BTD.com and Basstrix

bassholeaz · Post by **bassholeaz** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:29 pm

Well in my opinion this is BS and I am wondering what the many of you on this board think.

Called Basstackledepot to order basstrix and I was already aware when I called that I would have to buy the amount I spent on basstrix on other products when I purchased. Which IMO is BS #1, but I though ok I could use other items too....

Well now also if you order basstrix you get NO guarantees of what color you will receive. So order 10 packs of basstrix and you may get 10 packs of all trout, when you may have wanted shad or something else.

This is a monopoly and is unfair to any consumer. Don't need basstrix that bad and I am considering never using BTD.com again...

drew · Post by **drew** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:54 pm

Don't buy them and don't buy from BTD in the future. I'm not really impressed with the product anyway. Not to sound negative or against the parties involve, but its not really a big deal. The competition will help meet the demands of the consumer eventually just be patient.

DeltaBound · Post by **DeltaBound** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:18 pm

Don't purchase from the scalpers and you will see the availability and the price go down. They aren't the best bait anyway.

fishinman · Post by **fishinman** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:33 pm

there is NO magic bait. i know of guys that had them at a championship and fished nothing but and caught only 1 or no fish for 2 days. So THEREEEE!!

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:30 pm

to attend the Bass-a-thon on November 17-18th, we will have a massive stock of Basstrix for the show. All colors, at the regular price. This is a order we placed last year and IMHO will go pretty fast so get in early and stock-up. Rick G.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:36 pm

Am I hearing this correctly? BTD is doing everything they can to distibute these baits as fairly as possible to the everyday angler and doing their best to keep them off of ebay for $30 a pop.

They are even giving you the opportunity to pre-order from tomorrow shipment and you are going to complain about it? They don't even know what colors they are going to get tomorrow so how can they guarantee you'll get the color you want?

They could sell all 200 packs a day to one person easily... then your only option would be Ebay and $30... BTD would make the same amount of money...

If you don't like it there are definitely other options... feel free to use em!

Murph · Post by **Murph** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:48 pm

Tom, I wouldn't even touch this one. There's plenty of us that can see the good in this tactic and will utilize it. Don't take the chum. How 'bout them McAbees? Definitely the real deal! And I'll guarantee, that if you go back for the whole NG season, Randy Jr's back seaters have caught more weight than any other competitor. Real Impressive!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:35 pm

Thanks Murph! I appreciate your positive comments..

By the way - your boat is gorgeous! Love the color scheme - Those ghost stripes are pretty cool. I might need to do that on my next boat as well! also - I hope you get that boat so you can take it out on Halloween next week!

or are you a SF Giants fan?

Steve Reed · Post by **Steve Reed** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:22 pm

Yeah seriously guys, your best chance to buy these baits is through BTD, at retail price. So lets say you want 6 packs of the baits. and on ebay they go for 30-40 bucks...thats 180-240 that right there is enough of a reason to spend the extra hundred bucks to buy them at retail price.

i am just amazed at how many people are complaining that they now have a place they have a chance to get their hands on this bait for the retail price....

all BTD is providing insurance that the buyer isnt a reseller, and will not drive up the price even more, you can buy them wherever you want dont give a store crap for trying to save you money and let you fish a cool bait...because yes thats what they are doing

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:00 am

Rick G coming through again when it counts. Guys take him up on his offer, you'll be happy with what you get.

DL · Post by DL » Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:43 am

I got mine from Rick...paid retail...and got to choose which colors I wanted. AND he didnt hold me hostage until I bought at least that much in other tackle. Funny thing is, only one of the baits I bought has even gotten wet, and that was over a month ago. Remember when the Beaver was the rage??? Well guess what, this stupid paddle tail will go down the same path. All you guys will have a pallet of Basstrix in your boat or garage and will wonder what the hell you are going to do with them when then next best thing comes out. I bought mine because I wanted to see what the rage was all about...and I can safely say I am glad I didnt have to pony up a bunch of cheese just to find out they were nothing special..

Before anyone gets riled up about being gouged for a product, make sure what you are buying is really worth the price. To some it is, to many it is not. That is why capitalism works.....there is a sucker born every minute.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:13 am

DL wrote:I got mine from Rick...paid retail...and got to choose which colors I wanted. AND he didnt hold me hostage until I bought at least that much in other tackle.
Before anyone gets riled up about being gouged for a product, make sure what you are buying is really worth the price. To some it is, to many it is not. That is why capitalism works.....there is a sucker born every minute.

We have a winner. Nice call man, and lets not forget the fishing companies are fishing for anglers while the anglers are fishing for , well, fish. I guess this Basstrix thing is the lunker of all lunkers.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:25 am

If you really want to buy a Z520 Ranger you have to get a 176 Stratos to go with it. I Like It. LOL That Basstrix is a pretty good bait though. Rick G.

DL · Post by DL » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:31 am

I will agree, the bait works. And to think, all these years you could have been selling boats two at a time...who'd a thunk it!

2@low8 · Post by **2@low8** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:47 am

I try not to solicite on other peoples web sites but I believe my policy is very fair. As far a basstrix, because of the shortage of them, we only ship them when we have plenty. I believe that my local customers deserve first shot at them. They keep my doors open. Most phone orders I will never hear from the buyer again. Thanks eric huff (eric's tackle ventura)

Alex M. · Post by **Alex M.** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:18 am

The bottom line is there ARE other alternitives. The knockoffs I have used have caught just as many(if not more) fish than the actual basstrix. NO...its NOT a magic bait. And they're definitely not worth what they sell for on ebay or worth having to cough up another 100 bux in other tackle for.
On a day when I was only throwing the basstrix and my partner was throwing the Money Minnow, I caught nothing but small fish and he ends up catching his PB...a 9 pounder...Go Figure! Supply and demand....simple economics...I get it. I'm all about supporting originators, but at what cost?

Steve Reed · Post by **Steve Reed** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:22 am

I think the thing everyone is missing here is its not about selling other tackle, its about making sure these aren't resold and the right people are getting a chance to buy these baits...

They aren't trying to get more money out of you....like tom said they could sell them at ebay prices, make a lot of money and still sell out daily, BTD is trying to make these available for everyone to use and have a chance at buying....not just the resellers

its clear to me, why is everyone upset about this?

go on ebay if you dont like it, pay $30-40 a pack....or just go searching at your local tackle stores...

Hipster · Post by **Hipster** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:40 am

"If you really want to buy a Z520 Ranger you have to get a 176 Stratos to go with it. I Like It. LOL "

Damn Mr Grover that was too Funny!!!!!

DL · Post by DL » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:48 am

Hmmm...so what you do is buy your Paddle Tails, and the tackle you were going to buy anyway... then put the Paddle Tails on Ebay. If anyone thinks the way they are sold now is going to deter the Ebay trolls, they are mistaken.

It doesnt really matter how its described, explained, or justified. That is how BTD chooses to deal with the situation at hand, and like I have said in the past...if you dont like it, go somewhere else. I am going to wait until the middle of December when no one is throwing them, and stock up then...

booyaa_az · Post by **booyaa_az** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:50 am

Its all good for you Cally guys that already have them. I have tried for a few months know trying to get these baits. At one time I had a four hundred dollars wrapped up in back orders trying to get them. I understand supply and demand dont get me wrong. If your in the CLICK over there and get them great. I have tried through my buddies to get them over there also. Thats not where I am upset at the deal.
I have never ordered from Bass Tackle depot and after this run around with them for three weeks I NEVER WILL. I have heard a different story EVERY time I have called. Grant it I only got through a few times but damn quit changing the rules! I dont mind buying the other tackle ( like we all need more anyways) but I would atleast like to get the colors of my choice NOT theres!
I think that this is also bass trix fault to say the least! why are only a few shops getting them over there and no one else can? Maybe they should start filling the others instead of letting BTD run the show! I think B.A.S.S. should rewrite they article on what a joke this is!! As far as keeping out of the ebays guys hands if they would starting filling there other orders this would not be happening either! Funny part here is that when the Chatterbait crazy took off and I bought some on ebay it was a BASS guy selling go figure, he even told me he had sold over 100 already!
Well I guess it the price to pay when you live in the desert!

macinckirk · Post by **macinckirk** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:57 am

I'll just keep my 2 cents to myself on this 1

What a Joke is all I can say

Oh does anyone have a few I can try to see what all the B?S is about anyways

Bassin · Post by **Bassin** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:02 am

"....we will have a massive stock of Basstrix for the show. All colors, at the regular price. This is a order we placed last year and IMHO will go pretty fast so get in early and stock-up. Rick G."

Cool Rick! Another reason to camp out there on the Friday before the Bass-a-Thon...

rico · Post by **rico** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:47 am

Steve Reed wrote:I think the thing everyone is missing here is its not about selling other tackle, its about making sure these aren't resold and the right people are getting a chance to buy these baits...

They aren't trying to get more money out of you....like tom said they could sell them at ebay prices, make a lot of money and still sell out daily, BTD is trying to make these available for everyone to use and have a chance at buying....not just the resellers

its clear to me, why is everyone upset about this?

go on ebay if you dont like it, pay $30-40 a pack....or just go searching at your local tackle stores...

They aren't trying to make more money off you??????? Are you serious? If this is the case, why is it they have increased the retail price to $10, when the wholesale price hasn't changed???? Trying to save me money?? I don't think so. Tackle It, in Clear Lake has Basstrix and they are selling them for the normal retail price, $6+. Raising the retail price is what's causing the eBay prices to climb.

DeltaBound · Post by **DeltaBound** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:59 pm

Hey guys, it's simple. Don't spend these rediculous prices and you will be buying them at regular price in no time at all. I think stores shoud limit the amount to two packs per person until they can start getting them in regularly. Don't burn your own bridge I always say.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:03 pm

Hipster wrote:"If you really want to buy a Z520 Ranger you have to get a 176 Stratos to go with it. I Like It. LOL "

Damn Mr Grover that was too Funny!!!!!

That was funny.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:23 pm

Booyaa AZ... The guys at BTD don't even know what they are getting until they open the box when it arrives.

You don't have to buy from BTD if you don't want to... but, if you want the baits all you have to is call - no clicks, nothing special - they sell them first call first served basis.

As for Spreading them around - OK lets say that 20 stores get 10 boxes each. How far do you really think those 10 boxes are going to make it. I bet they'd never sell one retail - the employees - employees friends and family would all buy them before you could ever get an order in.

Fact is there is no perfect solution to this problem and as much as BTD and I am sure Basstrix would love for everyone to have all they wanted its just not going to happen that way for a number of reasons! Blame BTD all you want... but, the truth is they are doing what they think is best to get these into the anglers hands that want them for a pretty reasonable price!

As for Angler's Marine having them for the Bass-A-thon. That is just reason # 1,051,615 to go to the best bass show anywhere! I just wish I could be there... instead I'll be at a wedding in Ohio!

booyaa_az · Post by **booyaa_az** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:35 am

Thanks for the post Tom I can respect that. But it is a damn scam!! buying other tackle and chit! Its a scam you know it and everyone else knows it! BTD has the fisherman by the balls!
As far as BTD not knowing what they have wait one damn day and then sell stuff on Tuesday for what was shipped on Monday! its not that hard to figure this out!! I can debat this all I want it wont make a damn but I can ASSURE you that I am going to do everything in my power to let people know what kinda GOD DAMN scam that BTD is running!

And for BTD I am sure they are tired of dealing with the phone calls, lieing to people on the phone and being proud to the fact if it wasnt for basstrix raising there monthly sales profits they would just be another internet fishing store! Oh well its just my option!

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:28 am

All this talk about the deal, the price and all is kind of laughable. None of this has affected me in any way cause I simply don't buy the baits; not at the eBay prices, which is surely a joke, and certainly not where I have to buy other product to qualify to buy this product.

I simply don't buy them and the funny thing about that is there are other products that work every bit as well, despite what pro staffers have said here, if thats what you want to throw. Not to mention I have a ton of baits in my boat and my garage that are still catching fish just fine.

I guess my question to BTD.Com is why are you worried about what's happening with these baits after you sell them? Does it really matter to you that guys are taking them to eBay and gouging folks? Was there ever any thought to just starting a list and selling them in order from that list, regardless of color as it seems your customers apparently don't care, or by color for those that do care. You know what I mean, sell the rainbow colored ones as you get them to those that are wanting that color instead of just any old color. Seems to me it's the eBay guys that don't care what color they're getting and likely not the average Joe consumer. If the demand is truly that high then why not just raise the price on the baits accordingly and sell them as normal to your customers?

I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a store with one purchase in mind. Last thing I want to hear when I get there is, "Sorry Mr. Stoltz but if you want to buy those baits you'll have to buy an equal amount of some other bait you didn't come here to buy in order to get them". I am spending twice as much as I intended to and it seems to me that a practice of that sorts would irk me and that's what I'm hearing from folks in this thread. Justify it any way you want to but right now, according to what I'm reading here, the practice is pushing people away from making any future purchases in your store and that surely isn't a good thing.

Y'all can get sucked into this 'beanie baby' like craze but I'll wait on the sidelines and continue to fish a host of other fish catchin' baits until the prices and availability on these baits gets back to normal. There's lots of money changing hands for now but none of mine is involved.

By the way, anyone know what the average beanie baby sells for now that the hoopla has long since been over? If you were one of the folks who paid a ton of money for them when they were 'the thing' you've got to be wondering what happened to that market as well, haha.

sTony

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:36 am

sTony wrote:All this talk about the deal, the price and all is kind of laughable. None of this has affected me in any way cause I simply don't buy the baits; not at the eBay prices, which is surely a joke, and certainly not where I have to buy other product to qualify to buy this product.

I simply don't buy them and the funny thing about that is there are other products that work every bit as well, despite what pro staffers have said here, if thats what you want to throw. Not to mention I have a ton of baits in my boat and my garage that are still catching fish just fine.

I guess my question to BTD.Com is why are you worried about what's happening with these baits after you sell them? Does it really matter to you that guys are taking them to eBay and gouging folks? Was there ever any thought to just starting a list and selling them in order from that list, regardless of color as it seems your customers apparently don't care, or by color for those that do care. You know what I mean, sell the rainbow colored ones as you get them to those that are wanting that color instead of just any old color. Seems to me it's the eBay guys that don't care what color they're getting and likely not the average Joe consumer. If the demand is truly that high then why not just raise the price on the baits accordingly and sell them as normal to your customers?

I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a store with one purchase in mind. Last thing I want to hear when I get there is, "Sorry Mr. Stoltz but if you want to buy those baits you'll have to buy an equal amount of some other bait you didn't come here to buy in order to get them". I am spending twice as much as I intended to and it seems to me that a practice of that sorts would irk me and that's what I'm hearing from folks in this thread. Justify it any way you want to but right now, according to what I'm reading here, the practice is pushing people away from making any future purchases in your store and that surely isn't a good thing.

Y'all can get sucked into this 'beanie baby' like craze but I'll wait on the sidelines and continue to fish a host of other fish catchin' baits until the prices and availability on these baits gets back to normal. There's lots of money changing hands for now but none of mine is involved.

By the way, anyone know what the average beanie baby sells for now that the hoopla has long since been over? If you were one of the folks who paid a ton of money for them when they were 'the thing' you've got to be wondering what happened to that market as well, haha.

sTony

+1

To add to it 6.99 is still to high for a one fish bait. Thats 2.33 per. Agree on that about ebayers. its the guy that doesnt care thats dropping it on ebay.

macinckirk · Post by **macinckirk** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:42 am

sTony wrote:All this talk about the deal, the price and all is kind of laughable. None of this has affected me in any way cause I simply don't buy the baits; not at the eBay prices, which is surely a joke, and certainly not where I have to buy other product to qualify to buy this product.

I simply don't buy them and the funny thing about that is there are other products that work every bit as well, despite what pro staffers have said here, if thats what you want to throw. Not to mention I have a ton of baits in my boat and my garage that are still catching fish just fine.

I guess my question to BTD.Com is why are you worried about what's happening with these baits after you sell them? Does it really matter to you that guys are taking them to eBay and gouging folks? Was there ever any thought to just starting a list and selling them in order from that list, regardless of color as it seems your customers apparently don't care, or by color for those that do care. You know what I mean, sell the rainbow colored ones as you get them to those that are wanting that color instead of just any old color. Seems to me it's the eBay guys that don't care what color they're getting and likely not the average Joe consumer. If the demand is truly that high then why not just raise the price on the baits accordingly and sell them as normal to your customers?

I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a store with one purchase in mind. Last thing I want to hear when I get there is, "Sorry Mr. Stoltz but if you want to buy those baits you'll have to buy an equal amount of some other bait you didn't come here to buy in order to get them". I am spending twice as much as I intended to and it seems to me that a practice of that sorts would irk me and that's what I'm hearing from folks in this thread. Justify it any way you want to but right now, according to what I'm reading here, the practice is pushing people away from making any future purchases in your store and that surely isn't a good thing.

Y'all can get sucked into this 'beanie baby' like craze but I'll wait on the sidelines and continue to fish a host of other fish catchin' baits until the prices and availability on these baits gets back to normal. There's lots of money changing hands for now but none of mine is involved.

By the way, anyone know what the average beanie baby sells for now that the hoopla has long since been over? If you were one of the folks who paid a ton of money for them when they were 'the thing' you've got to be wondering what happened to that market as well, haha.

sTony

+2

Shad*Wizard · Post by **Shad*Wizard** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:14 am

Good ol' Ty Warner...I think he's worth about 5 Billion $$$ right now...Create your own market, boys!...Does he like to fish?...

ash · Post by **ash** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:27 am

Tony,

What you said makes too much sense, you and your damn logic!

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:50 am

I just read through the thread and made some observations ya know. I like the BTD.Com guys and lord knows they advertise here and its truly appreciated. What's being said in the posts here is that folks don't like the way the baits are being sold, and that includes eBay as well.

Supply and demand is what it's all about and in this case, BASS fueled, the supply can't possibly keep up with the demand for the product. Basstrix is comfortable producing what their capacity allows daily and that's all well and good. Hate to see them gear up for higher production and then watch the market potentially turn just as you're moving to capture the profits of one bait. Because we're talking plastics here it's likely difficult at best to try to patent a bait like this one we're talking about so the other companies will likely start taking their share of the market and probably are doing so already. So Basstrix really isn't at fault about anything here.

BTD.Com made a decision on how to handle the product in what they deamed was the most fair to their customers. Some may not like the manner in which you can buy the bait but that's also a free choice issue and if you don't like the way their selling it you don't have to try to buy them. Likely not a huge problem because for months now they've had folks lined up at the stores and the phone start ringing for this product at the beginning of each sales day or when the truck with the bait gets there. And they sell out in minutes. They figures they needed to control the sales of the bait to allow more access for their regular customers and maybe get them so they'd have them for longer then 10 minutes each day before they were sold out. I don't fault them for the decision. I just personally wouldn't buy the baits that way.

As for the guys on eBay, well I suppose it once again comes down to supply and demand and if folks are going to buy these baits at astronomical prices then someone is going to sell them. Do I fault the guys that are selling them? I don't see how I could. It's the buyers that are setting the price on eBay. If these were priced beyond a point where they could sell then the price would obviously come down. Last time I checked the pricing on eBay on these had come way down from where they were.

So this all boils down to how badly you really want this product. Obviously there is an interesting phenomenon going on with this one bait right now. And because the demand has grown far beyond what a small bait manufacturer can keep up with; we've got what we've got.

I think this tells us worlds more about us as consumers, or at least some of us, then anything else.

sTony

basswest · Post by **basswest** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:11 am

You know, this whole thread is just a waste. We cannot come within miles of supplying the guys calling everyday for the Basstrix. We only receive a few hundred packs a day and are sold out for days in advance. For those of you who just want to complain behind screen names - save the drama and just let the cycle pass thru. Please do not call or complain, 99% of what is on this thread is B.S. If you would like to comment on it, then know what you are talking about. I made a business decison early this year and ordered over 80,000 packs of Basstrix and then 60,000 more, I rolled the dice on what I felt and feel is the best of class in its product line. Now, if you are mad because you cannot get them or cannot specify a color or size -do not blame the stores or the manufacturer, just wait till the tidal wave is over. There are plenty of knock-offs out there - which we do not carry. The popularity of this bait is not going to vanish in a few weeks, we have been sold out everyday for 7 months. My company and its great staff always bends over backwards and works hard for our customers daily, so seeing this talk on this board just makes me shake my head. So until one of the resident scholars can figure out how to make these baits spawn and we can package more - a shortage will exist for some time. But according to this board you can buy all you want at Tackle it in Clear Lake, or at the Upcoming Bassathon. I would welcome the relief for the 1 hour any of those baits would last. Please purchase from your local tackle stores as they receive their orders of product, it is impossible for a single store to keep up with nation-wide demand. If you have any questions or would like to visit Oroville Outdoors or just help us answer phones please call me.

Thanks
Mark Mendez
408 396 8442

Oldschool · Post by **Oldschool** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:18 am

Anyone who has been around bass fishing very long knows how fickle bass fishermen are when it comes to the latest hot lure. Tackle shop owners have walls filled with yesterdays magic lure.
The internet has given the frenzy buyers vast realtime access to information and sources. It's fun to watch but it must be interesting to be in the tackle business today with frantic buyers running in and out reacting to the hype. This is nothing new, the Original Big O by Fred Young became so hot back in the 70's that they were selling for $100 and that was a lot of money then. Anybody looking for greenweenie /blue flake?
Bruce was handing out his Fat Minnow swimbaits at last years Bass A Thon, where was everybody then?
Tom

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:37 am

Thanks for showing your true colors. I will never spend a dime at Bass Tackle Depot!!!

In my opinion you are no better then the guys who sell on e-bay. You are marking up the bait at almost twice what others are charging and then on top of this you are requiring your customers to buy additional tackle on top of this higher mark-up. If you think this is stopping those packs from being sold on e-bay you are very mistaken. It's not like the other baits you are forcing your customers to buy can't be sold on e-bay as well. Who cares if I lose a few dollars on those when I can make a ton on the Basstrix.

You guys might make some extra money now by holding your customers hostage but letâ€™s see how well you do next year now that you have alienated your customers.

Jon Levenson

macinckirk · Post by **macinckirk** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:51 am

basswest wrote:You know, this whole thread is just a waste. We cannot come within miles of supplying the guys calling everyday for the Basstrix. We only receive a few hundred packs a day and are sold out for days in advance. For those of you who just want to complain behind screen names - save the drama and just let the cycle pass thru. Please do not call or complain, 99% of what is on this thread is B.S. If you would like to comment on it, then know what you are talking about. I made a business decison early this year and ordered over 80,000 packs of Basstrix and then 60,000 more, I rolled the dice on what I felt and feel is the best of class in its product line. Now, if you are mad because you cannot get them or cannot specify a color or size -do not blame the stores or the manufacturer, just wait till the tidal wave is over. There are plenty of knock-offs out there - which we do not carry. The popularity of this bait is not going to vanish in a few weeks, we have been sold out everyday for 7 months. My company and its great staff always bends over backwards and works hard for our customers daily, so seeing this talk on this board just makes me shake my head. So until one of the resident scholars can figure out how to make these baits spawn and we can package more - a shortage will exist for some time. But according to this board you can buy all you want at Tackle it in Clear Lake, or at the Upcoming Bassathon. I would welcome the relief for the 1 hour any of those baits would last. Please purchase from your local tackle stores as they receive their orders of product, it is impossible for a single store to keep up with nation-wide demand. If you have any questions or would like to visit Oroville Outdoors or just help us answer phones please call me.

Thanks
Mark Mendez
408 396 8442

Don't worry you want have to answer any calls from me or ship anything to my House Again

basswest · Post by **basswest** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:05 am

Hey, Jon I will say again, this thread is a waste, I am just tired of posters speaking without knowing. NOBODY is being held hostage....... !!!!!!! Is that clear now !!!!!! . Please buy your product somewhere else. We will continue to take care of our customers as much as humanly possible and contrary to your mighty opinion we grew by over 4 thousand customers last year without Basstrix - due to good customer service and having the product. Again, you have no idea on what you speak. Just do not shop at the stores that do not meet your level and all is good.

Mark Mendez

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:42 am

Like it or not Mark and BTD are doing the best they can. You obviously have some other axe to grind or some kind of relationship with another tackle retailer.

Its all fine and dandy - but, the truth of the matter is BTD and Mark Mendez are doing what they think is best for the anglers who really want this bait.

Nobody is twisting your arm or holding you hostage to buy the baits. However, if you want them - there is now a way for you to get them without going to ebay.

I will say it again - BTD could sell the whole lot to 1 person to sell on ebay or sell them to 3 local tackle shops at full retial to sell in their shop at Retail plus a local shop profit. BTD would still make the same amount of money and it would probably be a lot easier for them as well. The only people that would hurt is the anglers! HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT?????

Better yet - you tell me your solution to getting these 200 packs of baits in the 10,000 people who want them's hands??? Give me your scenario that would be any more fair. Keep in mind - they need to get to the ANGLER's hands - not to the EBAY guys hands.

Maybe you are the one selling them on Ebay! My money is on that and that would explain your grief!

PS - I'll guarantee 1 thing. Angler's Marine's Bass-A-Thon's basstrix will be gone in the first 20 minutes... then guess what!!! There are going to be a lot of complainers about that. I don't care if they sell 1 pack to each person in order to spread them around - they'll still be gone by lunch time on day 1... and guys aren't going to be happy! There is no happy solution for this... Unless of course you give me one! Please do. Time to put your brain where your mouth is.. want to complain - then offer up a solution!

booyaa_az · Post by **booyaa_az** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:51 am

basswest wrote:You know, this whole thread is just a waste. We cannot come within miles of supplying the guys calling everyday for the Basstrix. We only receive a few hundred packs a day and are sold out for days in advance. For those of you who just want to complain behind screen names - save the drama and just let the cycle pass thru. Please do not call or complain, 99% of what is on this thread is B.S. If you would like to comment on it, then know what you are talking about. I made a business decison early this year and ordered over 80,000 packs of Basstrix and then 60,000 more, I rolled the dice on what I felt and feel is the best of class in its product line. Now, if you are mad because you cannot get them or cannot specify a color or size -do not blame the stores or the manufacturer, just wait till the tidal wave is over. There are plenty of knock-offs out there - which we do not carry. The popularity of this bait is not going to vanish in a few weeks, we have been sold out everyday for 7 months. My company and its great staff always bends over backwards and works hard for our customers daily, so seeing this talk on this board just makes me shake my head. So until one of the resident scholars can figure out how to make these baits spawn and we can package more - a shortage will exist for some time. But according to this board you can buy all you want at Tackle it in Clear Lake, or at the Upcoming Bassathon. I would welcome the relief for the 1 hour any of those baits would last. Please purchase from your local tackle stores as they receive their orders of product, it is impossible for a single store to keep up with nation-wide demand. If you have any questions or would like to visit Oroville Outdoors or just help us answer phones please call me.

Thanks
Mark Mendez
408 396 8442

99% of this thread is a waste? Lets see here so what your saying is that your not forcing people to buy the same amount of product equal to the basstrix? A simple yes or no answer will do! You are saying that if I wanted to ordered some bass trix and wanted a certain color is that what I will get? yes or no... If I call that number will I get to talk to you?
Trust me I dont have a damn thing to hide either!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:58 am

If you want to call me - feel free - you can CALL ME at 415-755-8463 anytime.

The answer is to your question is - We aren't forcing you to buy anything from Bass Tackle Depot at all.

booyaa_az · Post by **booyaa_az** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:02 am

How much money are you willing to put up that I am NOT SELLING THEM ON EBAY??
I just wanted to be treated fair as a customer and not get the BS story every other day as a customer should not get! you have to buy this or call at ten or call at three or you wont get that color!

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:04 am

let the thread die, Its a lose lose, When sponsors are on the line you are fighting a losing battle. Not saying WB is bias or anything, but how does that help them to have a sponsor bash going on?

Personally I would look at who I accept $$ from with an attitude like BTD... but it is where the PROS fish.

Im not in a position to make that choice. Again its my opinion.

I will gladly take my business somewhere else Mark and in my travels I'll spread the word about your attitude.

And In case I no longer reside here because of an opinion.
When we will as anglers catch on? Its all about hype. The guys touting the basstrix as the second coming dont tell you that the local pulling in 5+ was using a storm swimbait.
No its Basstrix basstrix, because thats their job... and how convienent that only ONE guy gets them consistently.

It would be nice for people to cancel their orders and go with a knockoff. See if BTD drops their prices then.

EDIT: for the Love of GOD im not FRED WARD. My idea of a swimbait turned out perfectly and I not selling it. I'd post some pics but Im sure my colors would get stolen.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:05 am

Well you are out of luck then... Because even if you want them from the Bass-A-thon which I highly suggest for you.. You better be there right when the door opens and even then - you better make a b-line straight for them!

Sorry you aren't happy - but, truth of the matter is - no matter how it would be handled you wouldn't be happy about it. You don't seem to get it 200 packs - 20,000 customers! No formula works!

Tom

macinckirk · Post by **macinckirk** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:14 am

I can See it Now this is going to Trun into the Same B/S that Happen on the northern side when Tom Leogrande got Started on the Legend Boat Deal when the person that started the ?? about buying a boat DIDN"T Even Ask about a Legend

This should be good for about 4 pages now

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:17 am

Hey Mac -

I didn't start the LEGEND boat thing.. I told the guys TEST DRIVE all the boats you want. but, I am not going to get into it with you..

Who are you anyway?

Sorry you lost your ebay money!

By the way MAC... I stick up for anything that I see is being wronged... I have even stuck up for LandBigFish.com and Wonbass... and those our our competitors. Believe it or not - I try and do whats right and stick up for those being wronged.

And you and BooyaaAZ or whatever are wrong on this. Anytime there is a supply and demand problem like this - SIMPLY PUT there is no solution! HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT?

macinckirk · Post by **macinckirk** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:24 am

TomLeogrande wrote:Hey Mac -

I didn't start the LEGEND boat thing.. I told the guys TEST DRIVE all the boats you want. but, I am not going to get into it with you..

Who are you anyway?

Sorry you lost your ebay money!

You Need to Chill Bro, just because People don't agree with you You Go off the deep end

1st off I'm a Nobody to you just like you are to me

2nd I have NEVER EVEN Seen this Bait in person So I'm not Selling Sh*t on E-bay

Man you Need to Get Over Yourself, Your not the Best thing that Hit the Fishing World

macinckirk · Post by **macinckirk** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:28 am

And all I'm Saying is I would NEVER Buy from someone that Told Me I had to buy anything More they I wanted to in the 1st Place

That to me is a Joke

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:36 am

TomLeogrande wrote:Like it or not Mark and BTD are doing the best they can. You obviously have some other axe to grind or some kind of relationship with another tackle retailer.

Its all fine and dandy - but, the truth of the matter is BTD and Mark Mendez are doing what they think is best for the anglers who really want this bait.

Nobody is twisting your arm or holding you hostage to buy the baits. However, if you want them - there is now a way for you to get them without going to ebay.

I will say it again - BTD could sell the whole lot to 1 person to sell on ebay or sell them to 3 local tackle shops at full retial to sell in their shop at Retail plus a local shop profit. BTD would still make the same amount of money and it would probably be a lot easier for them as well. The only people that would hurt is the anglers! HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT?????

Better yet - you tell me your solution to getting these 200 packs of baits in the 10,000 people who want them's hands??? Give me your scenario that would be any more fair. Keep in mind - they need to get to the ANGLER's hands - not to the EBAY guys hands.

Maybe you are the one selling them on Ebay! My money is on that and that would explain your grief!

PS - I'll guarantee 1 thing. Angler's Marine's Bass-A-Thon's basstrix will be gone in the first 20 minutes... then guess what!!! There are going to be a lot of complainers about that. I don't care if they sell 1 pack to each person in order to spread them around - they'll still be gone by lunch time on day 1... and guys aren't going to be happy! There is no happy solution for this... Unless of course you give me one! Please do. Time to put your brain where your mouth is.. want to complain - then offer up a solution!

Sorry Tom but you are wrong, I have no axe to grind or relationship with another tackle retailer and I have never sold or bought this bait on ebay as you suggest. I am just the average angler.

Simply put Mark and BTD are doing the best they can for BTD and Mark Mendez. They clearly could care less about the anglers you say they care about. If they cared about the anglers they would not be charging almost double the the retail price and on top of this still requiring matching non- basstrix purchases. As I mentioned in my prior post, this policy does nothing to keep these baits off of ebay and you are very shortsighted if you think that it does.

Those are the facts and you can scream, hollar and call me names all you want but the truth is the truth.

There is no easy solution to the supply problem other then getting Basstrix to make more which it does not look like is ever going to happen.

There is however a very easy solution to the BTD problem. Just sell the baits at the fair retail price and do not require the additional matching purchase.

Jon Levenson

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