Ok maybe Im getting old. BUT

[Phil Burgess]

break out the columbian BAM BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA OR A BLACK ONE WITH A WHITE BELLY AND CALL IT THE 8 BALL!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA

[snapitoff2002]

Seriously.... are you going to tell people you smoked em' on the chronic out there today? lol

[Robert F]

I mean I want my 3 daughters to be treated with respect and dignity and could care less if their significant others "Burn One Down" (as Ben Harpre says) as long as they are healthy, happy, and treated well.

Illegal drugs are not "healthy". That is why they are illegal. Most illegal drug users commit crimes to get the money for their drugs. Either that or they compromise their family to get them or during their use. I do not see how your daughter's family will be "treated well" by a husband that chooses to partake in illegal drug use.

I do not see how a "pet name" for a body part is even comparable or worse than a drug reference. If you think trivializing drug references is OK that is your choice. It is definitely not mine or something I want around my family. I can assure you Snag Proof will find out the sorry fact when they try to place these in Bible belt tackle stores. Try to find some 420 Flirts in the South. They will also see their product name censored in print.

[fish_food]

As someone who has known Ish and traveled with him for all of my adult life-I have NEVER seen him indulge in drugs, drug culture, or anything else that might be considered illegal.

If that's the case, his choosing to use pot references (ie, "chronic" and "purple kush") when he doesn't actually partake in its recreational use comes across as being very fake. It's like he's trying to give a knowing wink or nod to those who do indulge--but the attempt falls flat since it turns out he's not really one of "them." Trying too hard to be cool...

[Guy Kelley]

[quote="g-man"]Maybe competitive bass fishing orgs should start random drug tests?

I personally don't GAF what they are called. If they work I'll use them, if they don't I won't. A name of a product will not make me buy them, or not buy them. Theres way more important things to worry about then what a frog lure for fishing is called. IMO[/quote]

FINALLY.....AN ANSWER FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS ABOUT AS MUCH SENSITIVITY AS A WHALE IN A BATHTUB

THANKS G-MAN FOR GOING TO THE HEART OF IT IN MY OPINION

SO MUCH FOR EVERYONE'S MORALISTIC ATTITUDES CAT CRAP !

IF EVERYONE IS SO BUT OFF A BOUGHT A NAME, JUST HAND THE SWEET BEAVERS TOO ME !

[Phil Burgess]

how about a red/orange with a little pink and call it the

TITTY TWISTER

[Chaozu]

I personally feel there's a difference between drugs and weed. I consider alcohol 10 times worse than weed. The effects are far more intense and controlling. I think the names are kinda lame, but like most people said, it wont make me or stop me from buying. I'm a father and want my daughter to love fishing as much as I do. They could have gone a different route but they got what they were looking for, attention. I'm not worried about my daughter seeing the names and thinking smoking is cool because of it, she already knows better. Do your job as a parent and it shouldn't be a problem. She too will think it's lame, even though she may be throwing one and sticking hogs!

[Robert F]

SO MUCH FOR EVERYONE'S MORALISTIC ATTITUDES CAT CRAP !

What do you think of this ladies morals? Something to joke about or make light of in promoting a fishing lure? Wonder if the frog bite was on for the husband?

NY police: Wrong-way crash driver was drunk, high By FRANK ELTMAN, AP
GARDEN CITY, N.Y. -A mother drank vodka and smoked marijuana while taking a vanload of children home from a weekend camping trip that ended in disaster when she went the wrong way on a highway and crashed into an SUV, killing eight people, police said Tuesday.
Diane Schuler, who died along with her 2-year-old daughter and three nieces in her red minivan, had more than 10 drinks of alcohol in her system and a high level of the main ingredient in marijuana, authorities said. A broken 1.75-liter bottle of Absolut vodka was found in her wrecked minivan, police said.
The revelations from the 36-year-old Long Island woman's autopsy helped explain how the woman her family called "an accomplished working mother who always put her children before any other priorities" wound up driving the wrong way for nearly two miles on a suburban parkway before slamming into the SUV.
The July 26 crash on the Taconic State Parkway, about 35 miles northwest of New York City, also killed three men in the SUV. Schuler's 5-year-old son, in her minivan, survived.
Investigators said Schuler had been driving erratically on other upstate roads before getting on the highway for the 140-mile trip home.
Schuler's blood-alcohol level was well above the legal limit, and she still had undigested alcohol in her stomach, State Police Maj. William Carey said Tuesday.
Blood tests also showed she had smoked marijuana 15 minutes to an hour before the crash, said Betsy Spratt, chief toxicologist for the Westchester County medical examiner.
"With that level of alcohol ... she would have had difficulty with perception, with her judgment, with her memory," Spratt said. "You start to get what we call tunnel vision."
Police said no criminal charges were planned in the case.
Roseann Guzzo, whose father and brother were killed in the SUV, said Tuesday her family wanted to meet with prosecutors to discuss the case.
"We're outraged by it," she said. "It's a choice she made. And that choice she made to us is like she committed murder."
State police have been investigating why Schuler, who was a regular upstate campground visitor, would have been driving toward her home the wrong way on a highway she had driven many times before.
Toxicology reports found the businesswoman's blood-alcohol level was 0.19, more than twice the state's legal limit of 0.08, Carey said. She also had 6 grams of undigested alcohol in her stomach, Carey said.
Schuler's husband, Daniel, told investigators that everything seemed fine when he and his wife left the Sullivan County campground at about 9:30 a.m. on the morning of the crash. He went on a fishing trip while his wife headed home with the children, stopping at a McDonald's on the way, police said.
Her brother, the father of the three girls who died, said she called him about a half-hour before the wreck sounding disoriented and saying she didn't feel well. Schuler's 8-year-old niece also spoke briefly with her father from the highway. The woman's cell phone was later found abandoned at a rest stop.
Witnesses said they saw Schuler's minivan straddling two lanes and tailgating, with its headlights flashing and horn beeping.
Others saw the vehicle veering from one lane to another, and one witness said it appeared as if she was attempting to pass him on the shoulder of the highway. Another witness said the van drove across a grass divider at a service area.
Six drivers called 911 before the collision, which happened after Schuler drove 1.7 miles south in the parkway's northbound lane.
An attorney who served as a family spokesman at funerals last week did not immediately return a telephone message left by The Associated Press on Tuesday.
Floral Park village police blocked access to the home of Schuler's brother and said no one was there to comment. There was no answer when a reporter knocked on the door of the Schuler family home in West Babylon.
Neither Schuler's husband nor extended family has spoken with reporters about the crash. The families issued a statement last week calling Schuler "a devoted mother to her children, Bryan and Erin."
"She was a constant, doting presence in her nieces' lives, and our extended family admired her competence, ease with children and sense of humor," it said. "Never has there been a more responsible and trusted friend or caregiver."

[fish_food]

I consider alcohol 10 times worse than weed.

Got that covered too--see Heddon's "Big Bud" lure.

The name "Big Bud" would work for Ish's pseudo stoner marketing but I think the name is still in use by the PRADCO group.

[g-man]

Robert, I know of the story, and it is very sad that the lady made the wrong choice by getting wasted, and killing all those people. But not all people that smoke weed are fools about it. I have friends that do, and live responsible lives. Many people including myself drink but don't drive, or make a fool out of their/ myself.

The story you posted is the extreme, not the norm of weed or alcohol use. More people get abused, killed, etc, etc because of alcohol not weed. Show me a statistic that proves me wrong, and i will bow out! I do understand where you are coming from though, and respect your opinion. Whens the last time you heard of a guy getting high, and beating their spouse? I never have, and alcohol is legal...

[Robert F]

G-man,

I agree that alcohol is more prevalent in crime statistics but it is legal to possess in any amount. Weed is not. That would certainly make a difference in the amount of users. I too drink in moderation. Never on the boat and it is specifically banned in tournaments. I just do not see it's place in selling a product or promoting the sport of bass fishing. Certainly not something to joke about as well. Irresponsible.

[aNNieNsaLTIE]

I am with andy! When I watched the video and he named the colors of the frogs............... I hate the names. I'll be sticking to the perfects.

Ish can keep it!

Steven

[outdoorsman]

Well.. Im 16, no i dont do drugs or any of that crap, but maybe the fish will be hooked on these like people are hooked on drugs
I will say its not good for snagproof to have pot as one of their colors

[aNNieNsaLTIE]

I am a father and I bet some of you others are to........

So your 12 year old kid comes home. He looks tired and his eyes are all puffy and red. It looked like he was sleeping in a stack of hay all day in the fields.

So you ask him, "what is wrong with you?" ........... His response, I smoked a joint of purple kush then got buck nasty with...

Yea so what if weed is now legal! I can only imagine how hard it would be to convince our children drugs are no good. I know I though my pops didn't know what the hell he was saying to me when I was growing up!

I refuse to follow any fad and will not let me child! We will be leaders!




STeven

[CN]

Funny thread,I think the best statement was "All this over a plastic frog"

Yes we are getting old and yes it suck's. Did Ish Monroe have a say in naming these bait's? Might want to know little fact's like that I bet he had little to do with it.

Mike

[big_limits]

Double standard????
The white one is called "Da Man" (the man). If someone called their black bait Uncle Mose or Picaninny they would be bashed to no end and called racist. Is it just me that has a problem with this????

[ash]

Double standard????
The white one is called "Da Man" (the man). If someone called their black bait Uncle Mose or Picaninny they would be bashed to no end and called racist. Is it just me that has a problem with this????

I think its just you on this one BAAA HAAA da man is funny -

[fish_food]

If someone called their black bait Uncle Mose or Picaninny they would be bashed to no end and called racist. Is it just me that has a problem with this????

Actually, using black stereotypes and racist imagery in advertising was the NORM not too long ago and didn't even raise an eyebrow. The word "Picaninny" has already been used in MANY products and brand names. Black Americana is now very collectible...

[CN]

Double standard????
The white one is called "Da Man" (the man). If someone called their black bait Uncle Mose or Picaninny they would be bashed to no end and called racist. Is it just me that has a problem with this????

Just a little advise might want to re-read your post's before you send them.

Mike Nance

[big_limits]

The word "Picaninny" has already been used in MANY products and brand names. Black Americana is now very collectible...

This was my point exactly thats way I chose the names for my example. Just because they are piece of history, and collectable, doesn't make the fact that it was going on right. They were racist and came from a time where there was much hate just because of one's skin color. Now it's ok again or just ok cuz it's payback?...

[big_limits]

Double standard????
The white one is called "Da Man" (the man). If someone called their black bait Uncle Mose or Picaninny they would be bashed to no end and called racist. Is it just me that has a problem with this????

Just a little advise might want to re-read your post's before you send them.

Mike Nance

Mike I do not know you and obviously you don't know me. I firmly beleive ALL men are created equal and should be held to the SAME standard. I took your "advise", re-read it, and would post it again. I said nothing wrong nor was anything intended offensive. If you took it offensive then it's a personal issue that you need to work out with yourself.

[fish_food]

The word "Picaninny" has already been used in MANY products and brand names. Black Americana is now very collectible...

This was my point exactly thats way I chose the names for my example. Just because they are piece of history, and collectable, doesn't make the fact that it was going on right. They were racist and came from a time where there was much hate just because of one's skin color. Now it's ok again or just ok cuz it's payback?...

No, it's not the same and it's not "payback." When it's being thrown back (as in the case of his "Da Man" frog), it's actually coming from a knowing, ironic context. It's all in the context.

[Brian]

I consider myself "Hip" but these are very bad taste IMO. I think Connie needs to look up a few definitions and see if she still wants to put these out.

+1 Mike, I agree 100%. The names are assinine. But you have to consider the source and who is naming them. Just look at some of the publicity he has had in the last 6 months and some of the stunts he has pulled. It all makes perfect sense.

[big_limits]

I just think it is sad that there is a defense for any derogatory reference to color. I thought we as a society were trying to do away with that stuff.... thats all

[Brian]

Ha Ha, you can sure tell who the pot head fisherman are just by reading all these responces...........LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brian]

they should name the white one

KEY BUMP SPEICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OR JUST CRAKER

[Robert F]

I consider myself "Hip" but these are very bad taste IMO. I think Connie needs to look up a few definitions and see if she still wants to put these out.

+1 Mike, I agree 100%. The names are assinine. But you have to consider the source and who is naming them. Just look at some of the publicity he has had in the last 6 months and some of the stunts he has pulled. It all makes perfect sense.

+2 Public and non-public

[ninong]

dont forget about this guy!http://reactioninnovations.com/box/

[Brian]

dont forget about this guy!http://reactioninnovations.com/box/

What is wrong with those?

[Brian]

Double standard????
The white one is called "Da Man" (the man). If someone called their black bait Uncle Mose or Picaninny they would be bashed to no end and called racist. Is it just me that has a problem with this????

I think its just you on this one BAAA HAAA da man is funny -

Really? It's funny? So If a white guy made a pink one and called the color watermelon patch, would that be funny too? I DONT THINK SO.

I have fished almost every snag proof and I refuse to fish another one untill the names of the color's on these frogs are changed. PERIOD

[Robert F]

dont forget about this guy!http://reactioninnovations.com/box/

Those products have paid a heavy price for many of those names.

[Chaozu]

OR JUST CRACKER

Hahahahahahaha

dont forget about this guy!http://reactioninnovations.com/box/

What's a squeaky dolphin?

[Phil Burgess]

ha ha ha ha lmao a squeeky dolphin1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
!!!!!!!!!!!!

WELL HERE IT GOES HA HA HA LOL FIRST YOU TAKE HA HA HA LOL

I CANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA

[smoothmel]

I'M STICKING WITH SPRO SO I DON'T HAVE TO WORRIED ABOUT THE NAME THING THEY WORK VERY WELL NO NEED TO CHANGE........

[ash]

Here is a picture of a squeaky dolphin...... http://www.scottspillowpets.com/large-dolphinnew.html

[offduty]

I was told at the fire academy that we could not refer to that huge white writing pad on the easel at the front of the class as a flip chart. They said it was disrespectful to the Filipino culture. I had never heard of that before, I mean the word flip come on.

There can be quite a double standard when it comes to this kind of stuff. some African Americans use the N word quite a bit. When I worked with all white guys we referred to ourselves as the cracker crew, though I thought the term was derived from the pasty color of a saltine and did not know the true origin of that term.

We all have our idiosyncratic sensitivities and sometimes at work we get a little crude for humors sake, some times we see things we would rather forget and humor seems to help a bit. When we are working with the public that all changes as it is not professional. How we act in public and how we act with close friends are two different styles and you just should clean it up when the kids and general public are around or you are putting it in print on the package and selling it at the tackle shop.

It really surprises me that this is the image that this company wants to put out there and the bait looks pretty sweet. I don't think a company that well established in the frog industry needed to try that as a marketing strategy, if that is what it is. I think those baits would sell fantastic without those questionable names. Who knows maybe they thought it was humorous and did not consider the moral issue.

[fish_food]

It really surprises me that this is the image that this company wants to put out there and the bait looks pretty sweet. I don't think a company that well established in the frog industry needed to try that as a marketing strategy, if that is what it is. I think those baits would sell fantastic without those questionable names. Who knows maybe they thought it was humorous and did not consider the moral issue.

Maybe the people running Snag Proof are older, socially conservative types--the pot references most likely went over their heads.

"What??!?! Ishama smokes marijuana cigarettes? That stuff turns perfectly nice boys into lustful maniacs--I saw it on the teevee!!!"

[bassindon69]

Bass fishing was cheesy enough as it is but the sex and drug names on baits for KIDS too?? Please.................... Why dont you just get bobbers that look like tits for the little boy and girl too.

ITS FISHING!! WHAT THE HELL IS EVERYONE DOING??

I QUIT!

GOD SAVE US ALL.

[some guy]

It's amazing a thread about a frog and what it is named gets more hits than a thread about water/lake closures. Come on now guys.

[Kiss my Bass]

Bass fishing was cheesy enough as it is but the sex and drug names on baits for KIDS too?? Please.................... Why dont you just get bobbers that look like tits for the little boy and girl too.

ITS FISHING!! WHAT THE HELL IS EVERYONE DOING??

I QUIT!

GOD SAVE US ALL.

ROTFLMFAO!!! So true!

[WishinIwerFishin]

I love reading all of this whining about some names on a frog package. Viva la prop 215

[Delta is beast]

SO MUCH FOR EVERYONE'S MORALISTIC ATTITUDES CAT CRAP !

What do you think of this ladies morals? Something to joke about or make light of in promoting a fishing lure? Wonder if the frog bite was on for the husband?

NY police: Wrong-way crash driver was drunk, high By FRANK ELTMAN, AP
GARDEN CITY, N.Y. -A mother drank vodka and smoked marijuana while taking a vanload of children home from a weekend camping trip that ended in disaster when she went the wrong way on a highway and crashed into an SUV, killing eight people, police said Tuesday.
Diane Schuler, who died along with her 2-year-old daughter and three nieces in her red minivan, had more than 10 drinks of alcohol in her system and a high level of the main ingredient in marijuana, authorities said. A broken 1.75-liter bottle of Absolut vodka was found in her wrecked minivan, police said.
The revelations from the 36-year-old Long Island woman's autopsy helped explain how the woman her family called "an accomplished working mother who always put her children before any other priorities" wound up driving the wrong way for nearly two miles on a suburban parkway before slamming into the SUV.
The July 26 crash on the Taconic State Parkway, about 35 miles northwest of New York City, also killed three men in the SUV. Schuler's 5-year-old son, in her minivan, survived.
Investigators said Schuler had been driving erratically on other upstate roads before getting on the highway for the 140-mile trip home.
Schuler's blood-alcohol level was well above the legal limit, and she still had undigested alcohol in her stomach, State Police Maj. William Carey said Tuesday.
Blood tests also showed she had smoked marijuana 15 minutes to an hour before the crash, said Betsy Spratt, chief toxicologist for the Westchester County medical examiner.
"With that level of alcohol ... she would have had difficulty with perception, with her judgment, with her memory," Spratt said. "You start to get what we call tunnel vision."
Police said no criminal charges were planned in the case.
Roseann Guzzo, whose father and brother were killed in the SUV, said Tuesday her family wanted to meet with prosecutors to discuss the case.
"We're outraged by it," she said. "It's a choice she made. And that choice she made to us is like she committed murder."
State police have been investigating why Schuler, who was a regular upstate campground visitor, would have been driving toward her home the wrong way on a highway she had driven many times before.
Toxicology reports found the businesswoman's blood-alcohol level was 0.19, more than twice the state's legal limit of 0.08, Carey said. She also had 6 grams of undigested alcohol in her stomach, Carey said.
Schuler's husband, Daniel, told investigators that everything seemed fine when he and his wife left the Sullivan County campground at about 9:30 a.m. on the morning of the crash. He went on a fishing trip while his wife headed home with the children, stopping at a McDonald's on the way, police said.
Her brother, the father of the three girls who died, said she called him about a half-hour before the wreck sounding disoriented and saying she didn't feel well. Schuler's 8-year-old niece also spoke briefly with her father from the highway. The woman's cell phone was later found abandoned at a rest stop.
Witnesses said they saw Schuler's minivan straddling two lanes and tailgating, with its headlights flashing and horn beeping.
Others saw the vehicle veering from one lane to another, and one witness said it appeared as if she was attempting to pass him on the shoulder of the highway. Another witness said the van drove across a grass divider at a service area.
Six drivers called 911 before the collision, which happened after Schuler drove 1.7 miles south in the parkway's northbound lane.
An attorney who served as a family spokesman at funerals last week did not immediately return a telephone message left by The Associated Press on Tuesday.
Floral Park village police blocked access to the home of Schuler's brother and said no one was there to comment. There was no answer when a reporter knocked on the door of the Schuler family home in West Babylon.
Neither Schuler's husband nor extended family has spoken with reporters about the crash. The families issued a statement last week calling Schuler "a devoted mother to her children, Bryan and Erin."
"She was a constant, doting presence in her nieces' lives, and our extended family admired her competence, ease with children and sense of humor," it said. "Never has there been a more responsible and trusted friend or caregiver."

notice every single one has alcohol with it. but i think the names are pretty dumb especially the phat part. purple kush and chronic are pretty dumb too. ill still buy them because i dont really think this will influence kids to smoke

[davet.]

I've been around, did all that crap in the 70's. Wasted a lot of time and opportunities.
I don't believe that these drug related product names in a wholesome sport such as fishing is appropriate. It does send a message that smoking pot not that bad. It's not as bad as drinking, but it will inhibit your capabilities and potential and that's bad for all.
And no, I don't drink at all, not one drop, because I think it's the worst poison to hit society ever.
And while were at it, how bout a brown frog with yellow spots and call it the "Corn Poopy"?

[NickTheLittleStick]

I believe the color name "Da Man" has nothing to do with the old 70's term of a higher power holding someone down. If you listen to Ish explain that color, he says its a must have color for big fish, thus it "Da Man". Its like when your buddy goes home with 2 hot chicks in 1 night, you say "you see so and so last night, wow he is DA MAN."

[CN]

Double standard????
The white one is called "Da Man" (the man). If someone called their black bait Uncle Mose or Picaninny they would be bashed to no end and called racist. Is it just me that has a problem with this????

Just a little advise might want to re-read your post's before you send them.

Mike Nance

Mike I do not know you and obviously you don't know me. I firmly beleive ALL men are created equal and should be held to the SAME standard. I took your "advise", re-read it, and would post it again. I said nothing wrong nor was anything intended offensive. If you took it offensive then it's a personal issue that you need to work out with yourself.

Point taken and perhap's I read more into it than I should have.

[JustinD]

*NM*

[basswipe]

haha reaction innovations has a color called "spawn sack"

[Terry Smith]

WHOOMP!!! WHOOOMP!!! Red leader to Yellow leader WHOOMP WHOOOMP!!!!

[mac (Doyle McEwen)]

How about Skeets color called "crack"..You can say or believe what you care to, the names of colors probably won't influence many if any kids to try the drugs referenced..Their peers will take care of that part of the deal..The reason most try drugs is peer pressure..Is it appropriate to name colors of baits after slang drug terms or slang sex terms..I don't think it is..I don't buy a bait because of the name of the color, I buy it because of how the color appears..Maybe every manufacturer should follow the lead of Gary Yamamoto and have numbers for their color code..

I don't really care for that either, because I can't remember numbers for crap..I love it when someone says I was using a 121 Senko..Great, but what color is it..

The current trend in naming colors for baits goes a long way in proving my point that the color of a bait is primarily for the benefit of the fisherman..I don't think the fish really care..

mac

[Vince E]

Refer Madness and the similar propaganda campaigns of the time were largely the doing of William Randolf Hearst. He wanted hemp made illegal so it couldn't be a competitive material for many of the products timber produces, which he owned a lot of.

(Edit: I guess I should have quoted you before you changed your post.)

Just another example of what greedy men will do to make their products the ones people buy.


I don't care what anybody does in the privacy of their own homes or just out of the public eye as long as they aren't hurting others. By publicly endorsing an acceptance of things that should be kept private they contribute to the slippery slope of depravity that this world is on and that does hurt others.