A disturbing email.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:02 am

The following statement is false. I find it disturbing that people will hand out 90% credible information and then bring their own facts into question by including a non truth. It was originally reported the University of Kentucky dropped the Holocaust from its curriculum then later modified to United Kingdom. Neither is true. Click Here.

I see the anti Muslim sentiment growing. Many Americans and U.K. residents are looking at all Muslims as the problem with the world today.

Governments and Sects are problems, not you average peace loving person who happens to be Muslim We are at war with extremists.

There are no differences between us and the Germans who turned their heads from the Holocaust. If we allow ourselves to judge all Muslims based on the actions of extremists we turn into Nazi's.

It might be convenient to throw all people who dress alike into one group and exterminate them but I won't be joining people who think like that, and I hear more anti muslim sentiment every day.

I find these Blind Faith Hitleresc type of Youtube videos extremely disturbing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU WTF do they mean by "A CALL TO ACTION?" Extermination? Mass deportation?

We've already started going against our own principles by utilizing torture.

"in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor,"

sounds to me like that japanese soldier was punished for waterboarding an american...

But I was not referring to Asano, nor was my source Sen. Kennedy. Instead I was referencing the statement of a different member of the Senate: John McCain. On November 29, 2007, Sen. McCain, while campaigning in St. Petersburg, Florida, said, â€œFollowing World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding.â€

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:40 pm

"There are no differences between us and the Germans who turned their heads from the Holocaust"

What the he!! are you talking about old man? You really can't be serious. What was the purpose of this post? You're all over the place. How did Hitler judge the Jews based on a few? And who is judging muslims? When has our government called for mass deportation? And when has our government called for extermniation? You're losing it old, Sir if you are REALLY trying to make these analogies.

Andy

bob tratar · Post by **bob tratar** » Fri May 01, 2009 3:31 pm

I don't participate much on the forums, but I do read most all the polit. forum posts. I'm a Vietnam vet. '65-'68 USN. When some of you come on here disrespecting our country and comparing us to the terroists I get a little POed. The differance between a terroist and a soldier fighting for his country is like night and day. The terroist has no rights to be treated according to the Geneva convention. There is nothing we could do to terroists that would make me look down on our country including waterboarding. So Greg, hope you and some of the others on here learn to love your country

getalife · Post by **getalife** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:10 pm

Welcome to the political forum Bob,
You will find that Fishahalic will automatically disagree, and Dan will ask for scientific journals that back your post. The fact is that there are many Lib's on this forum that would like nothing more than the actual coronation of Obama. You are exactly correct about the rights of terrorists... they have none! I was waterboarded in SERE school and I survived!

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:54 pm

Andy Lippert wrote:"There are no differences between us and the Germans who turned their heads from the Holocaust"
Andy

My point is that the German populous was led by the nose into war and a belief system that turned the world upside down. They started out as decent folk like us.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri May 01, 2009 6:03 pm

bob tratar wrote:The terroist has no rights to be treated according to the Geneva convention. There is nothing we could do to terroists that would make me look down on our country including waterboarding. So Greg, hope you and some of the others on here learn to love your country

All human captives have same rights under the Geneva Convention signing until we vote to disavow it.. The English thought we were terrorists before the revolutionary war. We were the masters of Guerrilla Warfare. If we executed and imprisoned the Japanese for water boarding, then why is it okay to do what we punished others for doing? Now its easy to say, "I would never look down on my country for waterboarding."

I think people who spout that rhetoric are really saying, "I refuse to lift a finger to make my country better."

I obviously love my country more than some because I'm willing to try to correct its wrongs and improve it, not follow blindly like the Germans did.

Bob Simard · Post by **Bob Simard** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:03 pm

....Probably just trying to be provocative. Your thought process in the origianl post is all over the place. You equate what's happened in Gitmo to what happened in Nazi Germany? Your nuts. They were fed well, allowed to pray, slept, etc.

and regardless of what you think you know - terrorists, muslim extremists who do not view non-believers as human are not equivilant to soldiers fighting for and representing a nation-state. Geneva convention? give me a break.

And just because you don't see eye to eye with me, you label my opinion rhetoric? That's typical.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:42 pm

Thanks Greg â€“ you are making it easy - You are starting to hear from the â€œSilent Majorityâ€

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:57 pm

you mispelled "ever"

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:02 pm

Bob Simard wrote:....Probably just trying to be provocative. Your thought process in the origianl post is all over the place. You equate what's happened in Gitmo to what happened in Nazi Germany? Your nuts. They were fed well, allowed to pray, slept, etc.

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Please show me where I equate Gitmo to Nazi Germany.

Bob Simard wrote:and regardless of what you think you know - terrorists, muslim extremists who do not view non-believers as human are not equivilant to soldiers fighting for and representing a nation-state. Geneva convention? give me a break.

I don't know what Muslim extremists views on human life have to do with our honoring the papers we signed Geneva Convention.

Bob Simard wrote:And just because you don't see eye to eye with me, you label my opinion rhetoric? That's typical.

It is typical, isn't it.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:32 pm

That was a test - you passed

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:35 pm

bob tratar wrote:I don't participate much on the forums, but I do read most all the polit. forum posts. I'm a Vietnam vet. '65-'68 USN. When some of you come on here disrespecting our country and comparing us to the terroists I get a little POed. The differance between a terroist and a soldier fighting for his country is like night and day. The terroist has no rights to be treated according to the Geneva convention. There is nothing we could do to terroists that would make me look down on our country including waterboarding. So Greg, hope you and some of the others on here learn to love your country

I seem to remember another Vietnam vet that served a lot of his time in Vietnam in the Hanoi Hilton being tortured and in his opinion is that we should NOT be torturing period. This same vet was picked by the republican party as there candidate for president.

BTW, where does disagreeing with a presidents decisions all of a sudden mean that you are unamerican because if that was the case then YOU sir are unamerican and do not love your country.

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:07 am

All of the sudden "mcsame" has the right idea? Somebody better do a security check on oHalls account.... Wait a minute...calling a vet un American for some **** he didn't even say...I guess it really is the pinko clown afterall...

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:21 am

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:29 am

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:58 am

Andy Lippert wrote:All of the sudden "mcsame" has the right idea? Somebody better do a security check on oHalls account.... Wait a minute...calling a vet un American for some **** he didn't even say...I guess it really is the pinko clown afterall...

There you go again, thinking just because he is a "vet" that he knows more and his opinion means more than some one elses, but at least he does not post a web site to glorify himself like some have done.

The only reason I brought up McCain is because he is a vet, one that your party ran for president as the war hero. Well I hate to break it to you but your war hero is against torture and since he was tortured I think that makes his opinion valid on this subject.

I did not call this guy unamerican but I did point out the fact that if he judged me to be unamerican just because I don't believe in torture and the presidents decision to torture then he could be judged in the same way. BTW, I have never really said I was against torture, I even said I did not care if they ripped the limbs off of these terrorist but I do care about how this whole situation arose. How your president GW changed rules and found a AG that would approve of his opinion.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:07 am

Rod Martin wrote:I think our spies during WWII knew the Geneva convention did not apply to them. The japs tortured men in uniform. The VC did the same. the convention does not apply to terriost, but does apply to solders of Irac during both conflics. I.m not happy with it,but just as with other times and Pres. define it better or accept that We as well as them will strech things as far as possible.

I think this torture debate has got off on this geneva convention thing and forgot this one major point. That this country is better than any country in the world and we are above torture, we are better than that. That being said I am not completely against torture. I think it has been proven that torture does not really work, that people will tell you what you want to hear to stop the torture. The fact that they waterboarded that one guy over a 100 times tells the whole story.

However, torture as a punishment I like. In this case I am all for torture but only on a very limited few and torture the hell out of these guys. The mastermind for 9/11 and maybe some of those guys that they have on video beheading people...........torture away

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Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:36 am

Rod Martin wrote:Gregg a call to action can mean simply having more babies, until the world sees over pop. as a problem, the Mormans and the Catolics have the best solution. More babies, no birth control, breed faster than them. A call to action does not always mean bad things. Or conrol our borders and allow entry to fewer people

No Rod, that would be, "A call to screwing."

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:39 am

FishaHallic wrote:The mastermind for 9/11 and maybe some of those guys that they have on video beheading people...........torture away .

Well, I could talk myself into dusting of the 12 guage.

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Sat May 02, 2009 2:09 pm

When did I say he knew more than you? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me when I said this....Also, who was waterboarded more than 100 times? For someone who calls people out all the time on making erroneous claims...you MIGHT want to get your facts straight, libby.

Onto calling a Vet "unAmerican"
I simply had a problem with the fact that you all of the sudden are quoting McCain as though he is correct, when you've done nothing but bash him for the past year or so. You're an idiot...and while you do have a right to call someone Unamerican, I laught at you...never having served AMERICA yourself, calling someone who had the BALLS to serve his country "unamerican". You are a JOKE hall. A Vet leaves more "American" in the toilet every morning than you'll ever experience in your whole life. Get a clue Hall! Maybe you can join the Army or something, I hear they'll take almost anyone these days. It seems like you have a void in your life from when you were around 18 years old and you thought about the military...then you reached down, tried to grab ahold, and realized there was nothing there. www.army.com man. Check it out.

Andy

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:17 pm

Andy, why do you always get so far off topic and start name calling?

There are 24.5 million The number of military veterans in the United States.

1.7 million The number of veterans who are women.

So of the 277,859,724 of the rest of the population has no right to call anyone un-American? Get real. 10 percent of the guys I knew in the Military during Viet Nam were there as an alternative to jail. I met some great guys in the military but I met some Pukes too. The Military is just like the rest of the population with the same hopes and dreams and political ideologies. But they have shinier shoes and cleaner rooms.

You sure like to pound you chest about being in the military. Most of the old farts who killed a lot more guys than you'll ever think of just shut up about it and don't brag about being vets all the time.

OHH I'm Military, I'm Sooo Special. Get over yourself. Go get your bone shined. Mellow out.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:07 pm

Andy Lippert wrote:When did I say he knew more than you? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me when I said this....Also, who was waterboarded more than 100 times? For someone who calls people out all the time on making erroneous claims...you MIGHT want to get your facts straight, libby.

Oh poor Andy , do you need cream on your bottom because your crying like a baby. Try reading this http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/world ... .html?_r=1 and in this article it states that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times, now I don't know if this is true or not but they got the info from this http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/olc/techniques.pdf also known as the Bradbury memo. The Bradbury memo is 46 pgs of legal talk and somewhere in there I believe they state they waterboarder KSM 183 times.

Onto calling a Vet "unAmerican"
I simply had a problem with the fact that you all of the sudden are quoting McCain as though he is correct, when you've done nothing but bash him for the past year or so. You're an idiot...and while you do have a right to call someone Unamerican, I laught at you...never having served AMERICA yourself, calling someone who had the BALLS to serve his country "unamerican". You are a JOKE hall. A Vet leaves more "American" in the toilet every morning than you'll ever experience in your whole life. Get a clue Hall! Maybe you can join the Army or something, I hear they'll take almost anyone these days. It seems like you have a void in your life from when you were around 18 years old and you thought about the military...then you reached down, tried to grab ahold, and realized there was nothing there. www.army.com man. Check it out.

Andy

So your saying the fact that I don't think McCain was a better choice than Obama means that I don't believe anything he says? Please tell me your joking. Are you so twisted Andy that you believe everything your guy says and nothing from the other party...............wait a minute, I know that answer. I never called your war hero buddy unamerican I just showed how stupid his and your argument is to call anyone unamerican because they don't believe in waterboarding.

Andy, I think it would be best for you to find a kiddie section to post in because your in way over your head here. I will use this time to post some pictures of true heros, people who served in the military are all heros according to you and by the sound of your boasting YOU are the biggest hero ever, you make Audie Murphy look like a boy scout. BTW, have you updated YOUR war hero web site lately, I am sure you have new and improved pictures of YOU holding some fancy new weapons and maybe an Iraqi head or scalp maybe?

Anyway do you have posters on your wall of these "HEROS"

??? Just wondering

Thunnus Salmoides · Post by **Thunnus Salmoides** » Sun May 03, 2009 8:41 am

Dan McKenzie wrote:you mispelled "ever"

Classic! You misspelled the word misspelled.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sun May 03, 2009 8:54 am

Thunnus Salmoides wrote:
Dan McKenzie wrote:you mispelled "ever"
Classic! You misspelled the word misspelled.

LOL That's exactly what happens to me every time I correct someone Dan.

But when I don't say something until I reach the boiling point, then explode, I always find out I'm wrong. And... as soon as I say something has been stolen, it turns up.

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Sun May 03, 2009 1:44 pm

Hall and Greg, Kind gentlemen,

I'm posting here in response, only to offer you two a deal. I will indeed find another "kiddie forum" if you can please provide me with the following;

1. An example of me claiming that I am a hero.

2. An example of any time I have ever mentioned what I do in the military (other than my secondary MOS of being a martial arts instructor), or what I have EVER done in battle.

3. An example on my Myspace or Facebook page (the pages I offered you to see mr hall) in which I glorify myself.

There's the deal gents. Pretty self-explantory. If you can provide me with the aformentioned examples, I will indeed NEVER again post on this political board.

Thanks. And good day to you both.

Andy

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Sun May 03, 2009 2:45 pm

Sorry Andy but almost everytime you reply to something you mention your military service, you imply that unless you served the military and laid your life on the line for this country then your opinion is crap.

I hope you don't think I kept your link where you glorified yourself because I did not.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sun May 03, 2009 4:23 pm

Andy Lippert wrote:Hall and Greg, Kind gentlemen,

I'm posting here in response, only to offer you two a deal. I will indeed find another "kiddie forum" if you can please provide me with the following;

Andy

I really couldn't care less if you post here or anywhere else, Why do you think you shouldn't post here? It's a free country. We have free speech. I'm an adult, I can choose what I want to read and what I don't.

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:17 am

Ok...Since you two cannot provide any evidence for your outlandish claims, I'll make it simple on you, hall and Greg. It doesn't get much simpler than this, I hope your liberal brains can comprehend this....Here it goes...

Give me an example of when I mentioned my military service in THIS (I won't ask you to do anything but scroll through the page and read something you've already read) thread.

You two are so incredibly quick to discount the factless claims that others make, so use your fact-searching prowess on this one gents, and dig up some "fame claiming" dirt on me in this post! I think you'll find that you two are both guilty of of something that you constantly accuse others of.

I could be wrong, but I think that makes you two "hypocrites". Correct me if I'm wrong.

Have a nice day.

Andy

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:47 am

I really do have more important things to do than to spend time researching you. I really don't care what you do as much as you care what I do.

Go fishin' Andy.

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:57 am

I just posted a picture from yesterday...So Cal has some decent fishing, if you look hard, but still can't hold a candle to Nor Cal. I'm headed up to Clear Lake this summer some time to fish hard for 4 days/nights. Maybe I'll see you on the water.

Andy

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:15 am

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:08 am

It was meant as a joke for our "friend" and butcher of the english language.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:15 am

Dan McKenzie wrote:It was meant as a joke for our "friend" and butcher of the english language.

Marty?

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:46 pm

Andy Lippert wrote:Ok...Since you two cannot provide any evidence for your outlandish claims, I'll make it simple on you, hall and Greg. It doesn't get much simpler than this, I hope your liberal brains can comprehend this....Here it goes...

Andy

Finally got some time to research you Andy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSiXjsjwbJc

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:08 pm

Funny...Cause I did that same with you, and I thought you lived in Clear Lake, not North Carolina?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_JPcBwYGmo

Do you just fly out there for the club meetings or what?

Andy

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:39 pm

Hahahahaha, that's some funny **** right there. No wonder there's no bigfoot around. They moved to get away from these people. I just sent this off to all my conservative relatives and told them its a group I joined. Can't wait for the replies.

FishaHallic · Post by **FishaHallic** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:55 pm

Andy Lippert wrote:Ok...Since you two cannot provide any evidence for your outlandish claims, I'll make it simple on you, hall and Greg. It doesn't get much simpler than this, I hope your liberal brains can comprehend this....Here it goes...

Give me an example of when I mentioned my military service in THIS (I won't ask you to do anything but scroll through the page and read something you've already read) thread.

You two are so incredibly quick to discount the factless claims that others make, so use your fact-searching prowess on this one gents, and dig up some "fame claiming" dirt on me in this post! I think you'll find that you two are both guilty of of something that you constantly accuse others of.

I could be wrong, but I think that makes you two "hypocrites". Correct me if I'm wrong.

Have a nice day.

Andy

I will answer your question with a question. Did you or did you not post a website here that showed you in uniform or some sort of military duty?

Did you or did you not say that you trained martial arts in the military.

I also believe you insinuated that you served in Iraq, is this true?

Do you or do you not attack anyone that says anything that you take as a attack on a military person?

Get over yourself Andy and just post, I could care less what you did/do in the military or otherwise.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:16 pm

Andy, youâ€™re my hero because you did what others would not do. Because of their lack of back bone or because they value their self interest more.

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