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mrtriton
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Team Liftoff Website

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This is to let you know Liftoff energy drink website has changed... You can now access it at

www.fishenergynow.com

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Mike
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Re: Team Liftoff Website

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I see from the website that Liftoff is an Herbalife product. Isn't the whole Herbal network best known as a big pyramid scheme? Just do a Google search on Herbalife + pyramid + ponzi scheme...
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Im sorry to inform you that Herbalife is not a Pyramid.. Pyramids are illegal in this country... Herbalife has been around for 26 years and is in 60 countries World Wide....

They are also traded on the New York Stock Exchange... If you would like to know more please feel free to drop me an email at

totalsolution@comcast.net

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Mike
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First off, apologies to westerbass.com for the off topic content...

Ok...just do a simple Google search for "herbalife" + "pyramid" and see all the references that pop up. This excerpt is just one of many:

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Herbalife like many other MLM's or Multi-Level Marketing programs have both its strong proponents and detractors. There have been many that have earned a great deal with this program and many that have not done well. We'll look at both scenarios as well as the fascinating history of this company.

Herbalife was started in 1980 by Mark Hughes who was then 24 years old. They are now one of the largest weight management and nutritional supplement companies in the world currently active in almost 60 countries and grossing close to $2 Billion per year. Participants in the program are known as "distributors" and there are over 1 million active worlwide today.

Legal troubles began early on and in 1982 the FDA filed against
Herbalife for false advertising as they had claimed their products
could dissolve and remove tumors, increase circulation and treat a
number of other diseases. In 1984, the FDA continued their reports and found that some of the Herbalife products also seemed to produce negative side effects and discontinuance often caused the side effects to stop. The FDA claimed that literature produced by Herbalife for their distributors indeed pointed out that adverse side affects were likely in up to 25% of users of the products, but this was just the body's way of showing that improvement was occurring and the body was purging itself of impurities. Lawsuits from individuals followed. Some were settled out of court, but settlement amounts remain sealed although they were reported as being "substantial".

As noted at this Herbalife Report on "Learn the Truth About Herbalife": http://www.freewebs.com/herbalifereport/historyb.html

1985: The First Major Law Suit For Herbalife

In May 1985, Senator William V. Roth, Jr. (R-DE) held two days of
hearings on weight-reduction programs, during which he grilled Hughes about the "research and testing" done prior to marketing Herbalife's products. Hughes said, "We have a lot of scientific data on the herbs," but Roth ascertained that no actual testing of Herbalife products had taken place.

The hearing also brought to light a study done by Herbalife of 428
users of its products. About 40% had experienced headache,
constipation, diarrhea, nausea, lightheadedness, palpitations, and/or other transient symptoms that might be attributable to Herbalife products. The occurrence of side effects came as no surprise because several ingredients in Herbalife products were potent laxatives and one product (N.R.G.) contained guarana, which is high in caffeine.

In March 1985, the California Attorney General had charged Herbalife with violating California's consumer protection laws. The suit charged that early editions of the Herbalife Official Career Handbook made illegal claims that various herbal ingredients were effective against more than seventy diseases and conditions. Although most of these claims were deleted in subsequent editions of the handbook, the company had not replaced the original pages sent to distributors with the revised pages or asked these distributors to destroy them. Similar testimonial claims had been made in the company's cable television broadcasts. The suit also charged that Herbalife had been operating an illegal pyramid scheme. The case was settled in 1986 when Hughes and
the company agreed to pay $850,000 and to abide by a long list of
court-ordered restrictions on claims and marketing practices..."

As this article notes as it continues, Herbalife survived, toned down
the advertising claims and removed some potentially dangerous
ingredients from the products.

In 2000, founder Mark Hughes died of a prescription drug overdose at the age of 44. You will find a number of conflicting stories
surrounding his death and his successor as company chairman who claims to be his father. Much of the success early on for the company was due to Mark's charisma and evangelical sales meetings and pitches which may still be viewed at the Herbalife web site or elsewhere on the Internet. Today, 14 of the largest distributors conduct these meetings in his absence.
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mrtriton wrote:Im sorry to inform you that Herbalife is not a Pyramid
One more:

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Herbalife Marketers Plead Guilty to Pyramid Selling -- Global Online Systems Inc. Fined $150,000 for Operating Illegal Pyramid Scheme

OTTAWA, November 23, 2004 — A Competition Bureau investigation into a Vancouver-based multi-level marketing firm has led to a $150,000 fine and guilty pleas on two counts under the deceptive marketing provisions of the Competition Act. The matter has been resolved with Global Online Systems Inc. (GOLS) voluntarily pleading guilty and signing a Prohibition Order filed today with the Federal Court of Canada.

An investigation by the Bureau revealed that GOLS was operating a scheme of pyramid selling. Participants in the GOLS multi-level marketing plan were selling health-related products marketed by Herbalife Canada Ltd.

Contrary to the Act, participants were compensated for the recruitment of new participants and had to buy specific quantities of products as a condition of joining the plan. In addition, GOLS and its participants — through its Web sites and other promotional materials — recruited new participants by exaggerating income expectations without disclosing the income of a typical participant.

"Those who join pyramid schemes are often enticed by promises of easy money, but only the very few at the top ever see any real benefit," said Raymond Pierce, Deputy Commissioner of Competition. "The Bureau is committed to pursuing these offences under the Competition Act and ensuring that Canadians do not fall prey to such scams."

According to the Prohibition Order, Global Online Systems Inc. and its directors, Deborah Jane Stoltz and Marilyn Thom, have agreed to:

* pay a $150,000 fine;


* disclose the average income actually received by all participants in GOLS;


* inform all of its existing distributors and participants of the terms of the Order; and


* not become involved directly or indirectly in any business operation engaged in a scheme of pyramid selling.

Consumers who suspect they have been the victim of deceptive business practices or who want information on the application of the Competition Act should contact the Bureau's Information Centre at 1-800-348-5358, or visit our Web site at http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/.

The Competition Bureau is an independent law enforcement agency which ensures that all Canadians enjoy the benefits of a competitive economy. It oversees the application of the Competition Act, the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act, the Textile Labelling Act and the Precious Metals Marking Act.

For media enquiries, please contact:

Maureen McGrath
Senior Communications Advisor
Communications Branch
(819) 953-8982, or (613) 296-2187 (cell)

For general enquiries, please contact:

Information Centre
Competition Bureau
1-800-348-5358
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This happens

Post by Colebass »

in just about every business! Someone, doesn't say or do ethical things and the whole group pays the price. I am not in or have never been in Herbal Life, but a friend of mine was the cousin of the founder. Some great products.
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Yes unfortunately everyone pays the price... These are situations against certain distributors in the past... There are many Huge companies that have had lawsuits against them(Ford Motor Company, McDonalds etc.)

Team Liftoff is here to provide a new healthy energy drink... We are not here to argue with people about What happened with a few people in the company years ago... There are millions and millions of people in the business around the world... Again I do not approve of pyramid schemes.. and Yes they are illegal...

Liftoff is the sponsor of the AVP National Volleyball tour on ESPN, and is the new official drink of the LA Galaxy Soccer team... We are also sponsoring Bass fishing and have a team boat..

Again If you have any questions please drop an email at totalsolution@comcast.net

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Mike
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