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Interesting article in the Sac Bee today:

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/stor ... 4149c.html

Stan Thomas doesn't own the downtown rail yard yet, but his company announced Thursday that it had landed its first retail tenant -- Bass Pro Shops, a fishing and outdoors emporium with stores that include waterfalls, aquariums and sometimes restaurants and marinas.
Suheil Totah, who is heading up the rail yard project for Atlanta-based Thomas Enterprises, called the announcement "the biggest thing to hit downtown in years," and proof that the redevelopment of the rail yard is moving forward.

Bass Pro sell fishing gear, boats, outdoor furniture and a wide variety of outdoor sporting gear.

Company spokesman Larry Whiteley said the firm's original store is the biggest tourist attraction in Missouri.

Bass Pro plans to open alongside the site earmarked by Thomas Enterprises for a new Kings arena. Totah said he has been negotiating for "several months" with the city and county of Sacramento over the logistics of putting a new arena in the railyard.

Totah said Bass Pro hopes to open by 2008. In order to meet that timetable, Thomas Enterprises and the city will have to make fast progress on completing the purchase of the railyard, cleaning up environmental toxics, building new infrastructure and widening and extending streets to better connect the rail yard to downtown and to Interstate 5.
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Strange how all these years we went without out here in the west and now all of a sudden boom 5 stores out west! I'm NOT complaining in fact it thrills me to death! As of now they are suppossedly building in Rancho Cucamonga (L/A Area),Fresno(still in negotiations),Manteca,Reno (across from Cabela's) and now in Sacto-this is gonna be cool!
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Strange how all these years we went without out here in the west and now all of a sudden boom 5 stores out west! I'm NOT complaining in fact it thrills me to death! As of now they are suppossedly building in Rancho Cucamonga (L/A Area),Fresno(still in negotiations),Manteca,Reno (across from Cabela's) and now in Sacto-this is gonna be cool!
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The Rancho Cucamunga Store

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They broke ground about a week ago. They say it shuld be open early 2007
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Yes, it will be nice to go in and get some of the generic worms etc that they stock. But I feel it is very important to keep our business directed at the small specialty stores, and help them grow themselves as Bass Specialty stores for the tournament fisherman.
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Amen SOCB -

I will go in and look at the Bass in the Aquarium and the animal mounts but thats about it.For fishing supplies, it is the Hook primarily, followed by Fisherman's Warehouse and Extreme Outdoors. If I absolutely can't find it anywhere else, I amy take the time to drive there but if I do, I'll make sure and stop by Troy's first.

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John Barron wrote:They broke ground about a week ago.
Really? Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to recall many proposed developments on that site not going anywhere due to the overwhelming cost to cleanup the toxics left from the railyard days. I wonder how much it's going to cost...

Edit: Nevermind what I wrote above--I thought you were talking about the Sacramento site.
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Yeah sure it will be nice to have a BPS in the vicinity. I just worry that everybody will be jazzed to drive out there and save a buck or two. Now that they will be in state there goes your no sales tax perk. Lets not forget to keep supporting your local shops. I fear for the FW in Manteca right now. If I not mistaken the new BPS is gonna be just down the street. Bigger isn't always better.
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Yeah sure it will be nice to have a BPS in the vicinity. I just worry that everybody will be jazzed to drive out there and save a buck or two. Now that they will be in state there goes your no sales tax perk. Lets not forget to keep supporting your local shops. I fear for the FW in Manteca right now. If I not mistaken the new BPS is gonna be just down the street. Bigger isn't always better.
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Phew!

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I had to read Gator's post twice. At first I thought he said: ... will go in and look at the Bass in the Aquarium and the animals mount. For a second there, I thought you was a sick monkey Gator! (Har Har!).
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I see BPS having the same effect on an area as Wal-Mart has when it comes to a small to medium size town. Everyone flocks to it for a while since it is "a big new shiny store" that has a one stop shopping attraction. After a while people will start returning to the local merchants if the local merchant adapts and learns to adjust to the needs of the people in their area. One thing that is important to me, especially with fishing gear, is talking to a friendly face. You don't get that as much in the monster stores. When Wal-Mart came to Ukiah (pop 14,000) our local merchants did what all do when facing a Wal-Mart in their town, they fought it as best they could. When they lost and W-M opened, their sale slowed for a while but they survived and most are still here making a good living. They concentrated on customer service and that makes a difference to a lot of people.

I am as excited as the next guy to have a BPS coming to within driving distance and yes, I will make a few trips over to the dreaded "valley" when they open. But like Gator, it is more for the train wreak factor.....I just want to look at all there is to see. The aquariums, mounts, boats ect are great but in the end, I can get all I need for the way I fish at Tackle-It in Lakeport and enjoy friendly faces, good stories and a real good discount on many items. If there is something my local guy doesnt carry, he will order it for me with only a day or two wait, or, I can order form BPS if needed. Point is why spend...let's see....$3.35 a gallon to get there if I can order over the phone?

Local stores need our support and if they do it right, they will be just fine if we do our part and keep supporting them. I know I will.

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I see BPS having the same effect on an area as Wal-Mart has when it comes to a small to medium size town. Everyone flocks to it for a while since it is "a big new shiny store" that has a one stop shopping attraction. After a while people will start returning to the local merchants if the local merchant adapts and learns to adjust to the needs of the people in their area. One thing that is important to me, especially with fishing gear, is talking to a friendly face. You don't get that as much in the monster stores. When Wal-Mart came to Ukiah (pop 14,000) our local merchants did what all do when facing a Wal-Mart in their town, they fought it as best they could. When they lost and W-M opened, their sale slowed for a while but they survived and most are still here making a good living. They concentrated on customer service and that makes a difference to a lot of people.

I am as excited as the next guy to have a BPS coming to within driving distance and yes, I will make a few trips over to the dreaded "valley" when they open. But like Gator, it is more for the train wreak factor.....I just want to look at all there is to see. The aquariums, mounts, boats ect are great but in the end, I can get all I need for the way I fish at Tackle-It in Lakeport and enjoy friendly faces, good stories and a real good discount on many items. If there is something my local guy doesnt carry, he will order it for me with only a day or two wait, or, I can order form BPS if needed. Point is why spend...let's see....$3.35 a gallon to get there if I can order over the phone?

Local stores need our support and if they do it right, they will be just fine if we do our part and keep supporting them. I know I will.

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I am a sick monkey Ron. But this post proves you are sicker than me. I believe you now owe me a fishin trip somewhere!!
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I’ll only submit one post, if that’s ok. I have been to BPS in Nashville Tennessee many times as well as the one just outside Dallas Texas. They are a sight for Outdoorsmen to see. They have an unmatched Gun shop, Golf shop, Archery shop, Boat shop (Mercury-Tracker-Nitro), Off Shore shop, Waterfowl shop, Clothing and shoes for hunting fishing work, Nascar shop, Electronics’ store, Guide and adventure trips, and best of all the Texas store is it has its own Brewery, all under one roof. I know I am leaving something out. Having said that I really don’t think they will replace the custom service of local shops suck as Escalon Bait or Fisherman’s Warehouse. BPS is very generic; it would be hard for them to react to the latest trend as well as our local owned guy’s do. Buy what you can from your bait shop and enjoy what BPS does to Wall mart your sorry @$$ local Boat dealer. :mrgreen:
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I would be cool to test drive a boat on the river!
Or try product on the river!
A BPS proving ground!!
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Bass AND beer???? If they sell food, and have bathrooms, why go home?
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massage parlor completes the deal!
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Cool!

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How 'bout tomorrow at Castaic - it's WFO!
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I am thrilled that BPS may come to Sacto. Why? Because I don't share the thought that we get good/great services at the local shops.

It's nearly impossible to find a decent baitcasting reel for under $100 in the Sacto area--yet there are dozens on the market and on the shelves at BPS. Same for rods. Loomis, Lamiglass or crap--those are currently the choices. $7 senkos? Not anymore.

I don't quite get the "buy from local" stores mentality either. If we're talking about employees, won't BPS have "local" employees, and lots of them? So, what's the difference? This logic makes no sense to me.

I've never quite understood the "I won't go there" attitude of so many folks on this board when it comes to BPS. I've been in four BPS' shops across the country, and, without fail, the service and selection have been top shelf and the stores have been absolutely packed.

If/when they open I'll be there often, and I bet I won't be alone.
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Farres - I tell you what. Go into BPS the weekend before a Delta tournament. Ask the person (kid) that you find in the bass fishing department what is working in the South Delta right now and listen to

A - the line of BS
B- I dunno, I live in Sacramento

Same thing applies to Clear Lake, Oroville, Shasta, et al.

That should answer your question about why to shop local.
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Having been to a few, yes they are a great way to blow a couple of hours, but you will never get the same service or products that you will get from Gene at the Hook, or Troy or Dennis in Sacramento, or Dave in Tracy.

Of course now if they put the Brewery in at Sac, that's another story! You won't be able to keep me outta there. Beer upstairs, bathrooms with TV's downstairs and an elevator to transport you to either. 'Course I'll still buy the majority of my stuff from the guys who have been here all along!

Hey Ron C. -

Ever see a bass do a Reach-Around? :shock:

you are one sick puppy! :lol: :lol:
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Gator-

My personal experience at BPS says that the employees are mostly adults who work there full time and know their stuff.

BPS didn't get to be so successful by pizzing off ther customers.
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OOPS, I'm sorry I only posted once :lol: :lol: !
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I see your point about the kid that may know nothing, but I believe that asking about the bite in a tackle store is like dock talk...It is mostly all useless. You know as well as I do that fishing changes by the day and the fun of it is learning the bite for yourself.

I will miss the no tax, but I know they do have lots of stuff at BPS the small guys don't. I know of quite a few tackle stores that I have visited that have POOR customer service and really don't even try to find out about how the fish are biting at certain lakes. The ones with the good service will survive. The ones that don't will not.
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I think it will be great, as for the service in the small shops I think it it good but I am tired of going to FW and finding empty spots on the sheelves. I now shop at the Bait Barn in Waterford they have all the good stuff but it cost a extra buck or two. Bring on the Grand Daddy of the tackle stores.
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Can they provide us with what started us here before there was ever a BPS in town? I don't think so. I hope none of you nutcases let the fact that there's a BPS around affect where you buy your products from. We MUST support our local shops. I know that there's nowhere in the world that I can get the same service as I get from Jon Walton, at Walton's pond in San Leandro. So what their worms might be 25 cents cheaper. These small shop owners such as Jon's shop have been there for us throughout the years (eventhough I'm a rookie), and BPS hasn't. We shouldn't let a big corporation take any money from these guys. It's a shame that they're coming here, but it's also a chance for us to show our support for the gentlemen that have been providing us with great service before this big corporation without a face, came to town. I for one, will go to BPS when it comes to Sac and/or Manteca, but will I buy anything from them? No frickin way. Support your local shops. ALWAYS!

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I guess that's why the Vegas store is such a hit!
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True - I do shop at the Big Box stores you mentioned and I do occasionally eat at the bigger establishments, but here is the difference.

In my area, the closest hardware store is Ace. They don't have anywhere the selection of items I may be purchasing that Lowe's or Home Depot does.

I eat at certain restaurants because I prefer the food they serve. When I am in certain areas, I do have specific local establishments that I prefer to frequent. This again is based on quality and service.

I feel that I get better service and more specific baits at the local shops, as opposed to the large retailers. When I go to Clearlake, I could go to WalMart but I choose to visit the local shops such as Limit Out. I could say the same for the Delta. I could stop at WalMart or BPS (when they open) but I am going to get more relevant information and better service at the local shops.

I guess it is all in the perspective.
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Bones,

The point I was making is people are creatures of habit. Once you go to a place like BPS and see all of the fancy attractions they have (things local merchants, the same merchants that have been there for us since we started fishing, can not afford to bring people in) it is easy to forget the little stores that are manned by your neighbors that have families to feed, children to educate ect. I am not saying "don't shop at BPS....they are evil", what I am trying to say is don't abandon the locally owner store that was there when there was no BPS.

Yes, they will provide jobs for a lot of local people and yes, they have great prices on many items...prices that local shops can not match due to volume buying or special pricing deals with manufacturers. No one should feel guilty for buying a reel at BPS for $30.00 less than the local store can sell it for. The side effect of this is local stores will HAVE to price different to ensure we will keep shopping at their store so we win both ways. I just don't want to see local shops struggle to stay open because we are at the "Bass Circus" playing games, riding the rides and drinking beer (that would be cool though!) while looking for the Misty Girls to take our picture with.

Not long ago, we all got into a snit because BASS pulled out of the West. Our biggest argument is why support an organization that abandoned us because it did not benifit them financialy. If we abandon our local shops because we can save .50 cents on worms and $15.00 on a rod, doesn't that put us in the same catagory?

There doesn't need to be a war of words over a big box tackle store coming to town, we just need to make sure we support small shops as much as their service and prices allow us to. If local shops have to close down because a BPS came to town. we all lose.

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BPS is like Cosco. (Next post will be about how no one shops at Cosco, right)

You go to Cosco or in my case Pac and save once a month or every other month to stock up. Then you go to the little store once or twice a week for milk, eggs, etc...

Budgets are tight for most of us. If it comes down to we can buy a reel we need at BPS, or have no reel at all, well BPS will get the business that month. If I had an unlimited budget, I would only shop with Gene, Dave, and Jon.

On a fundamental level, I find it funny in America where capitolism is the rule, supply and demand, guys like Sam Walton, Johnny Morris, and others who took their small business, ran it successfuly and grew it in to stores across the nation are now evil guys?? Anyone who knows me knows I do not like Wal mart and other big chains for the same reasons as you guys, but I'm not going to be like these *** clowns who go out and protest stores because they are big and successful. Guess what, if no one shoped there, they'd close....hello?? I think when the next Stren that comes around I'm going to protest Jimmy Reese because he is not my local fisherman and has become too big and successful for the little guy to compete.

Things like tents, outdoor clothing, crossbows, and more are not avaliable at places like Dave's Bass Shack. BPS has them. BPS has always had them, they came in a catalog to my living room where in my pjs I could order anything!! I still went to the local shops! Now BPS is a 2hr drive with the cheapest gas in my town at $3.45 and now like Johnny C stated, we have to pay sales tax, the local shops might get MORE business!! Gene charges BPS prices plus the shipping for the BPS items in his store.

Bottom line guys, stop the parronia propoganda and let the folks vote with their $$. If someone wants to go to BPS, who cares. You do your thing I'll do mine.
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Chilies-hell no, I go see my friend Jose. He meets me with a cold Cerveza and he keeps the chips and salsa coming. He even brings my little girl a free bean dip or nachos now and then. It never fails we see a good friend or two while at his little local place. He always gives a solid effort. Now that’s what I am talking about. As for the under $100 reel at BPS, I tried one of Johnny’s knock-offs. Be careful, IMO they are nothing more than Korean junk.
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Now, I love the local tackle shops and their insight to the local waters. But what if some of the wonderful employees and managers of the local shops end up employed at BPS? What if some the local shops close due to BPS? Wouldn't BPS provide employment opertunity to the displaced?

Example: Tackle Depot in Granite Bay closed rather than try and compete with Fisherman's Warehouse in Rocklin.

my 2 cents.

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Just my .02 cents. I wouldn't hold my breath on a BPS coming to Sacramento any time soon. The key to persuading local governments i.e City Council, Board of Supes to approve the rail yards development is landing a big sales tax generating anchor tenant like BPS. But the bureaucrats running the city would like nothing more than developing that site into a transit hub, Kings Arena, small retail and zero lot line condo's as far as the eye can see.

As far as BPS being a threat to local tackle establishments - I think the bigger threat is online stores (TW and AC Proshops) and I am not complaining - door to door in 2 days and with a huge selection - NICE! But I will still go to Fisherman's and Troy's to spread a little love.
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Funny... Bass Pro doesn't have a store in sacramento listed on it's web site and yet the Manteca store has been listed as coming soon for over 2 years. (I have been patiently awaiting it's arrival).

Sounds like rumor to me. Bass pro would be all over announcing it on their site. I seriously doubt it will happen as there is a future Bass Pro in at Reno and in So. Cal. Putting a store in Sac would over-saturate the area.

As far as local tackle stores go, It will impact them hard and close most of them (other than Wal-Mart and KMart). There is no way for a small store to compete with the Bass Pro unless they carry nothing but speciality tackle that the other will not carry such as Huddleston Deluxe, Rago, and various others of that nature(kinda like Oroville Outdoors aka www.usacproshop.net . This will also close a ton of local Boating and Hunting stores too.

In other words, tackle shops with a little business sense and ingenuity will stay in business. Those that try to compete will fail, those that compliment will suceed. It's a Win/Win situation for us consumers. (I finally won't have to shop at 50 local tackle stores and order half my tackle on the net to get the gear I want)
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i do believe in supporting local vendors, but how many times do you go into your local shop, and everything you are looking for is gone. rodstainer jigs, castaic swim baits, size 2 or 3 hooks for making football head jigs, senkos wrong color, hula grubs wrong color. and when you ask when they are getting them in they always say its on order, no eta etc. it makes me really pissed off. i go were the goods are bottom line. of course i will look in the local shops first. but when i here the same b.s. line im outta there. bps welcome to sacto, cause here i come.........
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I agree with you g-man. I am new to the area, but I recently went into a local tackle store and about went into shock at the prices. I recently left an area where there was a bass pro shop. I wont say they are the cheapest. but most of the time they have everything you need and the prices are definitely comparable. Just my 2 pennies.

P.s. I am not against supporting the small business's. And will pay a little more. but when my wallet falls apart, i will go elsewhere.
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BPS in Las Vegas

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is built right next to a CASINO, with HOTEL ROOMS, and is on the road that goes out to the cathouses!

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You forget about TAX INCOME. Politicians LOVE sales tax income, especially from "blighted" areas.

BPS will bring tourista money too.

The KINGS arena will never happen- the locals have voted it down twice, and the Maloof's will never foot the bill themselves.

I look for the "Las Vegas KINGS" in 5 years or less.


One of my very close friends from high school opened a fly tackle shop in the Denver area about 20 years ago. BPS opened a store there a few years ago. He was very concerned, he was afraid they were going to price him out of business, and with competition from Wal-Mart, Sports Authority etc he was in fear of losing EVERYTHING he had worked for his entire life. BUT--- His business has had steady double digit increases SINCE they came to town. He provides CUSTOMER SERVICE!

GO FIGURE!

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Re: Bass Pro Shops in Sacramento?

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Just saw on the Fresno news tonight they think BPS has abondoned the idea of a Fresno store,but they toughted the Sacto store-even has a Bass Pro official discussing where it was going to be in the Old Town Sacto area. As far as the local guys I have mixed opinions....the nearest "Real" tackle store to me is in Fresno which is 50 miles away so that right there is a deturent.My biggest problem is when these "local" guys try and pay their rent of the sale of 1 friggin lure! I recently went to a store that is talked about on here all the time and they wanted $22.00 for a Staysee? Why $22.00 when everywhere else(including BPS) is $15....maybe $17? Why because you have no choice! 5-7 dollars may not be much to some of you folks but to me its a big deal-honestly maybe not so much the cost but the idea of how this place is screwing me over and laughing behind that smile! I welcome Bass Pro with open arms-I dont believe they will put all the smaller tackle stores out of business just the bad ones! The good stores have a cliental that will probably always be there-why? Because they treat the customer right with the right price and selection. As far as the personal touch I have to agree-you never know who will be working at them Bass Pro Shops-could be somebody thats fished the delta all his life and is just killing some time being around fisherman? Local stores have their niche and always will...an example is Bob Higgins @ Limit Out on Clear Lake...he is one of the finest individuals I have ever met. I had never even met him before he won the Bassmasters tournament but yet the day I walked in there he told me what to throw,where to throw it,what color to throw,etc. is it because he owns an awesome shop on the banks of the greatest lake in the world? Nope-just the person he is! I walked outta there without spending a dime because I had everything he mentioned yet we still are pals! The people are what matters not what sign hangs over the door.
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Re: Bass Pro Shops in Sacramento?

Post by rmcollins3 »

It's not going to apply to me, because I'm moving to Atlanta in 6 months - which has a BPS right next door (along with Lakes Lanier, Clarks Hill, Guntersville, Oconee, West Point, etc!!!!), but I have never had anything but great experiences at BPS. Friendly service, great selection, good prices, and a 20% military discount - which I definitely appreciate.

As far as the local tackle shops go, I may be in the minority here, but I get more of them asking me where I'm heading and what's working there than I get from them.

I also used to work at Oshman's in La Mesa, and I learned more from the fisherman than they ever learned from me. Of course, I did pass on knowledge, but I don't see any reason the same thing wouldn't happen at BPS as well.

I for one don't like relying on "local knowledge" anyway. I get much more pleasure in figuring out the fish on my own, which obviously doesn't always happen. But I feel it will make me a better angler in the long run to figure it out for myself rather than listen to what someone else is using.
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