not fishing related

[Jim Conlow Sr.]

THIS STORY EXEMPLIFIES GUN CONTROL AS IT SHOULD BE.



Shooting in Butte, Montana



Preteen with Shotgun vs. illegal alien Home Invaders Butte, Montana



Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.



It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.



Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.



Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11 year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals. When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.



It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.



Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news....



Now that is Gun Control



Thought for the day

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

[Dewayne]

it is a hoax.

Cmon Jim. Just more of the internet new that is made up to make people doubt real new sources and lead the gullible into supporting someones agenda.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

[Brian]

it is a hoax.

Cmon Jim. Just more of the internet new that is made up to make people doubt real new sources and lead the gullible into supporting someones agenda.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

Well at least this one is real. Also I dont know if I can find it but I will look, WAAAAAAAAAyyyyyyy back when I was in highschool, A friend of mine had a dad involved in a Love Triangle. While my freind was sleeping infront of the TV in his living room, the third party came in the house, shot my friend in the head, shot his X Wife, Shot the Dad, My friends 13 year old Brother hid in his room with a 22. When he came to get him, the 13 year old shot the guy in the head with the 22. This was in Elk Grove/ Wilton area somewhere around 1980 to 1984. So It does happen.



Teen shoots, kills 2 would-be robbers

02:46 PM CST on Thursday, December 28, 2006

From 11 News staff reports

An overnight home invasion robbery attempt in northeast Harris County ended in a hail of gunfire that left two suspects dead.

Investigators said a 17-year-old was home with his cousin when four armed men kicked in the door and started shooting.

The teen pulled out a shotgun of his own and fired back at the suspects, killing two of them.

Two other suspects were later caught.

The 17-year-old asked to not be identified.

“Truthfully, it was either them or me, regardless of who was on the other side of that door or whoever kicked my door down, it was either him or me,â€

[Guy Kelley]

[quote="Dewayne"]it is a hoax.

Cmon Jim. Just more of the internet new that is made up to make people doubt real new sources and lead the gullible into supporting someones agenda.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp[/quote]

Yeah, But ya know Dewayne, even if it was a hoax, as this story might be.

Even more is the good reason for every family having the right to protect them self's from all the would Be's who would think nothing of breaking into your home or mine and adding to the carnage that is occurring every day. We read about it in the newspaper and see it on the nightly news. Often it after the Pd's was too late to do anything about it. And we always say at least it wasn't me.

How long are we going to allow our children to be victims of political correctness and sensitivity training, So when someone dose make a target out of them they will be so feminized & passive sheep that the only thing that they will do for self presivation is call 911.

If the story is true . she is probably traumatized, but she did the right thing. Just like that gal security guard at the church in Colorado.
She had God on her side

[Marty]

A California woman was playing the role of getaway driver as her gang-member son looked for a home to burglarize, according to police. When the suspect found a target, he broke the lock on the screen door and began yelling at the female occupant. The burglar gave chase as the woman fled to the backyard, but she halted his advance with three rounds from a .38-caliber revolver. The intruder ran back to his mother, and the homeowner phoned police. When the suspects failed to locate a hospital, the “mother of the yearâ€

[Dewayne]

I own guns and have shouldered them on a couple occasions to defend my propery or my neighbors. I know there are many real stories out there of people using guns to take control of their personal safety.

I was once even an NRA member. I am a moderate though and they were too far right for my taste. When they started defending peoples rights to own assult weapons for "hunting" I parted ways. Even for home defense I do not want a neighbor taking up a 7.62mm FMJ to protect himself and endanger my family. The most powerfull weaponry all too often ends up in the hands of the people who are the least skilled and trained on gun safety. This does not mean we should take them all away, but we should have reasonable and well enforced laws to keep them out of the hands of those who are not qualified to use them.

My point here was not in favor of gun control. The point is in the internet age people have to be smart enough to do a little research before believing something they receive and passing it on. There is a lot of mis-information out there and a lot of it comes from the moral far right. Sorry, but their causes are more important than the truth.

Now you say this article was created by the gun control nuts. I would love to see where you came across this information.

[kopper_bass]

Dewayne,
I applaud you for being a "reasonable minded" gun owner. i too own guns and enjoy shooting and hunting, but cannot find a single reason why it should be OK for the average Joe to own an assult weapon. That's why i dont belong to the NRA because i dont believe they speak for me on this issue; it can't be all or nothing, for either side. there is plenty of room for compromise on this issue.

I also think you are absolutely right in that with today's information on the internet, nobody should take what they read or see online as factual or truthful. Unless you do some research, take it as heresay, and be skeptical. People go so far out of their way to make things appear to be real, when 99% of what's out there is ficticious. (except of course for those sites, where girls want me....... oh never mind).

only thing i would disagree with you on is that the Far Right is the sole owner of mis-information. it surely comes from the Far Left too. Anyone who thinks in 1 direction only is a part of the problem, and not a part of the solution.

i consider myself a self thinker somewhere in the middle. i dont subscribe to the cookie cutter ways of the Far Left or Far Right. I think for myself, and make my own decisions on issues; regardless of whether it falls on the side of liberal or conservative.

I sure wish more people would do the same.

Cheers and Happy Holidays to everyone,

kopper_bass

[kopper_bass]

Hey jim,
I agree with your general ideas that people should be able to defend themselves against intruders. obviously, the use of this story though, being fake, just seems to hurt the cause (in my opinion).

But, i gotta say, i do get a kick from your "thought for the day".
It does make you think ........ hmmm?
Did you come up with that, or what?

Thanks for sharing,

Kopper_Bass

[Dewayne]

Your putting words in my mouth.

I never said "sole owner" I did say they were responsible for "a lot". Both sides use this tactic, but the far right seems to be getting more air play of their ficticious stories meant to inflame people and polarize them away from any middle ground.

You are right that both use this tactic. If it is something that you really want to believe then you should step back and look at it objectively.

[fish_food]

When they started defending peoples rights to own assult weapons for "hunting" I parted ways. Even for home defense I do not want a neighbor taking up a 7.62mm FMJ to protect himself and endanger my family.

Actually, the 7.62mm (aka .308 Winchester and 7.62 x 51 NATO) has been a totally accepted hunting and defensive caliber since its inception. It was conceived as lighter weight, shortened, ballistic equivalent for the aging .30-06 cartridge. You wouldn't want to use FMJ versions for home defense in a residential area though--you're better off with one of the frangible home defense versions to prevent penetration thru walls, etc.

Same thing with the 7.62 x 39 Russian--it also happens to be a totally accepted hunting and defensive cartridge. It's basically the Russian 1940s equivalent to our even older .30-30 cartridge (ie, a medium-powered cartridge good for shorter to medium range shooting).

Just clearing up some misconceptions...

[Jim Conlow Sr.]

You are exactly correct

[Dewayne]

I know. I own a 308 for deer hunting. When I have to defend my person or home it is not the weapon I pick up.

In our last neighborhood we were having a party at a neighbors house. At mid nite I heard a loud report. The home owner had taken out his home defense gun and was firing it into the air in Brentwood. He had some issues with some bad teenagers in the area so he had picked up a 30-06 for home defense. The guy had no firearms training and no common sence. He had expanding bullets at least, but he really believed he would use this scoped deer rifle to protect his family should someone enter his house. I worked with him and convinced him to take a firearms safety course and consult with a officer from the neighborhood on a gun for home defense. He now has a 20 guage with a short barrel that is better suited for what he needs.

[fish_food]

Those kids better not rob his house wearing deer costumes then. Santa: better skip this house.

[kopper_bass]

yeah, i was ad-libbing.

Cheers,

Kopper_Bass

[Andy Giannini]

A 20 gauge?

What did he say at the counter?

"I need a shotgun for a teenager..."

"Here you go, a 20 gauge just right for a teen..."



HAR!

A.G.

(Keep in mind Dewayne, pump shotguns have been used in many different wars by the U.S. They have been outfitted with burn/hanguards, bayonets and the like.)