How easy would it be to cheat in ca delta tournaments?With no referees it is not considered a sport!

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How easy would it be to cheat in ca delta tournaments?With no referees it is not considered a sport!

Postby serina_mikaelson » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:29 am

I gotta know how much cheating is going on in the delta, us as west coast anglers got to get up with the times at least a go pro running at all times from the back of the boat, it could be as easy as a tournament official giving a number on card before the tournaments that the boater would have to show to the camera before first cast, Just my opinion
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Postby WRB » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:04 am

Fish draw tournaments, not team tournaments.
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Postby BigBassDaddy1190 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:50 am

serina_mikaelson wrote:I gotta know how much cheating is going on in the delta, us as west coast anglers got to get up with the times at least a go pro running at all times from the back of the boat from yolo tek aquastick that plugs in your rear light port,it could be as easy as a tournament official giving a number on card before the tournaments that the boater would have to show to the camera before first cast, Just my opinion

If you are worried about it then don’t fish tournaments. Cheaters are everywhere in life and even more common when money is involved.

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Postby BigD » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:52 am

Must sell yolo tek aquastick :roll:

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Postby mark poulson » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:07 am

Like Big Bass Daddy said, there will always be people trying to cheat when there's money involved.
Everyone's comfort level is different, in terms of how we think cheating should be handled.
Call whichever tournament trail you're interested in fishing, and ask them how they handle cheating. Then you can decide if you'd feel comfortable fishing with them.
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Re: How easy would it be to cheat in ca delta tournaments?With no referees it is not considered a sport!

Postby ash » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:35 am

BigD wrote:Must sell yolo tek aquastick :roll:


Yup there does seem like an agenda here, didnt you bring up this topic last week and it was discussed what the costs and impacts would be. Here is what I know to be true in any open market capitalist society. If you think there is a problem and you have a solution bring it to the market place and let the market determine it's needs.

If you are actively fishing a tournament circuit and have concerns about inferious actions within this circuit then reach out to THAT organization and work with them. But please do not create a broad stroke acquisition and assertions about the entire tournament scene it does not benefit anyone.

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Postby WB Staff » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:31 pm

Logistics... (time, money and effort)

How would the tournament officials pay for all the cam equip?

Who would be responsible for paying for the equip when it was damaged, when it was lost and for the time to instruct all participants on the equip's proper setup and use?

Who would pay to insure that much equip? Who would pay for the liability insurance if someone claims they are injured by the equip or if there is a claim that someone's boat or gear was damaged by the equip?

Who would be responsible for reviewing all the footage... 8 hours per boat per event to "review" footage? 160 hours for a small 20 boat event 1200 hours for a large 150 boat event? How would the "footage reviewers" be reimbursed for their time? AT minimum wage of $12 per hour in SJCO (reviewing 8 hours of footage) is a cost to the event of $96 per boat per event or $180 for minimum wage of $15 per hour if you over the hill in the bay's counties.

Example: $96 per boat for a 20 boat event is $1920, if it comes out of the pot? That is nearly half the pot on a $200 entry fee for 20 boats and that's if there is no payroll tax/worker's comp etc. factored into that "reviewer's" pay.

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Postby ILW » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:09 pm

Getting my 2 cents in on the with no referees it is not considered a sport part of this title.

Had a similar discussion about poker, curling and a few other things being a sport or not and ended up reading this article. In the end I dont see what a referee has to do with fishing being a sport but the article was interesting.

Not sure if I should post the article or the link so heres both. Mods delete one or the other if it is wrong.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leighstein ... 87955f2d66

The emergence of E-Sports and ESPN's televising of Cornhole and Poker triggered a major argument in my office about what activities legitmately constitute a "sport". At a certain level there is no arbritator or Commissioner of Sport to provide a definitive answer. Is any competition, which is on television and billed as a sport, a sport? Does the entire body need to be involved, does it need physical exertion, does reliance on a machine to provide the locomotion disqualify it? The massive expansion of sports channels requires increasing amount of content to fill the 24 hour void, so there will be more new activities advertised as sports. There are sports purists who maintain that the basic integrity of sports is undermined by the expanding definition. Does it even matter, if the activity is entertaining?

Dictionary.com defines sport as "an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess". It goes on to specifically mention "racing, baseball, tennis, golf bowling, wrestling, hunting and fishing" as sports. Oxford Dictionary defines sport as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or a team competes against another or others for entertainment". By the latter definition, hunting does not qualify as a sport because it does not involve competition. But hunters bill themselves as "sportsmen". Does the ability to cast and reel in qualify fishing as a sport? There are televised fishing competitions.

What about E-Sports? It certainly claims to be a sport in its billing. It involves exertion of the brain, and there is certainly a need for fast reflexes and dexterity in operating the controller. It is competitive and millions of people are entertained. The players would maintain that they are as much athletes as race car drivers, because both activities involve skill and dexterity in operating a machine. Of course there are fans who will argue that the propulsion in racing is supplied by the car. However real athleticism is displayed in the ability to sit in a tiny bucket at top speed and still operate a vehicle in an efficient way without crashing.

Is "Cornhole" a sport? Yes, because it requires delivering a beanbag with hand-eye coordination and superior depth perception. That also applies to horseshoe, curling, darts and lawn bowling. ESPN presents poker as a sport. There is certainly significant brain power involved, but physical exertion, not very much. Shuffling and dealing does not take much physical dexterity (although shuffling from the bottom of the deck may qualify).

"America Ninja Warrior" is a recently invented sport. It involves tremendous athletic skill and exertion and is competitive. Another sports event which was developed for television are Superstar-competitions. Every iteration of that concept would qualify. One of the keys to building the popularity of a sport event is the extent to which fans perceive the activity has athletic qualities which are displayed on an even field with competitors trying as hard as they can to win. This is the key to fantasy leagues and all athletic betting. Professional wrestling is scripted and choreographed. The athletic skill is certainly there, but fans would certainly not risk time or money guessing at the outcome.

The degree that a televised entertainment qualifies as a sport may affect the drawing power and viewership of that activity. What qualifies as a true sport may be the grist for endless arguments, and the only certainty may be in the eye of the beholder.

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Postby sdisturber » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:27 pm

So how long have you worked for go pro or is it just stock options. Look at the good ,tactical bassin video on the industry helping out paradise bass club fishermen that lost everything in the big fire or Mindi Nevarez-Goodson or Don Reighley that both work with high school age kids and get them rides on the water. Maybe you should take up bowling

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Postby MichaelB » Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:05 pm

serina_mikaelson wrote:I gotta know how much cheating is going on in the delta, us as west coast anglers got to get up with the times at least a go pro running at all times from the back of the boat, it could be as easy as a tournament official giving a number on card before the tournaments that the boater would have to show to the camera before first cast, Just my opinion

This is your second implausible post on this topic.
How do you propose a team, fishing a $200 "all-in" Tournament is going to respond to a requirement to pitch in another $200 plus the cost of equipment to fund your video oversight scheme ? Maybe BBT or FPT or NewJen could just rent a satellite from the CIA to provide your requisite peace of mind. If this is such a troubling circumstance, perhaps novice level Tournament fishing just is not for you.

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Postby BigBassDaddy1190 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:19 pm

MichaelB wrote:
serina_mikaelson wrote:I gotta know how much cheating is going on in the delta, us as west coast anglers got to get up with the times at least a go pro running at all times from the back of the boat, it could be as easy as a tournament official giving a number on card before the tournaments that the boater would have to show to the camera before first cast, Just my opinion

This is your second implausible post on this topic.
How do you propose a team, fishing a $200 "all-in" Tournament is going to respond to a requirement to pitch in another $200 plus the cost of equipment to fund your video oversight scheme ? Maybe BBT or FPT or NewJen could just rent a satellite from the CIA to provide your requisite peace of mind. If this is such a troubling circumstance, perhaps novice level Tournament fishing just is not for you.
I applaud this :P

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Postby JoeLanghans » Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:49 pm

Why are you asking random questions for no reason :roll: I’m not trying to be rude but every one of your posts is an off the wall random or obvious question.... of course people cheat in tournaments, especially on the Delta, doesn’t mean they’re going to win.

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Postby DDG » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:54 pm

serina_mikaelson wrote:I gotta know how much cheating is going on in the delta, us as west coast anglers got to get up with the times at least a go pro running at all times from the back of the boat, it could be as easy as a tournament official giving a number on card before the tournaments that the boater would have to show to the camera before first cast, Just my opinion


Easy, Dont focus on cheaters. Focus on YOUR game and what it takes to win a tournament. If youre passionate about the sport (which it is) you will focus on excelling at this sport. If an individual does cheat, its on them and they will have to live with it.

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Postby biteme » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:10 pm

Pretty easy, I bought a boat with a built in live well in the front compartment.

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Postby Andrew5414 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:32 pm

biteme wrote:Pretty easy, I bought a boat with a built in live well in the front compartment.


Don’t have to worry about front livewells luckily with bbt that Kevin runs motherlode and central division his crew does a great job looking in every compartment of the boat.

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Postby jiggin4bass » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:48 pm

This is it team tournament fishing seem like very year somebody is accused of cheating in some form of fishing tournament. You can cheat in Nascar nhra baseball football basketball fishing but one sport you can't cheat in is Bowling it can't be done. A Bowling ball company have tried a few months ago and if didn't work and they had too replace alot of bowling ball too there customers. It cost them dearly.But they owned up to their mistake and corrected it quickly. All is good now. So if your feeling guilty don't fish team tournaments. Fish pro/am only.
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Postby Fish Trap » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:50 am

Fished in the Chamber Tournament and my friend was out Crappie Fishing on that Sunday. I talked to him after the tournament to see how the crappie fishing went. He said he saw about a 4 plus pound bass swimming around on the surface and it was hurt. He saw a competitor in the tournament drive over to it, net it, weigh it, and cull one of his bass out of his livewell with this hurt bass. Cheating! It happens.


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