Flouro...any need?

[kylebass91]

Im only 16 but ive been called old school. I throw mono on everything besides my wake baits and frogs which is 65pt power pro. I dont really think Flouro is going to make the HUGE difference that some people say. I'm pretty sure that its more skill in general than the difference of fishing lines.

just my 2c

Kyle Bass

[some guy]

FLOURO is a must, keep the mono for certain applications.

i only use mono on topwater baits to help the bait float..

maybe it wont matter on ponds and parks, but when you get out on lakes that get heavy fishing pressure...flouro will open your eyes.

[gt5bass]

Kyle,

Fluorocarbon has ALREADY made a HUGE difference for many people. I am one of them. I switched over to primarily using Fluorocarbon in 2004 and my success rate skyrocketed! (A big Thanks to Ray L. for turning me on to Sunline products!)

Remember all line types have applications that are better suited for their use.

Here is the lines I use and the basic applications I use them for:

• Fluorocarbon (heavy density, sinking) - Jigs (and other primarily bottom oriented techniques), some cranking and some ripping/jerkbait techniques (when I want a slow sink presentation)
  
  Mono (medium density, slow sinking) - Most reaction baits, some topwater, swimbaits and when a little more stretch is required.
  
  Braid (floats) - Topwater and flipping heavy vegetation

ps. Yes, I am on the promotional staff for Sunline but that came around because I was so successful with it and saw the difference it made in my ability to catch more fish!

[Darkman]

It will depend entirely on your experience with Floro.

To me....It made a huge difference to me...I primarily use 10# test and under with floro and go with Yozuri Hybrid for just about every else and I throw 25# Triple fish X Rated for Swim baits.

the Best floro is made by sunline (sniper is awesome)

but you are 16 and with limited funds....Try BPS XPS floro it cost way less and it is #3 on my list so far as floro. go

I f you try a crappy Floro then your gonna have a Negative experience with it (my first run came on Vanish )

but you have try for your self..some lessons can only be Experienced

Good luck

[DeltaBound]

300 yards of Mono for $8.00 and still catch as many fish ? actually the best line is free line but it's hard to find .

[Marty]

Tell us a little more about Yozuri Hybrid – I see it all the time in MalMark!

[Ricky-S]

I have not used mono in 6 or 7 years. I use either floro or braid.

[Moose]

I was at a seminar recently put on by Don Iovino. He swears that floro is the biggest scam going, says he uses mono for everything. That really kind of surprised me seeing as how he does so much finesse fishing. I don't agree with him though. I think floro definately has a place.

[Dave Wilson]

let's not forget that Flourocarbon lasts a lot longer than mono usually does. I like it better than mono because of that mostly.

[Ray L.]

Well why don't you ask Kyle Grover and some of the others out at D.V.L. if fluro makes a difference.
I think most guys cutting checks are useing fluro on there bottom baits.

[some guy]

you know it Ray...every rod in my boat has flouro from the wiffle spool up..if anyone thinks it doesnt make a difference there is a 100% bass event at DVL tomorrow..please come out.

[some guy]

you know it Ray...every rod in my boat has flouro from the wiffle spool up..if anyone thinks it doesnt make a difference there is a 100% bass event at DVL tomorrow..please come out.

[Darkman]

Tell us a little more about Yozuri Hybrid – I see it all the time in MalMark!

My honest opinion on Yozuri...Though I am now with Triple fish and Honestly do love that line (TF) here ya go

Great Casting: very smooth, right in the middle between a soft mono and a soft floro. (soft meaning XL)

out of all the Hybrids that I used (Cuda and floroclear) it was the very best one, To me...out performed them hands down

Not bad on top water (15#)...but

Not very tough, had to stop using it with jigs nicked a tad to easy for my taste. never lost a fish...but did loose jigs on the cast...good thing I re-tie often (one of my better habits)

also did not like it on Cranks, I prefer my line with more stretch...this is just my preference

hope this helped

[Marty]

Thank you Mr. Darkman,

Next time I’m in WalMark I will pick some up Yozuri Hybrid and give it a try. The cost is not that bad either.

[Brian D.]

.. the longer the bait soaks in the water or the longest time a fish can google at your bait is when I use floro. K.I.S.S.

Floro applications (Full spool)
Dropshot
Jigs

(Partial use)
Leaders on C-rig
Leaders on Swimbait (braid --> 15 ft. length)

Fast technique = Mono
cranking, blade, rippin, spoon, ice jig.

[CN]

Well I seem to go in spurt's when I Bass fish but the last year or so I switched to the Floro line and my fishing seem's to have improved.

Is it the line.....good enough for me.I think you will see an improvement.I bet they invented it for our clear lake's out here anyway didnt they

Mike Nance

[FISHMANLEE]

Whats Floro???? DACRON is what u want

[Ralph_198]

What line for Splitshotting?

[Jasper Williams]

What line for Splitshotting?

fLORO

I had my first crack with floro with vanish. After losing 2 fish over 6lb at a dvl night tourney last year I never used it again.

[Ralph_198]

Fluoro sinks, therefore for Splitshotting doesn't Fluro defeat the purpose of floating a worm up off the botttom? Also, how do you keep the splitshot from sliding down? and how did Mr. Trask catch all his fish? If it didn't matter then, why does it matter now? Just asking, not meant to offend.

[dockboy]

My general rules are this:

Flouro for plastics, jigs and light flipping. If its a finesse bait, a Sweet Beaver, most anything plastic, I throw the flouro. I use 20lb. flouro on my lighter pitch/flip setup. Drops shot, darter, shaking, Senkos, ANYTHING plastic, I use flouro. When you put it with a high quality, sensitive stick, you'll get better sensitivity and a more direct connection with the bait, because it sinks.

Mono is what I use on the majority of my reaction rods. High stretch factor means I have a bit more "rubber band factor" when that 4lber I just hooked on a crank goes pyschotic and starts throwing hooks everywhere. Cranks, rip, most spinnerbaiting, mono is my choice. I also use mono for swimbait. Yes, flouro does give you less stretch and therefore more powerful hooksets. But what happens when you set that hook with bone breaking force and there's nick in your flouro? That's why I use mono with my SBs. I change line very often if I'm fishing a lot of SBs, and heavy mono is cheaper to replace frequently than flouro. And at 25lb. test strength, the abrasion resistance between mono and flouro is noticeable but I don't worry. If 25lb mono can handle a albie or forktail on a hot run, it shouldn't have a problem with bass. And if I start seeing more nicks in the line, I put fresh line on. Can't do that often when flouro costs close to $20 a filler spool in 25lb.

I like Seaguar InvizX for my flouro and Maxima for my mono, in open water. If I'm fishing cover, I'll switch my reaction rods over to P-Line CX. I just haven't had the luck as far as abrasion resistance goes with Max, even though retie a lot on the water. As far as Seaguar goes, I love it. I get a good deal on it and has awesome abrasion resistance. Good stuff. Can't go wrong with Sunline easier, I just like the Seaguar because I get a better deal

[dockboy]

Sorry, 2nd post. My computer f'ed up

[Oldschool]

I was at a seminar recently put on by Don Iovino. He swears that floro is the biggest scam going, says he uses mono for everything. That really kind of surprised me seeing as how he does so much finesse fishing. I don't agree with him though. I think floro definately has a place.

Just read this today and thought a few statements may clear this up a little.
100% flurocarbon line has the same light refraction as water, therefor invisable to the human eye. The problem with fluorocarbon is in the processing of the fiber into a filament line requires high quality controls to elimate flaws from batch to batch. The biggest issue being knot strength and being water proof. Nylon line is hygroscopic and absorbs water during the day when fishing. Fluorocarbon will not aborb moisture of any kind, therefor tends to jump off the reel easily, making casting a challenge under some conditions and line twist an issue.
The Japanese have been processing fluorocarbon line longer than anyone else and seem to have a better handle on qualtiy issues.
When you add up all the problems with fluorocarbon line and compare the only real advantage being light refraction, it is easy to come to the conclusion that flurocarbon isn't the panacea for fishing line.
How a bass see line underwater and how that affects the strike ratio verses monofilament is anyones guess. Apparently Iovino believes, from his experience, the problems with fluro out weight any advantage.
IMO fluoro line is still developing and I'm still experimenting with it and haven't made up my mind yet. Sunline shooter seems to work well with jigs and worms. All the other fluorocarbon brands I have used have had line breakage issues.
Tom

[Oldschool]

Just a note to those who fish Sunline Shooter and FC Sniper.
The Shooter may be discontinued in a few months and the Sniper may have a price increase of 2X soon.
The demand for high end fluorocarbon line is going down as the cheaper fluorocarbon line grow. You might want to check into when prices are increasing and stock up.
Tom

[Ray L.]

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When and where did you hear this?

[Oldschool]

HHHHMMMMMMMMMM
When and where did you hear this?

Contact your Sunline supplier.
Tom

[TEAMDEADMONEY]

Jigs- Flouro

crig- flouro

topwater- mono

Icejig/spoons- flouro (a MUST because of its lack of stretch in deep water compared to mono.)

dropshot/split shot/t- rig- flouro

swimbaits-mono

frogs- braid

jerkbaits- i use both depending on which bait im using, depth etc..

cranks- mono

Flouro lasts MUCH longer then mono and has less stretch by a long ways.

Remember ...line is just one of the tools in catching fish....you can have the best flouro on a crappy reel with a bad drag and you are going to be toast. A good reel and rod are just as crucial in your success.
Somebody mentioned earlier that they used 6 lb flouro and lost a big fish at night at DVL....well first off..if it was a night tournament then you should have upsized your line because bass are not line shy at night the way they are during the day. If you were dropshotting at night you could have used 8-12 lb. on the dropshot and been fine. I personally use 10 on my drop shot at night, sometimes bigger..up to even 15lb.
I use 4 & 6 lb. flouro on my dropshot and have had alot of success. I use Diawa Sol spinning reels paired with Powell spinning Rods. That seems to be a great combo....Great line, excellent reel, and really nice rods. As I said, the line is just one of the tools to success.
Another thing that needs to be done when fishing 4-6 lb flouro is you need to check your line for damage EVERY SINGLE CAST. And I always bite the line and retie it after EVERY FISH whether there is damage or not...thats just me.

just my 2 pennies..

Pete

[DougH]

Nice summary Petey, ya got it all in one post.

[Caveman]

Kyle,
I guess I'm "old school", too. I am definitely a "Mono Man".
Though, I must say, I'm feeling more confident about it being in Mr. Iovino's fine company.

[Roboworm99]

I have used Vanish...not saying it's the best line out there but I have never broken off a fish on it...in fact i landed a 24 lb carp on 4lb...it is an inexpensive line and it's a little stiff, but i have caught numerous fish on the line without any problems.

My catch total has gonna up immensley since the switch to fluoro.

I do think depending on the conditions and the lures you are throwing fluoro has a place.

I throw fluoro on everthing except topwater & swimbaits, I use mono. But going to rig my swimbait rod with fluoro soon and give a try.

[Scott E.]

Just carefully tie your knots on the flouro. Clinch knots for me as in the early days I broke off palomars. Lots of spit before you cinch it down. I have noticed a big difference in the worm bites I get at DVL since using flouro after getting waxed by my buddy using it and I was using mono. Scott

[Oldschool]

Knot tying is critical with most fishing line, however with fluorocarbon knots become the weakest link and greatest source of problems.
We tend rate line with factors like memory, stretch, abrasion resistance, impact and knot strength. Most fluor's are small diameter, high tensile, high memory line with good abrasion resistance. All those factors make fluoro a good choice for lures fished underwater. Knot strength is a real issue with fluorocarbon line. Palomar, Uni, Trilene, San Diego and braid knots all can work well...IF...tied without deforming the line during the knot clinching process. The San Diego (spider hitch) works well when tied properly and this takes practice. I use TangleFree lubricant on my fluoro line for knot tying and casting.
My recommendation is to test each knot after tying. I keep a leather shoe string tied in a loop on my front pedestal and test knots with it.
Tom

[Kyle]

heres an example. when i did the hank parker show at dv he said the same thing. the smallest line he brought to drop shot with was 8 pound mono. i told him he needed floro but he didnt believe in it. the first day and a half we were there.. to say the least... he got whooped. After we went and got him some Sunline Sniper he whooped on me. the stuff works...period.. and if you want the best go with sunline. Sniper on the spinning rods, Shooter on the baitcasters.