Im Raffling off my Ranger Z520 For 20$

Mark Goines · Post by **Mark Goines** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:13 pm

thats right some lucky person is going to win my boat for 20 bucks all the detailes are on my web page
markgoines.com

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:24 pm

This has come up before, are you sure doing this is legal? I mean everyone is having a hard time selling boats right now, if it was legal why aren't more people doing this?

MikeD · Post by **MikeD** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:24 pm

better get the advertising rate paid before posting this

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:25 pm

I see nothing about a boat on that site.

Jerkbait · Post by **Jerkbait** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:44 pm

I got my tickets.Mark has a great TV show on the sportsman channel and the tickets are tax deductible because a portion of the ticket sales goes to the Children's Miracle Network.

http://www.markgoines.com/

Bobby Burgess · Post by **Bobby Burgess** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:27 pm

There's nothing on that site about a boat! The site is selling DSL internet service. You must have posted the wrong url or your not telling the truth. Come clean fred!!

Tin Can · Post by **Tin Can** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:57 pm

Anyone know the legalities of this? I realize this particular auction is not in Ca. but I'd think a lot of guys would be doing this to off boats that aren't selling right now if it was this easy.

Bobby Burgess · Post by **Bobby Burgess** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:18 pm

you have to type in the entire url which is www.markgoines.com and not just markgoines.com like I did to get the right site. Is this legal? That's a good question--does anybody know?

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:24 pm

It is a sweepstakes, which presumably means for every $20 donation you receive one chance to win a prize. There are usually risks associated with this type of giveaway, as there needs to be enough entries to make it worthwhile to offer up the prize(s). There are a number of these that have been conducted here in California over the last few years, with the grand prize being a home. Pretty good deal, if you're the winner.

From all appearances, this is partially a charity event with a portion of the proceeds going to the Children's Miracle Network. Can't tell what portion, but if it is deemed a charitable event then it may qualify as a tax-deductable donation (you should check with your tax advisor to be certain).

If you're feeling lucky, enter the drawing. If not, then don't. Mark is a legitimate personality in the bass world, so all indications are that this is a legitimate offer. Tony is aware and made the call, based on the fact that it is supposed to benefit a charitable organization.

Best of luck to any who enter.
Roger

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:25 pm

And for those having trouble getting to the page, here is a link directly to it:

http://www.markgoines.com/giveaway.html

Roger

Mark Goines · Post by **Mark Goines** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:49 pm

Maby the reason knowone else has done this could be because they dont have nuts . this is legal and the drawing will be done on land owned by the Choctaw nation of Oklahoma i am trible memmber and i hav their support . the bottom line is if do not sell enough tickets to cover the cost of the boat and additional prizes i loose and the money will come out of my pocket . so im asking for your help . sorry for the confusin on the web address and please overlook my spelling i flunked it in school because i was fishin

www.markgoines.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQxTP-EsfLw

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:31 pm

Just off the phone with Mark Goines and it all sounds completely legitimate. $20 gets ya a shot at that boat. Dec 19 is when the boat will be awarded and it'll all stream live on the internet so even if you're out here on the West Coast you'll be able to see how it all unfolds.

Sounds like fun and for a good cause as well!

sTony

whazup · Post by **whazup** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:23 pm

Anyone know the tax implications of such an event. You are technically "buying" the boat for $20.00, but you are also "winning" the boat. So is it taxed as income?

Mark Goines · Post by **Mark Goines** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:38 pm

the boat and motor has not been titled so whom ever wins will be the orgional owner and will pay taxes . i would say whome ever wins this boat their will be someone that will make a cash offer and the winner would never have to hook on to it my dealer will be present at the drawing with his cheek book

Bobby Burgess · Post by **Bobby Burgess** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:13 pm

Hey Mark, I'm Creek and Seminole Indian myself can you PM me on any info on how to get my Trible Card? My Dad has been jerked around my the US Government for 30 years and they keep making it harder for us to get all the paperwork completed properly because they bury it in the ancestry library in Fort Worth Texas.
My email is bobby.burgess47@yahoo.com. Thanks

Grape Ape · Post by **Grape Ape** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:45 am

You guys are killing me! For $20? Where do I get mine? I'll take my chances at a new boat and guess what.....if I win....I could careless about weather I have to pay taxes on it or not! Just let me win...then I'll worry about it! LOL

Top'r · Post by **Top'r** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:18 pm

Mark,,, You have a PM.........Clay

whazup · Post by **whazup** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:10 pm

Grape Ape wrote:You guys are killing me! For $20? Where do I get mine? I'll take my chances at a new boat and guess what.....if I win....I could careless about weather I have to pay taxes on it or not! Just let me win...then I'll worry about it! LOL

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A 60K spike in income could have significant tax implications for the unprepared. I want to win that boat as much as the next guy, but I don't enjoy surprises at tax time. To each his own......

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:51 pm

$20 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm If it only had a black motor....

Jason C. · Post by **Jason C.** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:13 pm

Here is a question about the tax thing. Im noly 20 so I dont know exactly how it all works. But if you buy the ticket and WIN the boat for 20$ isnt it then only VALUED at 20$ so even a 50% tax rate would be 10$? If so then the income tax problem really wouldnt be a problem.

Grape Ape · Post by **Grape Ape** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:12 am

LOL, I like your thinking Jason! I'm pretty sure the IRS would disagree with you though. Taxes on a "prize" is much higher than "normal". But, like I previously stated....let me win the boat....I'll cross those bridges later! No matter what the taxes are....I'm still ahead. I've already got my tickets.

Micropterus salmoides · Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:14 pm

Would you pay taxes based on CA law or Arkansas law? Also would you pay taxes on the Fair Market Value (FMV) or the Approximate Retail Value (ARV) of $60,000 listed by the sponsor?

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:52 am

If you win a boat and motor based on a $20 investment I'd think you'd be WAY ahead of the ballgame to handle whatever tax considerations might come up. We are talking about a Z520 and motor aren't we? It would depend on whether the winner actually keeps the boat and motor and if that winner sells it he'd likely be paying taxes on what he sold the combo for which means the transaction basically pays for itself. If the winner keeps the boat then they'll be getting a boat and motor for $20 plus the taxes which can't amount to much more then 4 or 5 grand. I don't know of anywhere on the planet you could pick up that boat for less then $8k.

It's a pretty good value no matter how you look at it to my mind.

sTony

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:17 am

I think on a contest or lottery the government will demand taxes paid on the retail value of a new boat since it has not been registered to an owner. That could be a sizeable chunk of change. Remember when Oprah gave the audience a new car and people freaked out when they realized the tax burden?

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:44 am

Micropterus salmoides wrote:Would you pay taxes based on CA law or Arkansas law? Also would you pay taxes on the Fair Market Value (FMV) or the Approximate Retail Value (ARV) of $60,000 listed by the sponsor?

Assume that whoever the winner is would be paying taxes for it in the state they register the boat in which is likely the where ever they live.

I still think paying the taxes plus $20 is a pretty good deal for a quality boat and motor. Just my opinion and lord knows I can be and am often wrong, hahaha.

sTony

Obi-Hub · Post by **Obi-Hub** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:54 am

The catch to this is...

Do you "win" the boat? Which would make it income (gaming and prizes) like winning at a slot machine in a casino. Last time I won achunk of money at a casino in CA the taxes were 39% (if my feeble brain remembers correctly)

or did you purchase it for $20? Then you would only be liable for Sales Tax (must be paid before you can register the boat and the fine for using a non-registered watercraft in CA is pricey) and Property Tax. I don't think CA would let you use $20 for the purchase price and would probably want Sales Tax on the MSRP.

sTony is right if you only have to pay Sales Tax and Property Tax, this is win situation-the price of the ticket(s) and few thousand dollars in taxes for a $50+ boat. If however you have to report the MSRP as winnings (income)...hold on to your wallet.

Obi

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:00 am

No one here is likely to be able to accurately tell you what the deal would be if you won. If I won the boat I'm pretty sure I'd turn around and sell the boat at a super deal to some other lucky person and walk with a fair amount of cash regardless.

Seems like a no brainer to me. $20 would likely either give you a super great deal on a great boat or put a some cash, still likely 4 or 5 figures, in your pocket after a sale. I still don't see how you lose on this deal, it's a matter of how much you'll eventually bank any way you look at it.

sTony

Hitman · Post by **Hitman** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:30 am

Hoping Xmas will come early for me on the 19th!

Just donated my $20 for a worthy cause.

Hitman

Mark Goines · Post by **Mark Goines** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:32 pm

Hey you western boys are alright . the way the online sales are coming in . the winner could be a member of WESTERN BASS. if all the members on here would ban together on this we could blow this out and show everyone that Fishermen do care!

Mark

texas john · Post by **texas john** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:00 am

Just got mine, chance to win a boat and help out a good cause that helps kids, this was a no brainer. If you dont already think about helping out those less fortunate than yourself. We all talk about it this time of year but we should try to do it year round if we can.

Go to your local malls and bring a toy for the toys for tots program the Marine Corps does every year. Does not have to be much, just something.

Guyle · Post by **Guyle** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:07 am

Gee I hope I loose so I don't have to pay any fees.

ash · Post by **ash** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:20 am

Hey Nutcases,

Mark Goines posted this on another website www.thebassholes.com I felt that it was in everyones benefit who has participated in this raffle to read the post:

Attention all members
Â« on: November 30, 2008, 11:54:07 AM Â»
Reply with quoteQuote
i would like to thank all of you for your support reguarding this deal with Joseph . it apears that he has taken down all of his web sites and i guess he is on the run . i regret ever getting involved with the guy .he has basicly left me holding the bag . at this point i have no choice but to follow through with the boat give give away on DEC 19 . I am up to about 1000 tickets . i have a lot of friends that i have sent tickets to that are helping me sell . in order for me to clear what the boat cost i have to sell 2.200 not counting the 750.00 worth of gift cards and 15 200.00 berkly prize packs . i know all of you have got my back on this . i do not know if i can pull this this off but im Dam shure going to do my best . so im asking for all my friends to ban together and work with me on this to help spred the word .

Mark Goines

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:47 am

This deal has been going for a couple of years now and Joseph sounds like a Nigerian scam artist. You sold $20000 worth of tickets for a 2006 boat and now you want another $24000 to break even? Good luck but I doubt anyone following this mess from the BBC and other sites will jump up to "have your back". Good luck.

whazup · Post by **whazup** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:21 pm

Don't know who "Joseph" is, but kinda sounds like this is a scam. Hope I am wrong................

hunterdave · Post by **hunterdave** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:46 pm

Hey all. Long time no see. Just wanted to pop in and say that I just got off the phone with Mark Goines and we were talking about this "Joseph" thing. Unfortunately, bad people do bad things to good people, and Mark is good people and one hell of an angler. I also had unfortunate dealings with Joseph, but nothing like what happened to Mark. Joseph fooled a lot of people. The bottom line is that Mark and myeslf are NO LONGER associated with Joseph Trousdale or his "websites" (Which by the way no longer exist) and Mark is planning on persuing criminal charges. Anyway, the raffle is real and the boat is real. I wish all of you ticket holders the best of luck and those of you who are thinking about or have not bought a ticket yet, better hurry, time's running out!

Dave

PS - Mike, if you buy a ticket and win the boat, PM me. I can help you out with the "black motor"

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:14 am

I read on another site that you guys started this thing over raising money for a pizza delivery guy who was killed and the family needed money. Later it became an Angler's Resource gig for Children's Miracle Network with the same boat. The original deal was a store sweepstakes then it became a straight boat raffle. You may think the Joseph deal is over but Mark helped him to sell 700 tickets to fisherman and those tickets and information are gone so that is $14000 from guys who have no chance to win a boat. This deal took advantage of good hearted fishermen all over the country and is shameful.

BassTackleDepot · Post by **BassTackleDepot** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:47 pm

THIS MAY HELP CLEAR THINGS UP, FOUND THIS ON ANOTHER SITE....

Well guys I spoke with Mark Goines today for about 30 mins about this raffle for the boat. This is what happened and this is what is being done. Joseph at Anglers Resource started the contest without a real boat to give away, he had hoped (I think) to raise enough funds to purchase the boat. Anyhow after he realized he wasn't going to make he called Mark asking him to take over the giveaway. Mark agreed and well now comes the good part. He sent mark all the names of the individuals who purchased tickets about 400 at $20.00. So after receiving the info Mark asked for the money that came from those entries and well letâ€™s just say he didn't get it. Joseph seems to be on the run with about $14,000 in entries. Of course this happens after Mark has sworn his name/reputation to this giveaway. So after talking with him he said he was going to honor all those who had paid prior to him taking over. He also said the boat being given away is his and he guaranteesâ€™ it will all be done by the contest date. Guys he has long up standing reputation in the fishing industry so I doubt very much he will not follow through.

So please I know times are tough but he has about 1000 entries left to sell, Just for him to break even. We all know how much his boat costs plus all the other bonus prizes being given out. So please I know it Christmas time but if you can afford it please enter the raffle the worst thing that could happen is you could win a boat. $20.00 an entry isn't bad and well I think guys like him are hard to find and well worth an investment. By the way after hearing this story I bought 5 more tickets and no I am not made of money in fact I am SSgt in Air Force. For those of you that have served Thank You and you know how much I don't make.

Mark Goines · Post by **Mark Goines** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:45 am

OK , Here is what I have decided to do.
I have a list of the people that bought tickets from Angler's Resource and even though I do not have the moneys for the tickets that Angler's Resource sold I am still going to make good on all of those tickets.So if you bought tickets from Angler's Resources you will still be in the drawing and have not lost your money.Good Luck the drawing is Dec. 19th. AS far as Angler's Resources goes,He is going have his day in court.

Thanks for your help
Mark Goines

Top'r · Post by **Top'r** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:17 pm

I just got off the phone from speaking with Mark in great detail. He answered each and every question that I had in reguards to raffle, the boat, & the prizes, & to that worthless scumbag that burned him for $14,000.
Completely satisified, I also just purchased my tickets for the raffle.
Let me say this. Mark is honest & truthfull man, that was CON'D out of alot of money. To still honor those tickets that were sold, & not recieve the money for those tickets, I think says VOLUMES about his character. There have been NO changes, & the raffle will be on December 19th. Mark also told me that the raffle will be filmed & posted on U-TUBE, his website, and numerous others.
Nothing would make me a better Christmas present than to win a 2008 Ranger Z520. Now I hope no one else buys a ticket to increse my chances,,, LOL J/K ...Clay Sutterfield

Grape Ape · Post by **Grape Ape** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:53 pm

Just grabbed another ticket. Just trying to help Mark out.

Stratos278 · Post by **Stratos278** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:21 pm

I messed up and deleted the e-mail you sent me with the ticket on it.

PM has my email to re-send

Grape Ape · Post by **Grape Ape** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:33 pm

That's ok Stratos.....you won't need it anyway! That boat is mine! LOL

Stratos278 · Post by **Stratos278** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:08 pm

Grape Ape wrote:That's ok Stratos.....you won't need it anyway! That boat is mine! LOL

Mark, got your e-mail with the ticket...thanks

Harry, the paint on that boat is almost a perfect match for my truck...that boat is MINE!!

I'll be there shortly after Christmas to pick it up LOL

Jerkbait · Post by **Jerkbait** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:35 pm

Only 2 More Days to get Tickets! Mark will be Streaming LIVE Video from Poteau, OK. LIVE Feed will start in the morning and will continue until after the last winner is drawn. Drawing Starts at 6PM CST - The Mayor of Poteau is drawing the winners. Tickets can be purchased up until 5:30PM CST (12-19-2008) from: http://www.markgoines.com/giveaway.html thru the PayPal Donate Button at Bottom of Page. He is going to fill out the tickets LIVE and show them to the world for the last minute buyers. Mark told me to tell everyone to tune in as he will have some special incentives for last minute purchases! Watch the drawing LIVE at http://www.markgoines.com

littlebailey · Post by **littlebailey** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:46 pm

got mine. Even if it is a scam.... think of the carma that comes your way just for the thought of doing it. I hope i win, i need a bigger boat!

MikeD · Post by **MikeD** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:29 pm

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:16 pm
Post subject: AND THE WINNER IS
Bryan from Katy, Texas Won the Boat. As soon as we can, we will post the winners list and video of the drawing.

http://markgoines.informe.com/and-the-w ... dt179.html