Pardee shame on you...

[ripdlip]

Check out the "Recent Success Stories" at the bottom of the page. What a shame....all thos beautiful fish on a wire stringer...dinner anyone? Why would Pardee official promote that? Sucks man.
http://www.pardeelakerecreation.com/fishing_report.htm

[Johnny C]

That really sucks...They just don't get it and never will!!!!!

[Robert F]

Go ahead and kill em all then they can close it. I cant go on that lake anyway. Even though my boat is cleaner than those guys holding that stringer. It will be interesting to see what happens at these restricted waters if they get the mussel. Who are they going to blame it on then?

[hydro]

I believe at Castaic lake down south live crawdads have been banned as bait since its been documented the Quagga mussels/larva will attach to the crawfish's shell . Since it will be impossible to verify just where the crawdad came from If East Bay MUD is serious about stopping the Quagga introduction they should place an immediate ban on using crawfish as bait on their lakes . .......... Below is some info from a Cal DFG report addressing the problem(s)

Zebra and quagga mussels are native to European waters in the Black and Caspian Sea basins.
Juveniles and adults of both species attach to hard surfaces using a net of tough fibers called
byssal threads, and also have the ability (significantly greater in quagga mussels) to build up
populations over time on soft substrates (Mills et al. 1996; Berkman et al. 1998). Both species
spawn in the spring to fall period and produce large numbers of planktonic larvae (veligers) that
typically spend one to several weeks drifting in the water column before settling and attaching to
the bottom (Sprung 1993; Ackerman et al. 1994; Cohen and Weinstein 2001). Developmental
times and planktonic periods are longer at lower temperatures, and in some cases veligers may
remain in the plankton over the winter (Nichols 1996; McMahon 1996). Juveniles and adults can
detach, crawl short distances, and then reattach with new byssal threads, and juveniles can detach
and drift in the plankton, sometimes "kiting" on byssal threads or crawling on the underside of
the air-water surface (Oldham 1930; Martel 1993; Carlton 1993; Ackerman et al. 1994).
Juveniles or adults that attach to aquatic plants can also travel significant distances when parts of
the plants break off and float away. Natural dispersal upstream or overland between water bodies
may possibly occur on birds (e.g. as veligers or small mussels in mud stuck to legs or feathers) or
attached to other organisms (e.g. crayfish, turtles) (Carlton 1993; Mackie and Schloesser 1996;
Johnson and Carlton 1996). Details of the mussels' life history are reviewed in several papers
(e.g. Mackie et al. 1989; Claudi and Mackie 1994; Mackie and Schloesser 1996; McMahon

[Greg_Cornish]

following message sent to pardeeinfo@yahoo.com

With all the promotion of Catch and Release fisherman do, you show those damned hill billies with those beautiful bass on a wire stringer on the front page of your web site. You're idiots.

[wccjanel]

Hate to play Devil's advocate, but the State of California states that we all can keep 5 bass each time we go out. Because most of us choose not to, does that make it right for us to cast dispersions on those who do? As outdoorsmen, we quite often advocate the proper population management of coyotes, boars, and mountain lions, but get all bent out of shape when someone harvests a few bass - when he is fully within his rights to do so. Kinda harsh ain't it?

Just because the fish we chase are green, doesn't mean we have to be.

Peace,
James

[ripdlip]

James,
Come on Bro. These arent just 5 bass. These are trouphy class smallmouth that carry with them a gene to reach the size they are. Keep bass Bro, like all Spots for one. Even if these were 5 2.5 smallies I would have a way less problem with it. But you know the smallmouth they kept were FULL of eggs and carry that gene that have the potential to be the size they are. Preety sure we dont need "Population Managment" on 5+ lb smallmouth. Just my 2 cents and good thing I have the right to express it. No hard feeling.

[lmartinez]

boy what i would give to catch such nice smallies and then release them back to fight again for some lucky anglers len

[Hollywood]

Hate to play Devil's advocate, but the State of California states that we all can keep 5 bass each time we go out. Because most of us choose not to, does that make it right for us to cast dispersions on those who do? As outdoorsmen, we quite often advocate the proper population management of coyotes, boars, and mountain lions, but get all bent out of shape when someone harvests a few bass - when he is fully within his rights to do so. Kinda harsh ain't it?

Just because the fish we chase are green, doesn't mean we have to be.

Peace,
James

I agree, some people wish to keep there catch and some like me and others release them back so others can catch them again but if you have a license and are not breaking any laws, keep your catch if your going to eat it!

[Greg_Cornish]

James,
Come on Bro. These arent just 5 bass. These are trouphy class smallmouth .....

That was my thinking. I've kept a few bass that have gill damage and are floaters, but C&R is a good practice. Bass aren't stocked as much as Trout and don't reproduce as well as crappie and bluegill. Everything legal isn't ethical.

Sure it happens, but for a website to show it like its a perfectly acceptable practice is just plain silly.

[SHAFT]

I don't get it , why is it when someone posts a pic. of a big buck , elk , bear , pig , etc. he or she is congratulated [ go check out the hunting photo section ] and if you take you legal limit of bass your the bad guy ? I have heard from a few knowledgeable people that in order to keep a pond or lake healthy fish need to be harvested .

[Guy Kelley]

Are we jumping to the wrong conclusions here !?

How do we know that the fish were not released unharmed ?

Just because they were on a stringer doesnt mean they were going to be cooked in some ones fry pan dose it ?

At the time of the picture they look pretty healthy. What happened after is the question !?

[ripdlip]

Geesh. We all know that it is "legal". But like Greg said just because it is legal does not make it ethical. I cant imagine a true bass fisherman looking at that as if it is ok. Mybe I am way out there. Please stop comparing to hunting. When you go hunting you go to kill. Period. Your right, to keep a lake healthy harvesting is needed but not the trophy fish. That is where the majority of reproduction comes from. Like I said, keep the 2 to 3 pound fish but leave the fish that we need to maintain this fishery.

[Hollywood]

Geesh. We all know that it is "legal". But like Greg said just because it is legal does not make it ethical. I cant imagine a true bass fisherman looking at that as if it is ok. Mybe I am way out there. Please stop comparing to hunting. When you go hunting you go to kill. Period. Your right, to keep a lake healthy harvesting is needed but not the trophy fish. That is where the majority of reproduction comes from. Like I said, keep the 2 to 3 pound fish but leave the fish that we need to maintain this fishery.

How do you know these anglers did not go there to catch fish to eat? How is that any different than hunting? What is wrong if an angler wants to catch fish to eat?

[Greg_Cornish]

I don't get it , why is it when someone posts a pic. of a big buck , elk , bear , pig , etc. he or she is congratulated and if you take you legal limit of bass your the bad guy ? I have heard from a few knowledgeable people that in order to keep a pond or lake healthy fish need to be harvested .

I release all my bucks after I shoot em. Seriously, hunting seasons are controlled differently, from limited hunting, lotteries and closed areas and closed seasons.

Just because they were on a stringer doesnt mean they were going to be cooked in some ones fry pan dose it ?

Ya, after you shove a metal stringer through their lip and drag em behind a boat for a while, that pretty much means they are food.

At the time of the picture they look pretty healthy. What happened after is the question !?

Fillets most likely.

[492slayer]

Shaft makes a good point. While I personally keep no smallmouth, I have started making it a habit to take home a limit of spots for fish taco's and such. I do not take fish over the slot at Oroville, and if I'm at some of the other lakes, I look for fish in the 12-14" range. I figure when it's costing me $300-500 a month for boat payment, insurance, gas and more for tackle, I'm going to enjoy having a few fillets now and then. It's not every trip, hell most of us don't get out more than 3-4 times per month with work and family. Also, it helps the population to remove a few fish. I do not like to see people taking the large "trophy" sized fish from the water, but it is their right to do so. The only way to change that is to convince DFG to apply size and possesion limits. You are not going to convince the guys like those in the picture to throw them back, it just isn't going to happen. When I started bass fishing out of bellyboats in 1981, my friends and I used to keep the fish like that. It didn't take us long to figure it out when we weren't catching the big ones anymore. A lesson learned a long time ago... The next time you see someone like those with the stringer, you might try and educate them to C&R, but the odds are they won't listen.

[biteme]

Im just glad that most fishermen dont act like the rest of the people on this earth. As anglers we love the sport for what it is and RESPECT other fishermen. Odds are those same fish have been cought many of times. They were released to be cought again another day. Now we do have a small percent that think" I have my five fish limit" These are the fishermen that dont respect the sport OR other fishermen. Its usually the guy that likes to parade around his fish and says look what I cought. These same guys should be thanking guys that catch and release. Because without us those fish wouldnt be there.
If you want fish that bad take a trip to long johns and get you a number five for about five bucks. That way the fish will be there for our future generations. Just my .02

[Greg_Cornish]

The next time you see someone like those with the stringer, you might try and educate them to C&R, but the odds are they won't listen.

Yes, true, that Mercury build-up from those bigger fish takes a toll on the brain.

I try not to eat fish I catch because I'd have to justify the price per pound. Its so cheap to buy it at the store. $2.50 a pound for Talapia - nearly as good as Crappie. Farm raised, keeps our fisheries unharmed.

[ripdlip]

Hollywood,
You are bass fisherman right? Did I ever say it was not ok to catch and keep. You keep skirting the real issue. I know these guys went to catch and keep. Nothing wrong with that at all. But why the big ol prego girls...that is all I am sayin. Do hunters shoot pregnant deer? No.
No hard feelings Hoolywood, I just want you to understand my posistion on the big female part that is all. Later Bro.
Jared Kiernan

[Hollywood]

Hollywood,
You are bass fisherman right? Did I ever say it was not ok to catch and keep. You keep skirting the real issue. I know these guys went to catch and keep. Nothing wrong with that at all. But why the big ol prego girls...that is all I am sayin. Do hunters shoot pregnant deer? No.
No hard feelings Hoolywood, I just want you to understand my posistion on the big female part that is all. Later Bro.
Jared Kiernan

I know you have no hard feelings and either do I, I was just stating my opinion. No I am not out shoot prego deer although the state does issue doe tags but you can't denie we are looking for the biggest buck or elk out there.

But back to your subject, we both see differently, I release all my bass and I am happy to with the exception of a few small spotted bass every now and then for some taco's. However if someone wants to keep there catch more power to them, i hate to see them keep a big un but talking about it and shaming them here on a forum isn't the right thing, Someone already mentioned it, if you are that passionate about it, you should bring up the issues to DFG and your local lake and educate them on why there should be a slot limit on your local lake.

but shaming a few anglers who are out to enjoy themselves and catch a limit of bass or any fish for that matter and turn them into dinner isn't the right thing to do. You should be more concerened about the people who catch a bass then throw it on the bank for the birds and wild animals to get!

Kevin Johnson

[STONEFREE]

I heard those bass where released after photos, The owners of lake pardee are doing a great job. They have a jewel, and they know it. Big thanks to Richard and his wife. John lowe

[ripdlip]

Well if those fish were indeed released then I would like to apologize. I just get so frustrated at some peoples lack of respect for the fishery. Props to them (the anglers who caught the fish).
By the way I wasnt trying to shame the fisherman rather the Pardee website for promoting it. That is all.......sorry for my rant then..

[Greg_Cornish]

I heard those bass where released after photos,

Where'd you hear that? DFG say's keeping them out of water for more than 4 minutes can brain damage them. If they had stringers shoved through their lips they weren't kept in a live well. If they were dragged beside the boat they were damaged. If they weren't dragged beside the boat then they were out of water when they traveled. Those bass ended up dead.

You can't preach catch and release and say its okay to keep and eat 5 trophy base. That's living in 2 worlds at once.

[Guy Kelley]

For years Pardee was know and still is know as a put and take lake.

I have been fishing there since the day it was opened. I knew about the bass fishery there quite some time ago and thought it was sort of my little secrete. I let the trout and kokanee fishermen be and they left me alone.

I caught many a 5 pound small mouth there and have seen much larger as well as very big L/M. The pressure was on the trout and Kokanee not bass. It was all about the Delta and Clear Lake.

Pardee was a sleeper. Now some one catches a state record Small Mouth and pretty soon everyone one wants a piece of the pie. Pretty soon it will suck just like Comanche dose. That was a sleeper for years until they started to have tournements then it went down hill pretty dam fast.

My point is No body got to excited when they showed the pictures of Dee Thomas with his huge stringer (7) dead bass off the side of his boat, back in the day of before C&R, But show a couple of guys now with a stringer of fish and every one goes nuts.

Get off the band wagon and soap box, how many fish have you killed over the years, even though you practice C & R !?

to me its what I do as a conservative and conservationist that is important, not if a couple of guys want to eat a few bass. So what ?.... You ever pull a bass off it nest throw it in a live well , run into a weigh in and just dump it back into the lake 5, 10 or 15 miles from were it was. What about the loss of eggs that the gills and dad's ate when she was gone ? You don't seem to much worry about that? But those eggs are the future generation you seem to be so darn concerned with !
How about the bucket brigade of whole family's lined up on the bank of the river or lake edge you pass that are making fish chowder out of any thing they catch, what are you doing about that?

Practice what you preach fellas !!!

[Brian]

Good Post Guy, I agree with all you just said.

It was also good to meet you Yesterday.

[ripdlip]

Guy,
If I had a dime for every guy that said he had been fishing Pardee for years before all the hype. Your secret lake huh?
Hmmm, wonder why it will suck like Camanche? Because people start keeping everything they catch? Thanks for helping my point.
"Back in the day" less people were aware of the effects of keeping those big bass. But thanks to more knowledge people are understanding what happens to a fishery when people take those big uns. Remember when B.A.S.S used to kill all the fish in there tournaments? Wonder why they stopped that practice?
Your whole post was a contradiction. " Pardee was a sleeper until everyone started fishing it, it will suck like Camanche is now. So what if people keep em". Make up your mind..are you mad at people overfishing and keeping or is it ok to keep. Hard to understand you dude.
And since when did they "Put" 5lb smallmouth? Or any smallmouth for that matter?

[Fishin' Dave]

Pardee was a sleeper until everyone started fishing it, it will suck like Camanche is now

Guy was refering to fishing pressure. If the bass never see a plastic worm, they are bitting that! If they start seeing 500 a week, well lockjaw happens; like camanche

BTW, Camanche is great this time of year

[g-man]

I have seen this topic on here so many times!!!!

I practice C&R, I don't even eat the small bass. But if someone is with in the laws of fishing, and wants to eat some bass so be it! Its his right to do so!! Try to teach C&R, but leave the guys that want to catch, and eat alone, again its there right![/code]

[Greg_Cornish]

Get off the band wagon and soap box, how many fish have you killed over the years, even though you practice C & R !?

I recall 3

You ever pull a bass off it nest throw it in a live well , run into a weigh in and just dump it back into the lake 5, 10 or 15 miles from were it was.

No. I don't have a live well. Everything goes right back in.

Practice what you preach fellas !!!

I will.

Ate farm Tilapia tonight. Better than Crappie. Man it was tasty. $2.50 a pound.

[getalife]

Those were nice smallies! I personally have never kept a bass. I did eat bass when I was fishing lake Huites in Mexico and it was pretty good, but I would not keep a bass from Clearlake and eat it. Those guys in the photo just arent as intimate with the subject as we all are. Im sure they were very proud of themselves and sent the picture to everyone they know. There is nothing wrong with that. After that trip, they probably bought a Ranger and loaded it with Dobyns rods and never kept a fish again. My point is that these guys were probably having a great time, which is what fishing is all about, and their success that day may have ignited a new passion in fishing. You just cant slam a guy for having a good time doing something that is totally legal. I know some of you are passionate about your beliefs (and want every one to live the way you do)... but so is PETA.

[Guy Kelley]

[quote="Greg_Cornish"][quote="Guy Kelley"]Get off the band wagon and soap box, how many fish have you killed over the years, even though you practice C & R !?[/quote]

I recall 3

[quote="Guy Kelley"]You ever pull a bass off it nest throw it in a live well , run into a weigh in and just dump it back into the lake 5, 10 or 15 miles from were it was. [/quote]

No. I don't have a live well. Everything goes right back in.

[quote="Guy Kelley"]Practice what you preach fellas !!![/quote]

I will.

Ate farm Tilapia tonight. Better than Crappie. Man it was tasty. $2.50 a pound.[/quote]

Then i guess you can self anoint yourself for Sainthood , while the rest of us poor pond scum just have to get along some how while we blindly bump into each other. What a pity we are no so enlightened.

As for Mr Rip Lip, talk about selective quote's. I am all about overfishing any spices or over take of anything period.

you were good at using my word against me I ll give you that.

But I noticed that you still dint say anything about bucket brigades, bed fishing. HMMM, why not !? to busy flag wrapping.

Oh by the way the first time i fished Comanche for bass was in 1969, the first time i fished Pardee was in 1971 for bass.

[Terry Smith]

At the price we have to pay to pull the boat to the lake fuel for the boat,price of boat and truck plus two guys fishing at Pardee lets see hhhmmmmmmm Them bass cost more per pound than FRESH MAINE LOBSTER. Dinner is served

[Steve]

I think what Jared is trying to say is that in todays fishing world, where fishing pressure is extreme, that selective harvest is necessary to maintain the high quality fisheries that we all love and are lucky to have. I for one feel very lucky to have such high quality fisheries, and many of them, to enjoy whenever I want. Its what keeps me in Cali.

The larger bass in small lakes cannot sustain high harvest rates; its likely that the larger smallmouth in Pardee are fairly old. High harvest of that size fish in that size lake leads to a decrease in quality. We have all seen it happen. When it happens we all lose something that we treasured.

I preach harvest of smaller fish; in some lakes the larger fish can be harvested with little to no effect. The Delta is a shining example of this, maybe even Clear Lake. Pardee smallmouth are a shining example of a lake that cant sustain such harvest. Anybody ever wonder why Trinity doesnt kick out 7 pounders like it used to?

With that said, I see no reason why somebody would want to keep 5 big smallmouth (not saying they actually did). And those that normally do this, usually do it very frequently. I think its irresponsible, selfish and extremely inconsiderate. Keep the sub 12 inch fish to eat, they taste great. Leave the gems for everybody to enjoy.

[ripdlip]

Guy,
Hey bud I dont want to be getting into a big ol to do. This whole site is for teaching and shareing. Sorry if I have offended you. I have caught bed fish, but never in a tournament. Not sure what bucket brigades are but sounds bad anyway.
Steve had it right, selective harvest is what I was trying to get across, maybe I didnt do that well explaining it better but that is what I meant.
Guy, no hard feelings, I think generally speaking we all want to protect our resource and keep good things going. Be safe.....