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I think he meet his match in President Trump calif still burning because of what jerry's done to the state of ca with no water shed and not allowing the forestry service do there jobs that should have been done in clearing vast amounts under brush and allowing logging to go on now topping that off by pissing the President off is not going to help him.
Democrats are to blame for this mess because of there enviromental policy they have on this state.
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Agree 150%
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jiggin4bass wrote:I think he meet his match in President Trump calif still burning because of what jerry's done to the state of ca with no water shed and not allowing the forestry service do there jobs that should have been done in clearing vast amounts under brush and allowing logging to go on now topping that off by pissing the President off is not going to help him.
Democrats are to blame for this mess because of there enviromental policy they have on this state.
I call Bull$**t! Trump's an asshat, and so is Brown, but global warming is the problem, not politics.
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Thank you Mark!
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mark poulson wrote:
jiggin4bass wrote:I think he meet his match in President Trump calif still burning because of what jerry's done to the state of ca with no water shed and not allowing the forestry service do there jobs that should have been done in clearing vast amounts under brush and allowing logging to go on now topping that off by pissing the President off is not going to help him.
Democrats are to blame for this mess because of there enviromental policy they have on this state.
I call Bull$h**! Trump's an asshat, and so is Brown, but global warming is the problem, not politics.

In my opinion Scary Clown needs three or four promotions just to approach the level of asshat
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I call Bull$hit! Trump's an asshat, and so is Brown, but global warming is the problem, not politics.[/quote]

Global warming??? Really????
It's called "climate change" now if it's even changing. For at least the last 70 years CA has gone through droughts followed by record rainfall. This hasn't changed. What has changed is the states thirst for water.

The amount of fires we're having now have been caused by neglect.
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Global warming is a made up theory to sell you “environmentally friendly products”

The forestry service should’ve had the budget to prepare much better for such disasters. The more water we send south the worse off we will be as well.
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Jerry Brown started his latest term with a inherited debt of 27 billion dollars. California is now in Surplus and it is the 5th largest economy in the world. Tech, Agriculture, Cuisine, and the Entertainment industries, to name a few are flourishing as they should be in the greatest state in the nation. Even a$$hat Trump deserves some credit (although we can't really judge that till years down the line). Sure you may disagree with some of his policies, but if you don't give credit where it is due then you are just a partisan hack. CA as a whole is in great shape and we are lucky to have this great state as our home.
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Jerry brown and the dem buddys are in big trouble if Trump doesn't get some of his policies passed here in ca like the wall and cracking down on the borders. Trump will let ca. Burn Politics area dirty business and with these fire going well into sept. Well see where brown will be standing along will his dem buddys.It sad how sacramento runs ca but they chews to bring ca down the fault lies at the state capital not in washington d.c.
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Mark i take it you didnt get a trump tax break huh.
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hydrophonix wrote:CA as a whole is in great shape and we are lucky to have this great state as our home.
Apparently you don't drive on the same roads I drive on.......not to mention much higher gas prices than most of the nation......
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hydrophonix wrote:Jerry Brown started his latest term with a inherited debt of 27 billion dollars. California is now in Surplus and it is the 5th largest economy in the world. Tech, Agriculture, Cuisine, and the Entertainment industries, to name a few are flourishing as they should be in the greatest state in the nation. Even a$$hat Trump deserves some credit (although we can't really judge that till years down the line). Sure you may disagree with some of his policies, but if you don't give credit where it is due then you are just a partisan hack. CA as a whole is in great shape and we are lucky to have this great state as our home.
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You really think hes doing a great job? Why are so many middle class moving out of the state? Rent a Uhaul to Vegas, 1200.00 Rent a Uhaul from Vegas to Ca. 200.00. Yeah all is well.
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hydrophonix wrote:Jerry Brown started his latest term with a inherited debt of 27 billion dollars. California is now in Surplus and it is the 5th largest economy in the world. Tech, Agriculture, Cuisine, and the Entertainment industries, to name a few are flourishing as they should be in the greatest state in the nation. Even a$$hat Trump deserves some credit (although we can't really judge that till years down the line). Sure you may disagree with some of his policies, but if you don't give credit where it is due then you are just a partisan hack. CA as a whole is in great shape and we are lucky to have this great state as our home.
Surplus thats to funny lol
What about the $1 trillion unfunded pension liability.
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Two examples of a state with goals that don't benefit the general public. Nearly 100% of the general public 16 and over uses our roads and highways. Tow a boat to Clear Lake west of Yuba City on hwy 20. The hwy is nearly down to the original dirt in some places. Fun to watch your 40 to 90 thousand dollar bass boat bounce around in your rear view mirror! Or, lets try Hwy 113 (which is ok) from Woodland, turning off on hwy 31, towing to Winters and then Berryessa! See how your boat trailer likes that ride!!!
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Good Ol scary brown. Now we can't have plastic straws...so now it's gonna be paper straw in a plastic wrapper :shock: :shock: "SMART F**N GUY"
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Now if Gavin Newsome is are next govenor he going to introduce a bill where you wont have to ware a tie to work when your at work on the hill. Only in ca.
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SpookFreak wrote:
hydrophonix wrote:Jerry Brown started his latest term with a inherited debt of 27 billion dollars. California is now in Surplus and it is the 5th largest economy in the world. Tech, Agriculture, Cuisine, and the Entertainment industries, to name a few are flourishing as they should be in the greatest state in the nation. Even a$$hat Trump deserves some credit (although we can't really judge that till years down the line). Sure you may disagree with some of his policies, but if you don't give credit where it is due then you are just a partisan hack. CA as a whole is in great shape and we are lucky to have this great state as our home.
Surplus thats to funny lol
What about the $1 trillion unfunded pension liability.
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mark poulson wrote:
jiggin4bass wrote:I think he meet his match in President Trump calif still burning because of what jerry's done to the state of ca with no water shed and not allowing the forestry service do there jobs that should have been done in clearing vast amounts under brush and allowing logging to go on now topping that off by pissing the President off is not going to help him.
Democrats are to blame for this mess because of there enviromental policy they have on this state.
I call Bull$hit! Trump's an asshat, and so is Brown, but global warming is the problem, not politics.
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The bottom line is we have Brown rot and it wont get any better any time soon.And if you let Newsome or Harris run ca. Its only going too get worse. I wonder if they
will update the maps in san fran with the new govenor so you dont step in the $@it the homeless leaves behind on the streets. Part of it will move to when Newsome take office.
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Mr. Brown mid sept before the fires are under control you better hope sourthern ca stays safe.
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jiggin4bass wrote:The bottom line is we have Brown rot and it wont get any better any time soon.And if you let Newsome or Harris run ca. Its only going too get worse. I wonder if they
will update the maps in san fran with the new govenor so you dont step in the $@it the homeless leaves behind on the streets. Part of it will move to when Newsome take office.
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Global warming please! This earth has gone through many climate changes before the influence of man. People that believe in global warming need to pull their head out of the sand.
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392 wrote:Global warming please! This earth has gone through many climate changes before the influence of man. People that believe in global warming need to pull their head out of the sand.
Just look at the climate all around the world. I'm old enough to remember when things were different.
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Will Jerry you knew the fed's were going to take over here they come instead of water flowing to the ocean now its time to put fires out Jerry you lose again.
It not personal its just business.
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Larry Hemphill wrote:Two examples of a state with goals that don't benefit the general public. Nearly 100% of the general public 16 and over uses our roads and highways. Tow a boat to Clear Lake west of Yuba City on hwy 20. The hwy is nearly down to the original dirt in some places. Fun to watch your 40 to 90 thousand dollar bass boat bounce around in your rear view mirror! Or, lets try Hwy 113 (which is ok) from Woodland, turning off on hwy 31, towing to Winters and then Berryessa! See how your boat trailer likes that ride!!!
November 1, 2017 to November 1 of this year, California will have reaped an estimated $5.2 billion from the additional gas tax and car registration fee increase imposed by Jerry last year. Yet hardly anything has been done for the roads in that time. The money's been going to all kinds of other stuff, and that's fact. Only about 20% of our gas taxes go to roads. Jerry told Caltrans to step up repair projects just a few months ago when he and his cronies realized the gas tax repeal initiative was going to qualify for this November's ballot. He was hoping to pull the wool over the eyes of Californians once again by showing something is being done. But seriously, have you actually seen anything getting repaired on the roads since the additional gas tax started last November? There were plenty of existing projects going on, but no new repairs that I've seen in my area.

By the way, SB-1 (the bill that Sacramento passed to up the gas tax) provides for repairs to only state roads. Won't do anything for city roads. It also does not allow for any road widening... supposed to be JUST for repairs to state roads and bridges.

So people, it's time to stick it to Jerry. You'll be able to in November by voting YES on Prop 6. Not only will that repeal the extra gas tax and car registration fee, but would create a state constitutional amendment that would prevent Sacramento from ever imposing a gas tax increase without putting it to a vote of the people. In 2010, Jerry was on record saying that such increases should never be done without a vote of the people. Look what he did to you last year... shoved the gas tax down your throat without you having any say. So again, YES on Prop 6. Tell your friends!

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Climate change ? The Earth's climate has never been static but instead has constantly been under change in a "Natural" effort to balance out and seek an equilibrium it can never find .
While it's true many places in the world are experienceing record high temps in recent years there as just as many locations experiencing record low temps . When everything gets averaged out the Earth's temperature is essentially the same +/- . The human race has been witness to to vast temperature extremes long before the arrival of the "Industrial Age " and the man caused emissions began that many are trying to now blame as the source for any change in Climate .

The massive fires we are now dealing with are due to natural occurring drought conditions and the accumulation of fuel due to lack of natural seasonal burning caused by poor forest management practices and the expanding population building homes in these natural areas so fires are no longer being allowed to naturally burn . Every fall the Sierra range and foothills experience lightning storms that "naturally "start fires . In the original natural scheme of things a flash fire would quickly burn through burning off the grass and underbrush while leaving the fewer larger trees intact without becoming major forest fires . Look at some old pictures of California forests from when cameras came out west and you will see fewer , bigger , trees without all of the accumulated underbrush (fuel) we see today . The foilage and trees have evolved to survive and benefit from this cycle and it's man and his infinate knowledge that is messing things up now .

The native peoples of California were actually better forest managers than the people in charge today and would routinely set fires when they rotated to others areas to promote plant growth to bring populations of game animals back ahead of their return to the area . It was not in their best interest to burn the forest to the ground and in fact their very survival was dependent on proper woodland management .
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Climate change is real, just like the poisoning of the Delta's water with Roundup and Sonar.
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Have a feeling its going to get much worse if Newsome gets in and will swing much farther left than it currently is, then there will be a huge shift and revolt and CA will come back HARD right. Most fires are started by arsonist, just like the one down here and they should go straight to death row IMO. As far as the roads go when I go North to visit all you fine folks great lakes, the 5 Fwy beats the **** out of you from Burbank to Stockton unless your in the fast lane. You would think that Moonbeam would want its main artery clean. Always has been a moron in my book and nothing he has done will change that opinion. Maybe Pizza Hut can fix the 5!
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Most of the DEMS are liberal puppets .Like Mark and global warming..
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gold fish wrote:Most of the DEMS are liberal puppets .Like Mark and global warming..
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Well Jerry 12 fires burning in the state with one 83% contained and One Hundred and Eleven Million Dollars spent so far. And two trump cabinet members touring the burned out areas. Saying if forestry was allowed to do there jobs in this state im sure the fire season would have been much less. You keep doing things your way cailf. will never recover form this. What a moron for a govenor.
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In Brown's last stint as Governor in 1981 California had the Mediterranean fruit fly outbreak that got out of hand due to the Governor's poor leadership and unwillingness to act . Fast forward to 2018 and California is in flames for the same reasons . Common denominator = Jerry Brown
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Surplus that's to funny lol
What about the $1 trillion unfunded pension liability.


Funny how the Brown supporters believe his budget but forget to add all the boxes! He lies about everything from being green, to destroying the Delta, to not giving money where it is needed like fire prevention. When you don't spend and tax the rich, sure you will have a surplus for a short time.
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Hundreds of years ago Ireland produced wine, not now. So much for global warming!
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gold fish wrote:Most of the DEMS are liberal puppets .Like Mark and global warming..
LOL
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Jerry Brown is a completely useless politician . He is the perfect example of how the Democrats believe they can grow Government and solve all the problems in California . Just look at the California school system , largest Union in all of USA , and a complete failure . California ranks as one of the lowest in all 50 states in educating the kids of this state .
You could fire 50% of all State and Federal management employee's ( those above the actual worker class ) and not one person outside of the people fired would EVER be affected .
The real sad part , is that people in this country are just plain stupid and will vote along party lines without ever knowing anything about the candidate or the bill .
Take a look at San Francisco , a one time beautiful city now turned into a complete chithoole -- run by very liberal democrats for generations and littered with garbage , homeless and crime . San Francisco's budget for " solving " the homeless problem currently exceeds $200M per year , for approx. 7500 homeless --- that's crazy , $27K per homeless person and they just passed spending another $750K to clean up all the dirty needles and pass out clean ones !!!
Anyone who believes that bigger Government is best for our country , are either employed by the Government or dumber than rocks.
Gavin Newsom is a more liberal repeat of Brown , he went on TV when the President of the Fish and Game legally killed a Mountain Lion in Idaho and claimed this guy didn't have the morals to lead that group , all the while , Gavin was screwing his best friends wife while married to Kimberly Guilifoyle . You can't make that stuff up , and these are the leaders of the once great state of California .
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It's ok, the years to come will show the Dem party. They have complete control of CA. Who will they try and blame it on now?
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mark poulson wrote:
jiggin4bass wrote:I think he meet his match in President Trump calif still burning because of what jerry's done to the state of ca with no water shed and not allowing the forestry service do there jobs that should have been done in clearing vast amounts under brush and allowing logging to go on now topping that off by pissing the President off is not going to help him.
Democrats are to blame for this mess because of there enviromental policy they have on this state.
I call Bull$**t! Trump's an asshat, and so is Brown, but global warming is the problem, not politics.
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Oh gawd. You guys can't be serious with some of these posts. A lot of ignorance in this thread...
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MasterBassinator wrote:Oh gawd. You guys can't be serious with some of these posts. A lot of ignorance in this thread...
I agree with everyone who feels Brown is a POS! :mrgreen:
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First, I don't know why this thread hasn't been moved to the Politics forum long ago.

Second, those who claim that human caused climate change is unsettled science are either 1. seriously misinformed, or 2. lying. As a scientist myself I have read the journal articles and talked to several climate scientists on the issue and there is no question that the earth is warming as a result of human activity, and the weather patterns will become more and more extreme as a result of this warming. Whether the fires have anything to do with climate change... I don't know if there is any consensus yet on that issue.
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Jeff C. wrote:First, I don't know why this thread hasn't been moved to the Politics forum long ago.

Second, those who claim that human caused climate change is unsettled science are either 1. seriously misinformed, or 2. lying. As a scientist myself I have read the journal articles and talked to several climate scientists on the issue and there is no question that the earth is warming as a result of human activity, and the weather patterns will become more and more extreme as a result of this warming. Whether the fires have anything to do with climate change... I don't know if there is any consensus yet on that issue.
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As the earth's average temperature increases, there is more heat to transfer, so the weather events become more intense.
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After the exposure of fraudulent data was revealed a few years ago it is amazing that anyone still believes in man made global warming: Biggest Science Scandal Ever. There are countless publications supporting climate change but the vast majority are written by scientists without any expertise in climate science who are trying to push a political viewpoint.

Although skewed towards supporting man made climate change, this site does at least try to present both sides: Climate Change ProCon.

edit: Forgot to even mention Climategate
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Jerry i hope you and your environmentalist buddy dont get any help from the federal goverment on this one you need to get buried in the mess you have caused all over this state. Im sure you"ll try too tax cailf more for this. One of your many failures you have caused. And there are many.
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tsengds wrote:After the exposure of fraudulent data was revealed a few years ago it is amazing that anyone still believes in man made global warming: Biggest Science Scandal Ever. There are countless publications supporting climate change but the vast majority are written by scientists without any expertise in climate science who are trying to push a political viewpoint.

Although skewed towards supporting man made climate change, this site does at least try to present both sides: Climate Change ProCon.
I'm sorry but you are misinformed.

"After the exposure of fraudulent data was revealed a few years ago it is amazing that anyone still believes in man made global warming"

The body of evidence supporting the conclusion of man made climate change has been accumulating for decades and literally includes tens of thousands of peer reviewed scientific studies. The fact that academic dishonesty was discovered in one particular instance does nothing to discredit the overwhelming accumulation of data. Scientists are the same as other people, in that there are dishonest ones just like in any other profession. The process of peer review (see below) helps to safeguard against bad data, but no safeguards are perfect.

"There are countless publications supporting climate change but the vast majority are written by scientists without any expertise in climate science who are trying to push a political viewpoint."

I don't think you understand how science is reported. In order to reach the level of accepted science, a study and finding is submitted to a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Peer review means that other scientists in the same field very carefully scrutinize the methods, results, and conclusions of the study. Because of the rigor of scientific review, it would be extremely difficult for someone who doesn't have expertise in an area to publish an impactful paper on that topic. Certainly non scientists do comment and lobby on issues such as climate change, Al Gore as an example, but that's not the same. The link you provide above cites a study showing that 97%-98% of active climate researchers agree that human activity is primarily responsible for climate change. These are not "scientists without expertise in climate science" these are people who have devoted their life's work to the scientific discipline of climate science.

Think of it this way, if your outboard motor is acting up are you going to take it to someone who works on car engines? Of course not, you're gonna take it to someone with the training and expertise in outboard motor repair. Similarly, if you have a question about science you should find out what the scientists who have devoted their lives to the field have concluded. The overwhelming majority of climate scientists in the world have concluded that man made climate change is occurring. Not surprisingly, nearly every single scientific organization has come out with statements recognizing the reality of man made climate change:

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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All this global warming stuff fine but the bottom line here in ca and are forest are the environmentalist and the democrats in sacramento have for year undermined and neglected to let the forestery service the resources to do there jobs in keeping large area of under brush cleaned out taking out down trees where needed. I worked for a logging company for 18 years before my accident i know what were able to do back then when we could cut and clear tree and replant what we cut down. Now it burn baby burn thank you JERRY
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The bottom line is when your not allowed too take care by logging and clearning under brush and managing of are precious resources like are vast forest we have here in ca. This is going to keep happening.
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Man made climate change is about as real as that hole in the ozone B.S. years back. Follow the money and you have your answer to anything the government does.
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I don't think you understand how science is reported
I don't really want to get into this any deeper and don't expect to change any one's opinion either way except to try to show that there is a legitimate reason for scientific doubt of global warming. But I have to point out that I have authored several peer reviewed publications (in a different field), reviewed and scored manuscripts for several journals and written invited responses and commentary. So I am familiar with the process and the integrity of scientific articles (or lack thereof). You can get almost anything published if you know how.

But I wouldn't cite the discredited 97% number from the Cook study. The methodology has been widely panned, most clearly because they count the number of publications, not scientists and they included studies on climate policy and media coverage of climate change as proof of global warming.
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