I just don't understand this site...

[stickbait]

Maybe someone can explain to me why the Mods continue to allow people to bash tournament orgs and directors..in a free for all any thing goes style!!

These slander/ hateful posts should be removed the moument they hit the screeen.. and the posters warned or banned. It sure would be a nicer place around here.. IMO...

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[davet.]

I think they're just airing their opinion. Not really calling anybody a momma's boy with little d!ck or anything.
They could word it more maturely, like, "if Vince runs it, I'm not fishing it!", or something like that. Instead of sounding like a whiner.

$.02

[stickbait]

I think they're just airing their opinion. Not really calling anybody a momma's boy with little d!ck or anything.
They could word it more maturely, like, "if Vince runs it, I'm not fishing it!", or something like that. Instead of sounding like a whiner.

$.02

Ya maybe so....but not following the guide lines of the forum is not right..PERIOD

It seems like every monday or tuseday, I check on this site to see how the fishing was and who did what and someone is bitching about a org...

And I never mentioned Vince, as it happens to all tournaments orgs. And if I am not missaken these orgs pay to advertize for the most part on here.

They do give aways on contests for the anglers on here, which I bet every one enters.

They supply info on the tournaments for the non supporters which I am sure all view.

If someone is not happy.. File a protest... pick up the phone, talk face to face.

There is two sides to every story!!

Man up rather than sit behind a key boards and bash away and if you were not there and just passing second hand info....STFU, because it does get old.

Bashing does no good to this sport we all love.. sponsors get leary to step up, anglers shy away... pay backs get smaller... it just makes no sense why guys what to do this ..your shootin yourself in the foot.

My advise to the know it alls.. if ya don't like whats out there or you think your better at it and have all the right answers .. start your own org.. all you need is a scale and a watch...

[g-man]

So let me get this straight??


So its ok to call someone a Crybaby and bash on someone that has a different oppinion then you.??? And the TDs are gods and must not be talked about in any bad way??


GMAFB! I look at these negative posts as a warning by fellow anglers that have had a negative experiance in a certain org. I don't come on here bashing on any org, but I do use what I read to help me decide what I choose to fish! I see negative posts about certain orgs I stay away. I'm not gonna put my money into anything with that much negativity.... My choice, my oppinion...

[Guest]

I think most of the anglers that complain or whine cant win a tournament and if they think they can do a better job at running these orgs and tournaments then they need to step there butts up and get it done if not then stfu and just go fish or plain and simple stay home.

[some guy]

So you are saying if anglers have a bad experience they shouldnt notify other anglers? I think this website is a great tool to notify the anglers whether its good or bad. You can never have too much information.

Its good to know all the details, good or bad when your money is on the line.

[some guy]

So let me get this straight??


So its ok to call someone a Crybaby and bash on someone that has a different oppinion then you.??? And the TDs are gods and must not be talked about in any bad way??


GMAFB! I look at these negative posts as a warning by fellow anglers that have had a negative experiance in a certain org. I don't come on here bashing on any org, but I do use what I read to help me decide what I choose to fish! I see negative posts about certain orgs I stay away. I'm not gonna put my money into anything with that much negativity.... My choice, my oppinion...

Amen

[some guy]

I think most of the anglers that complain or whine cant win a tournament and if they think they can do a better job at running these orgs and tournaments then they need to step there butts up and get it done if not then stfu and just go fish or plain and simple stay home.

Lets talk hypothetically. Say you are sitting on a winning bag. You are in the hot seat. Scales close at 330. Some guy comes up at 3:35 with a bigger sack and takes the derby down. Are you going to be happy that the TD let the other guy have an extra 5 minutes? How many casts can you make in 5 minutes? Im not saying this happend im just throwing an example out there. You wouldnt want to warn other people about that? You would just let some other guy slide in and get more time on the water than you when your money is on the line?

[stickbait]

[quote="g-man"]So let me get this straight??


So its ok to call someone a Crybaby and bash on someone that has a different oppinion then you.??? And the TDs are gods and must not be talked about in any bad way??


quote]

Your right.. I should have not call "someone" a cry baby..I edited it for you..sorry

[g-man]

So you are saying if anglers have a bad experience they shouldnt notify other anglers? I think this website is a great tool to notify the anglers whether its good or bad. You can never have too much information.

Its good to know all the details, good or bad when your money is on the line.

+1



oh, and Lake Show!

[stickbait]

I think most of the anglers that complain or whine cant win a tournament and if they think they can do a better job at running these orgs and tournaments then they need to step there butts up and get it done if not then stfu and just go fish or plain and simple stay home.

Lets talk hypothetically. Say you are sitting on a winning bag. You are in the hot seat. Scales close at 330. Some guy comes up at 3:35 with a bigger sack and takes the derby down. Are you going to be happy that the TD let the other guy have an extra 5 minutes? How many casts can you make in 5 minutes? Im not saying this happend im just throwing an example out there. You wouldnt want to warn other people about that? You would just let some other guy slide in and get more time on the water than you when your money is on the line?

Hell no I would not be happy .. and I would stand up and say something right there !!! It is call a protest..!! most folks don't have the sack to say anything.. but rather "B" about it on the net..

Let me ask a question... WHY did someone not jump up and down and say something THEN at the tournament... Did you say something at that time.. was it your seat, or your are you speaking for a buddy..??

Not a couple days later via the internet.. we all know that is not going to get anything done...

[some guy]

like I said in my post you quoted. This is HYPOTHETICAL.. I ALSO said " Im not saying this happend" and No im not talking for anyone else other than myself. I dont even know the situation you two are referring to nor do I give two chits. I just saw your post and was confused by your stance. Im looking for some clarification here on why you think its not right for other anglers to educate eachother whether its good or bad?

[some guy]

I think most of the anglers that complain or whine cant win a tournament and if they think they can do a better job at running these orgs and tournaments then they need to step there butts up and get it done if not then stfu and just go fish or plain and simple stay home.

Lets talk hypothetically. Say you are sitting on a winning bag. You are in the hot seat. Scales close at 330. Some guy comes up at 3:35 with a bigger sack and takes the derby down. Are you going to be happy that the TD let the other guy have an extra 5 minutes? How many casts can you make in 5 minutes? Im not saying this happend im just throwing an example out there. You wouldnt want to warn other people about that? You would just let some other guy slide in and get more time on the water than you when your money is on the line?

Hell no I would not be happy .. and I would stand up and say something right there !!! It is call a protest..!! most folks don't have the sack to say anything.. but rather "B" about it on the net..

Let me ask a question... WHY did someone not jump up and down and say something THEN at the tournament... Did you say something at that time.. was it your seat, or your are you speaking for a buddy..??

Not a couple days later via the internet.. we all know that is not going to get anything done...

I for sure would raise hell right then and there.. and if nothing got done I would let everyone and there mother know about my experience. It wouldnt be just on internet either. I would also file a civil suit for the difference in first to second payout.

[some guy]

So you are saying if anglers have a bad experience they shouldnt notify other anglers? I think this website is a great tool to notify the anglers whether its good or bad. You can never have too much information.

Its good to know all the details, good or bad when your money is on the line.

+1



oh, and Lake Show!

LAAAAAAKE SHOOOOOOOW!

[stickbait]

. Im looking for some clarification here on why you think its not right for other anglers to educate eachother whether its good or bad?

It's pretty simple.. I think..


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[Guest]

Well the guy that weight in at 3:35 was the td buddy then I bet they split the money too. And again if you are going to fish tournament that has weigh ins ever hour its going to keep happen its been going on for along time now so its no suprise it will happen again and again .AGAIN IF YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY VINCE RUNS HIS TOURNAMENTS THEN DONT FISH THEM ITS THAT SIMPLE he seem too always have good turn outs at most of his tournaments so he doing something right . Same here if you dont like my jigs i build dont buy them i dont give a dam if you do or dont really. GEZZZZZZZZZ

[stickbait]

Lets talk hypothetically. Say you are sitting on a winning bag. You are in the hot seat. Scales close at 330. Some guy comes up at 3:35 with a bigger sack and takes the derby down. Are you going to be happy that the TD let the other guy have an extra 5 minutes? How many casts can you make in 5 minutes? Im not saying this happend im just throwing an example out there. You wouldnt want to warn other people about that? You would just let some other guy slide in and get more time on the water than you when your money is on the line?

Hell no I would not be happy .. and I would stand up and say something right there !!! It is call a protest..!! most folks don't have the sack to say anything.. but rather "B" about it on the net..

Let me ask a question... WHY did someone not jump up and down and say something THEN at the tournament... Did you say something at that time.. was it your seat, or your are you speaking for a buddy..??

Not a couple days later via the internet.. we all know that is not going to get anything done...

I for sure would raise hell right then and there.. and if nothing got done I would let everyone and there mother know about my experience. It wouldnt be just on internet either.

I agree with you and you have the right to do that, because you address it face to face for your answers... but this "hypothetically event" you are talking about, the BBD.. I'll bet nothing was said at the tournamnet.. and it should have been... it should have been handled then.. and if there was some kind of fowl play and rule changing all anglers could have addressed it.. not a couple days later via the internet while a few guys try to be judge and jury with alot of dog piling information.

[biteme]

I think they're just airing their opinion. Not really calling anybody a momma's boy with little d!ck or anything.
They could word it more maturely, like, "if Vince runs it, I'm not fishing it!", or something like that. Instead of sounding like a whiner.

$.02

I agree

[sker13]

oh well you got your wish and the thread has been pulled....I hear you whining loud and clear.....Whining about whiners?...And I guess if someone is a sponsor of this site they can do whatever they want with impunity and nobody should say how they feel about the situation if they aren't directly involved. Anglers talk..Here or elsewhere does it really matter? Only if you (this site) are getting revenue. I really don't get your purpose in this thread other than having Vince's back. Quote the rules all you want. Doesn't change what happened or how people feel about it. Deleting threads doesn't change the facts.

[stickbait]

[quote="sker13"]...And I guess if someone is a sponsor of this site they can do whatever they want with impunity and nobody should say how they feel about the situation if they aren't directly involved.
[/quote[color=red

But see your wrong, the sponsors are NOT doing anything. They are paying to be a punching bag for someone that wants to complain via a key board.. and they are constantly called out to defend themselfs.

The sponsors don't get on here and bash someone for their post or bounced check at a tournament or many crazy things the retail public do.. I bet if the Tds would start a list of the stupid issues they deal with daily .. we would all be red faced.

They do pay and paying to advertise does have some rights.. and rules are rules.. if you want some of them rights pony up some coin..

OH...Looks like more than one thread has been pulled...

I hope the owners of this site and the mods take my concerns to heart and delete every post slandering any org or tournamnet director.. as I said it is not good for our sport, sponsors, anglers or this site... PERIOD!

If you want to complain to your buddies do it via phone or email/pm.. cause I for one am tired of reading it..

Oh and for the record.. I don't have Vinces back..never talked to the man, I have never fished his tournamnets.. wish I could..

[kissmybass]

I rarely post on this site because it seems mostly people complain. If anyone had a problem with the BBB tournament, they had TWO days to protest. The winner won a key on day 1, in the first couple of hours. TWO days to complain IN PERSON if you felt there was an issue.

Whether or not sponsor's pay for this board, it is completely counterproductive to come on here after the fact and complain, especially when you had a chance to do so AT THE EVENT. I presume everyone on here is an adult and I encourage you all to put yourself in the shoes of whomever you are complaining about or bashing before you start doing it. Or better yet, rather then sit on here and type, go out and MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. You dont like a tournament system, fine. Put in the work TD's have and start a new one. Make it everything you want it to be. Go out and solicit sponsors and make changes happen OR ask the TD how you can help and get involved. See if you can make ALL anglers happy ALL of the time.

Actions ALWAYS speak louder than words folks.

[Terry Smith]

BLA!!!!!!!!!! BLA !!!!!!!!!!!BLA!!!!!!!!!! BLA !!!!!!!!!!BLA!!!!!!!!! BLA!!!!!!!!SAME OLD THING ANOTHER DAY!!!!!!!! BLA!!!!!!!!!! BLA !!!!!!!!!!!BLA!!!!!!!!!! BLA !!!!!!!!!!BLA!!!!!!!!! BLA!!!!!!!! Can't we find something better to talk about?????? OH and trust me people do get warnings from the moderators and banned!!!!!! Not that I would know personally

[sker13]

One last comment then I'm done....Some people need to look up the definition of slander and understand the meaning of the word. Bashing is up for interpretation but slander really isn't. I haven't heard anyone dispute that the situation in question happened so I will believe it based on my past experience. If it happened as some have said then it is not the way a tournament should be run ever. Maybe I'll fish the Snag Proof and maybe I won't. It has always been a great event in the past from what I know. No matter what you still have to catch fish to cash a check. If it only bothers you if you are the looser than you are the ones hurting the sport not the ones speaking their minds. Anglers should stand together and hold TD's and Orgs responsible for their actions not back bite each other!

[stickbait]

.Some people need to look up the definition of slander and understand the meaning of the word. Bashing is up for interpretation but slander really isn't.

Yep your right about slander.. bashing is more of a slang term..and can be used many ways, but we all know what it means..

Slander


Definition: Slander
Slander
Noun
1. Words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another.

2. The act of defaming.

Verb
1. Charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and reputation of someone; "The journalists have defamed me!" The article in the paper sullied my reputation".

Source: WordNet 1.7.1 Copyright © 2001 by Princeton University. All rights reserved.

[kissmybass]

Interpretation is really the root of the problem with most of the angry comments on this board. In all, people should not complain here and complain in person during events. Clearly in this situation there was a different "interpretation" of rules which was the basis for all of the bashing in the first place. SPEAK UP people, IN PERSON.

[sker13]

Key word in the definition is "FALSELY".

[Terry Smith]

The weather is starting to get A little warmer. Almost spring like conditions outside.

[stickbait]

The weather is starting to get A little warmer. Almost spring like conditions outside.

Yep.. and I think we will be getting another wave of big ol sow bass moving up..one more time.... go get em !!

[sker13]

Can't wait till they are thick under the mats. It won't be long!

[kissmybass]

And note Sker13 it also says "Charge falsely OR with malicious intent" Not AND. Slander is either or and this board often displays "malicious intent" towards anglers and TD's alike.

[Terry Smith]

Can't wait till they are thick under the mats. It won't be long!

NO NO NO!!!!!!! I can't catch my fish under those mats!!!!! PLEASE JUST ONE MORE WEEK OF THIS WEATHER!!!!!!!!!! Yes I here that A hole WADDA big girls are moving up as we speak!!!

[AJC]

As far as filing a protest; Do you think it's fair, as I believe was pointed out in a previously deleted post, to charge $150 to file a protest in this economy? Call me unexperienced but from what I've heard this was what is considered in the rules as a judgement call for the TD. So a offended party is supposed to pay $150 to have the TD determine whether or not they(the TD) were in the wrong? help me understand this, I'm going by what has been said on this site in the past week, which was never said to be untrue; just labled as whining by a few. I don't get it, if people are telling lies then yes. that is slander, however slander by definition as was pointed out is to "charge falsely or words falsely spoken" So far I've heard cries of whining but yet nobidy who has said people are whining have said that those same people are twisting or straight changing the facts. Please quote somebody and call them a liar (thus a slanderer) or STFU! I consider this type of a post as I whining post as no facts have been quoted as LIES or SLANDER by the person that started this. Please do correct me and inform me if I'm wrong. I didn't fish the BBC but know peeps who did. I do agree however that this type of info IF true should be passed on to fellow anglers and that this website is a good tool for that. Do you really think that WB would want to continually be associated with a org that ran shady tourneys? Again I'm not sayin this is the case BUT nothin has been shown to dispute this. Your thought please.....[/quote]

[tunaman]

I hope the owners of this site and the mods take my concerns to heart and delete every post slandering any org or tournamnet director.. as I said it is not good for our sport, sponsors, anglers or this site... PERIOD!

Ain't gonna happen any time soon, because as soon as we step in and start moderating we get bashed for overly sensoring the site. We can't win.

So, we nowadays tend to lean towards the far side, and mostly let the citizenry here self-moderate unless it is extremely over the top.

We care, but we also don't want to suffer the constant accusations of being overtly draconian.

We also try to offer up this site as a place where dissenting opinions can be shared and discussed, even debated in an orderly fasion. I for one don't stand up for anyone, just because they're a site sponsor, tournament director, big mucky-muck in the industry... unless the boss calls me and says I need to pull a post for sensible reasons I will allow each and all to defend themselves in a mature manner (or just ignore the posts and hope they go away).

Roger

[mark poulson]

Roger,
It's all Cooch's fault anyway!

[Dom]

Stickbait you have been around along time as I have and over the years we have seen the bashing of fellow nutcases,tournament orgs.,products and companies. with that being said you have to stand back and take a look from the outside in.

Before the internet we had nothing but face to face you could tell by the look on someones face or thier body language that either they were up to no good or they were just messin with ya. Now when the internet hit it gave everyone the opertunity to say what ever they wanted no matter if out of malice or fun.

You remember my threads I would get going hundreds of hits on every post I posted I would stir the pot for intertainment you can ask all my close friends Jeremy Anderson being one and Ron sees, Gary Watts. Back then I would call em up and say WATCH THIS

I ment no harm but had a blast at watching everyone getting thier feathers ruffled. I even have been on the opp. side of it all had my feathers ruffled a few times.

Point is post were deleted, warning were given the mods did all they could do to try and keep it civil. They caught crap from every side no matter what they did. So the lesson learned was you can not please everyone all the time.

As this site GREW and GREW and GREW the mods got to know the pot stirers and the A-holes and knew who was doing what so the mods kind of went with it to a point thats when people were calling the mods and the people "Clicks" and they caught more crap for it.

If you Bass fish in Northern California then your on this site or have been one time or another and you have come to know the people and all the orgs. When I read a post about someone bashing someone else or a tournament org. I just take it with stride no big deal that person just had a bad day and wants to bitch, hey we all have bad days.

A TD is not intentionally going to screw over its members its bad biz. and the thing with Vince H. Man I have known Vince for years he has worked his *** off to bring the Nor=Cal anglers fun and exciting tournaments to fish, is he PERFECT ? Hell No, NO ONE IS!

If I make a mistake at work I am the first to stand up and say hey I screwed up becuase my moto to my boss is " I aint perfect, If I was then you would not be able to afford me"

I have been on the recieving end of having that bad day we had a FPT tourn. on Clear Lake one year and I cuaght every bit of a 7+ lb bass but the scales were off and wieghed it in at like 4+ while Justin Lucas 4+ wieghed in at 7+ yea the scales were off but what could the TD do we had no other scales and the line was long so they just went with it was I pissed yea but I got over it and we went on to win the Delta that year and kicked butt all top 5 and 10 finishes and qualified for the TOC

So let people vent let em have their bad days it's life.

On the other hand I take product and cust. service bashings to heart I want to know if a rod is junk or if the cust. service sucks. What lure is knockin em dead and which ones are just a gimmic.

I get upset when a post like that is deleted as a consumer of products the only tool we got is word of mouth.

So I say take it all in stride and dont stress to much over it.

[stickbait]

I hope the owners of this site and the mods take my concerns to heart and delete every post slandering any org or tournamnet director.. as I said it is not good for our sport, sponsors, anglers or this site... PERIOD!

Ain't gonna happen any time soon, because as soon as we step in and start moderating we get bashed for overly sensoring the site. We can't win.

So, we nowadays tend to lean towards the far side, and mostly let the citizenry here self-moderate unless it is extremely over the top.

We care, but we also don't want to suffer the constant accusations of being overtly draconian.

We also try to offer up this site as a place where dissenting opinions can be shared and discussed, even debated in an orderly fasion. I for one don't stand up for anyone, just because they're a site sponsor, tournament director, big mucky-muck in the industry... unless the boss calls me and says I need to pull a post for sensible reasons I will allow each and all to defend themselves in a mature manner (or just ignore the posts and hope they go away).

Roger

Some simply amazing statements right there ... (or just ignore the posts and hope they go away).

A Moderator that condons all the drama...I feel sorry for your advertisers..I really do..

Bass Fishermen are a funny bunch.. mostly all blow and no go.. they get all puffed up and no show

Step on some toes a few more times.. oh ya a few will cry and stomp their feet.. and pout, act like the 5 year olds they are but at some point they will understand that this sport does not need this kind of press.

They may threaten to go to other sites and other threats, but I promise you they will be back.. its the nature of the beast!!

You will NEVER here any bashing nor slander of any kind via the internet from guys like Gary D, Kent B, Andy C, Tony S, Mark M..

WHY??? Because these guys are professionals, they are the leaders in this sport on the west coast and they now from years of experience what it means to repersent this sport..

Someone on this site understands my concerns, stepped up and deleted a few of the bashing/slanderest posts.. maybe ya should check with the boss...

[stickbait]

Stickbait you have been around along time as I have and over the years we have seen the bashing of fellow nutcases,tournament orgs.,products and companies. with that being said you have to stand back and take a look from the outside in.

Before the internet we had nothing but face to face you could tell by the look on someones face or thier body language that either they were up to no good or they were just messin with ya. Now when the internet hit it gave everyone the opertunity to say what ever they wanted no matter if out of malice or fun.

You remember my threads I would get going hundreds of hits on every post I posted I would stir the pot for intertainment you can ask all my close friends Jeremy Anderson being one and Ron sees, Gary Watts. Back then I would call em up and say WATCH THIS

I ment no harm but had a blast at watching everyone getting thier feathers ruffled. I even have been on the opp. side of it all had my feathers ruffled a few times.

Point is post were deleted, warning were given the mods did all they could do to try and keep it civil. They caught crap from every side no matter what they did. So the lesson learned was you can not please everyone all the time.

As this site GREW and GREW and GREW the mods got to know the pot stirers and the A-holes and knew who was doing what so the mods kind of went with it to a point thats when people were calling the mods and the people "Clicks" and they caught more crap for it.

If you Bass fish in Northern California then your on this site or have been one time or another and you have come to know the people and all the orgs. When I read a post about someone bashing someone else or a tournament org. I just take it with stride no big deal that person just had a bad day and wants to bitch, hey we all have bad days.

A TD is not intentionally going to screw over its members its bad biz. and the thing with Vince H. Man I have known Vince for years he has worked his *** off to bring the Nor=Cal anglers fun and exciting tournaments to fish, is he PERFECT ? Hell No, NO ONE IS!

If I make a mistake at work I am the first to stand up and say hey I screwed up becuase my moto to my boss is " I aint perfect, If I was then you would not be able to afford me"

I have been on the recieving end of having that bad day we had a FPT tourn. on Clear Lake one year and I cuaght every bit of a 7+ lb bass but the scales were off and wieghed it in at like 4+ while Justin Lucas 4+ wieghed in at 7+ yea the scales were off but what could the TD do we had no other scales and the line was long so they just went with it was I pissed yea but I got over it and we went on to win the Delta that year and kicked butt all top 5 and 10 finishes and qualified for the TOC

So let people vent let em have their bad days it's life.

On the other hand I take product and cust. service bashings to heart I want to know if a rod is junk or if the cust. service sucks. What lure is knockin em dead and which ones are just a gimmic.

I get upset when a post like that is deleted as a consumer of products the only tool we got is word of mouth.

So I say take it all in stride and dont stress to much over it.

Har Har.. ya ...you were quit the pot stirrer, but it looks like you have grown up and are understanding what the sport is about..

The best post I remember about Ol Dom was when your boat was stolen at clearlake...

[bryanmc]

So let me get this straight. You're coming on the forum to complain about people who come on the forum to complain? <PRICELESS>

Perhaps you should contact the folks you disagree with directly (your own advice) instead of getting on the forum and contributing to the types of posts your against....

I'm just sayin'...

[stickbait]

So let me get this straight. You're coming on the forum to complain about people who come on the forum to complain? <PRICELESS>

Perhaps you should contact the folks you disagree with directly (your own advice) instead of getting on the forum and contributing to the types of posts your against....

I'm just sayin'...

Yep... and I'm just sayin'.. maybe some day you'll understand..

Oh and I never said this...

""""Perhaps you should contact the folks you disagree with directly (your own advice)""""

And you need to go back and reread my post.. I am asking for forum rules to be followed...

Remember the old saying.. if your not part of the solution, ya must be part of the problem..

[Dom]

Stickbait you have been around along time as I have and over the years we have seen the bashing of fellow nutcases,tournament orgs.,products and companies. with that being said you have to stand back and take a look from the outside in.

Before the internet we had nothing but face to face you could tell by the look on someones face or thier body language that either they were up to no good or they were just messin with ya. Now when the internet hit it gave everyone the opertunity to say what ever they wanted no matter if out of malice or fun.

You remember my threads I would get going hundreds of hits on every post I posted I would stir the pot for intertainment you can ask all my close friends Jeremy Anderson being one and Ron sees, Gary Watts. Back then I would call em up and say WATCH THIS

I ment no harm but had a blast at watching everyone getting thier feathers ruffled. I even have been on the opp. side of it all had my feathers ruffled a few times.

Point is post were deleted, warning were given the mods did all they could do to try and keep it civil. They caught crap from every side no matter what they did. So the lesson learned was you can not please everyone all the time.

As this site GREW and GREW and GREW the mods got to know the pot stirers and the A-holes and knew who was doing what so the mods kind of went with it to a point thats when people were calling the mods and the people "Clicks" and they caught more crap for it.

If you Bass fish in Northern California then your on this site or have been one time or another and you have come to know the people and all the orgs. When I read a post about someone bashing someone else or a tournament org. I just take it with stride no big deal that person just had a bad day and wants to bitch, hey we all have bad days.

A TD is not intentionally going to screw over its members its bad biz. and the thing with Vince H. Man I have known Vince for years he has worked his *** off to bring the Nor=Cal anglers fun and exciting tournaments to fish, is he PERFECT ? Hell No, NO ONE IS!

If I make a mistake at work I am the first to stand up and say hey I screwed up becuase my moto to my boss is " I aint perfect, If I was then you would not be able to afford me"

I have been on the recieving end of having that bad day we had a FPT tourn. on Clear Lake one year and I cuaght every bit of a 7+ lb bass but the scales were off and wieghed it in at like 4+ while Justin Lucas 4+ wieghed in at 7+ yea the scales were off but what could the TD do we had no other scales and the line was long so they just went with it was I pissed yea but I got over it and we went on to win the Delta that year and kicked butt all top 5 and 10 finishes and qualified for the TOC

So let people vent let em have their bad days it's life.

On the other hand I take product and cust. service bashings to heart I want to know if a rod is junk or if the cust. service sucks. What lure is knockin em dead and which ones are just a gimmic.

I get upset when a post like that is deleted as a consumer of products the only tool we got is word of mouth.

So I say take it all in stride and dont stress to much over it.

Har Har.. ya ...you were quit the pot stirrer, but it looks like you have grown up and are understanding what the sport is about..

The best post I remember about Ol Dom was when your boat was stolen at clearlake...

LMAO, Yea that was a learning experience for sure we still look back on that one and crack-up boy my fuse was lit on that one I really wish when NCBF Changed and went to Westerbass that all the original stuff was still on here I would love to go back and reminicse and see how much I have grown up and matured

[stickbait]

Stickbait you have been around along time as I have and over the years we have seen the bashing of fellow nutcases,tournament orgs.,products and companies. with that being said you have to stand back and take a look from the outside in.

Before the internet we had nothing but face to face you could tell by the look on someones face or thier body language that either they were up to no good or they were just messin with ya. Now when the internet hit it gave everyone the opertunity to say what ever they wanted no matter if out of malice or fun.

You remember my threads I would get going hundreds of hits on every post I posted I would stir the pot for intertainment you can ask all my close friends Jeremy Anderson being one and Ron sees, Gary Watts. Back then I would call em up and say WATCH THIS

I ment no harm but had a blast at watching everyone getting thier feathers ruffled. I even have been on the opp. side of it all had my feathers ruffled a few times.

Point is post were deleted, warning were given the mods did all they could do to try and keep it civil. They caught crap from every side no matter what they did. So the lesson learned was you can not please everyone all the time.

As this site GREW and GREW and GREW the mods got to know the pot stirers and the A-holes and knew who was doing what so the mods kind of went with it to a point thats when people were calling the mods and the people "Clicks" and they caught more crap for it.

If you Bass fish in Northern California then your on this site or have been one time or another and you have come to know the people and all the orgs. When I read a post about someone bashing someone else or a tournament org. I just take it with stride no big deal that person just had a bad day and wants to bitch, hey we all have bad days.

A TD is not intentionally going to screw over its members its bad biz. and the thing with Vince H. Man I have known Vince for years he has worked his *** off to bring the Nor=Cal anglers fun and exciting tournaments to fish, is he PERFECT ? Hell No, NO ONE IS!

If I make a mistake at work I am the first to stand up and say hey I screwed up becuase my moto to my boss is " I aint perfect, If I was then you would not be able to afford me"

I have been on the recieving end of having that bad day we had a FPT tourn. on Clear Lake one year and I cuaght every bit of a 7+ lb bass but the scales were off and wieghed it in at like 4+ while Justin Lucas 4+ wieghed in at 7+ yea the scales were off but what could the TD do we had no other scales and the line was long so they just went with it was I pissed yea but I got over it and we went on to win the Delta that year and kicked butt all top 5 and 10 finishes and qualified for the TOC

So let people vent let em have their bad days it's life.

On the other hand I take product and cust. service bashings to heart I want to know if a rod is junk or if the cust. service sucks. What lure is knockin em dead and which ones are just a gimmic.

I get upset when a post like that is deleted as a consumer of products the only tool we got is word of mouth.

So I say take it all in stride and dont stress to much over it.

Har Har.. ya ...you were quit the pot stirrer, but it looks like you have grown up and are understanding what the sport is about..

The best post I remember about Ol Dom was when your boat was stolen at clearlake...

LMAO, Yea that was a learning experience for sure we still look back on that one and crack-up boy my fuse was lit on that one I really wish when NCBF Changed and went to Westerbass that all the original stuff was still on here I would love to go back and reminicse and see how much I have grown up and matured

Thanks Dom... Heres to the old days...

[Brian]

So let me get this straight. You're coming on the forum to complain about people who come on the forum to complain? <PRICELESS>

Perhaps you should contact the folks you disagree with directly (your own advice) instead of getting on the forum and contributing to the types of posts your against....

I'm just sayin'...

Yea, No kidding @ Stick

[stickbait]

So let me get this straight. You're coming on the forum to complain about people who come on the forum to complain? <PRICELESS>

Perhaps you should contact the folks you disagree with directly (your own advice) instead of getting on the forum and contributing to the types of posts your against....

I'm just sayin'...

Yea, No kidding @ Stick

DOG PILE !!!!!!

[Brian]

So let me get this straight. You're coming on the forum to complain about people who come on the forum to complain? <PRICELESS>

Perhaps you should contact the folks you disagree with directly (your own advice) instead of getting on the forum and contributing to the types of posts your against....

I'm just sayin'...

Yea, No kidding @ Stick

DOG PILE !!!!!!

[FinesseKid]

Tournament organizers are not here to share their opinion, they are here to make $$$$$$

Therefore, they open themselves to opinions they may not like. I certainly dont see a problem with that.


What you are saying is that if someone comes here selling a hamburger, they should not be criticized in this forum by someone who bought their hamburger and thought it sucked.