And the winner for Won is..not the anglers

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The results for 1/21 season opener So Cal region :
1st place $1,600.00
2nd place $800.00
3rd place $600.00
4th place $200.00
5-21 place Zip ZERO NADA ZILCH
Big Fish Winner $300.00
Total payout $3,500...With 21 paid boats, no comps.

And the best part..................
listening to Tauber talk for 2 hours from 3 o'clock weigh in until park closed.
Thankful for the Gallion's sandwiches or we might have passed out due to boredom!

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Thats exactly what I expected. I didnt stick around for the entire weighh in. Why is the payout so low. All in was 300. How big of a cut is WON taking. They must think us anglers cant do basic math. I cant wait to hear how they explain this one. Talk about smoke and mirrors. If you guys really want to get pissed off click on this link and compare the payouts from two years ago. http://www.wonbass.com/archives/2010/te ... staic.html whats going on?
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How much was the big fish option?
How many places do they pay?
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$50.00 Big Fish Option...tells me only 6 got in Big Fish. If that is the case one could assume only 6 were in the options? Based on that assumption Won only pocketed $550. Seems fair to me?
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same ole thing. guy jumps on here without a name or a clue as to what the percentages are before he posts his rant. Go figure. Wake up guys. There were only 21 boats. and if there was only 300 paid for big fish yes only 6 guys got in. Give Bill Egan a call so you can eat your words. Those tds make pennies compared to what guys like you put them through. :lol:
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Same old thing. A guy gets on here who didnt even fish the tournament and opens his mouth because hes friends with Billy. Get a clue. That payout sucks, no matter whos running it. Only one spot was paid out for big bass and im certain more than six teams entered the options.
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im pretty sure your numbers are a guess since you use the word certain. Did you talk to all the teams that paid for big fish? is that how your ceratin? or are you certain because the little birdy told you? i thought so.
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Most people would have asked the TD where all the money went. Then he would have pulled out the sheet of paper and showed you. its not a secret. If you didnt like the payout get your buddies to enter so it gets better cause they arent taking anything near what you think they are. with 21 boats i doubt if rich even made 150 bucks total. is that worth it to you?
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Hey Pork & Beans...

I don't get your complaining...

21 teams with a $150 entry...that is $3150. You said the pay out was $3500. Help me understand your problem!! I don't know what the options were, but you said it was $300 all in. That is $6300 assuming everyone was in for all options...which I know isn't true since the big fish was only $300 and equates to 6 teams. So if we assume 6 teams were all in...that is $4050 total collected. That is $550 collected for WON Bass total to pay for Rich Tauber to do his thing and pay for the permits, lake fees, insurance and waking up at 3am to show up and run the event. After paying for his own fuel and his entry to the lake, he probably pocketed $100-$125 (oh, don't tell me he has a permit so its free...it's not...it is $250 for an annual).

So, Pork & Beans, unless you eat pork and beans every day and night, I think you wouldn't do a day's work for less would you?!! Why don't you stop your damn complaining and show some love for a guy who is trying very hard. If he didn't care, he would have handed out the checks and closed up shop.

Rich, I didn't fish your event but thanks for working hard to make the event a success.
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Big fish was $35 per team not $50........
That is stated clearly on there website
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Hollywood wrote:Big fish was $35 per team not $50........
That is stated clearly on there website
From the WON BASS Website...

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA REGION RULES AND ITINERARY

For Lake Castaic Event 1-21-2012

Anglers can sign-in at the Denny's Restaurant in Castaic, CA from 4-5am

Weigh-in is at 3pm

A free lunch will be provided by Gallion's Corner Market after the weigh-in.

Take off will be at safe light.

Launch and weigh-in at the West Ramp.

ENTRY FEE IS only $150.00 per team. All options paid back 100%
Big Bass Option is $50 per team (Optional)
So Cal Super Option Pool is $100 per team (Optional)
No late fees, no insurance fees, no permit fees and no pre-sign required
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Here you littlebailey.
23 boats total payout $4475.00 http://www.nationalbasswest.com/listing ... _06_21_03/

19 boats total payout $3455
http://www.nationalbasswest.com/listing ... _07_12_03/

23 boats total payout $4085
http://www.nationalbasswest.com/listing ... _09_09_03/

25 boats total payout $4665
http://www.nationalbasswest.com/listing ... _11_15_03/

23 boats total payout $5535
http://www.nationalbasswest.com/listing ... _01_09_10/

25 boats total payout $6020
http://www.nationalbasswest.com/listing ... _04_02_10/

23 boats total payout $5600
http://www.nationalbasswest.com/listing ... 2_19_2011/

25 boats total payout $5660
http://www.nationalbasswest.com/listing ... 4_09_2011/

24 boats total payout $4341
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2013

25 boats total payout $4805
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2017

20 boats total payout $3712
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2011

25 boats total payout $4539
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2012

22 boats total payout $4097
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2013

19 boats total payout $3414
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2014

26 boats total payout $4807
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2015

24 boats total payout $4518
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2016

24 boats total payout $4555
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2017

26 boats total payout $5325
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=2017

24 boats total payout $5015
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=1063

20 boats total payout $4165
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=1064

24 boats total payout $5015
http://www.usanglerschoice.net/2007resu ... value=1065


Here is just a small sample size of other payouts from the same region. I say small because i only searched for smaller turnouts. Its all there in black and white. Us anglers are not as dumb as you think we are. Everybody in the know, knows that Tauber gets $1000 off the top. There has also been confirmation from a very reliable source that 16 teams were in the options.There has also been confirmation that littlebailey is a WON "homer". Hey littlebailey is this enough or do you need more statistics because ABA also has a website. Im out. :lol:
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I was there. It was $300 all-in. At least thats what they collected from me. $150 entry $100 super option and $50 big bass.
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gixxer464 wrote:I was there. It was $300 all-in. At least thats what they collected from me. $150 entry $100 super option and $50 big bass.

Yesterday the website said $165 for entry, 35 for big fish and 100 for the option.
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hey you can show me all the payouts you want but you need to show me cost of entry too or it means nothing. you would know that if you were a little brighter. Also you forget they also take a small percent out for the toc you get to fish. which is then given back to you at the toc. sorry you did all that copying and pasting but its worthless with out the entry cost. also if your complaining about 3 percent which is the about the difference in payout between the orgs you should stop now. Its 5 dollars to the winner at the end of the day.
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we do this every few weeks with the new guys. sorry it was you this week.
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Everybody in the know, knows that Tauber gets $1000 off the top. There has also been confirmation from a very reliable source that 16 teams were in the options.

yeah im sure he does. keep telling yourself that big guy. its people like you that drive the good people away. Talk to won bass and find out the truth not your reliable sources that are obviously lying to you.
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I am sure I can't be the only one wondering, What is a "Won Bass Homer" ?
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everybody knows the payouts look awesome when everyone gets in the options. when only half the field get in the payout go way down. We get the same thing up here. When you get the actual numbers, come talk with us. until then your assuming and we all know what happens when you do that. im do favor won bass because they actually give you the prize you win at the fishoff. im still waiting for mine from october from another circuit. just so you know. i have reasons and they are plenty good.
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littlebailey wrote:hey you can show me all the payouts you want but you need to show me cost of entry too or it means nothing. you would know that if you were a little brighter. Also you forget they also take a small percent out for the toc you get to fish. which is then given back to you at the toc. sorry you did all that copying and pasting but its worthless with out the entry cost. also if your complaining about 3 percent which is the about the difference in payout between the orgs you should stop now. Its 5 dollars to the winner at the end of the day.
Those paybacks date as far back as 2005. Do any of you guys remember paying more than 300 bucks for a team tournament? If so please enlighting me. To answer your question a WON homer can also be referred to as a ball washer.
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All,

I talked to Rich myself just now....here are the facts Rich was willing to share.

Big Fish was in fact $35/person, not $50 and obviously the website is wrong. The Big Fish payout was $455 and won by Kevin Johnson/Jerry Ballesteros. That equates to 13 people.

Rich pays an assistant $10/hr who works from 2am to 7pm. That is $170.
Rich bought you guys a full lunch - $144. Included in your fees.
The raffle had approximately $200 retail value...included in your fees.
There was 1 comp, so you had 20 paid teams.

$15 of every entry goes to WON.

Personally, I don't have a preference for any one tournament organization. I don't fish any of the team circuits due to calendar conflicts. However, these TDs work their tails off to put on an event for YOU and then people shoot a missile over the bow .... for what!? Rich cares as do all the TDs. They don't work for free. Whether you are Rich Tauber, John Barron, Ray Leyerly, Lynne/Mike Peterson, Jason Sutherland, Bob Tull or Brian Linehan they all work their tails off to do the very best they can for you guys. No TD is getting rich for working 12-15 hours in a single day, not forgetting all the preparation work prior to the event.

Once again, support those organizations you like. If you don't want to support one of them, that is your choice...no one is twisting your arms or holding a gun to your head. But for crying out loud, can't you follow the old adage, if you don't have anything nice to say...don't say it. One thing is for sure...sooner or later these guys are going to give up and you won't have anything complain about...cause they will just give up.

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"I wont call billy because I know he going to lie about it". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: sound like someone was mad that awards took too long and had to vent after his beer when he got home. good luck with who ever you fish. I gave you an answer to your un educated question but you didnt like it i guess. sorry for the truth. the name calling is great here. i love it. call me more names because your parents didnt give you enough attention when you were little. oops did i just tell the truth again?
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now do the math again and take your shoe off. take your foot if you can even see your toes and stick it your mouth. thats where it belongs. :D :D :D :D :D
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Since when are the raffle items included in our entry fee?
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Since when is free lunch included in our fees?
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gixxer464 wrote:Since when is free lunch included in our fees?
Gixxer, what the heck are you missing? You think this stuff is free? Rich bought you lunch and now your are complaining!!?? You don't want lunch...you don't want a raffle...he can take it away if you want. You can have your payback checks and all go home...that what you want? I can see your post next...I get nothing from so and so..all they do is take our money and what do I get...

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Here you go paul and scott a basic math lesson
Basic entry $165 * 20 teams = $3300
Minus $15 per enrty = $300
New total= $3000
13 in the bigbass option=$455
You can assume that 13 entered the Super Option 13 *100=$1300
New total= $4755

Total payout $3500

New total $1255

Minus $170 for the assistant

New total $ 1085 take home. ( For one day of work. Thats pretty good)

So yes my assumptions are correct and it was never stated that lunch and raffle prizes are included in our entry fee. Hey paul, you can take your shoe off now.
Check and mate.
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The numbers dont lie.
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now find out how much permit fees, insurance, himself, and what percent goes to the fish off and you have the real number, but you already knew that.......right?
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Yeah yeah i know, the TDs practicly Work .for free. Get real.
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gixxer464 wrote:Here you go paul and scott a basic math lesson
Basic entry $165 * 20 teams = $3300
Minus $15 per enrty = $300
New total= $3000
13 in the bigbass option=$455
You can assume that 13 entered the Super Option 13 *100=$1300
New total= $4755

Total payout $3500

New total $1255

Minus $170 for the assistant

New total $ 1085 take home. ( For one day of work. Thats pretty good)

So yes my assumptions are correct and it was never stated that lunch and raffle prizes are included in our entry fee. Hey paul, you can take your shoe off now.
Check and mate.
Check and mate what?

Interesting though...1085 - lunch ($144) = 941 - permit ($57) - lake fee ($50) - Insurance ($100) - Western bass advertising - WON publication - WON Bass Office rent - WON Bass office staff salaries - WON BASS telephones and lights and repairs - Rich Tauber compensation - TOC hold backs = ??????

You know Gixxer, you remind me of the child who walks in to a candy store. The person behinds the counter offers you a piece of candy. You exclaim with, "huh, only one!" Dude, get a life...its fishing, not solving world peace or world hunger. Be grateful for the options you have instead of complaining about the things you don't have. At least you have options.

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Western bass advertising - WON publication - WON Bass Office rent - WON Bass office staff salaries - WON BASS telephones and lights and repairs.

Im sorry, I thought our $45 a year membership paid for all that.I guess Im wrong.
I also thought the lunch was free. I guess not.I also thought the raffle prizes were donated product, wrong again.
New total 1085-permit 57-lake fee 50- insurance100. New total $878.
$878/12 hours of work ( which is actually 6hrs of work max) is $73.16 dollars per hour. Poor tournament directors. How will they ever survive. :lol:
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Paul, I love how you ruffle all these dudes feathers. You are always on point and truthful. I'm just wondering if any of the guys who complain about the payouts ever win anything. I fish for a living...I don't expect to make any money if I don't place in the top 3, and profit normally only comes with a win. It doesn't matter what team circuit tournament it is and I fish them ALL. Of course those numbers are different on the pro circuits. If your fishing these derbies for fun, then do just that, HAVE FUN. The tournament directors put so much more time in behind the scenes that no one sees. Plain and simple, if we as tournament anglers are hoping for higher and deeper payouts, participation has got to go up. I can't remeber the last western tournament, in any state, at any level that actually drew a full field. And after the amazing job W.O.N. Bass did at the US OPen this year and Billy's continued dedication to putting the west on the scene all I have to say is this...CAN'T WAIT FOR HAVASU! You guys see the PHAT bags being caught out there. Febuary is gonna be a fun month.
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Lest we not forget that the money for the Tri-States comes from the money tree in Gixxer;s back yard!!! It is useless to try and explain to someone the truth of the matter. He seems to be like a woman, mouth open-ears shut. Just let him go, its ok.....not worth the effort.....Step into Taubers shoes and you will be back on here apologizing to all. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE...Call John Galbraith at BassTackleMaster in Lake Havasu...There is no money to be made for these TD's with that few boats. I commend them for trying to build their circuits up.
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http://www.wonbass.com/team/results/sou ... index.html

Per the won bass website. Free lunch, no permit fee, no insurance fee. When are you guys gonna open your eyes. TTT.
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why do people use screen names to hid behind ? gixxer and beans need to be exposed !!!!!
in fact ill give someone a 50 dollar tackle package free to who ever exposes their names hahaha
let the name guessing begin !!!!!
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Hey shaun youve already been exosed. You dont have look real hard to find me. I will be up at havasu in a couple of weeks. We can talk then.
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just as I thought ........ affraid to write your own name ....
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Why all the hostility? Im simply stating facts that are posted on their website. Why do you need to.know my name. Are you going to send me a $50 tackle package.
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ill send ya the package if you write your name.....
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gixxer464 wrote:Why all the hostility? Im simply stating facts that are posted on their website. Why do you need to.know my name. Are you going to send me a $50 tackle package.
Yea...stating the facts...half the facts to bias reality. Why bother going to Havasu, you will bash them too because you didn't win.
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gixxer464 wrote:http://www.wonbass.com/team/results/sou ... index.html

Per the won bass website. Free lunch, no permit fee, no insurance fee. When are you guys gonna open your eyes. TTT.
Uh...it isn't free...they are charging you LESS money and trying to take care of you. Why are you so ungrateful?

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Post by S. Bailey »

no hostility here .... just dont get why people fish tournaments then go and bash them . ALL of our orgs are great . They do us a service, the directors poor their hearts into their curcuits just to be bashed by guys why cant write their name. WON , NBW , ABA and AC all have great directors who work their tails off . Be a man and write your name so everyone know who you are....
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Remember i didnt start this post , so it got me thinking. I looked at the numbers and they didnt make sense to me. It doesnt matter what org. It is. I fish them all and would have done the samething no matter what org it is. I fish for fun and not to pay the bills. Im done with this post.
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I fished ABA at DVL on saturday. We had 20 boats. Winner smoked the field got just over 2g's Seems about right to me. Man threads like this kill turnouts. We need to promote our local tourny orgs, all of them, that give us the ability to be weekend warriors..

I think it would have been better for you to call the tourny director, or address the payouts before you leave the lake. Or don't fish with the org again?
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Its really pretty easy as Americans we live under the free enterprise system. If your not happy with one trail just go to the others. Why the beatdown? Every trail has skeletons in the closet, and for the most part all pay very close to the same. Some have better fishoffs than others, ect....Get a good buddy, your kid, wife, girlfriend, or whoever you enjoy spending a day on the water with and go have fun. Life is way too short. Rick G.
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Its very simple dont like an orgs payout dont fish simple dont come on here bashing the org thats bull **** i want to know who this is people like this should be banned reveal your self so everyone knows the asshole is
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Wow is all I have to say. I am a T.D. and from all of us I say this. Most have no idea how much we work. Prep weeks before the event. All work during the event and more paperwork the week following the event. So I guess we make a great living off of this. Gas to and from. Some of us tow trailers and use more gas. Making sure gas in the trailer. Oh promotion of each of our events. Do I need to keep going. The other T.D.'S know what all I am talking about. Some of us even take days off work to go work an event because not all of us work monday through friday. I say you have a choice in events to fish so make your choice and don't complain about it. I have fished all the organizations and all of them have good and bad. But with all of them I made a choice and never complained about it.
Sometimes I wish we were back to the old days of Western Bass and ABA as the 2 choices to fish. Jeeze I swear
Normally I would not post on something like this but once anyone starts talking about how much a T.D. makes I get a bit defensive. Sorry about the bit of a rant but hey We as T.D.'S have to put up with a lot and most of you have no idea what we go through. I have been working on my first event for close to a month now and am still working on it as I write this. We all call the lake multiple times to make sure we are on the same page and we need to make sure all paperwork is up to date. I answer e mails every day from anglers and answer the same things all day long to anglers. We deal with Angler protest, Angler's crying about stupid stuff. The list can go on forever.
Why do you think it is so hard to get a good tournament director to stay doing it for very long?

OK I am done. This is my post for another month.
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Post by gixxer464 »

Once again, i appreciate every td out there. Their hard Work allows me to do what i love most. This is being taken way out of context, but if you believe that they do this for $150 (like some people have stated) you are a fool and I have some magic beans to sell you.
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OK, guys...enough is enough. Actually, it's been too much. We are locking this thread and probably removing it.

This message board is not the place to bash any organization or individual. If you have a problem understanding the payouts in tournaments, please call the tournament organization it concerns. If you don't like their answer, it will then be your choice as to whether you want to fish in their tournaments or not.

If you have a problem with an individual...call, PM or email them and talk it through.

I have been in this industry for over 25 years and have a pretty good understanding of how things work from an angler's standpoint as well a a tournament organization's standpoint. Having a website message board forum like WesternBass is a real challenge when it comes to making decisions like this. But we must make these decisions for the best interest for our site, our site users & sponsors and the industry in general. These type of threads are bad for all involved since the anonymity allows people to come in and post things that are negative, thoughtless and often incorrect.

As a general rule...if you don't have something positive to say, please don't use our message board forums to air your grievances as it will not be tolerated.

WesternBass is here to provide the best website possible for the masses. We strive to be the best we can be and do not take these matters lightly. If you have a problem with decisions we make, please feel free to contact Wayne or myself directly. Any posts that are negative or questioning of our business decisions on the forum will likely lead to being banned. We prefer email but PM's or phone calls are also fine.
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