West Coast Bass Pro-Ams

[Phil]

Schedule for 2009.here it is

Clear Lake-2/28-3/1, 2009

Host hotel: Konocti Harbor Resort 1 800 660- LAKE

Check-in : Friday eve2/27 5-6:30pm Pomo room

Launch: Konocti or other

Weigh-in: Konocti Harbor Resort



Oroville-3/28-29, 2009

Host hotel:Gold Country Casino and Hotel, Oroville 800-334-9400

Check-in: 5-6:30 pm Friday eve 3/27 Conference Room (2nd Floor)

Launch: Spillway

Weigh-in: Spillway



Don Pedro- 6/6-7, 2009

Host hotel: Quality Inn, Oakdale 209 847-8181

Check-in: Friday eve 6/5 5-6:30pm Ryderz Restaurant 875 East F st.

Oakdale next door to the Quality Inn


Shasta- 9/19-20, 2009

Host hotel: Ramada Inn 1286 Twin View Blvd. 530 246-2222

Check-in: Friday eve 9/18 5-6:30 pm Phil’s Props and Tackle

Launch: Bridge Bay

Weigh-In: Bridge Bay



Delta-10/10-11, 2009

Host Hotel: Comfort Suites 925 755-2222

Check-in: Friday eve 5-6:30pm Hook Line & Sinker 3100 main st, Oakley 925 625-2441

Launch: Russo’s Marina

Weigh-in: Russo’s Marina



Format: Same as old West Coast Bass
Shared weight two day pro-ams
Monday thru Wednesday off limits Thursday and Friday official pre-fish
Sat-Sun Tournament
5 fish weighed in each day per boat, 13" mouth open

entry Fees-

$640 Pro entry includes $30 dollar two days Pro Big Fish pool and a $10 dollar member service fee
$340 Semi-Pro entry fee includes two days Semi -Pro Big Fish pool and a $10 dollar member service fee
Minimum of an 80% cash payback the first year-As sponsors are brought on board additional payback will be considered. Sponsors want to see participation.
The member service fee will include benefits like TV, Radio, Print and Internet exposure.
Competitors signing up together Pro/boater and Semi pro/rider will be confirmed to fish the event . Pros or semi pros needing partners will be matched up with a paid deposit or full entry in the order they are received.

West Coast Bass
5098 Foothills Blvd.#3334
Roseville CA 95747

Email confirmations will be sent. When making room reservations be sure to ask for the special West Coast Bass rate. Please use entry forms when mailing entries

[Phil]

Schedule for 2009.here it is

Clear Lake-2/28-3/1, 2009

Host hotel: Konocti Harbor Resort 1 800 660- LAKE

Check-in : Friday eve2/27 5-6:30pm Pomo room

Launch: Konocti or other

Weigh-in: Konocti Harbor Resort



Oroville-3/28-29, 2009

Host hotel:Gold Country Casino and Hotel, Oroville 800-334-9400

Check-in: 5-6:30 pm Friday eve 3/27 Conference Room (2nd Floor)

Launch: Spillway

Weigh-in: Spillway



Don Pedro- 6/6-7, 2009

Host hotel: Quality Inn, Oakdale 209 847-8181

Check-in: Friday eve 6/5 5-6:30pm Ryderz Restaurant 875 East F st.

Oakdale next door to the Quality Inn


Shasta- 9/19-20, 2009

Host hotel: Ramada Inn 1286 Twin View Blvd. 530 246-2222

Check-in: Friday eve 9/18 5-6:30 pm Phil’s Props and Tackle

Launch: Bridge Bay

Weigh-In: Bridge Bay



Delta-10/10-11, 2009

Host Hotel: Comfort Suites 925 755-2222

Check-in: Friday eve 5-6:30pm Hook Line & Sinker 3100 main st, Oakley 925 625-2441

Launch: Russo’s Marina

Weigh-in: Russo’s Marina



Format: Same as old West Coast Bass
Shared weight two day pro-ams
Monday thru Wednesday off limits Thursday and Friday official pre-fish
Sat-Sun Tournament
5 fish weighed in each day per boat, 13" mouth open

entry Fees-

$640 Pro entry includes $30 dollar two days Pro Big Fish pool and a $10 dollar member service fee
$340 Semi-Pro entry fee includes two days Semi -Pro Big Fish pool and a $10 dollar member service fee
Minimum of an 80% cash payback the first year-As sponsors are brought on board additional payback will be considered. Sponsors want to see participation.
The member service fee will include benefits like TV, Radio, Print and Internet exposure.
Competitors signing up together Pro/boater and Semi pro/rider will be confirmed to fish the event . Pros or semi pros needing partners will be matched up with a paid deposit or full entry in the order they are received.

West Coast Bass
5098 Foothills Blvd.#3334
Roseville CA 95747

Email confirmations will be sent. When making room reservations be sure to ask for the special West Coast Bass rate. Please use entry forms when mailing entries

BUMP

[tbob]

When I do the math WCB is keeping $24,900, yet WONBASS was only needing to take $21,000 and they were horrible ? Here is the WCB payback and their take:
WCB PAYBACK
Entry Pro = $640 per angler
Payback-90%=576 per anger
to WCB = $64 per angler
Boats 150
Total to WCB pro payments = $9,600

AAA entry = $340
Payback = $238
to WCB = $102 per angler
Boats 150
AAA TOTAL to WCB = $15,300

COMBINED TOTAL AAA and PRO TO WCB = $24,900.00

[RMARX]

OH _ _ _ _ here we go again.......

[Phil]

I BELIEVE THAT $ 30.00 IS FOR BIG FISH. AND $ 10.00 IS FOR MEMBERSHIP AND TV EXPOSURE ETC..
SO I AM NOT A MATHMATITION BUT
150 X $ 600.00 IS $ 9000 >>>85% PAYBACK LEAVES I ASSUME >>>>$ 13500.00 ON THE PRO SIDE

AND I THINK, THINK am's is $ 6750.00 WHICH I GUESS IS $ 20,250.00 total take in not including big fish and or small membership fee !
MINUS PERMITS
MINUS HOTEL FEES, BANQUET FEES COSTS
MINUS MEETING PLACE FEES
MINUS ANY LAKE FEES
MINUS STAFF COSTS, PER DIEM ETC.
MINUS DOLLARS KEPT OUT FOR ANY CLASSIC OR SO CALLED TOC ?
SO APPROX $ 100,000 MINUS COSTS. PLUS FISH FOR FREE AT YEAR END AT THE CLASSIC IF $$$ LEFT OVER OR SPONSORS PARTICIPATE ?? PLUS , PLUS, PLUS..........YOU TELL ME........I KNOW WHEN I HELP ONE, JUST ONE TOURNAMENT A COUPLE YEARS AGO SMALL 30 BOATS AT DON PEDRO. AT $ 200 PER BOAT, WE WOUND UP PAYING OUT OF POCKET WAY OVER $ 2500.00 JUST FOR SMALL OF THAT SIZE............I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THESE ORGS DO IT AND MAKE ANY MONEY $$$ ????? NOT !! I MAY BE ALL WORNG ON THIS, I AM NOT A FINANCIAL WIZZARD OR I WOULD BE RICH...BUT GO FIGURE ???

[bryanmc]

Actually... It looks more like WCB makes 27,000 per event (before expenses) with a full 150 boat field. This doesn't take into account whatever expenses are defrayed by sponsor contributions or event fees paid by the host cities.

Hey... It's a business, the goal is to make money. I'm ok with that.

[ckraft]

i think 150 boats is unrealistic and with that said what will the pay out be.

[Rich hamilton]

check the thing in your pocket that has a vibrate feature or better yet look in your kitchen on the counter and see a small plastic shaped object. These are called phones! call larry V and rap with him, maybe you ALLLL will get some answers. anything else is AGENDA ATTENTION NONSENSE

[Jim Novotny]

I haven't figured the numbers, nor am I going to, but thanks guys for taking the effort to do this. What I don't see taken into account is that the big fish is paid back at 100%. Also I think Pro pay back is 90% entry fee not 85%. Also, to my liking, these are the fun NorCal lakes that I miss fishing and look forward to going back to. It seems to me, since WCB left none of the other ProAms have been as fun or exciting as WCB was in it's "Glory Days" I for one look forward to Larry bringing it back. He was always trying to grow the circuit and each year was striving to provide a bigger and better tournament. I haven't been to a "Classic" or TOC that compared to WCB's since they left. Really, why do we fish these? I do for the competition, camaraderie, and pleasure of fishing. Few of us are going to pull off what Gary Dobyns or Mike Reynolds or a few of the other top fishermen have done, so for those who want to fish this shared weight format, have fun, and have the potential to make some money, this is a great opportunity. We have to get behind these guys and support them. If not then our only option will be FLW and they sure don't seem to have a great payback (for the Stren at least) and they sure as heck aren't as much fun to fish. Who can afford to go back east for a TOC? Not me! My discussions with Larry seem to support that WCB is starting at a 90% payback and when he picks up sponsors and gets things up and running, the money will be coming back to us anglers. Only time will tell if this is true, but if it isn't then he too will go the way of WON Bass. We ought to give him a chance though or we will never know. It could be a great opportunity for us western anglers. This I do know, our options are dwindling fast and if no one like WCB steps up, we will be left fishing team tournaments or heading back east to fish pro-am tournaments.

[Phil]

www.westcoastbass.net
email, phone number etc is all there, ask the man ?? Or better yet, I'll see ya all there, I hope !!

[Robert F]

I know you two cheerleaders will come back and hit me with your pom poms but here is my take.
This thing is starting to stink. We "think" we are going to pay back 80, then 90 then 85 percent?
We will include TV exposure? What is the TV exposure?
We MAY have a TOC? We may not if we can't get a sponsor but you are paying for it.
Big fish payback is 100 percent? Where is this posted?
Call Larry? How about Larry call us or post the numbers.
I see some disappointed fishermen after awards presentation.
Give me a break. I'm out.

[Jim Novotny]

I doubt you see too many disappointed cheerleaders. With that attitude you probably shouldn't be at too many tournaments. All I'm trying to point out is that some of the figures weren't correct. No one would argue the National Guard is where the money is on the West Coast but who's got the 4K per tournament? Not me. For the money, I think WCB is the way to go with the POTENTIAL to get better. Of course, if you disagree then I for one am glad to hear your out because I'd rather see an opportunity and look to what might become rather than how bad it could be or how bad we MAY get screwed over in the future. Only one way to know for sure but if no one supports WCB then your prophecy will definitely be self fulfilling. My take only. No disrespect but cool it on the whole cheeleader thing. Just stating my opinion and another perspective.

[deltabass]

Obliviously, Robert F. knows nothing about WCB and what Larry stands for. It’s a shame that people are so hung up on coming out ahead. This organization is not a “MEâ€

[Robert F]

There is a new thread pumping WCB every day. You guys doing it are mostly pumping it as they are fishing your home lake. Sorry but it is getting old.
They are hammering the backseaters. Why do backseaters receive so much less payback than frontseaters? Then they are expected to share expenses? There is no accounting for the 30 bucks "big fish" payback. If it is 100 percent, great. It will pay nearly as much to catch the big fish out of the back of the boat as it will to win.
You guys say that FLW is too expensive but you can fish a back seat in the Stren for the same money as WCB and the payback is 100 percent plus! Almost 110 percent if a Ranger owner wins.
For a little more up front you can fish for the same payback as WCB without a Ranger, add 25,000 if the winner is a Ranger owner makes the Stren close to 120 percent. I don't think NG is the only game.
Just providing a little sanity to the advertorial. I hope it is all you guys expect. I just see a lot of holes in the billboard...................and I am glad pom poms are soft.

[MARK D. INMAN]

This isnt rocket science it bass fishing if you have 150 to 200 boats per tournament you can bet your a$$ that it going to be a pretty healthy payback no matter how you figure it.

[RMANZO]

" HOLLY SHIZZLE " does any other pro/am circuit pay back 90%????? how about "ANY" cicuit paying back 90%?????? heck no!!!!!if you all think it is sooooooooo easy and you become soooooooo rich, give it a try.................. everyone is so gung ho about putting doubts into everyone else....either like it and fish it, or don't....it's like an "OPTION" in a tourney..you get in or you don't......"OPTION"

[RMARX]

OK for 27 gazillion dollars they are going to make let me ask: Are they going to have TACO's??

[longshot]

and then you wonder why the tournament scene is so bad? Its just to much B.S. and not that much fun anymore!!!The guys sound like little babies crying all over the place.......
I like to enjoy my time and experience when fishing with my tournament partners and on the front of the boat. I was going to fish the WON tournies but now i am not sooooo looks like a few team opens like the Holder, Snag Proof, Owners ect. There just alot more FUN and that is what its about isnt it?
LS

[Phil]

OK for 27 gazillion dollars they are going to make let me ask: Are they going to have TACO's??

Well for the Don Pedro one Robert. Boats unlimited/Houseboat Mini Mart is sponsring a barbacue I think Tri tip ???

Don't know about Clearlake,Shasta,Delta, or Oroville, but I am sure there will be some sponsor there also, knowing Larry..

Thank you

Phil

[Phil]

[quote="Robert F"]There is a new thread pumping WCB every day. You guys doing it are mostly pumping it as they are fishing your home lake. Sorry but it is getting old.

Well right out of the gate your words are ahead of your brain. Home lake ??? Five different lakes, how in the world can that statement hold water ??

Why in the world does a fisherman/whatever, waste the time to try and find flaws, do his spell check, and have no intention to fish a particualr tournament anyway, but just sit there type and try to stir up crap. Its all beyond me. Why not try and find the good, and enjoyment in it all??I fish if I can afford to, or if I have no family diversions that weekend period. I do not look at flaws, or reasons to not fish because of poor payback etc. If I think that I am good enough to win, then for sure I am going to make money that weekend. Instead of looking for issues and bad payback bad freebees, bad this and that. Like I believe it was Hutch that said, just shut up and fish....Expect a Tournament director or owner to call you ?? Thats a fantisy. I appluad most directors/owners for keeping a low profile, why put themselves in front of the bus, waiting for guys to step on the gas; thats what they have us for, yes ?? Have a nice day...
Jigs

[Ricky-S]

I don't mean any disrespect to WCB or anyone who it trying to help promote them, as I plan to fish them as I did in the past. However, I do not see how WCB is a "better" (which is very subjective) than Stren any shape or form?

Additionally, the media coverage for FLW is on a national level with live streaming weigh-ins and a national championship that is on a major network. Stren/NG also have a staff of 10-15 people at each event.

Please explain to me how one would assert that fishing WCB over Stren would be a "better" investment? Stren pays more spots and offer a "scheduled" FREE national championship that will appear on national tv with 60 paid spots where 60th place is $4000 and first is like $100,000-120,000. Plus someone from the West at the Championship will qualify to fish the FWO for up to $1 million dollars.

I am not bashing as I plan to fish WCB. Come on folks WCB is a great opportunity and we SHOULD support this circuit but let us compare apples to apples. We are talking about a $640 entry fee verses $825. That is a $185 difference. With the same 150 boats (let’s compare) Stren would pay 10-15 more spots (40-50 spots) and WCB pays 30. You make the choice for yourself.

WCB Stren
1 $22,000 $25,000 (plus Ranger if qualified)
2 $11,000 $8,082 +$5,000 (Ranger Boat Bonus)
3 $5,500 $7,274
4 $4,700 $6,466 +$5,000 (Ranger Bonus)
5 $4,100 $5,657
6 $3,400 $4,849
7 $3,100 $4,446
8 $2,900 $4,041
9 $2,700 $3,637
10 $2,500 $3,234
11 $1,800 $2,424
12 $1,600 $2,020
13 $1,400 $1,819
14 $1,300 $1,615
15 $1,200 $1,415
16 $1,000 $1,415
17 $1,000 $1,415
18 $1,000 $1,415
19 $1,000 $1,415
20 $1,000 $1,172
21 $900 $1,172
22 $800 $1,172
23 $750 $1,172
24 $650 $1,172
25 $600 $970
26 $600 $970
27 $600 $970
28 $600 $970
29 $600 $970
30 $600 $808
31 0 $808
32 0 $808
33 0 $808
34 0 $808
35 0 $808
36 0 $808
37 0 $808
38 0 $808
39 0 $808
40 0 $808

[Rich hamilton]

Can you say MANOPAUSE ?

[spinnerbait82]

ricky thats a good post it does not get any more black & white then that

[Robert F]

No spellcheck necessary Jigs. 5th grade spelling bee champ. Bombed out in the Regionals. You will still find a few mistakes if you look deep.
I was looking at some WCB events but I am seeing cracks in the wall. Just pointing out my opinion. I am sure the local talent on each water is looking at the home field advantage. Not a big deal to me. I have no local water per se.
Paybacks and missing details are my concern. Ricky laid out the Pro side of the payouts. The huge difference is in the back of the boat. The Ams are subsidizing the Pro paybacks big time. 70 percent versus 85? 90? whatever it is. Stren Co-angler payback is over 100 percent WITHOUT the Ranger bonus. Plus the entry is cheaper. I didn't bring up the payback details but I am not going to bury them either.
The string promises are the worst part. The fishermen can do nothing to get a sponsor for you. Why should our payback or championship depend on you? What is your motivation to get the sponsor now? Should be done or not counted on for this season. The promise is just bait to get participation. I appreciate the enthusiasm but at some point the rules have to be set.
Just giving a biased opinion. The bias is to my wallet. Proceed to cheer away.

[cleb19]

OROVILLEEEEE YEEAAHHHHHHHHHH HOMEFEILD ADVANTAGE LOL LOL LOL Robert stop stirring crap and give me a call dumba@#



Chad

[Ricky-S]

Co angler payout
WCB Stren
1 $10,000 $Ranger 177 and motor
2 $4,500 $3,391
3 $2,000 $2,756
4 $1,500 $2,120
5 $1,400 $1,696
6 $1,200 $1,611
7 $1,100 $1,525
8 $900 $1,442
9 $800 $1,355
10 $500 $1,273
11 $500 $932
12 $400 $848
13 $400 $763
14 $400 $678
15 $400 $594
16 $400 $551
17 $400 $551
18 $400 $551
19 $400 $551
20 $400 $551
21 $400 $467
22 $300 $467
23 $300 $467
24 $300 $467
25 $300 $467
26 $300 $403
27 $300 $403
28 $300 $403
29 $300 $403
30 $300 $403
31 0 $296
32 0 $296
33 0 $296
34 0 $296
35 0 $296
36 0 $296
37 0 $296
38 0 $296
39 0 $296
40 0 $296

[Phil]

well I guess there ya have it then ???