FLW Pros fishing the WON as AAA
FLW Pros fishing the WON as AAA
Just wondering what everybody else thinks of FLW pros fishing the WON as AAA anglers to help them find water for the Everstart the next week. Not so sure this is cool for the Pro that draws him and is also fishing the FLW as a Pro.
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I think if you fish on the highest level on the west coast as a pro you shouldnt be able to enter aaa tournies period. Just my thought.
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Re: FLW Pros fishing the WON as AAA
If you have to fish as a AAA to find fish then give up, That would be as bad as fining the leader and folowing him on hte second day.
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It's been done forever, who really cares. Besides, there's no guarantee that the guy he draws will even be fishing the Everstart.eparra wrote:Just wondering what everybody else thinks of FLW pros fishing the WON as AAA anglers to help them find water for the Everstart the next week. Not so sure this is cool for the Pro that draws him and is also fishing the FLW as a Pro.
I suppose you could make a new rule though and make WON a "Future Pro"-am by restricting who can fish as what by winnings or some other criteria.
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Like Bryanmc says, who cares. I'm not sure why the focus here is FLW & WON, when infact it is a generic issue, and it seems ta only bother, or is brought up by, those who aren't directly affected. Mark Davis did it a year or so ago. He fished the FLW out here as an AAA, I believe in both the FLW events on the Delta and Clearlake, in preperation for his BASS Elite stops on these two unfamilure boddies of water the following season. I personally, don't think guys do this for the specific reason of stealing someone's water or fish, but to help them get an understanding of a fishery they may not be familure with, in preperation for an upcomming event. Club and team guys do this all the time too, yet there's no worries about them. The select few that do this, certainly aren't in my mind, doing anything wrong, as they are playing with in the guidelines of the rules.
Secondly, it does not bode well for you as a pro, to be so overly concerned about who you draw as a back seater. You're the pro, you make ALL the calls and there indeed are rules that limit how the back seater can fish out of yer boat. If you put yerself into a state of mind where they guy in the back is changing the way you're fishing, you're now setting yerself up for defeat from a mental aspect. As a pro, if you allow this type of mental affect on yer game, you'll be a donater all yer career until ya learn ta focus and block these type of mental distractions out of your tournament game plans and decissions. Mastering the mental aspects of tournament bass fishing, is a far greater piece of the formula, to becomming a succesful bass fishing Pro.
Secondly, it does not bode well for you as a pro, to be so overly concerned about who you draw as a back seater. You're the pro, you make ALL the calls and there indeed are rules that limit how the back seater can fish out of yer boat. If you put yerself into a state of mind where they guy in the back is changing the way you're fishing, you're now setting yerself up for defeat from a mental aspect. As a pro, if you allow this type of mental affect on yer game, you'll be a donater all yer career until ya learn ta focus and block these type of mental distractions out of your tournament game plans and decissions. Mastering the mental aspects of tournament bass fishing, is a far greater piece of the formula, to becomming a succesful bass fishing Pro.
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Chicken Chit. Theyre pros, figure it out.
theres a fine line between fishin and standin on a boat like an idiot
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Isn't that exactly what they are doing? Trying to figure it out? Is it any different than them hiring a guide? Or what about the guy who comes and fishes a team event with a local, guide or longtime friend who lives on the same pond? Is it wrong they git on the internet and gain information, read fishing reports, study maps, call local tackle shops and bait stores ? What about fly overs? What about the guys with networks? A group of Pros who all talk among themselves, whether they fish against each other or not. Or what about the guy who get's the latest technology or bait from a sponsor, that none of the other competitors have access to, is that too unfair? Where does it all end?barse41 wrote:Chicken Chit. Theyre pros, figure it out.
If it's not written in any rules that they can't perform specific functions, who are we to judge and say it's wrong and try to dictate what they do out there, just because they pay the entry fee to be labeled a "Pro"?
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Could care less about "Pro" fishing as an "AM". I am far more worried about the boat count....That is a much bigger issue.
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I here ya Ricky, the problem is in this sport is their are no boundaries separating pro and co. just a tilte/ name. we need some serious rule changes. I think this is the very reason they invented Unions. Players getting screwed by the business side of big events. Maybe we'll wake up one day and actually come together so the orgs have to listen. we need a lot of work in this sport. Happy tuesday! im going fishin!
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Cooch,
I see from your perspective a lot. Do I think pro's need to learn a lot on there own yes...but why shouldn't someone unfamiliar with a lake not get some knowledge? he's paying entry fees and being at the mercy of the pro where they fish. As in any pro-am derby, you could pick a TRUE pro who know's his stuff or the guy that's got the money to be a pro persay.
its all too often that the mental aspect is in everyone's heads. I for one had to check myself and got away from fishing for 3 months to clear my head and get back to the task at hand... who care's whose doing what. I am out there battling those green, brown, or spotted fish. That's what matters most.
Like so many other things in fishing...tournament guys are looked down upon for fishing live bait when fun fishing. Now a pro fishing as a CO to gain knowledge or see a lake is frowned upon. Nobody will ever be happy with anything, NO MATTER the rules.
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I see from your perspective a lot. Do I think pro's need to learn a lot on there own yes...but why shouldn't someone unfamiliar with a lake not get some knowledge? he's paying entry fees and being at the mercy of the pro where they fish. As in any pro-am derby, you could pick a TRUE pro who know's his stuff or the guy that's got the money to be a pro persay.
its all too often that the mental aspect is in everyone's heads. I for one had to check myself and got away from fishing for 3 months to clear my head and get back to the task at hand... who care's whose doing what. I am out there battling those green, brown, or spotted fish. That's what matters most.
Like so many other things in fishing...tournament guys are looked down upon for fishing live bait when fun fishing. Now a pro fishing as a CO to gain knowledge or see a lake is frowned upon. Nobody will ever be happy with anything, NO MATTER the rules.
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Its unfair to the am left on the dock. And Im sure guys like Mark Daniels, Bub, or whoever else is hot at the time do not want to have their competitors in their boat the week before the big show.
theres a fine line between fishin and standin on a boat like an idiot
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REALLY once again if it isnt in the rules then go for it?????LOL you guys amaze me........ and its the same guys bitchin about all the new rules and how they are un-inforcable. Whatever happened to integrity and self pride?? I am down with pros playin in team events with buddies, guides whatever BUT fishing as a co to get some other pro's water acouple weeks later is pretty low.
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Weeks? How about days? Of course, if the events weren't stacked on top of each other it wouldn't be an issue. When was the last time WON had a pro-am on Roosevelt anyway?longshot wrote:I am down with pros playin in team events with buddies, guides whatever BUT fishing as a co to get some other pro's water a couple weeks later is pretty low.
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FYI-WON has always had pro/ams outside of CA....Unless you don't consider Mead, Mohave, Havasu, Pleasant, and Rosy outside of CA. These lakes have always been on WONs Southern Pro/Am schedule.
As a matter of fact, a well known pro from Modesto won the last tournament that won hosted at Rosy in the 90s.
As a matter of fact, a well known pro from Modesto won the last tournament that won hosted at Rosy in the 90s.
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Personally I wouldnt jump to the conclusion that these guys were fishing as ams to see other pros water. There could be other explanations, like maybe thier boat was being worked on and or maybe waiting for a new boat or health related issues. I know one of the anglers that fished both ways has over 20 years of tournament competition and probably offered the pro some insight.
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Yeah... Looking back I guess you're right. What was I thinking? I guess Elephant Butte is on the schedule for next year huh?
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longshot wrote:REALLY once again if it isnt in the rules then go for it?????LOL you guys amaze me........ and its the same guys bitchin about all the new rules and how they are un-inforcable. Whatever happened to integrity and self pride?? I am down with pros playin in team events with buddies, guides whatever BUT fishing as a co to get some other pro's water acouple weeks later is pretty lo
But your anolagy of a Pro or Guide fishing in the Team event's is exactly why you cant and never will increase your participation.
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Re: FLW Pros fishing the WON as AAA
I'm not bothered about it as a "Pro" fishing against him in the FLW Everstart because he will be fishing a tournament while "prefishing" in the back of the boat. I'll be "prefishing" at the same time but not restricted by being in the back of a boat and also in a tournament with time restrictions. Now if I was a "Pro" fishing in both and happened to draw him I would not be happy because now the "Pro" has to show his spot's and techniques to a competitor while fishing a tournament but then again some follow people around to see the same thing so in the end it don't really matter. So to me it's a "Who cares" but can also see where someone would be pissed.
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good idea little baily 1st rule should be that people who fish for a living shouldn't be allowed to fish team tournaments or fishoffslittlebailey wrote:I here ya Ricky, the problem is in this sport is their are no boundaries separating pro and co. just a tilte/ name. we need some serious rule changes. I think this is the very reason they invented Unions. Players getting screwed by the business side of big events. Maybe we'll wake up one day and actually come together so the orgs have to listen. we need a lot of work in this sport. Happy tuesday! im going fishin!
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I guess its no big deal , things change in a few days anyway. But I guess Id be pissed if he drew me and showed up on my best stuff flw morning . In fact I would be really pissed.
smpboy... id be down for a rule that says no team tournaments or championships if you fish the TOUR or the Elite series...
but not if you fish for a living, if that were the case id just sell used CNC machines again and fish for fun in the championships and team events.
smpboy... id be down for a rule that says no team tournaments or championships if you fish the TOUR or the Elite series...
but not if you fish for a living, if that were the case id just sell used CNC machines again and fish for fun in the championships and team events.
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Re: FLW Pros fishing the WON as AAA
There has got to be some reason they do it. They could just prefish out of their own boat, which I assume they own as they are "Pro"
If it ain't to see other peoples spots, why not just prefish? seems like using your own boat and not being at the mercy of another boater would be a lot more productive.
Ah well, this is why I don't fish tournaments. Too much drama about everything. fishing is too fun to ruin with tourney fishing.
If it ain't to see other peoples spots, why not just prefish? seems like using your own boat and not being at the mercy of another boater would be a lot more productive.
Ah well, this is why I don't fish tournaments. Too much drama about everything. fishing is too fun to ruin with tourney fishing.
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What pissed me off is WON BASS changing their tournament from Feb. to the weekend before the FLW. Back to back tournaments create to much pressure for Shasta. Won Bass added nothing for the economy of Shasta County changing their dated and hurt an already tought bite. WON BASS needs to start standing on there own feet or get out of the business!!!!
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