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Hey Guys,

Got to many e-mails to answer everyone. To see the pictures of the bluegills go to www.thebbz.com and look under forums.

Take Care and "Keep it in the BBZ"


Bill Siemantel

They are not the same lure. It's clear from the two photos, one over the other. At least to my somewhat trained eye.
I wish Bill would post the photos here, so it can be put to bed once and for all.
I'm sure Matt worked hard to make his lure, and Bill worked hard to make his lure.
Matt may have had the original idea for a full size soft plastic bluegill swim bait first (I have two for bed fishing), but the two lures are different, clearly.
Bill's isn't the first or the last to copy the idea.
But he didn't copy the lure.
Guys like Matt will always have a niche, boutique market for their specialty hand made lures. I hope he makes a ton of money for all the hard work he obviously puts into each lure.
Guys like Bill are geared toward the mass market. I don't think Bill wants to hand finish lures for sale.
Different strokes for different folks.
Not better or worse, just different.

They both look great to me. I already have one of Matt's. I'll probably use it this week, Finally getting out.

HAHAHAHA No one could wait to see pics. They just all wanted to bash on the forums.

are you saying it doesn't look exactly like a 3/4 size matt gill?


I dunno biteme.... i think its more telling than the previous photo

but it is a prototype... I'm certain bill would at least consider some changes first to make sure he isn't creating a bait that is too close to Matt's

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Biteme I did not say Bill molded my bait. Please do not make things up. What I said was that he had one of my baits scanned onto a computer. Like I have said before. Once the bait is scanned you have several 3D images of the bait. From there you can make changes. It is obvious he scaled the bait down to make it slightly smaller. I also said that the scan does not pick up the scales and those are cut into the mold afterwards. At least my own baits that I have had scanned did not pick up the scales. My scales were all hand carved and his were machine cut. After viewing these pictures I can see there are a couple very minor cosmetic changes.
So they take my bait scan it make a few minor changes to get a 10% difference. They are not stupid and they know as long as they change a bait by 10% they wont get into legal trouble.
Bill has never denied that my bait was scanned.
I aslo find it odd that it took soo long to get "his" pics up.
It is still obvious that Bill made no atempt at anything resembling an original design. The pictures definatly support that.
I have said all along he did not make a copy of a bluegill. He made a copy of my bluegill. Of all the bluegill baits on the market, only mine and bills require close inspection to tell them apart. Maybe I should just be flattered that he chose mine, but I am not.
Man I was soo done with the bickering but you keep it going.

2 different baits, SAME STYLE. Maybe Bill liked Matts style and went that direction.

http://www.thebbz.com/coppermine/displa ... &cat=0&pos

don't wanna get involved but heres the pics

Having nothing better to do than wait to go fishing and knowing about computers, I took these images and did vector outlines of them. I showed the original size, then after getting exact outlines I scaled them to be the same size then overlaid them. You guys decide.

MY GAWD..................GIVE IT A REST!!!!

Now that's funny. I should get my boat back from the shop tomorrow, be on CL Wednesday, have anymore spots you want to give up Greg?

FishaHallic wrote:

LOL post of the month.

Bill kizer wrote:Now that's funny. I should get my boat back from the shop tomorrow, be on CL Wednesday, have anymore spots you want to give up Greg?

You know this lake better than I do Bill. I'm going tonight at 11:00 p.m. and fish until 9:00 am Tuesday. We'll see... Heading south.

Greg, go fishing dude! You obviously have way too much time on your hands!

Tin Can wrote:Greg, go fishing dude! You obviously have way too much time on your hands!

Okay! Good advice.

catch a few for me Greg, I haven't been fishing in over a week and it's driving me crazy.

Quit Whining! Enough is Enough! I am sure in the world of replicate and duplicate (fishing R&D) We All have something that can be traced back to someone elses design.

If you wanted to show the differences in your baits post them on your site with what 41 members and quit bringing battle in here.

You know one of our Advertisers AC Plugs Released thier bluegill At ICAST. One things for sure they'll get accused of something as well.

DAN wrote:Quit Whining! Enough is Enough! I am sure in the world of replicate and duplicate (fishing R&D) We All have something that can be traced back to someone elses design.

I have a Bait my Grandfather gave me from back in the 50's?. It's in the box and it's simply stamped "GOO GOO EYES". It's a jointed top water bait that has a squeak and knock to it.

I just wanted to reinforce your point Dan. I don't knew either of you personally, but I know who you are. You are embarrassing yourselves and not doing either one of your businesses any good.

Good luck to both of you in the future, seriously!

DAN wrote:
Quit Whining! Enough is Enough! I am sure in the world of replicate and duplicate (fishing R&D) We All have something that can be traced back to someone elses design.


MIKE TREMONT wrote:
I have a Bait my Grandfather gave me from back in the 50's?. It's in the box and it's simply stamped "GOO GOO EYES". It's a jointed top water bait that has a squeak and knock to it.

I just wanted to reinforce your point Dan. I don't knew either of you personally, but I know who you are. You are embarrassing yourselves and not doing either one of your businesses any good.

Good luck to both of you in the future, seriously!


Agreed, sorry

FishaHallic wrote:

Hahahahahhaa

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Bill Siemantel wrote:Hey Guys,

Got to many e-mails to answer everyone. To see the pictures of the bluegills go to www.thebbz.com and look under forums.

Take Care and "Keep it in the BBZ"


Bill Siemantel

SPAM.........nothing like damage control.

Looks Like a Matt Lures BLUEGILL to me.....from all angles.

Ricky-S wrote:Man this horse is starting to be beat to death.

Sounds like a couple guys have been hitting the HATERAID pretty hard this week.

Bottom line is that if you don't like having your baits knocked off then stop producing them for the public. The history of the sport proves that this has, does and will continue to happen to EVERY bait that catches fish.

Sounds like you guys are the ones that need to get over yourself.

Will those without ANY faults cast the first stone.

There are people out being killed and you two are arguing about a darn fishing lure. Sounds like you guys need to go fishing a little more often

After reading these posts I will NEVER buy a Black Dog or Matt Lures bait. To stand up and actually point out a fellow angler for something that happens thousands of times a year is a joke.

Deal with this BS off-line like men and let the rest of us get back to fishing.

Ricky Shabazz

umm..how is this FISHIN ?

100 bass over 10???

damn, pics?

GOOSE ITS TIME WE BUZZ THE TOWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

GREAT BALLS OF FIRE

PIOW PIOW FIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Greg_Cornish wrote:Having nothing better to do than wait to go fishing and knowing about computers, I took these images and did vector outlines of them. I showed the original size, then after getting exact outlines I scaled them to be the same size then overlaid them. You guys decide.

FUNNY HOW ITS SORTA THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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DID SOMEONE JUST SAY

"HOLLA AND PLAYER" IN THE SAME LINE!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Isnt a BLuegill and freaking BLUEGILL...THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK ALIKE...I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE, BAITS LOOK ALIKE, CANT WAIT FOR A CRAPPIE JIG MAKER TO START COMPLAINING ABOUT ANOTHER CRAPPIE JIG MAKER.

Greg_Cornish wrote:Having nothing better to do than wait to go fishing and knowing about computers, I took these images and did vector outlines of them. I showed the original size, then after getting exact outlines I scaled them to be the same size then overlaid them. You guys decide.

Greg...you have tOOOOOOOOO much time on your hands.

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NICE EDIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Ricky-S wrote:That's funny because I also fish when and where I want.

PS-I'd just return anything that you sent me because I don't take product deals and I certainly don't take products from HATERS.

WOW IF THIS IS TRUE WHY TAKE ANYONE'S SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes the resemblance is amazing. Both these bluegill have bodies. eyes and fins. It just freaky.



I tried my crappie and bluegill swimbaits tonight. No hits on either one.

However I did catch fish on Mark Inman's Jigs with a Sweet Beaver trailer. I have to pull weeds off with my teeth and let me tell you... That Procure Craw might taste good to bass but it takes about 30 minutes to get that awful taste out of my mouth. Now I know what Clay Dreyer goes through.

Seriously has anyone ever tried Marie's Blue Cheese salad dressing as a scent?

I cant believe you got procure anywhere near inside your mouth the rainbow trout goop makes my stomach turn!

I don't even like getting that stuff on my hands let alone anywhere near my face!

Greg_Cornish wrote: Seriously has anyone ever tried Marie's Blue Cheese salad dressing as a scent?

I think the Reverend Bob Levy has tried this scent....

you are doing what i like to do... get frustrated, thunk about it, then EDIT the whole thang!

Greg put your baits in fresh coffee grounds, fish seem to like it just fine and it would taste a lot better.

But remember to take them out before you brew a pot.
Plastics don't perk.

MATT LURES , Great product. Bill, good luck, another great product.......seems to me if we don't get spin off's or copies/variations from one lure to another, we would still all be using; creme worms / Warden lures, lucky 13's poppers, sassy shad's etc. We would not have no Hud's, no Robo worms, no Sammy's, no Lucky crafts's and so on...................so why not enjoy the tackle/lure market we have to fich with and stop all the poking, shoving, bitching, complaining....just go out and get the lure you like and prefer and use it...............wow, what a great choice we have...........

only my (2) cents worth without caps.

Jigs