One of the often asked questions on this forum

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:31 pm

The question that seems to come up at least once a year is how much the non boater should pay the boater for a day on the water.
First of all, the only people that I have taken on to support were my wife and kids, all others need to pay their own way
There are lots of ways to think about this issue.
If you are talking about a team tournament I think the split at the
minimum should be a straight 50/50 cost of expenses including oil.

The boater starts out with tow vehicle and boat full of fuel and fills it again at the end of the day and the non boater pays half. There are many other cost factors that the nonboater should consider if he truely wants to be fair and not a free loader.
What would you do with a friend who always let you buy the beer pr the cokes or the lunch and never opened his own wallet.

For draw tournaments shared weight and others, why would the guy who provides the boat want to give a stranger a free ride?
No Valid reason that I can think of. But more to the point why would anyone expect to get a free ride.

I quite often burn $50 to $60 of gas for a days fishing. I am providing a boat with accessories that would cost close to $45,000. The depretiation on Bass boats is close to $1000 per month for the first year. Am I expected to provide all of this as a free service. I dont think so.
Anyone who thinks I should is a freeloader and I dont care to associate myself with that type of person.
What the rest of you guys to do, is of course your own choice.

FATGUY · Post by **FATGUY** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:47 pm

wow i have a boat and i almost disagree with everything you said EXCEPT gas used while non boater is in boat .. you want depreciation included ?? how about depreciation on your truck ?? fishing gear ?? boat equipment.. i never knew anyone who when buying a boat considered any of this.. lets see ?? shall i buy a boat hhmm i can get the non boater to pay a lot .. oh ok i'll buy..... if any of this came to mind when i was buying a boat . I COULDN'T AFFORD A BOAT .. half of expenses incurred while non boater HAD USE OF BOAT OK .. ANYTHING ELSE IS GRAVY .. GAS FOR MY TRUCK ?? not!!! I WAS GOING FISHING ANYWAY SO THE FACT I HAD SOMEONE IN THE BACK OF MY Boat DIDN'T MAKE ME USE MORE GAS IN TRUCK ?? ANYWAY JUST MY .02 BOB G

mac (Doyle McEwen) · Post by **mac (Doyle McEwen)** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:04 pm

Jin, I can agree with a lot you brought up, but the guy in the back of the boat was not the one that bought the boat..Should he help pay for the boat, no, not really..Should he help cover the costs of the day, most certainly..But just those associated with the day on the water..Chances are he provided his own way there, surely you don't espect him to pay for your gas to and from do you..If he wasn't there you would use your boat anyway and cover all costs yourself..I know I would chip in a healthy amount to go fishing..Currently when I do go, chances are the boater picks me up and drops me off..In that case I will gladly pay for the gas to and from and for what we use on the water..If we stop for lunch, I'll gladly pay that and the launch..I'll even pay for dinner..I don't
expect to pay nothing, although there have been times when the boater has refused payment..Being on a fixed retirement income, I need to watch my bucks as much as the next man, paying my share for a fishing trip is something I plan on..

mac

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:05 pm

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:34 pm

mac (Doyle McEwen) wrote:Jin, I can agree with a lot you brought up, but the guy in the back of the boat was not the one that bought the boat..Should he help pay for the boat, no, not really..Should he help cover the costs of the day, most certainly..But just those associated with the day on the water..Chances are he provided his own way there, surely you don't espect him to pay for your gas to and from do you..If he wasn't there you would use your boat anyway and cover all costs yourself..I know I would chip in a healthy amount to go fishing..Currently when I do go, chances are the boater picks me up and drops me off..In that case I will gladly pay for the gas to and from and for what we use on the water..If we stop for lunch, I'll gladly pay that and the launch..I'll even pay for dinner..I don't
expect to pay nothing, although there have been times when the boater has refused payment..Being on a fixed retirement income, I need to watch my bucks as much as the next man, paying my share for a fishing trip is something I plan on..

mac

Perfect! Split the cost of the day 50/50.

Jim, ditch the free loaders LOL.

BIG DADDY BLUE RANGER · Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:30 pm

Hmmmmmm,, lets see... $50-60 a day for boat gas, $10 for launch, $5 for oil........ sounds like $40 a day from the non boater is just right for a full day.....

Tow vehicle gas,,, did you commute together? ,,, weren't you going fishing anyhow?,, did you offer to pay your non boater for their travel gas expense?

Pre-fish gas... how much you pre-fish is your choice.... weren't you going to pre-fish anyhow??? A lot of guys find pre-fish partners and already share that expense. Did you offer to pay your non boater for their pre-fish expenses assuming they have there own boat????

Boat payment and depreciation..... how much one chooses to spend for a boat is their own business. Can someone still catch em out of less expensive new boat or good used boats. Did you offer to pay for your non baoters boat payment or help out with their depreciation???? weren't you going to buy a boat anyhow?

A lot of guys who fish as AM in Pro-Am's are boaters every other day of the year and are vary aware of the expenses of boat ownership and tournament fishing. I can't think of too many days where $40 wouldn't have covered half the days expense for boat gas, launch fee and boat oil.. Did you offer your non boater a choice as to how much running around they wanted to pay for,,, or was it all the boaters decisions....

After all,, weren't you going to fish the tournament anyhow

Fair is fair,, half the days expense is just right and all anybody should ever expect or ask for.... with current gas prices,, $40 is probably just right for most full tournament days.... extra running around,, maybe a little more..

Good fishing and good luck drawing a rich non boater to buy you a shiny new boat

Popper · Post by **Popper** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:42 pm

As I noted on an previous post regarding this subject:
There is no free ride in life, and that includes riding and fishing on a Bass boat.

The boat depreciation and maintenance comes with owning the boat, and I don't believe Jim C. was expecting a daily charge based on the owners responsibility. His point was to indicate that the boater incurs more cost than just the fuel, and a back seater fishing throughout the day should have the decently to contribute to the fuel cost without question.

I fish on saltwater boats throughout the year (when I am not bass fishing on my boat), and never complain towards contributing my share of fuel and traveling on saltwater fishing trips. If you guys think you have it bad towing and running a bass boat, try paying the fuel bill for towing a 8000lb boat and running 200-300 miles in the ocean fishing for tuna.
These rigs are huge and expensive to run, and is why we gather 3-4 guys to go out on these trips. Our fuel bill runs between $450.00 -$500.00 dollars a trip (traveling and fishing). No one ever complains and is prepared to pay the cost.

It's beyond me why some non-boaters (Bass fisherman) make this an issue regarding sharing in the days fuel expense.

Ed

gabuelhaj · Post by **gabuelhaj** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:10 am

As a non-boater, you can rent a local boat for what, $75 a day now?

Seems $40 is a little short....

Slippy · Post by **Slippy** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:14 am

i sdont think anyone would expect a non-boater to pay for prefishing gas that he didnt prefish in....

L Dub · Post by **L Dub** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:32 am

[quote]As a non-boater, you can rent a local boat for what, $75 a day now?[/quote]

the only places that are even close to $75 rental are the EBMUD lakes. All others it's at LEAST $100 to rent a boat for a day. Most of the time the rentals aren't even worth it unless you pay over $200 for the day. Rentals are NOT CHEAP.

I'd rather pay $40-50 to get on the back of someone's boat any day. You also have to consider that non of the rentals have perks like you would hope to find on someone's boat. Electronics, GPS, most importantly - TROLLING MOTORS!

GITBIT · Post by **GITBIT** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:38 am

My response to those who complain about the draw backs of draw tournaments, is to not fish draw tournaments. Stick to team tournaments and you won't feel cheated by "Freeloaders". Large draw circuits should come up with a flat minimum fee for non-boaters to give to their boaters.That fee should be adjusted yearly of course, due to crazy gas prices.

Mike

drew · Post by **drew** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:24 am

I usually give the boater $20-30/day. Does that seem acceptable? I have not had any of my boaters complain that it was not enough and I usually ask them if that amount was ok.

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:29 am

drew wrote:I usually give the boater $20-30/day. Does that seem acceptable? I have not had any of my boaters complain that it was not enough and I usually ask them if that amount was ok.

I would say 20-30 is ok if your fishing a local lake.
If my non boater meets me at the ramp I would never ask for gas for the truck. BUT if they carpool then its another story.
Theres a reason why I fish with the guys I do.

Brian Ruthman · Post by **Brian Ruthman** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:45 am

Last year i fished the Stren , i offered $60.00 to one of my Pro's at the end of the day .......he then told me $80.00 would be more like it . So i gave him another twenty , i almost felt like telling him he was an a$$ but i didnt say anything . Once i fished a TOC and the Pro i drew told me he didnt buy any gas because he was basically out of the tourney on the first day, funny thing is i was leading the Am side by 6lbs . I said you dont have any fuel , he told me if i knew of a marina i could fill up his boat . I didnt give him any gas money at the end of the day ! Some Pro's i offerd money too wouldnt take it , one guy told me he wrote it all off and wouldnt take any money . I guess it is all in the financial situation of the Pro , some guys are lucky to be fishing at all with prices the way they are . One Pro that lived out of state told me he doesnt tow a boat around he has a truck and new Ranger in each state he fishes in storage , to that guy some gas money probably doesnt mean much .
So i think you got to figure how much you run around during the day and guess how much fuel you burn , or just check out the fuel gauge in the morning and check it out when your done for the day . Its pretty easy to figure out what is fair for the day, each situation is different . For the most part of it all i have met some really nice people and got to fish with them for a day in a tournament situation like Bobby Barrack , Sean Stafford , Mike Tuck , Jeff Billings , Bob Higgins , etc . and even if you had to pay a $100.00 a day to fish with them it would have been well worth it !

wccjanel · Post by **wccjanel** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:06 pm

Jim,

Using that logic; you owe me an extra $40.00 for Clear Lake. Oh, and then there's the starting battery (remember how we almost didn't make it back?), that was another $135.00, so you're half would be $67.50. Your total is up to $107.50. You know my address.

And I'm not sure that Jamie would like it much, what with you spreading rumours that Legend Bass Boats depreciate at $1000.00 per month, and all.
You are a wise person that I can consider a friend, but I'm not on board with you here. Of course knowing the Earth you come from, I'm not sure if that wasn't what you were looking for. (See folks, Jim sometimes like to hold the stirring stick)
If someone tosses me a $20.00, I'm good. $50.00 is probably more accurate, and $40.00 is always welcomed. If someone just gave me a handshake, maybe a coke, these are all good. It's an expensive game, deal with it. Most guys are not offended by an honest offer of whatever you can afford. There are still some that won't take anything at all. But, you should still offer something, then let them decide.

That's my .216 pesos,
James

PS:
Jim, I still get a kick out of your turkey calling skills. I can't tellya how many people I've told about that.
Peace,
James

Guyle · Post by **Guyle** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:25 pm

Well put Jim (wccjanel). I fill up my tanks and go, if I get something, great if not I wouldn't whine. It's an expensive game and for those who worry about it too much they are wasting thier focus on the fish. And since Mr. Conlow is so concerned he should pay up on what he owes you.

bassinholic · Post by **bassinholic** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:20 pm

Wow, I never knew as a non boater depriciation of a boat would be included. Oh well I say $40 to $60 would be fine. Ive never ran out of gas on my boat and any other time I usually take home about the same amount of Gas as I had in it if not a little more. Bottom line, the non boater helping out with $40 here and there is fine, no need to get all crazy about the expenses.

Usually non boaters are there for the experiance and we as boaters should do just that enjoy the day, except what the non boater offers and maybe teach the guy something or learn from them.

The bottom line is its fishing and we should feel fortunate enough to be out there competeing with one another. For we are all fortunate everyday we get to be out and enjoy what we love to do.

That right there is enough of a payment for anybody!!
Tight Lines fellas!

JRock · Post by **JRock** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:56 pm

As a boater I've learned to expect nothing in return. I don't base my decision to go fishing on whether or not i'm going to get financial help from a backseater.

I personally believe that if you are planning on contributing, you need to agree on a fixed amount before even dropping the boat in the water.

I like to get this sometimes uncomfortable exchange over with before the day has even started.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:57 pm

I've never seen so much whining in my life! Half the boat gas, half the truck gas, half the oill... heII... why not half my room and meals, maybe even half the wages I'm missing by fishing? I've had guys hand me 40 - 60 after a tournament and generally hand back all but 20. You're not here to pay my way. If you want to help with gas, that's appreciated. And there are more than a few guys out there that need to realize that charging your nonboater isn't a way to make money at the tx because you couldn't get a check. Depreciation? C'mon Conlow, get real...

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:59 pm

Jim Conlow Sr. wrote:The question that seems to come up at least once a year is how much the non boater should pay the boater for a day on the water.
First of all, the only people that I have taken on to support were my wife and kids, all others need to pay their own way
There are lots of ways to think about this issue.
If you are talking about a team tournament I think the split at the
minimum should be a straight 50/50 cost of expenses including oil.

The boater starts out with tow vehicle and boat full of fuel and fills it again at the end of the day and the non boater pays half. There are many other cost factors that the nonboater should consider if he truely wants to be fair and not a free loader.
What would you do with a friend who always let you buy the beer pr the cokes or the lunch and never opened his own wallet.

For draw tournaments shared weight and others, why would the guy who provides the boat want to give a stranger a free ride?
No Valid reason that I can think of. But more to the point why would anyone expect to get a free ride.

I quite often burn $50 to $60 of gas for a days fishing. I am providing a boat with accessories that would cost close to $45,000. The depretiation on Bass boats is close to $1000 per month for the first year. Am I expected to provide all of this as a free service. I dont think so.
Anyone who thinks I should is a freeloader and I dont care to associate myself with that type of person.
What the rest of you guys to do, is of course your own choice.

I bring up the point about depreciation so that the non boater recognizes that the boater has a lot of hidden costs that he is paying and it is only fair that the nonboater pays his fair share of the operating expenses for the day

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:02 pm

So then I guess you'll be refunding him his portion of the depreciation that you write off on your taxes? Oil? Same thing, we write it off. Seemns to me we write fuel off to, so your previous nonboaters should all be expecting rebate checks LOL You need to remember... as a professional fisherman, the non-boater makes it possible for you to fish. No non-boater, you don't go. And to top it off you want to charge him extra for making it possible for you to pursue YOUR dream... Again, UNBELIEVEABLE!

CN · Post by CN » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:27 pm

I love to take people out now and then becouse I am lucky enough to own a nice boat.You know a guy may only be able to pitch in $20.00 and tapped himself out just to get there?

To expect anything more than help with the gas for the boat and launch fee's may be to much.

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:31 pm

We will never agree what is fair because it is a personal decision. I tend not to care about a non-boater giving money because I was going to fish anyways.

Have I been stiffed-Yes-Who cares.

Not everyone has the ability to pay money and I would want someone not to fish because of it.

Be honest, communicate and offer what you think is fair. Moreover-HAVE FUN!!!!

Boy are some of you beating a dead horse.

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:42 pm

interesting points you make. so what your saying is that no matter if you invite someone, someone asks you to take them out, or whatever they are to pay their way?

there are those who spend their life looking for every penny they think may be owed to them, and that is o.k. and then their are those who don't sweat the small stuff and take a friend out with no expectations except to just have a good time. generosity is a virtue, at least to some.

wccjanel · Post by **wccjanel** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:28 pm

Ricky-S wrote:..................

Boy are some of you beating a dead horse.

Ricky,
You are so write, but aren't you supposed to be getting rest for tomorrow? Good luck, bro.

Like I said folks, Jim likes holding the stirring stick, don't hate him for throwing the Devil's advocate side out there to get the topic talked about. However, Ricky said it with "HAVE FUN". Think back to that first fish as a kid. Did you think about pitchin' dad some money for taking you out? Did dad hold out his hand? Good grief, Charlie Brown.

G'night,
James

InTheBlind · Post by **InTheBlind** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:34 pm

today we gripe about what the back seater pays, tomorrow we bitch about how to hold a big fish, next week we rollon people who encroach on our water, a month from now we storm on a guy who takes a picture of a fish in his kitchen...

oh, almost forgot about the topic of posts that have an adult theme that some parent did not watch their child and they viewed the funny aZZ comment

I SAY GOOD DAY!

Guyle · Post by **Guyle** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:21 pm

InTheBlind wrote:today we gripe about what the back seater pays, tomorrow we bitch about how to hold a big fish, next week we rollon people who encroach on our water, a month from now we storm on a guy who takes a picture of a fish in his kitchen...

oh, almost forgot about the topic of posts that have an adult theme that some parent did not watch their child and they viewed the funny aZZ comment

I SAY GOOD DAY!

And then we do it all over again

Buzzbait · Post by **Buzzbait** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:38 pm

Glad I read this thread. I will not be back seating with anyone ever. Hell....I'm fine in my little tin can.

MIKE TREMONT · Post by **MIKE TREMONT** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:27 pm

Some of you guys are nothing but arrogant and rub me the wrong way. Not because you disagree with someones point of view, but the tone of your posts. I guess hiding behind a computer screen with a fake name tends to give some a bit of bravery?

Jim comes on here and explains "his" point of view. That's what he expects, because of his circumstance.

We're all walking around in a different pair of shoes. If you can wipe your a$$ with dollar bills and don't care if you get any money, that's great. Do your posts need to attack someone though because he can't?

Now don't me wrong, someone starts asking me for the cost of depreciation and wear and tear, they are going to get "the look", and won't be happy with the dollar amount they end up with.

We also tend to hash the same old things around here. How much is there to talk about in Bass fishing on a daily basis? From the tone of that post, I or anyone else shouldn't bring something up? The dam board wouldn't be here! Speaking of holding large fish incorrectly, did you see that show on______, what an idiot, I thought he was a Pro?

Thanks for reading

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:58 pm

Just comunicate with your boater, and all will be fine, if you don't like what he wants outta you don't fish with him! its that easy. Be upfront, don't wait till the end of the day! Ask the boater what he expects, and if it works for you then go fishing! Pretty simple!

nipples · Post by **nipples** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:27 pm

I think there is one main point that still needs to be addressed on this HORRIBLY LAME thread.

*** A pro does NOT get to fish a Pro/Am without an Am unless he is lucky enough to be provided with an observer.***

So Jimbo... Would you try to charge an observer for your Truck gas, Boat gas, depreciation on both, part of your insurance fees, a portion of DMV registration, food and lodging, the massage you got the night before, etc. etc. ???If that answer is no, then keep that in mind when you have an Am in the back. I always pay my way, but asking an AM to consider YOUR boat depreciation is absolutely asinine and ridiculously STUPID.

When I invite someone out in my boat, I don't let them pay for anything. If they want to bring some snacks or drinks and share, it's all good. But boat depreciation??? WTF???... I invited them....

And when that day comes that I am on the pointy end, I'm not going to expect an AM to pay for anything. If they offer, I might take a small amount, but only if I ran to their water and didn't get fish. If I made them fish MY WATER all day, I'm not accepting any form of payment, just a thanks if they had a good time. Thatâ€™s part of my decision to fish the tourney as a pro and with the higher cost and risk, comes the higher reward.

By your logic Jim, an AM who travels from Vegas to fish with you on Clearlake should get money from you at the end of the dayâ€¦ If he has to pay YOUR travel expenses, then itâ€™s only fair you pay his. And his gas bill to and from might be a wee bit higher than yours, not to mention the wear and tear on his vehicleâ€¦

Part of being a man is being an adult and knowing and accepting your own responsibilities. Boat and vehicle depreciation would definitely be on that list.

-Paul-

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:02 pm

I am with nipples on this one. I fish regardless, and if someone wants to tag along, fine. If I get offered gas money 9 times out of 10 I wont take it. And I am stuggling with the economy like everyone else. I got 40 bucks in the bank and my truck is half full fridge is empty and dont get paid till friday, just like everyone else. And I will still take any of guys fishing and turn down the cash. I might eat your fish, but thats it.

Slippy · Post by **Slippy** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:08 pm

brambo0311 wrote:I am with nipples on this one. I fish regardless, and if someone wants to tag along, fine. If I get offered gas money 9 times out of 10 I wont take it. And I am stuggling with the economy like everyone else. I got 40 bucks in the bank and my truck is half full fridge is empty and dont get paid till friday, just like everyone else. And I will still take any of guys fishing and turn down the cash. I might eat your fish, but thats it.

Brambo is my new team partner.

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:13 pm

Slippy wrote:
brambo0311 wrote:I am with nipples on this one. I fish regardless, and if someone wants to tag along, fine. If I get offered gas money 9 times out of 10 I wont take it. And I am stuggling with the economy like everyone else. I got 40 bucks in the bank and my truck is half full fridge is empty and dont get paid till friday, just like everyone else. And I will still take any of guys fishing and turn down the cash. I might eat your fish, but thats it.

Brambo is my new team partner.

HAHAHAHAHA Can we fish three to a boat!

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:22 pm

Cool looks like I eat tonight....

fish_food · Post by **fish_food** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:26 pm

InTheBlind wrote:today we gripe about what the back seater pays, tomorrow we bitch about how to hold a big fish, next week we rollon people who encroach on our water, a month from now we storm on a guy who takes a picture of a fish in his kitchen...

Today is Wednesday--aren't Wednesdays scheduled for MonaVie promoting/bashing?

Slippy · Post by **Slippy** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:27 pm

fish_food wrote:
InTheBlind wrote:today we gripe about what the back seater pays, tomorrow we bitch about how to hold a big fish, next week we rollon people who encroach on our water, a month from now we storm on a guy who takes a picture of a fish in his kitchen...
Today is Wednesday--aren't Wednesdays scheduled for MonaVie promoting/bashing?

no, cause we dont have bones in here anymore....

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:30 pm

Buzzbait wrote:Glad I read this thread. I will not be back seating with anyone ever. Hell....I'm fine in my little tin can.

Agreed. Threads like this make me not ever want to fish a draw tourney. I will also be sticking to fshing out of my own tin can.

bahlzar · Post by **bahlzar** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:37 pm

i fished with brambo this past weekend and he would not take my gas money.

nipples · Post by **nipples** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:01 pm

Joe W. wrote:
Buzzbait wrote:Glad I read this thread. I will not be back seating with anyone ever. Hell....I'm fine in my little tin can.
Agreed. Threads like this make me not ever want to fish a draw tourney. I will also be sticking to fshing out of my own tin can.

I hate to see you guys walk away with that impression... Like I said, this thread is extremely lame, therefore you should not get the impression that this is the norm. You guys might miss out on some incredible learning opportunities that can take your fishing to the next level. And you might even make some great friendships at the same time....

There are tourneys where you will draw a pro that is decent and fair, and you will learn a lot.. They are far more common than a time where you draw a pro that is a complete idiot. If you come across a pro that matches that description, don't let them bully you into paying for their fun. Talk to them, if they are selfish morons, tell them where to go. Most of the Pros I have met are very fair and reasonable and wouldn't accept more than $20.00 to $30.00 for a day.

Good Fishing,

-Paul-

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:06 pm

fish_food wrote:
InTheBlind wrote:today we gripe about what the back seater pays, tomorrow we bitch about how to hold a big fish, next week we rollon people who encroach on our water, a month from now we storm on a guy who takes a picture of a fish in his kitchen...
Today is Wednesday--aren't Wednesdays scheduled for MonaVie promoting/bashing?

OMG ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

InTheBlind · Post by **InTheBlind** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:14 pm

As I was sitting here looking at the posts and today struggles with 'Clean and Dry' I thought of something...

If you get to a lake and the boater, who got their cut, sucked at the 'clean and dry' part, you get turned away, do you have to pony up another bag of duckets for the extra mileage to another lake ?

JUST KIDDING

suck it up and FISH

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:56 pm

Dan McKenzie wrote:interesting points you make. so what your saying is that no matter if you invite someone, someone asks you to take them out, or whatever they are to pay their way?

there are those who spend their life looking for every penny they think may be owed to them, and that is o.k. and then their are those who don't sweat the small stuff and take a friend out with no expectations except to just have a good time. generosity is a virtue, at least to some.

If I invite you to go fishing it is the same as if I invite you out to dinner. I Pay. If we are in a tournament as team partners or as a draw tournament I expect tje guy in the back seat to pay his fair share.
Seems pretty simple to me, I have had enough back seaters just pick up their tackle at the end and just walk off without even a thank you to make me a little jaded in my opinions.

The rest of you guys can do what ever you want but I dont run a charitable fishing vessel

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:02 pm

MARK INMAN wrote:jim whats a fare share ?????

I think a fair share is half of the gas and oil for the day. typically I burn 15 to 20 gallons of gas in a day and about $5 in oil. I think $35 plus half of the launch is about right. That is kind of based on current gas prices.

Jim

swimbait · Post by **swimbait** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:18 pm

Jim, do you use straight line depreciation ... or perhaps a unit of production method based on how many fish you catch out of the boat?

Dude, I'm really sorry, but if you're calculating depreciation on your new boat you're sucking the point right out of going fishing.

I bro out my friends who take me fishing, and I don't sweat what people want to offer me when I take them. Any time spent beyond that worrying about it is time wasted.

-Rob

CN · Post by CN » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:30 pm

[quote="MIKE TREMONT"]Some of you guys are nothing but arrogant and rub me the wrong way. Not because you disagree with someones point of view, but the tone of your posts. I guess hiding behind a computer screen with a fake name tends to give some a bit of bravery?

Jim comes on here and explains "his" point of view. That's what he expects, because of his circumstance.

We're all walking around in a different pair of shoes. If you can wipe your a$$ with dollar bills and don't care if you get any money, that's great. Do your posts need to attack someone though because he can't?

Now don't me wrong, someone starts asking me for the cost of depreciation and wear and tear, they are going to get "the look", and won't be happy with the dollar amount they end up with.

We also tend to hash the same old things around here. How much is there to talk about in Bass fishing on a daily basis? From the tone of that post, I or anyone else shouldn't bring something up? The dam board wouldn't be here! Speaking of holding large fish incorrectly, did you see that show on______, what an idiot, I thought he was a Pro?

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MikeSouza · Post by **MikeSouza** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:30 pm

I never expect money from an Am in a draw format tournament. Only thing I ask is that we have a good time. When either one of us puts a fish in the boat, it is that much more fun we can have

The only time money is ever really mentioned in my boat whne it comes to a tournament, is between my team partner and I. That is the only time EVERYTHING is split, but we still have fun.

So, if you wanna fish like a pro, then go out and fish the Pro-Ams, Flw events and BASS Opens. Don't EXPECT someone to pay your way unless they are sponsoring your A$$. You don't here of Kriet, Biffle, Evers, KVD etc. asking for gas money. They live in the USA and have expenses too.

Anyone here on NCBF wants to come to Texoma and catch some fish, it's on me

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