Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

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Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby mark poulson » Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:11 am

ICYMI 1/26/21: Saving the Tuolumne, “River’s End” film

Today, we call your attention to an op-ed by our friends at NRDC and Golden State Salmon on why the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission must be led by someone who values the San Joaquin River, its tributaries, and the San Francisco Bay-Delta estuary. Also, San Francisco Baykeeper was part of a wonderful documentary called River's End. It picks up in many ways where Restore the Delta's Over Troubled Waters left off in 2012.

San Francisco: Save the river you drink from – Opinion: San Francisco Chronicle 1/26/21
“The science is clear that the Tuolumne and its native fish and wildlife will never recover without leaving more water in the river. Other water agencies around the state have shown how San Francisco can thrive while taking less water from the Tuolumne by investing in smart, 21st century water tools like water recycling — tools that also improve our adaptation to climate change and resilience to drought, while protecting wildlife. But here again, the SFPUC lags far behind…
“San Franciscans have always supported doing our part to protect the environment. It is disgraceful that a city agency acts in our name to promote policies that wipe out our native salmon runs, kill the river that supplies us with drinking water, and undermine the fishing industry that created Fisherman’s Wharf. It is even more disturbing that the SFPUC stood idly by while its partners urged the Trump administration to block environmental protections for fish and wildlife in the river and downstream waters."

River's End: California's Latest Water War – Wild and Scenic Film Festival
Award Winner: Jury Award & People's Choice Award
Using California as a microcosm, River's End explores the global water crises. It draws the parallel between the draining of the Owens Valley by LA, made famous by CHINATOWN, and what is happening in real time in Northern California’s Bay-Delta. Except this time, the water grab is at the hands of Big Agriculture. River’s End implores viewers to learn where their water comes from so that we can save our rivers and the ecosystems and communities that depend upon them.
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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby El Jefe » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:46 pm

Agriculture was here first....Nobody wants to blame the real problem which is urban sprawl and the population boom. Nowhere in that article did it mention desalination..... I suggest all you city dwellers get after it and quit biting the hand that feeds....literally.

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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby gabuelhaj » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:05 pm

There was enough rain today that didn't need water to come from the Delta.

Food tastes better with rain water too!

Good luck!
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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby DTF » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:40 pm

The delta water won’t be worth saving if they keep dumping toxic chemicals/waste into the water. Are they NOT secretly using roundup(aka glyphosate) to spray invasive weeds all around the delta? Runoff is one thing, spraying it DIRECTLY into the water...seriously, anyone?

Someone please prove me wrong, because I hope I’m miss informed. But seriously if the guys spraying this stuff need to wear full on hasmat suits (in tripple digit weather) then how safe is it to put in our water? Seriously it should be a crime , who is responsible for this?

As much as i hate getting buzzed by water skiers, i still wouldn’t wish that on them. And they’re using this water for agriculture? What am I missing here...

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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby Whoopbass » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:16 pm

El Jefe wrote:Agriculture was here first....Nobody wants to blame the real problem which is urban sprawl and the population boom. Nowhere in that article did it mention desalination..... I suggest all you city dwellers get after it and quit biting the hand that feeds....literally.


Give me a break. What about agriculture sprawl? Orchards everywhere. A lot of these farmers have gotten rich with dirt cheap irrigation water and/or sucking the underground aquifers dry. Most of the stuff that's grown here is shipped out of the country while most of the stuff we eat on a daily basis is being shipped in from other countries.
So the average home water bill should go up from $100+ a month to probably $200+ for desal water while an acre foot of water costs a farmer $20. Sounds like bull**** to me.

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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby El Jefe » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:59 pm

Whoopbass wrote:
El Jefe wrote:Agriculture was here first....Nobody wants to blame the real problem which is urban sprawl and the population boom. Nowhere in that article did it mention desalination..... I suggest all you city dwellers get after it and quit biting the hand that feeds....literally.


Give me a break. What about agriculture sprawl? Orchards everywhere. A lot of these farmers have gotten rich with dirt cheap irrigation water and/or sucking the underground aquifers dry. Most of the stuff that's grown here is shipped out of the country while most of the stuff we eat on a daily basis is being shipped in from other countries.
So the average home water bill should go up from $100+ a month to probably $200+ for desal water while an acre foot of water costs a farmer $20. Sounds like bull**** to me.



The farmers built the infrastructure that provides that water..... cities wanted water when they built houses and the irrigation district decided to sell them excess water. Now people in cities and housing tracts believe they have more rights to that water than the farmer.......Also, when you build housing tracts on desirable farm ground where do you expect the farmer to go?

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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby mark poulson » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:17 pm

Stewart Resnick is no farmer. He's a vulture capitalist.
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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby Whoopbass » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:27 pm

Farmers didn't build the big dams that are holding all this water.
It sounds like you're okay for a handful of people to control all the water that tens of millions of people rely on?
You don't have to come on here and defend the "poor farmer" since the media is generally on your side. So much misinformation is put out there.

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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby jiggin4bass » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:23 am

It is what it is
You'll get over it
Farming & selling water is good business.
Nothing going to change that.

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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby mark poulson » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:36 pm

jiggin4bass wrote:It is what it is
You'll get over it
Farming & selling water is good business.
Nothing going to change that.

So is selling drugs, but that's no justification for doing something wrong.
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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby Kelly Ripa » Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:33 pm

Sad Mark. You and Ace from NCBF days are now the same person. Allow for other opinions and livelihoods in the world please. Systemic elitism is not the answer to anyone's problems past/present or future.
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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby blkdog812 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:01 pm

if SF would build some desalination plants it wouldn't be a issue and they would have enough water to support the habitat.
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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby mark poulson » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:29 pm

Kelly Ripa wrote:Sad Mark. You and Ace from NCBF days are now the same person. Allow for other opinions and livelihoods in the world please. Systemic elitism is not the answer to anyone's problems past/present or future.

Kelly,
How is not allowing Stewart Resnick and the So. San Joaquin farmers to overuse our water for export crops systematic elitism? It's like letting the water board sell the water from Casitas to another municipality, instead of letting it fill to support the fishery and the local water needs.
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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby Kelly Ripa » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:19 pm

Mark I guess you missed the point of my message...Today WE call your attention to an op-ed....No Mark YOU. How about now? Get it Ace? If I need something explained to me or a new cause to set myself on fire over Mark I'll be sure to call you...... Like cement from the neck up.
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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby WRB » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:33 pm

Off topic but Casitas is independent of the MWD water system. A group of elitist environmentalist run the water supply refusing to devert Ventura River rain run off into the lake, it’s primary water supply source.
A good friend was the CFO for the Resnick family business and the Mrs was the snake in the wood pile.
The water wars will continue as long a the population grows.
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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby zrtj » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:33 pm

I'm glad people are discussing water and an ambitious plan to invest a lot of tax dollars in moving water around.. If a business is paying less than the actual cost for water, which includes transportation and infrastructure cost, etc., can we agree that this would be called a subsidy? If a business can't exist without major subsidies, is it a viable business in an economy based on capitalism? This delta water issue seems to flow into some name calling and identity politics. I think it would be nice to stick with focusing on the basics. Are subsidies for some businesses and not others good? If it is, should we subsidize more businesses or only certain businesses? Should the government pick winners and losers? Should everyone simply pay the same wholesale price for the delta water and let the market figure which businesses are viable? I don't know what the right decision is for delta water and tax dollars. I'm generally a free market capitalist-type person. I am not opposed to the government helping people and businesses with subsidies, so long as we call it subsidies and agree that helping people in other ways, like with subsidized healthcare for example, is the same thing.

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Re: Save the Tuolumne from Restore the Delta

Postby WRB » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:12 pm

I was born and raised in SoCal over 75 years ago. Water has always been an issue in a arid climate zone. We must import the water supply and build reservoirs to store it. We are dependent on water we do not have.
Northern and Central California supplies our water in SoCal and has for over 90 years as the population keeps increasing.
The Delta areas are man made dykes, sloughs to prevent flooding from major river run offs in the spring. Sending excess water south is realistic, not popular.
The issue is the aquifer has lowered 300 feet the past 90 years for local Delta farmers well water. 300’ well today cost over 200K. People like Resnick bought up the water rights from thousands of small farmers to form a massive cooperation that now controls water rights and distribution. Water isn’t a fare market, it’s a political market and why everyone should be concerned.
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