way I see it....more options for us. Many don't care for the circuits that are currently operating, so here's another option.

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby machadobass » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:39 pm

I don't see where I said anything negative or positive for that matter. But, to be negative I will add that it seems our better fisheries are getting hammered with Tournaments. The summer tournaments in my opinion are very stressful to the fish. Back when I fished tournaments we had fewer derbys but larger fields. Just my opinion

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby hydro » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:50 am

I saw that the CTT (California Tournament Trail) are taking next year off from pro-ams and expanding their team circuit to include Central and Mother Lode regions . Only 5 events on 3 different lakes and a TOC at the end of June .
Looks better to me than the New Jen ML region with 6 events on only 2 lakes but that's just me .

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby cvan » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:04 pm

machadobass wrote:Do we really need a new tournament series in Northern California?

Not another that isn't 100% payback...
There's enough sponsor money out there for the circuits to earn their keep if they work for it! Instead, they choose to line their pockets with your money. Many of the circuits take more than 25% of the total of angler contributions...what a joke!

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby cboogy » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:44 pm

Ha. CVAN it's a business!!! If you don't like it don't fish them. Pretty simple. I enjoy every minute of it and I could care less where the money goes. It's a sport. Nobody gives directors credit or for that matter even a simple thank you for hosting!!! When you say the things you say it makes you look like a cheep, broke fishermen that should only be fun fishing on the weekends. Like I said, knowing or now knowing what percent the org takes shouldn't matter one bit. The only thing you should be worried about is catching some fish, having fun and in your case hopefully cashing a check. Good luck this season if you decide to play.

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby cvan » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:39 pm

cboogy wrote:Ha. CVAN it's a business!!! If you don't like it don't fish them. Pretty simple. I enjoy every minute of it and I could care less where the money goes. It's a sport. Nobody gives directors credit or for that matter even a simple thank you for hosting!!! When you say the things you say it makes you look like a cheep, broke fishermen that should only be fun fishing on the weekends. Like I said, knowing or now knowing what percent the org takes shouldn't matter one bit. The only thing you should be worried about is catching some fish, having fun and in your case hopefully cashing a check. Good luck this season if you decide to play.


You're right it is a business, on both sides. If you want to fun fish and donate that's your business, not my deal. My opinion is that we don't need another org that doesn't pay 100%, there's enough that don't! It's not about being cheap, it's more about being a sore loser. After all it's just a bet between anglers. I'll line my pockets with angler dollars and the TD can line his with sponsor dollars, then we're all winners....100% simple!

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby ILW » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:35 am

If a tournament org pays back 100% how are they supposed to cover time and costs?

My 2 cents and who really cares about that but my 2 cents is there is no one that wants to go fight with other organziations over event dates, take the time and spend the money to get permits, insurance etc, spend the time to advertise, make flyers, post events, run a website, answer angler question,s show up at an event at a lake at 4 in the morning, get everyone checked in and blasted off, wait all day until weigh in, work as a weighmaster, host the awards, post the results, hear anglers complaine, open and run a bank or checking account or figure the cash, keep the books, buy scales, spend time and money to drive to and from the event, drag popup tents and scales to and from events, buy and have coffee available, answer phone calls all week before the event, and a week after with complaints, disputes, car breakins, boat breakdowns, worry about water levels, launch ramps situations, fisherman safety, tow in for breakdowns, acquire trophies, banners etc. etc. and do this for FREE so the anglers can get 100% payback???

line their pockets with sponsor money??? maybe sponsors cover trophy costs or chip in for banners, but sponsors aren't out there paying dollars to orgs that they don't get a return on. If a sponsor gives an org $100 in dollars or product, they want that plus more in return or it doesn't pay for them to advertise with the org. companies aren't out there giving away money for nothing and what does an advertiser really get out of giving dollars to a 20 boat field?

I don't know, but I highly doubt sponsors are giving cash to organizattions that aren't big leaguers so I highly doubt there is a whole lot of lining pockets with sponsor money for the directors.

Are there other jobs who have customers or clients that ask them to work for product or free. Maybe I am being closed minded but I cannot think of any. If my boss asked me to work for free, I would be gone. If I had customers that asked me to work to pay me in worms or cheeseburgers next tuesday or boxes of diapers or whatever product, I would not take the job.

I think it is easy to forget that tournament organizations are businesses and the people that run them are workers. People should be paid for their time or why spend the time and businesses should make a profit or why operate?

Are guys just supposed to run tournaments by volunteering their time and spending their own money on their gas etc. and run them so fisherman can win 100% payback? I just dont' see it, but thats me and what do I know.

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby cvan » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:34 pm

Back in the day, 100% Bass did it, WWBT does it, FLW and BASS do it...Where there's a will there's a way. Some take the high road and others take the easy road...

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby cboogy » Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:28 am

Ha. I think I saw you out there this weekend. CVAN was that you pitching the docs in the flw at clear??? Oh wait, that wasn't you. It's probably best you just stick to fishing sun with friends and family. Doesn't look like this derby stuff is for you.

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby ILW » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:31 am

"Back in the day" was a different time. Industry dollars have changed since 100%Bass days. and I don't think comparing what is more like mom and pop type circuits to FLW and BASS is comparing apples to apples.

I would guess that organizations that offer giant websites, tv shows, commericials, magazines and live stream video audiences with hundreds of thousands of views, not to mention thousands of people in person at weighins can command dollars from sponsors that can pay the bills of operations, while a circuit like first mentioned in this post AT BEST can offer some social media photos and a facebook live stream because its free to post on fB, but thats only if they've got someone to volunteer to stand there and film it or take pix of guys. and I do mean volunteer or the circuit has to come out of pocket for another cost of a circuit worker/employee and if there is a worker/employee there is another costs for having an employee in california including payroll tax and workers comp. so at best, they can offer some social media photos and results on their website.

On a circuit of this size, what do you think website traffic is that will impress a sponsor to throw dollars enough to cover operations? How many fb photos will a sponsor think is worth the hundered or thousands of dollars needed to put on this circuit without the owners eating any money and getting paid for their time involved, all their time involved?

I don't know the answer to these questions. I am just guessing that the traffic and fb photos that any joe blow is putting up everyday are not enough to get a sponsor or sponsors to cover all the expenses and time tournament director/circuit owner puts into an organization.I say this because I have a business in california and I know what it costs to run it, employ people and how no one wants to work without getting paid, including myself.

I guess that is why I find the concept of anglers thinking a person or person(s) should run a tourney organization, take on the liability, expense and time and do it for no pay or do it for product a sponsor will give all so that the anglers fishing can have 100% payback makes no sense to me.

I don't go in to a store and buy milk expecting the store not to make a profit, the employees in the store not to get paid, the truckers that drove the milk to the store to pay for their own gas, the farmers to produce the milk without getting paid. I know everyone middle man to the end of the line at the store is getting paid for their work and making a profit and rightfully so, so why do we think tournament fishing is any different and tournament organizers should run their business and NOT get paid or not make a profit? You buy milk, you know a percent of what you pay to take the milk goes to profit. You fish a tournament you know a percent of your entry goes to pay for operations and another percent goes for profit.

Like last time I will say this is my opinion and who really cares about that

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby Rich hamilton » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:41 pm

ILW, your post is right on and accurate. I hope all the tournaments succeed. Thanks in advance to all the tournament organizations who make it possible for me to escape life for a day or two and put a smile on my face.

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby kmah » Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:56 pm

ILW wrote:"Back in the day" was a different time. Industry dollars have changed since 100%Bass days. and I don't think comparing what is more like mom and pop type circuits to FLW and BASS is comparing apples to apples.

I would guess that organizations that offer giant websites, tv shows, commericials, magazines and live stream video audiences with hundreds of thousands of views, not to mention thousands of people in person at weighins can command dollars from sponsors that can pay the bills of operations, while a circuit like first mentioned in this post AT BEST can offer some social media photos and a facebook live stream because its free to post on fB, but thats only if they've got someone to volunteer to stand there and film it or take pix of guys. and I do mean volunteer or the circuit has to come out of pocket for another cost of a circuit worker/employee and if there is a worker/employee there is another costs for having an employee in california including payroll tax and workers comp. so at best, they can offer some social media photos and results on their website.

On a circuit of this size, what do you think website traffic is that will impress a sponsor to throw dollars enough to cover operations? How many fb photos will a sponsor think is worth the hundered or thousands of dollars needed to put on this circuit without the owners eating any money and getting paid for their time involved, all their time involved?

I don't know the answer to these questions. I am just guessing that the traffic and fb photos that any joe blow is putting up everyday are not enough to get a sponsor or sponsors to cover all the expenses and time tournament director/circuit owner puts into an organization.I say this because I have a business in california and I know what it costs to run it, employ people and how no one wants to work without getting paid, including myself.

I guess that is why I find the concept of anglers thinking a person or person(s) should run a tourney organization, take on the liability, expense and time and do it for no pay or do it for product a sponsor will give all so that the anglers fishing can have 100% payback makes no sense to me.

I don't go in to a store and buy milk expecting the store not to make a profit, the employees in the store not to get paid, the truckers that drove the milk to the store to pay for their own gas, the farmers to produce the milk without getting paid. I know everyone middle man to the end of the line at the store is getting paid for their work and making a profit and rightfully so, so why do we think tournament fishing is any different and tournament organizers should run their business and NOT get paid or not make a profit? You buy milk, you know a percent of what you pay to take the milk goes to profit. You fish a tournament you know a percent of your entry goes to pay for operations and another percent goes for profit.

Like last time I will say this is my opinion and who really cares about that


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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby MACKDADDY86 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:21 pm

As soon as I buy a boat, I plan on getting into the NewJen club. I know a couple guys in it and they pretty much do it for the competition part and they said its fun. Better then just fishing with friends and seeing who can catch the most or the biggest fish. Plus I live in Visalia and if the tournaments are all at Kaweah or Pineflat, it makes it a little easier for me to not have to travel long distances. I don't ever plan on joining the FLW or BASS, I'm far off from that. But if I can do one tournament a month and maybe......."maybe" win some money or a trophy, I'm cool with that.

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby edsterone » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:50 am

I fished NewJen this year. What a lot of you don't know is that the payout is full disclosure so you know exactly what the payouts are going to be at blast off based on the number of boats. The payouts are the best that I've seen and the tournaments are about as professionally ran as you can get. Newt and Jen do a lot of social media stuff and are good at promoting their stuff so their members get a lot of exposure. They go above and beyond and put in a lot of effort to make it a success and keep their members happy. Next time you fish a BBT check the math at payout and compare it to NewJen. You will see a huge difference and I'll bet you will go with NewJen. Just saying!!

If you wanna learn more check their FB page/Instagram/ or their webpage at Newjenbass.com

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby Diesel Guy » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:58 am

I feel it just to say what I heard. Granted it's second hand info, but it comes from 2 guys that i've known and fished with/against for 20ish years. They fished a couple of their tourneys this past season I was told told a couple horror stories. It's enough to keep me away.

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby Gary Dobyns » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:55 pm

The sponsor dollars are not like the "old days". Also, neither are the expenses. The costs of all the added permits at the lakes (not talking DFG permits, these are cheap), film permits, lake location permits, drone permits, and so forth is crazy. We even have to pay extra for spectators at locations. CA and AZ make it really difficult and I know it as I write the checks for WWBT!! We have paid over 100% since day one and we work hard to get sponsors and keep them too. There's also a ton more work that goes into these events than anglers realize. I know as an angler sitting on the water it looked easy...in fact there's a lot of work long before the event. Any circuit other than BASS and FLW paying back 100% is doing so out of their own pockets. Just a simple fact. Also, TV is SUPER expensive but needed to grow with sponsors.

Thanks to all that made WWBT such a giant success this year. I’m thankful that I “really got to know” a bunch more of our western anglers this year and made a bunch more friends!!!

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby Trapp » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:39 pm

Gary Dobyns wrote:The sponsor dollars are not like the "old days". Also, neither are the expenses. The costs of all the added permits at the lakes (not talking DFG permits, these are cheap), film permits, lake location permits, drone permits, and so forth is crazy. We even have to pay extra for spectators at locations. CA and AZ make it really difficult and I know it as I write the checks for WWBT!! We have paid over 100% since day one and we work hard to get sponsors and keep them too. There's also a ton more work that goes into these events than anglers realize. I know as an angler sitting on the water it looked easy...in fact there's a lot of work long before the event. Any circuit other than BASS and FLW paying back 100% is doing so out of their own pockets. Just a simple fact. Also, TV is SUPER expensive but needed to grow with sponsors.

Thanks to all that made WWBT such a giant success this year. I’m thankful that I “really got to know” a bunch more of our western anglers this year and made a bunch more friends!!!

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby Dougfish » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:41 am

ILW wrote:If a tournament org pays back 100% how are they supposed to cover time and costs?

My 2 cents and who really cares about that but my 2 cents is there is no one that wants to go fight with other organziations over event dates, take the time and spend the money to get permits, insurance etc, spend the time to advertise, make flyers, post events, run a website, answer angler question,s show up at an event at a lake at 4 in the morning, get everyone checked in and blasted off, wait all day until weigh in, work as a weighmaster, host the awards, post the results, hear anglers complaine, open and run a bank or checking account or figure the cash, keep the books, buy scales, spend time and money to drive to and from the event, drag popup tents and scales to and from events, buy and have coffee available, answer phone calls all week before the event, and a week after with complaints, disputes, car breakins, boat breakdowns, worry about water levels, launch ramps situations, fisherman safety, tow in for breakdowns, acquire trophies, banners etc. etc. and do this for FREE so the anglers can get 100% payback???

line their pockets with sponsor money??? maybe sponsors cover trophy costs or chip in for banners, but sponsors aren't out there paying dollars to orgs that they don't get a return on. If a sponsor gives an org $100 in dollars or product, they want that plus more in return or it doesn't pay for them to advertise with the org. companies aren't out there giving away money for nothing and what does an advertiser really get out of giving dollars to a 20 boat field?

I don't know, but I highly doubt sponsors are giving cash to organizattions that aren't big leaguers so I highly doubt there is a whole lot of lining pockets with sponsor money for the directors.

Are there other jobs who have customers or clients that ask them to work for product or free. Maybe I am being closed minded but I cannot think of any. If my boss asked me to work for free, I would be gone. If I had customers that asked me to work to pay me in worms or cheeseburgers next tuesday or boxes of diapers or whatever product, I would not take the job.

I think it is easy to forget that tournament organizations are businesses and the people that run them are workers. People should be paid for their time or why spend the time and businesses should make a profit or why operate?

Are guys just supposed to run tournaments by volunteering their time and spending their own money on their gas etc. and run them so fisherman can win 100% payback? I just dont' see it, but thats me and what do I know.



Very well articulated. Thank you for reminding us of all the work that goes into running a tournament. I would happily give a fee to someone to run and let me show up to fish. I want it to be worth the tournament directors time so they keep helping us have a great sport to compete at.

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby Basscat1972 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:37 pm

I for one am willing to support someone giving us something new. I haven't seen any new info on this circuit though. Does anyone know where they are launching from or if it's still happening?

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby Newjenbass » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:31 pm

Clearlake will launch out of redbud, Delta will launch from Russo’s, Berryessa is at Capell cove Oroville is at Bidwell, Pineflat is Deer Creek, McClure is Barrett Cove, Don Pedro is Fleming’s, Millerton is Fresno ramp and Kaweah is determined closer to the dates based on water level. Newjenbass.com is being updated this week and if you have any questions please call or text me. 559-802-6038. Thank you

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby Newjenbass » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:36 pm

Diesel Guy wrote:I feel it just to say what I heard. Granted it's second hand info, but it comes from 2 guys that i've known and fished with/against for 20ish years. They fished a couple of their tourneys this past season I was told told a couple horror stories. It's enough to keep me away.


It is very unfortunate that you chose to post your “second hand” information. Newjenbass had an amazing 2017 season supported by Anheuser-Busch and all of our associate sponsors. Not only were there no “horror stories” we didn’t even have a simple controversy at any of our 10 events in 2017. Please do not share your negative, second hand information anymore, it does not help our sport. If you have questions or concerns please feel free to call or text any time 559-802-6038

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby BigBassDaddy1190 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:24 pm

Newjenbass wrote:Clearlake will launch out of redbud, Delta will launch from Russo’s, Berryessa is at Capell cove Oroville is at Bidwell, Pineflat is Deer Creek, McClure is Barrett Cove, Don Pedro is Fleming’s, Millerton is Fresno ramp and Kaweah is determined closer to the dates based on water level. Newjenbass.com is being updated this week and if you have any questions please call or text me. 559-802-6038. Thank you



Looking forward to the start of the season. Hopefully Clearlake is improving

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Re: New Bass Circuit - New Jen

Postby edsterone » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:05 pm

DieselGuy,
I feel it’s only right to give an example about these so called “horror stories”. Especially if its second hand information. And in your own words you did say “second hand information”. Can you elaborate? I fished the whole season and never missed one tournament and I do not recall one controversy. I was there... were you?


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