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Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:01 pm
by Bassphish
Took my daughter fishing a Bethany Reservoir today. After pulling the boat, I was approached by a State Water District employee, who asked how we did fishing. I told him we caught a few, but the bite wasn't as good as years past. He the went on to proudly inform me it should be getting better as they are removing "predatory" fish from the Delta and "stocking" them here, motioning towards the reservoir. My response was "really", and I explained my opinion on the subject matter.
While fishing the lake, all the state trucks I saw headed down to the gates leading to the aqueduct and that's where the "predatory" fish are being released.
IMO, just another example of our benevolent overlords doing what's best for the Delta and it's fishery.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:06 pm
by Freefall
What species?
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:44 pm
by Bassphish
Sorry, I pretty much came to my own conclusion and didn't bother to ask after hearing the phrase predatory fish...
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:10 pm
by WRB
All species of bass; stripe, largemouth and Smallmouth are considered non native predator fish in the delta. Has the CF&W started the kill your catch program on the delta?
Tom
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:22 pm
by mark poulson
WRB wrote:All species of bass; stripe, largemouth and Smallmouth are considered non native predator fish in the delta. Has the CF&W started the kill your catch program on the delta?
Tom
Not yet.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:32 am
by Bassfishman
WRB wrote:All species of bass; stripe, largemouth and Smallmouth are considered non native predator fish in the delta. Has the CF&W started the kill your catch program on the delta?
Tom
If those are the predators, what are the true native fish?
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:05 am
by MichaelB
mark poulson wrote: Not yet.
How would fish&game enforce a "kill your catch" program ....... cancel Tournament Permits if the circuit did not comply ?
That would be a disaster.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:50 pm
by gabuelhaj
By turning California into a socialist state and take away your rights and freedom of your free will to catch and release.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:37 pm
by Hookset5
I think the predatory fish he was talking about would mean everything here, except that's unknown. The only bass predator I can think of in the delta where I fish are the seals. Wouldn't that be great!
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:54 pm
by WRB
Do you remember the bill S-1894 that passed our state congress to remove non native species that threaten salmon and steelhead smolt?
Yes it will severely damage recreational fishing in the delta and eliminate C & R bass tournaments.
Largemouth, Smallmouth and stripers are all non native fish along with Crappie, Bluegill, channel catfish and blue catfish.
Fight on!
Tom
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:58 pm
by WRB
Bassfishman wrote:WRB wrote:All species of bass; stripe, largemouth and Smallmouth are considered non native predator fish in the delta. Has the CF&W started the kill your catch program on the delta?
Tom
If those are the predators, what are the true native fish?
Steelhead (sea run rainbow trout), salmon and white sturgeon, all other predators are non native having been transplanted from east of the Rocky Mountain range.
Tom
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:41 am
by Andy Lippert
It's my understanding that they are removing fish from Clifton Court forebay and putting them into Bethany--not removing them from the river. You cannot boat in the forebay and the fish the end up in there are essentially "stuck" anyway. I know this from someone who actually has been out there doing the shocking.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:57 am
by WB Staff
From Bobby Barrack
"They will starve to death in Bethany. It's all part of the plan."
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:46 pm
by gabuelhaj
WB Staff wrote:From Bobby Barrack
"They will starve to death in Bethany. It's all part of the plan."
Which is why the OP was told "it should be getting better".
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:02 pm
by DDG
WB Staff wrote:From Bobby Barrack
"They will starve to death in Bethany. It's all part of the plan."
Ive caught some big largemouths in Bethany, its a very small lake however it is fun to fish. I Do not agree with them dropping off delta fish in that lake, why wouldnt they just dump them in another lake like delvalle or even shadow cliffs, the arroyo delvalle could use some of those fish haha
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:03 pm
by DDG
DDG wrote:WB Staff wrote:From Bobby Barrack
"They will starve to death in Bethany. It's all part of the plan."
Ive caught some big largemouths in Bethany, its a very small lake however it is fun to fish. I Do not agree with them dropping off delta fish in that lake, why wouldnt they just dump them in another lake like delvalle or even shadow cliffs, the arroyo could use some of those fish haha
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:33 pm
by Steve
Im just going to put this out there. None of you know whats going on and more importantly you do not know why its going on as it relates to what water purveyors are required to do, permit wise. You are all barking up the wrong tree.
Relax, what is going on will never affect your catch rates, never. In fact, it just may increase the average weight of your catch. This is fact.
These efforts will never have an impact at the population level of predatory fish in the Delta, ya know, all those species that we all love to catch. And, CDFW will never support an "eradaication" effort. That doesnt matter though because the federal agencies trump state agencies.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:51 pm
by Whoopbass
Steve, i'm just going to put this out there.....STFU. It's obvious your biased. You must have an almond orchard.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:57 am
by Freefall
Whoopbass wrote:Steve, i'm just going to put this out there.....STFU. It's obvious your biased. You must have an almond orchard.
Why transport them to another lake and simply not put them back in the Delta?....
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:57 am
by gabuelhaj
Steve wrote:Im just going to put this out there. None of you know whats going on and more importantly you do not know why its going on as it relates to what water purveyors are required to do, permit wise. You are all barking up the wrong tree.
Relax, what is going on will never affect your catch rates, never. In fact, it just may increase the average weight of your catch. This is fact.
These efforts will never have an impact at the population level of predatory fish in the Delta, ya know, all those species that we all love to catch. And, CDFW will never support an "eradaication" effort. That doesnt matter though because the federal agencies trump state agencies.
What's the secret handshake?
These are Game Fish and should be identified as such instead of labeling them as predatory fish to fill the propaganda and sound bites that people feed on. If the State wanted to forgo eradication, then the Feds will more than likely not involve themselves.
Good luck!
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:11 am
by mark poulson
I spoke to three DFW people on their census boat yesterday, and they saide none of them had any specific information about the fish removal because that was not a DFW project. They said it was not happening in the Delta itself.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:12 am
by mark poulson
Andy Lippert wrote:It's my understanding that they are removing fish from Clifton Court forebay and putting them into Bethany--not removing them from the river. You cannot boat in the forebay and the fish the end up in there are essentially "stuck" anyway. I know this from someone who actually has been out there doing the shocking.
This.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:31 am
by Whoopbass
What's the reason for removing fish from Clifton Forebay?
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 am
by Bassphish
Whoopbass wrote:What's the reason for removing fish from Clifton Forebay?
Google "killing bass on the Delta" and you'll get this response;
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/22 ... -Reservoir
When DWR opens the gates to pull in water or pump water, stripers are able to enter and exit the Forebay, which by the way is open to the public to fish. The removal of black bass from the Forebay is probably looked at as an added bonus. This "pilot" program has been in effect for over a year and doesn't look like there are plans to stop it anytime soon.
And DWR definitely has a unique way of planting fish in Bethany, dumping them in at the gates (beginning of the aqueduct) when pumping water south...
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:49 pm
by Steve
Whoopbass wrote:Steve, i'm just going to put this out there.....STFU. It's obvious your biased. You must have an almond orchard.
I realized I would likely get this type of response from the the post I made. Many of you on here know who I am and know what I do, so I see no need to explain where Im coming from. I will say to Whoopbass that in fact I am one of you, have been for my whole life and always will be. I own nothing but a truck, a boat, and a **** ton of swimbaits. Not biased at all, but Im in the middle of this ****, I know whats going on, and I know the reality of the politics, policy, and permitting compliance requirements of water purveyors that leads to these types of efforts. Im just trying to tell you all how it is, and Im likely one of the few in this community that is on the inside of these types of issues. You can either believe what Im saying, or you can go on your rants which are not based on being educated about whats going on. Really doesnt matter to me. Im not in a position to spell things out in black and white, thats just how politics work. I could answer every question on this thread in extreme detail, but its in my best interest not to do that. However, please feel free to PM me with questions. Its not as bad as many of the uneducated want to make it out to be.
Now, as far as the "tunnels" go, currently known as the Water Fix (Google that), you may want to be concerned about that. We can either move forward as an informed, educated NGO, or we can just go off on silly rants filled with inaccurate accusations and assumptions. The latter will get us no where.
As for me, I just go about my business sticking toads....
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:47 am
by Whoopbass
Steve when I made that comment I had a few beers in me then add in the way you phrased it and nothing good was going to come of that
.
What bugs me is how these water districts make up lies on why the salmon have declined and the media, government, and sheeple believe it. Sure these "predator" fish eat salmon smolt but they have since the day they were introduced and we used to have heavy salmon runs in our rivers. The only thing that has changed in the last 15 or so years has been the number of almond trees in this state.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:58 am
by mark poulson
Whoopbass wrote:Steve when I made that comment I had a few beers in me then add in the way you phrased it and nothing good was going to come of that
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What bugs me is how these water districts make up lies on why the salmon have declined and the media, government, and sheeple believe it. Sure these "predator" fish eat salmon smolt but they have since the day they were introduced and we used to have heavy salmon runs in our rivers. The only thing that has changed in the last 15 or so years has been the number of almond trees in this state.
Ever since it began service in the late 60's, the CA Aqueduct has bled the Delta of water, and the salmon have declined steadily.
Almond orchard have increased exponentially in the last 15- years, and so has the amount of water they need.
If they don't get Aqueduct water, they pump ground water, and the entire southern San Joaquin Valley is sinking because of that.
Irresponsible, unsustainable agriculture will kill the Delta, and the SJ Valley along with it.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:26 am
by clearlakeoutdoors
They have been removing fish from the forebay for at least 25 years. I stopped there once around 1990 and watched the net guys loading stripers ,largemouth and sturgeon into tank trucks. The driver said they were taking them to Sherman island area for release.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:13 am
by gabuelhaj
Steve wrote:Whoopbass wrote:Steve, i'm just going to put this out there.....STFU. It's obvious your biased. You must have an almond orchard.
I realized I would likely get this type of response from the the post I made. Many of you on here know who I am and know what I do, so I see no need to explain where Im coming from. I will say to Whoopbass that in fact I am one of you, have been for my whole life and always will be. I own nothing but a truck, a boat, and a **** ton of swimbaits. Not biased at all, but Im in the middle of this ****, I know whats going on, and I know the reality of the politics, policy, and permitting compliance requirements of water purveyors that leads to these types of efforts. Im just trying to tell you all how it is, and Im likely one of the few in this community that is on the inside of these types of issues. You can either believe what Im saying, or you can go on your rants which are not based on being educated about whats going on. Really doesnt matter to me. Im not in a position to spell things out in black and white, thats just how politics work. I could answer every question on this thread in extreme detail, but its in my best interest not to do that. However, please feel free to PM me with questions. Its not as bad as many of the uneducated want to make it out to be.
Now, as far as the "tunnels" go, currently known as the Water Fix (Google that), you may want to be concerned about that. We can either move forward as an informed, educated NGO, or we can just go off on silly rants filled with inaccurate accusations and assumptions. The latter will get us no where.
As for me, I just go about my business sticking toads....
What should be more concerning is that the entities involved totally ignore scientific facts to push their agendas for the tunnels:
http://www.restorethedelta.org/2017/06/ ... mendments/
These people know the tunnels will destroy the Ca Delta and surrounding areas and they don't give a Schmitt. Period.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:42 am
by Freefall
gabuelhaj wrote:Steve wrote:Whoopbass wrote:Steve, i'm just going to put this out there.....STFU. It's obvious your biased. You must have an almond orchard.
I realized I would likely get this type of response from the the post I made. Many of you on here know who I am and know what I do, so I see no need to explain where Im coming from. I will say to Whoopbass that in fact I am one of you, have been for my whole life and always will be. I own nothing but a truck, a boat, and a **** ton of swimbaits. Not biased at all, but Im in the middle of this ****, I know whats going on, and I know the reality of the politics, policy, and permitting compliance requirements of water purveyors that leads to these types of efforts. Im just trying to tell you all how it is, and Im likely one of the few in this community that is on the inside of these types of issues. You can either believe what Im saying, or you can go on your rants which are not based on being educated about whats going on. Really doesnt matter to me. Im not in a position to spell things out in black and white, thats just how politics work. I could answer every question on this thread in extreme detail, but its in my best interest not to do that. However, please feel free to PM me with questions. Its not as bad as many of the uneducated want to make it out to be.
Now, as far as the "tunnels" go, currently known as the Water Fix (Google that), you may want to be concerned about that. We can either move forward as an informed, educated NGO, or we can just go off on silly rants filled with inaccurate accusations and assumptions. The latter will get us no where.
As for me, I just go about my business sticking toads....
What should be more concerning is that the entities involved totally ignore scientific facts to push their agendas for the tunnels:
http://www.restorethedelta.org/2017/06/ ... mendments/
These people know the tunnels will destroy the Ca Delta and surrounding areas and they don't give a Schmitt. Period.
I think all of us agree on that. The tunnels will be the exsanguination of the Delta and the ag it produces.
Re: Predatory fish removal from the delta
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:30 am
by MGJR
Y'all - Steve is an insider of the fish community. He hears and sees a lot of **** that he cannot openly comment about. I spent many years doing the same thing - I however, do not have to worry about MY job!
Lets just say this - those who control, or want to control water, do not care about the fishery resources (native or non-native). Its that plain and simple.
More to come - keep your eyes peeled.
MIKE