flourcarbon question

[FATGUY]

is flouro 100 % invisable(sp) under water ?? if so why do people downside to 4-6 lb line when water is clear if flouro is invisable why not stay at 10 lb ???

[G-Ko]

I am not expert on this tpic and i am sure another post will answer this question better, but my feeling is that although it is invisible, it still has the same diameter and omits the vibrations. It is amazing what fish can fell and i believe that they feel the line in some instances.

That would be my reasoning for going that small.

Greg

[Blue_R70]

The smaller the line diameter the better the action imparted to your plastics...

[nipples]

Flouro is almost invisible to fish, not completely, but more so than any other line... However I hear that a nick in flouro is more visible than a nick in Mono. But that is just what I hear.

As far as near invisible goes, smaller near invisible is much more invisible than larger near invisible. lol.. I enjoyed typing that confusing bit of jibberish.

But seriously, smaller line is harder to see, has less drag, and therefore less bow in the water. Therefore it is more sensitive than a larger diameter line. During a mush bite it is the difference between feeling a hit and casting and retrieving wonder where the fish are.

But don't take my word for it.. by all means let the fish tell you.

Good Fishing,

-Paul-

[Cooch]

The smaller the line diameter the better the action imparted to your plastics...

I've always wondered about this, since I hear guys use this reasoning often. When fishing 20-90 feet with a dropshop, how does anyone know that thier worm has more action? I've fished a dropshot on 20# fluoro in the Delta using the 5" Yamamoto Kut tails, and have had Clients fishing the same thing on 12# fluoro, and we catch the same number of fish. A lot of times ya can see the fish come grab the worm in the shallow clear areas, and I've not notice the worm working any differently.

I like the less diameter creates less vibrations in the water that aren't picked up by the lateral lines of pressured, shy or inactive fish, theory.

Paul, I have experienced just the opposite with yer Sensativity theory. I used to fish Senkos on 12# Fluoro, I found many of the fish were getting gut hooked because I couldn't feel the bite all the time. I changed to 17# and now I don't have that problem. The thing with Fluoro and it's sensativity, is it has greater density than other lines, hence better sensativity. And the more mass you have in that line, the better the conductor is. I notice the same thing when I'm flippen jigs, I got this one rod I've been using that has 25# fluoro on it, and I can feel the bites so much more clearly than my other three rods with the 20# Fluoro. Plus that 25# fluoro really JUMPS, when a fish strikes.

[Blue_R70]

The smaller the line diameter the better the action imparted to your plastics...

I've always wondered about this, since I hear guys use this reasoning often. When fishing 20-90 feet with a dropshop, how does anyone know that thier worm has more action? I've fished a dropshot on 20# fluoro in the Delta using the 5" Yamamoto Kut tails, and have had Clients fishing the same thing on 12# fluoro, and we catch the same number of fish.

I like the less diameter creates less vibrations in the water that aren't picked up by the lateral lines of pressured, shy or inactive fish, theory.

Sure, the "smaller diameter giving off less vibrations for the fish to detect" theory works for me too.

It just seems kinda intuitive that with a smaller diameter line you also get less resistance/drag in the water, which in turn translates to a a livelier or freer moving bait. And a smaller diameter line made of the same material as the larger one would also seem to be more limp, which could again translate to a livelier bait action. But then again, maybe not!

[MrSkeeter]

From my experience, the reason you would downsize is to adjust your rate of fall of a bait. Bigger, heavier, line will have more surface tension and will fall slower through the water column.

Now there are tradeoffs. The thinner line will allow a bait of the same size and weight to fall more rapidly. However, you can also adjust that fall rate w/ a bigger/heavier bait. For me, I only do this when the bite is really tough and I want to keep the bait small yet when fishing deep, I don't want to wait a whole day for the bait to get to the bottom. Sometimes when fish are suspended in the deep clear water lakes, a slowly falling bait may trigger that strike that you might otherwise have missed.

Thinner, lighter weight line, even w/ fluorocarbon will have more line stretch. There's simply less cross sectional material ... just like a thin rubber band will be easier to stretch than a thick one made from the same material. So before you down size, think about the structure you're fishing. If it's full of rocks and brush, that might not be the best of choices. But ... sometimes, you must sacrifice some terminal tackle in order to hopefully garner that extra bite or two.

[nipples]

Paul, I have experienced just the opposite with yer Sensativity theory.

Here is an example and I think it will help clarify what I said earlier. Let’s say I am fishing a 1 ton @ 80 feet while I move along the contour looking for an aggressive bite. Say I am fishing 10lb Flouro, because of the resistance all that line has in the water, I will have a much larger bow in the line and have to move slower to keep contact with the bottom. That bow in the line also decreases sensitivity. If I switch to 6lb Flouro, my line runs almost straight down with far less bow in the line. This increases sensitivity and will allow me to feel a mush bite far easier.

The lighter line will also change the rate of fall on your lure. Which does impart a different action on the lure. Not so much with a drop shot, but more so with a jig type bait. However that is never my reason for line choice, it's all about depth and clarity.

Granted I would never fish with anything less than 8lb on the delta, I fish with 4 and 6 on Oroville and Shasta all the time. But that is when I am going deep. You are not going to notice much of a difference in 30 feet or less. I fish my Senkos on Oroville and Shasta on 8lb and have never gut hooked a bass. I use 10lb on the delta and have never had the problem either. I also use the W.W. Hook from Reaction, so that may explain that.

But don't take my word for it Cooch. Have Hollywood get his scuba gear out and go down to 80 feet and mush bite a jig for you on 10, 8, 6, and 4lb test while you are slowly working down the bank. He's a BDO and would probably do it for dirt cheep, say a 6 pack of natural lite and a can of beanie weenies... lol

Good fishing and thank you for the different perspective.

-Paul-

[bahlzar]

im sure bassbones has a pic of hollywood scuba divin @ 80 ft....