Army Times Poll
Army Times Poll
The October 8 issue of the Army Times published the results of a
military-wide poll regarding the upcoming election. rank, age,
service, and even guard and reserve.
McCain vs Obama
Overall 68% to 23% McCain
Army 68% to 23% McCain
Navy 69% to 24% McCain
Air Force 67% to 24% McCain
Marines 75% to 18% McCain
Retirees 72% to 20% McCain
White Non-Hispanic 76% to 17% McCain
Hispanic 63 % to 27% McCain
Black/African-American 12% to 79% Obama
Enlisted 67% to 24% McCain
Officers 70% to 22% McCain
Is race a factor......just wondering...........hmmmm ? ? ?
military-wide poll regarding the upcoming election. rank, age,
service, and even guard and reserve.
McCain vs Obama
Overall 68% to 23% McCain
Army 68% to 23% McCain
Navy 69% to 24% McCain
Air Force 67% to 24% McCain
Marines 75% to 18% McCain
Retirees 72% to 20% McCain
White Non-Hispanic 76% to 17% McCain
Hispanic 63 % to 27% McCain
Black/African-American 12% to 79% Obama
Enlisted 67% to 24% McCain
Officers 70% to 22% McCain
Is race a factor......just wondering...........hmmmm ? ? ?
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Your right race is a factor why else wouldn't whites vote for Obama after the last 8 yrs of republican failure?
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A Black Americans thinks it is perfectly logical and reasonable to support and votes for a Black candidate – do you believe that is Racisms?
If a Woman thinks it is perfectly logical and reasonable to support and votes for a woman just because she is a Woman – do you believe that is sexism?
If a White man thinks it is perfectly logical and reasonable to support and votes for a White candidate – do you believe that is Racisms?
My issues with Barack Obama have nothing to do with the color of his skin (or for that fact his Religion), and my support of Sarah Palin has nothing to do with her gender. It has verything to do with their views and what they believe in!
If Obama is elected as President our nation will going down as a nation of equal rights but if McCain is elected as President we will be seen as the same racist country that the liberal call us now! Just trying to prepare you.
“Elect Juan and put Sarah a heartbeat way from the Presidencyâ€
If a Woman thinks it is perfectly logical and reasonable to support and votes for a woman just because she is a Woman – do you believe that is sexism?
If a White man thinks it is perfectly logical and reasonable to support and votes for a White candidate – do you believe that is Racisms?
My issues with Barack Obama have nothing to do with the color of his skin (or for that fact his Religion), and my support of Sarah Palin has nothing to do with her gender. It has verything to do with their views and what they believe in!
If Obama is elected as President our nation will going down as a nation of equal rights but if McCain is elected as President we will be seen as the same racist country that the liberal call us now! Just trying to prepare you.
“Elect Juan and put Sarah a heartbeat way from the Presidencyâ€

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Marty,
nothing you have ever said showed racism in my view, you are only afflicted by conservitism, but after 4 years of Obama who knows you might be cured.
I think if your sole reason for supporting someone or not is based strictly on that of race, sex, or religion, then you might be a racist, sexist, or religious bigot. They all exist, in both parties. I read the story tonight about a young lady who is a volunteer for the McCain?Palin campaign, apparently robbed while using an ATM, then the piece of crap carved a "B" in the side of her face when they saw a McCain campaign sticker. I don't know what drives a person like this to commit such an act? I have seen enough this campaign to know these issues still exist in 2008 in America regardless of your party affiliation, as well as most anyplace in the world, maybe they always will.
nothing you have ever said showed racism in my view, you are only afflicted by conservitism, but after 4 years of Obama who knows you might be cured.

I think if your sole reason for supporting someone or not is based strictly on that of race, sex, or religion, then you might be a racist, sexist, or religious bigot. They all exist, in both parties. I read the story tonight about a young lady who is a volunteer for the McCain?Palin campaign, apparently robbed while using an ATM, then the piece of crap carved a "B" in the side of her face when they saw a McCain campaign sticker. I don't know what drives a person like this to commit such an act? I have seen enough this campaign to know these issues still exist in 2008 in America regardless of your party affiliation, as well as most anyplace in the world, maybe they always will.
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Watch this video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU
CASE IN POINT!
Thank you and Goodnight.
Andy Lippert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU
CASE IN POINT!
Thank you and Goodnight.
Andy Lippert
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Darn Dan I had such high hopes for you.
I know 4 years under McCain and 8 under Palin will help
I know 4 years under McCain and 8 under Palin will help

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I am just saying that the trolls post will go both ways.
I am also saying that I think race does play a big role in this election because how could people be so against Obama when it is very apparent what the republicans have done to this country in the last 8 yrs. I don't think anyone in their right mind could say that the republican administration has done our country a favor in the last 8 yrs. With that being said why would anyone vote another republican into office that agreed with the previous administration 90% of the time?
Does that mean all republicans are racist, no, but there are a lot of them that are or are playing a subtle game of hate based on race.
My .02
I am also saying that I think race does play a big role in this election because how could people be so against Obama when it is very apparent what the republicans have done to this country in the last 8 yrs. I don't think anyone in their right mind could say that the republican administration has done our country a favor in the last 8 yrs. With that being said why would anyone vote another republican into office that agreed with the previous administration 90% of the time?
Does that mean all republicans are racist, no, but there are a lot of them that are or are playing a subtle game of hate based on race.
My .02
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Dan,
Don’t count your chickens yet it’s not over. As for being a conservative, I must have been born that way – my whole family is democrat (Not Liberals) and I will die that way. Not trying to pat my own back but I have what I call Ideological Compass. That is I believe in my beliefs and values and there is no sway one or the other. Some would say that is bad but I believe that is want makes a leader. A little more on this Ideological Compass, the last President to have it was Ronald Ragan and is the reason he was a leader. It is also the reason President Bush is a weak President – he is too willing to give up what he believes in to have a compromise and yes McCain is the same way. This is also what scares me about Obama, he has Ideological Compass but the wrong beliefs and values. It is also the reason I support Sarah Palin and the reason the Liberal hate her – she has Ideological Compass.
Everyone has some racisms, sexism, chauvinism, bigotry and the reason is everyone is human, it is the way we are build. What makes us better then animals is the control of the of them. As for religious bigotry or ant-religious bigotry is a complete point of view of each person. Yes I like to think of myself as being religious (I accept Jesus) but you get me in the right mood I will cuss you out like a drunken sailor does that make me a bigot, no it makes me human.
Remember there is still 12 days left in this campaign and it is close! What I hoping for is who every wins (which will be Palin and McCain), wins both the Electoral College and the popular vote because if McCain will the Electoral College and not the popular vote there will be trouble in streets.
Don’t count your chickens yet it’s not over. As for being a conservative, I must have been born that way – my whole family is democrat (Not Liberals) and I will die that way. Not trying to pat my own back but I have what I call Ideological Compass. That is I believe in my beliefs and values and there is no sway one or the other. Some would say that is bad but I believe that is want makes a leader. A little more on this Ideological Compass, the last President to have it was Ronald Ragan and is the reason he was a leader. It is also the reason President Bush is a weak President – he is too willing to give up what he believes in to have a compromise and yes McCain is the same way. This is also what scares me about Obama, he has Ideological Compass but the wrong beliefs and values. It is also the reason I support Sarah Palin and the reason the Liberal hate her – she has Ideological Compass.
Everyone has some racisms, sexism, chauvinism, bigotry and the reason is everyone is human, it is the way we are build. What makes us better then animals is the control of the of them. As for religious bigotry or ant-religious bigotry is a complete point of view of each person. Yes I like to think of myself as being religious (I accept Jesus) but you get me in the right mood I will cuss you out like a drunken sailor does that make me a bigot, no it makes me human.
Remember there is still 12 days left in this campaign and it is close! What I hoping for is who every wins (which will be Palin and McCain), wins both the Electoral College and the popular vote because if McCain will the Electoral College and not the popular vote there will be trouble in streets.

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Andy,
That link was sent to me today but it would not come up “it stated it was taken downâ€
That link was sent to me today but it would not come up “it stated it was taken downâ€

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I like giving Marty a little ribbing. Funny thing is, I've met Marty 2x, and I see him on the river, fished a tournament and talked with him at the event, and he wouldn't know me from Adam
. In fact I waved to him last weekend as I went by him, they say the mind is the first thing to go. In spite of having some different opinions, I think he's like you, an old softy, with a big heart, but you both being old salts you can't show it, you just go about it real quite like so nobody knows about it.

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Dave – in your point of view the last 8 years were really bad (I don’t see it that way) but let us go head and agree that the last 8 years were the worst of times. Is that a reason to let our country fall into Socialism. I will even state that McCain and Bush are one in the same in their Modernism and will give up to mush to the Left. But Obama is not the answer. Look with in yourself and ask is Socialism the solution?

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Dan,
If I have talked to you twice and did not realize who you were, I sorry!
Next time say who you are! Who are you comparing me too – I hope not McCain.
Plus who you calling an old softy – I run your young bAss into the ground!
If I have talked to you twice and did not realize who you were, I sorry!


Plus who you calling an old softy – I run your young bAss into the ground!


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I tried searching for this poll through the Army Times online search engine, and couldn't find it. Do you have a link you can provide to the numbers you quote, along with who conducted the poll?hrvestuff wrote:The October 8 issue of the Army Times published the results of a
military-wide poll regarding the upcoming election. rank, age,
service, and even guard and reserve.
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I tried to, could'nt find it But I was not able to axcess all of the web site not having a login code.
Is it in part that only service members or subcribers can get too?
Is it in part that only service members or subcribers can get too?
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Here you go buddy.
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/pro ... ep_2pp.pdf
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/pro ... ep_2pp.pdf
Lemme know if you have any more questions or want to try and refute any of the polls. I may be able to once again point you in the RIGHT direction.
Andy Lippert
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/pro ... ep_2pp.pdf
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/pro ... ep_2pp.pdf
Lemme know if you have any more questions or want to try and refute any of the polls. I may be able to once again point you in the RIGHT direction.
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Thanks Andy
And thanks for your service.
God Bless America
And thanks for your service.
God Bless America

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"The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services."
If you read the article that accompanies the poll, you'd think it was written by FauxNews. Talk about pointing someone in the RIGHT direction.
If you read the article that accompanies the poll, you'd think it was written by FauxNews. Talk about pointing someone in the RIGHT direction.
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Yep, I dont know that it was done with this poll, BUT I know, none of the polls that show Obama ahead are slanted in any way
BULLC*&^
BULLC*&^

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Therefore, the group that was surveyed is comprised of wiser and more experienced people.The People wrote:"The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services."
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Thanks for pointing this out.
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Therefore, the group that was surveyed is comprised of wiser and more experienced people.The People wrote:"The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services."
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Thanks for pointing this out.
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The funny thing is, is that I interact with hundreds of Marines a day, and the only Marines I know that are voting for obama are of african american descent. It's obvious...
Another sidenote...Myself and most of the Marines I interact with on a daily basis have a higher security clearance than obama would be able to obtain should he join the service and apply for a TS clearance. Pretty laughable if you ask me. And we're going to trust this guy with the presidency.
Whatever though...He's gonna cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans...and he's not McSame or George W. Bush's clone. Ffffff it. Let's put him in the white house. My money is what's most important to me. F morality and capitalism. And who needs guns anyway?....while we're at it. obama 08!
....it's tough to even fake thinking like a liberal. Eeeash.
Andy Lippert
Another sidenote...Myself and most of the Marines I interact with on a daily basis have a higher security clearance than obama would be able to obtain should he join the service and apply for a TS clearance. Pretty laughable if you ask me. And we're going to trust this guy with the presidency.
Whatever though...He's gonna cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans...and he's not McSame or George W. Bush's clone. Ffffff it. Let's put him in the white house. My money is what's most important to me. F morality and capitalism. And who needs guns anyway?....while we're at it. obama 08!
....it's tough to even fake thinking like a liberal. Eeeash.
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just like an old retired Army guy, gonna throw down a challenge.
do you get up to an alarm clock that bugles Reveille every morning? call the troops to muster, where is that damn cat and dog, it's 0500 and they're not in formation!!!
I worked for our Command Master Chief for several years while in the Navy, I always had this vision that there was no seperation between home and work, that he ran everything the same, then I got to meet his wife and I realized he had a "boss" after all.
do you get up to an alarm clock that bugles Reveille every morning? call the troops to muster, where is that damn cat and dog, it's 0500 and they're not in formation!!!



I worked for our Command Master Chief for several years while in the Navy, I always had this vision that there was no seperation between home and work, that he ran everything the same, then I got to meet his wife and I realized he had a "boss" after all.
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Yes you are correct but non-like other polls the Military Times will tell you who and how the polled was conduced. Plus the sample is a larger then polls run by ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and Fox. Take it from me the Military vote will always go Conservative you see Liberals usually don’t like defending their Country they are more in tune to put it down. The point is that Black Military on the most part will vote their race. Is that Racisms?The People wrote:"The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services."
If you read the article that accompanies the poll, you'd think it was written by FauxNews. Talk about pointing someone in the RIGHT direction.
Sampling the military
Posted : Sunday Oct 5, 2008 11:28:43 EDT
The Military Times 2008 Election Poll is the latest in a series of efforts to gauge the attitudes and opinions of a crucial but hard-to-measure group: members of the U.S. military.
To gather military opinion on this year’s presidential election, Military Times began with a list of more than 80,000 subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times who gave the papers their e-mail addresses.
Each was e-mailed an invitation to participate through a secure Internet page. Security measures ensured that readers could not submit multiple entries and that only those who received an invitation could respond.
From Sept. 22 to Sept. 29, 2,813 active-duty members, 1,480 members of the National Guard or reserve and 4,411 retirees participated. The figures include only those respondents who indicated they are registered and intend to vote in the election. Chart totals may not equal 100 percent because of the rounding of figures.
Although public opinion pollsters use random selection to survey the general public, the Military Times survey is based on responses from those who chose to participate. That means it is impossible to calculate statistical margins of error commonly reported in opinion surveys, because those calculations depend on random sampling techniques.
The voluntary nature of the survey could affect the results — if supporters of one candidate are more prone to express their opinions, for example. The dependence on e-mail could also affect the results, because e-mail users may have different characteristics than the military population as a whole.
Characteristics of Military Times readers may also affect the results. The group surveyed is significantly older than the military as a whole, and the survey group contains a higher percentage of officers than is present in the military.
Conversely, junior enlisted troops, women and racial and ethnic minorities made up a smaller share of the sample than of the military at large. While it is difficult to predict how those factors affect the results, those groups are generally regarded as more supportive of Democratic candidates.
More details, including some of the data from the survey, are available online at http://www.militarytimes.com.
Researchers interested in obtaining data can contact database reporter Brendan McGarry at bmcgarry@atpco.com.

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Dan your right about that – I can be “All I can Beâ€Dan McKenzie wrote:then I got to meet his wife and I realized he had a "boss" after all.

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The People wrote; [quote]"The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services."
It's obvious you have little or no connection with military families, or those who have served in Iraq, Afghanistan, et al. These people are very much aware of the difference between B. Hussein Obama and McCain. And they are voting, will vote, for someone they can respect as Commander-in-Chief and it sure as hell won't be Barack Hussein Obama.
-hrvestuff
It's obvious you have little or no connection with military families, or those who have served in Iraq, Afghanistan, et al. These people are very much aware of the difference between B. Hussein Obama and McCain. And they are voting, will vote, for someone they can respect as Commander-in-Chief and it sure as hell won't be Barack Hussein Obama.
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You have no idea who I am or what my affiliation with the military or military families are. Nor if I've lost a loved one in Iraq or Afghanistan.hrvestuff wrote: It's obvious you have little or no connection with military families, or those who have served in Iraq, Afghanistan, et al. These people are very much aware of the difference between B. Hussein Obama and McCain. And they are voting, will vote, for someone they can respect as Commander-in-Chief and it sure as hell won't be Barack Hussein Obama.
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You also seem to have no idea which of the candidates has recieved more, both in numbers and total dollars, in campaign contributions from military families.
And please, do all of us on the left a favor -- keep referring to Barrack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama." Whether you've yet realized or not, that kind of idiocy and political slander is part of what has given Obama his commanding lead.
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All pollsters report who was polled and how the poll was conducted. That's where their margin of error comes from.Marty wrote: Yes you are correct but non-like other polls the Military Times will tell you who and how the polled was conduced. Plus the sample is a larger then polls run by ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and Fox. Take it from me the Military vote will always go Conservative you see Liberals usually don’t like defending their Country they are more in tune to put it down. The point is that Black Military on the most part will vote their race. Is that Racisms?
Military personnel and families have indeed traditionally voted Republican, but I wonder if that is as much a function of their true beliefs as it is the fact that Armed Services Radio, and the Military Times, as two primary providers of "news and information" to the troops have traditionally carried exclusively conservative content. The Military Times is not even run by the military or any branch of government. It is owned and opperated by Garrett Co. Inc, a private company.
If you're ready to accuse black military members of voting their race regardless of policy, you'd better be ready to accept the reverse accusation that white military members also vote their race regardless of policy. So, which is racism, and which isn't? The fact that the Military Times chose to point out the former rather than the latter speaks volumes about their bent, don't you think?
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IDIOTS!!
Race should NOT be a factor, but since everyone makes it one lets set this crap straight.
OBAMA IS 50% WHITE! His degenerate mother is as pale as George Bush.
OBAMA'S FATHER IS 50% NORTH AFRICAN TRIBAL, AND 50% SOUTH ARRICAN BUSHMAN, AND 50 % CENTRAL ARFICAN......BASICALLY HE HAS DARK SKIN AND IS FROM AFRICA, SO WHAT.
THIS ADDS UP TO OBAMA NOT BEING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN, BUT RATHER JUST AN AMERICAN. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD FOR THE LAST FREAKING TIME!!!!!!!! YOU HAD NO CHOICE HOW YOU CAME OUT OF YOUR MAMA. THERE IS NO CHECKLIST TO CHOOSE YUR SKIN COLOR WHILE YOU ARE IN THE WOMB.
Now Tell Jerks like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton to knock off the race baiting and we will be a much better world.
thank you.
Race should NOT be a factor, but since everyone makes it one lets set this crap straight.
OBAMA IS 50% WHITE! His degenerate mother is as pale as George Bush.
OBAMA'S FATHER IS 50% NORTH AFRICAN TRIBAL, AND 50% SOUTH ARRICAN BUSHMAN, AND 50 % CENTRAL ARFICAN......BASICALLY HE HAS DARK SKIN AND IS FROM AFRICA, SO WHAT.
THIS ADDS UP TO OBAMA NOT BEING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN, BUT RATHER JUST AN AMERICAN. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD FOR THE LAST FREAKING TIME!!!!!!!! YOU HAD NO CHOICE HOW YOU CAME OUT OF YOUR MAMA. THERE IS NO CHECKLIST TO CHOOSE YUR SKIN COLOR WHILE YOU ARE IN THE WOMB.
Now Tell Jerks like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton to knock off the race baiting and we will be a much better world.
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I never thought I would ever agree with Fishn' Dave.
But you hit the nail on the head and ar exactly right. Forget race and concentrate on the issues.
I don't care if the guy is green or purple as long as I like his views.
But you hit the nail on the head and ar exactly right. Forget race and concentrate on the issues.
I don't care if the guy is green or purple as long as I like his views.
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I like your math Dave.Fishin' Dave wrote:IDIOTS!!
OBAMA'S FATHER IS 50% NORTH AFRICAN TRIBAL, AND 50% SOUTH ARRICAN BUSHMAN, AND 50 % CENTRAL ARFICAN......BASICALLY HE HAS DARK SKIN AND IS FROM AFRICA, SO WHAT.

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A response to Marty, and a response to harvey but no response to me? I figured so.
The military times is IN NO WAY a conservative paper. It actually gets hammered quite often for leaning the other way. But either case.
A huge reason as to why b. Hussein obama has gotten a lot of funding from the military is because he has promised to bring us "home" sooner than John McCain. That's all there is to it. Military members who don't want to be in Iraq, people who never really signed up to fight, and are finding themselves in Iraq for the third time for 12 months, are willing to do anything (i.e. dish out large amounts of cash) to get home quicker. Nothing more, nothing less. Campaign contributions for each candidate have been the opposite of the polls. It doesn't matter how much money you get, if that money is coming from a minority of the populace.
Andy
The military times is IN NO WAY a conservative paper. It actually gets hammered quite often for leaning the other way. But either case.
A huge reason as to why b. Hussein obama has gotten a lot of funding from the military is because he has promised to bring us "home" sooner than John McCain. That's all there is to it. Military members who don't want to be in Iraq, people who never really signed up to fight, and are finding themselves in Iraq for the third time for 12 months, are willing to do anything (i.e. dish out large amounts of cash) to get home quicker. Nothing more, nothing less. Campaign contributions for each candidate have been the opposite of the polls. It doesn't matter how much money you get, if that money is coming from a minority of the populace.
Andy
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Ronald Reagan was good with math like that also.
Florida transplant, miss my Bass fishing
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If you're looking for some sort of affirmation through a response, here you go.
There. You exist.
It's actually quite the opposite. The donations coming in for Obama are far greater in number, but far smaller in average denomination, than those coming in for McCain.Andy Lippert wrote:It doesn't matter how much money you get, if that money is coming from a minority of the populace.
There. You exist.

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[quote="Marty"]A Black Americans thinks it is perfectly logical and reasonable to support and votes for a Black candidate – do you believe that is Racisms?
“Elect Juan and put Sarah a heartbeat way from the Presidencyâ€
“Elect Juan and put Sarah a heartbeat way from the Presidencyâ€
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Just asking a question
If I take $20,000,000 dollars and divide it into $100 stacks and mail it off to john McCain with differnt names on it. Does that count as a lot of people giving just a little? Would it keep it under the reporting level?
And before you guys start yelling is it possible to do ?
just wondering?
If I take $20,000,000 dollars and divide it into $100 stacks and mail it off to john McCain with differnt names on it. Does that count as a lot of people giving just a little? Would it keep it under the reporting level?
And before you guys start yelling is it possible to do ?
just wondering?

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My name is Andy Lippert. I'm a U.S. Marine. I've done 5 deployments, two of which were to combat zones. I don't think I need any more validity. Thanks.
If I needed a response from a misguided liberal to "affirm" my existence, I'd be in sad sad shape. You, on the other hand, use a nameless handle, and have never come out and said who you actually are...So who, here, is the person needing affirmation?
Andy Lippert
If I needed a response from a misguided liberal to "affirm" my existence, I'd be in sad sad shape. You, on the other hand, use a nameless handle, and have never come out and said who you actually are...So who, here, is the person needing affirmation?
Andy Lippert
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What I think is you are “Wonder Breadâ€The Person wrote: If you're ready to accuse black military members of voting their race regardless of policy, you'd better be ready to accept the reverse accusation that white military members also vote their race regardless of policy. So, which is racism, and which isn't? The fact that the Military Times chose to point out the former rather than the latter speaks volumes about their bent, don't you think?

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Oh Marty, what would your momma say?Marty wrote:It is not racisms to vote for ones kind you dip shlt.
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Do you really what to know what my momma would say? She did not like White and Black and like Obama she did it with a smile. O Man, did I just throw my momma under the bus to make a point!Greg_Cornish wrote:Oh Marty, what would your momma say?Marty wrote:It is not racisms to vote for ones kind you dip shlt.

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Marty wrote:Do you really what to know what my momma would say? She did not like White and Black and like Obama she did it with a smile. O Man, did I just throw my momma under the bus to make a point!Greg_Cornish wrote:Oh Marty, what would your momma say?Marty wrote:It is not racisms to vote for ones kind you dip shlt.

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FishaHallic wrote:Marty wrote:Do you really what to know what my momma would say? She did not like White and Black and like Obama she did it with a smile. O Man, did I just throw my momma under the bus to make a point!Greg_Cornish wrote:Oh Marty, what would your momma say?


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Thank you for your service, Andy.Andy Lippert wrote:My name is Andy Lippert. I'm a U.S. Marine. I've done 5 deployments, two of which were to combat zones. I don't think I need any more validity. Thanks.
If I needed a response from a misguided liberal to "affirm" my existence, I'd be in sad sad shape. You, on the other hand, use a nameless handle, and have never come out and said who you actually are...So who, here, is the person needing affirmation?
Andy Lippert
It's too bad that you didn't read my last response to you for what it really was: a bit of a joke at (granted) your expense. There was no disrespect intended. When I typed it, I thought it was funny. Still do.
I don't use my real name because it shouldn't matter. Would it matter if my name was Frank or Tom? or Mary or Judy? or Mohammed or Reggie or Pablo for that matter? I'm an American, I assure you of that. That's all that should matter. If you thought that my opinion was less worthy of being heard than was yours because of how I represent myself here, then you would be, in your words, in a sad sad state. And in fact, you would have forgotten what it means to be an American.
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No most people do not use their name so they can hide,
100 years ago robbers used masked.
In the 70s when CBs were the rage, some mild little mouse, could be an ***, because no one knew who he was[ and that still goes on today]
now through the internet we have you . Same mold.
at least Fishahater gives a name[ Ipersonely dont know ifs it true but?] most of us on this forum are known to at least post on the fishing side
Then we have you, we dont know if you are even American, maybe a cruiser, getting his laughs here at or expence?
and last but not least, THE PEOPLE, you wish
100 years ago robbers used masked.
In the 70s when CBs were the rage, some mild little mouse, could be an ***, because no one knew who he was[ and that still goes on today]
now through the internet we have you . Same mold.
at least Fishahater gives a name[ Ipersonely dont know ifs it true but?] most of us on this forum are known to at least post on the fishing side
Then we have you, we dont know if you are even American, maybe a cruiser, getting his laughs here at or expence?
and last but not least, THE PEOPLE, you wish

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Re: Army Times Poll
I guess this conversation is over. Nobody wishes to reply to my content, so you have resorted to personal attacks and attempts to discredit me because of my name. Sound familiar?
Ask yourself if personal attacks and anger are in your nature, or if you've learned these tactics from right-wing politicians and talkers who resort to the same childish responses when they can't reply to the content presented to them from the other side.
Ask yourself if personal attacks and anger are in your nature, or if you've learned these tactics from right-wing politicians and talkers who resort to the same childish responses when they can't reply to the content presented to them from the other side.
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No Conservative are not in the habit of personal attacks but we are learning our lessons - You can say shame on you for the first one – but when it happens twice it is shame on us!The Person wrote:"Ask yourself if personal attacks and anger are in your nature"
No Conservative are learning it from the Left Wing Liberals as yourself!The Person wrote:"If you've learned these tactics from right-wing politicians and talkers who resort to the same childish responses"
You Liberals have been resorting to personal attacks for years and it is working – we must go on the offence!
I only have to be kicked in the ball once to learn to kick back! This is one thing I have learned from the Liberals.
Of course you can end this just by stating who you are. Your point of view will then be respected, we may not agree but it will be respected! You look at FishaHallic (Dave), Jeff C, and Dan McKenzie state their positions all of the time but we respect the right to have an opinion other then what we have! The reason is we know they are part of the family of Bass Fisherman which we don’t believe you are.
But you will bowl out and be like all of the other Left Wing Liberals.

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