a great letter to the president

[Bison]

Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America' crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett


Note: Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America's true living legends--an acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as "partnering." Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years, made corporate history.

Lou Pritchett is a former vice president of Procter & Gamble whose career at that company spanned 36 years before his retirement in 1989, and he is the author of the 1995 business book, Stop Paddling & Start Rocking the Boat.

Mr. Pritchett confirmed that he was indeed the author of the much-circulated "open letter." "I did write the 'you scare me' letter. I sent it to the NY Times but they never acknowledged or published it. However, it hit the internet and according to the 'experts' has had over 500,000 hits.

[FishaHallic]

Too many issues with this letter to even respond, other than to say everyone has a right to there own opinion.


, I don't like the "new persona", it's NO fun .

[Dan McKenzie]

It's just a guess, but I think this guy might be scared to go outside. Pretty lame.

[StockOption]

Given that Lou's a renowned keynote speaker I doubt he suffers from agoraphobia. Perhaps, but I doubt it.

http://www.keynotespeakers.com/speaker_ ... kerid=4175

He obviously suffers from obamaphobia and given several of the facts he's listed in his letter I cannot say I really blame him.

[Jeff C.]

Pritchett's got a right to his opinion. To bad for him though that the American people were apparently more scared of four more years of the lies, ignorance, and corruption of the Republicans.

[Dan McKenzie]

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations

Does anyone really believe that the banks didn't need some arm twisting? That they weren't responsible in some part for the current mess surrounding bad paper and credit? It's about time they got a little lemon juice with the sugar. This obviously wasn't one of his best addresses. And as for coporate America recognizing him as a foremost leader in change management, hmm I'm not convinced about that.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

Help me with this one, just how has Obama "demonized" any of these melodramatic talk show diva's? Ha ha, good stuff. Not one of those guys is a real newsman, everyone of them is and has given knowingly false statements in the last three months and steadfastly refused to acknowledge it. And Iv'e seen the same exact thing come out of the liberal media so I realize it goes both ways. But to throw anyone of these four bozo's out there as some sort of martyr is laughable at best.

[Greg_Cornish]

Dear President Obama:

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

Where the F have you been?

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.

Unlike Bush who had his daddy's support and never would have even gone to college if not for Daddy Bush.. hehe

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

No he pretty much traveled around the world getting to see a broad range of cultures and getting a better understanding of them than any previous president.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

Bush ran a company and never met a payroll, Ronald Regan was an Actor, Kennedy never ran a company, McCain never ran a company, and a slough of others never did anything but politics. Why would that scare him, he needs to do some research - go to Wikipedia.org for a start.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

LOL total ignorance

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

He'd prefer to let the predators continue preying upon the public without regulation I bet.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

Ya this one's great now. Go ahead, say, "Why to rich people fly into Mayo Clinic to be fixed?" I say, "Why are insurance companies trying to allow poor people to go to Mexico for health care?" There is no room for huge profit in health care. an acquaintance started one of the first HMOs in NY state. He's worth 15 million dollars now by saying "No" to people.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

So this guy doesn't like alternative energy, but I got to say to that we need nuke power, can't totally disagree here.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

Actually that would be Sweden.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.

Awwwww poor billionaires, You mean they won't be able to use extotion on us anymore? I'll miss that.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

Hmmmm Sounds familiar

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

Sory dude, you got the wrong planet.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

And your source for that is......?

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

Give them time, they are still breathing a sigh of relief along with most of the rest of us Americans

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

He conveniently left out that other crazy bitch I never listen to, hmm what her name with the Adam's Apple?

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett

I know how you could save yourself a lot of time. If he serves a second term it will be because things have improved or because Sarah Palin will be running against him, one or the two.

[Marty]

Boy if that one letter pisses you off here are two more – written by Americans.
Plus an Article written in Prauda.

Greg you need to really look at the American populist and see what they are saying – check this poll numbers.

A Gallup poll this week found that the number of Americans defining themselves as conservative is at its highest point in 20 years, at 40 percent.

That compared to 35 percent saying they are moderate and 21 percent saying they are liberal (that is you Greg).

The results track closely with another Gallup poll, from May, which found more Americans defining themselves as “pro-lifeâ€

[Marty]

From a woman in Arizona. Janet Contreras writes an open letter to our nation's leadership:

I'm a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue the issues important to me. There must be someone. Please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell me that you are there and that you're willing to fight for our Constitution as it was written. Please stand up now. You might ask yourself what my views and issues are that I would horribly feel so disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of nut job am I? Will you please tell me?

Well, these are briefly my views and issues for which I seek representation:

One, illegal immigration. I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and secure our borders. Close the underground tunnels. Stop the violence and the trafficking in drugs and people. No amnesty, not again. Been there, done that, no resolution. P.S., I'm not a racist. This isn't to be confused with legal immigration.

Two, the TARP bill, I want it repealed and I want no further funding supplied to it. We told you no, but you did it anyway. I want the remaining unfunded 95% repealed. Freeze, repeal.

Three: Czars, I want the circumvention of our checks and balances stopped immediately. Fire the czars. No more czars. Government officials answer to the process, not to the president. Stop trampling on our Constitution and honor it.

Four, cap and trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There is more to say.

Five, universal healthcare. I will not be rushed into another expensive decision. Don't you dare try to pass this in the middle of the night and then go on break. Slow down!

Six, growing government control. I want states rights and sovereignty fully restored. I want less government in my life, not more. Shrink it down. Mind your own business. You have enough to take care of with your real obligations. Why don't you start there.

Seven, ACORN. I do not want ACORN and its affiliates in charge of our 2010 census. I want them investigated. I also do not want mandatory escrow fees contributed to them every time on every real estate deal that closes. Stop the funding to ACORN and its affiliates pending impartial audits and investigations. I do not trust them with taking the census over with our taxpayer money. I don't trust them with our taxpayer money. Face up to the allegations against them and get it resolved before taxpayers get any more involved with them. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, hello. Stop protecting your political buddies. You work for us, the people. Investigate.

Eight, redistribution of wealth. No, no, no. I work for my money. It is mine. I have always worked for people with more money than I have because they gave me jobs. That is the only redistribution of wealth that I will support. I never got a job from a poor person. Why do you want me to hate my employers? Why ­­ what do you have against shareholders making a profit?

Nine, charitable contributions. Although I never got a job from a poor person, I have helped many in need. Charity belongs in our local communities, where we know our needs best and can use our local talent and our local resources. Butt out, please. We want to do it ourselves.

Ten, corporate bailouts. Knock it off. Sink or swim like the rest of us. If there are hard times ahead, we'll be better off just getting into it and letting the strong survive. Quick and painful. Have you ever ripped off a Band­Aid? We will pull together. Great things happen in America under great hardship. Give us the chance to innovate. We cannot disappoint you more than you have disappointed us.

Eleven, transparency and accountability. How about it? No, really, how about it? Let's have it. Let's say we give the buzzwords a rest and have some straight honest talk. Please try ­­ please stop manipulating and trying to appease me with clever wording. I am not the idiot you obviously take me for. Stop sneaking around and meeting in back rooms making deals with your friends. It will only be a prelude to your criminal investigation. Stop hiding things from me.

Twelve, unprecedented quick spending. Stop it now.

Take a breath. Listen to the people. Let's just slow down and get some input from some nonpoliticians on the subject. Stop making everything an emergency. Stop speed reading our bills into law. I am not an activist. I am not a community organizer. Nor am I a terrorist, a militant or a violent person. I am a parent and a grandparent. I work. I'm busy. I'm busy. I am busy, and I am tired. I thought we elected competent people to take care of the business of government so that we could work, raise our families, pay our bills, have a little recreation, complain about taxes, endure our hardships, pursue our personal goals, cut our lawn, wash our cars on the weekends and be responsible contributing members of society and teach our children to be the same all while living in the home of the free and land of the brave.

I entrusted you with upholding the Constitution. I believed in the checks and balances to keep from getting far off course. What happened? You are very far off course. Do you really think I find humor in the hiring of a speed reader to unintelligently ramble all through a bill that you signed into law without knowing what it contained? I do not. It is a mockery of the responsibility I have entrusted to you. It is a slap in the face. I am not laughing at your arrogance. Why is it that I feel as if you would not trust me to make a single decision about my own life and how I would live it but you should expect that I should trust you with the debt that you have laid on all of us and our children. We did not want the TARP bill. We said no. We would repeal it if we could. I am sure that we still cannot. There is such urgency and recklessness in all of the recent spending.

From my perspective, it seems that all of you have gone insane. I also know that I am far from alone in these feelings. Do you honestly feel that your current pursuits have merit to patriotic Americans? We want it to stop. We want to put the brakes on everything that is being rushed by us and forced upon us. We want our voice back. You have forced us to put our lives on hold to straighten out the mess that you are making. We will have to give up our vacations, our time spent with our children, any relaxation time we may have had and money we cannot afford to spend on you to bring our concerns to Washington. Our president often knows all the right buzzword is unsustainable. Well, no kidding. How many tens of thousands of dollars did the focus group cost to come up with that word? We don't want your overpriced words. Stop treating us like we're morons.

We want all of you to stop focusing on your reelection and do the job we want done, not the job you want done or the job your party wants done. You work for us and at this rate I guarantee you not for long because we are coming. We will be heard and we will be represented. You think we're so busy with our lives that we will never come for you? We are the formerly silent majority, all of us who quietly work , pay taxes, obey the law, vote, save money, keep our noses to the grindstone and we are now looking up at you. You have awakened us, the patriotic spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping too long. You have pushed us too far. Our numbers are great. They may surprise you. For every one of us who will be there, there will be hundreds more that could not come. Unlike you, we have their trust. We will represent them honestly, rest assured. They will be at the polls on voting day to usher you out of office. We have cancelled vacations. We will use our last few dollars saved. We will find the representation among us and a grassroots campaign will flourish. We didn't ask for this fight. But the gloves are coming off. We do not come in violence, but we are angry. You will represent us or you will be replaced with someone who will. There are candidates among us when he will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes that you have made of our constitution.

Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian. Understand this. We don't care. Political parties are meaningless to us. Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and consistently, in spite of the objections of your party, you will be fired. Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be loyal to us, not to them. Because we will get you fired and they will not save you. If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn congress if need be one by one. We are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do you represent? Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming.

[Marty]

Good letter even if it's not from Kathleen Lyday. The point it gets you Lib's pissed.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barack ... _obama.htm
"Readers will either agree or disagree with the opinions expressed above depending on their own political convictions, but the matter of its authorship is subject to correction."

"Kathleen Lyday at Grandview Elementary School in Hillsboro, Missouri, said she did not, write the letter. Other variants attribute authorship to "Franklin Bell" or "Douglas M. Casamer."

Mr Obama:

I have had it with you and your administration, sir. Your conduct on your recent trip overseas has convinced me that you are not an adequate representative of the United States of America collectively or of me personally. You are so obsessed with appeasing the Europeans and the Muslim world that you have abdicated the responsibilities of the President of the United States of America .

You are responsible to the citizens of the United States . You are not responsible to the peoples of any other country on earth. I personally resent that you go around the world apologizing for the United States telling Europeans that we are arrogant and do not care about their status in the world. Sir, what do you think the First World War and the Second World War were all about if not the consideration of the peoples of Europe ? Are you brain dead? What do you think the Marshall Plan was all about? Do you not understand or know the history of the 20th century?

Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States ?

This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics and the principles governing this country, at least until you came along, come directly from this heritage. Do you not understand this? Your bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia is an affront to all Americans. Our President does not bow down to anyone, let alone the king of Saudi Arabia . You don’t show Great Britain , our best and one of our oldest allies, the respect they deserve yet you bow down to the king of Saudi Arabia . How dare you, sir! How dare you!

You can’t find the time to visit the graves of our greatest generation because you don’t want to offend the Germans but make time to visit a mosque in Turkey .. You offended our dead and every veteran when you give the Germans more respect than the people who saved the German people from themselves. What’s the matter with you? I am convinced that you and the members of your administration have the historical and intellectual depth of a mud puddle and should be ashamed of yourselves, all of you.

You are so self-righteously offended by the big bankers and the American automobile manufacturers yet do nothing about the real thieves in this situation, Mr Dodd, Mr Frank, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelic, the Fannie Mae bonuses, and the Freddie Mac bonuses. What do you intend to do about them? Anything? I seriously doubt it.

What about the U.S. House members passing out $9.1 million in bonuses to their staff members – on top of the $2.5 million in automatic pay raises that lawmakers gave themselves? I understand the average House aide got a 17% bonus.. I took a 5% cut in my pay to save jobs with my employer. You haven’t said anything about that. Who authorized that? I surely didn’t!

Executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be receiving $210 million in bonuses over an eighteen-month period, that's $45 million more than the AIG bonuses. In fact, Fannie and Freddie executives have already been awarded $51 million – not a bad take. Who authorized that and why haven’t you expressed your outrage at this group who are largely responsible for the economic mess we have right now. I resent that you take me and my fellow citizens as brain-dead and not caring about what you idiots do.

We are watching what you are doing and we are getting increasingly fed up with all of you. I also want you to know that I personally find just about everything you do and say to be offensive to every one of my sensibilities. I promise you that I will work tirelessly to see that you do not get a chance to spend two terms destroying my beautiful country.

Sincerely,

[Marty]

An article from Prauda – 27.04.2009

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

Speak the truth and shame the devil on Pravda.ru forum

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

Stanislav Mishin

[Jeff C.]

Good letter even if it's not from Kathleen Lyday. The point it gets you Lib's pissed.

Hah! I think it's the conservatives who are the ones all pissed. What do liberals have to be pissed about? We won, you lost. Sucks to be you.

[Marty]

Tournament season is over – I still own you a day on the water that includes lunch for losing the election. But keep in mind Jeff it is only four years and BHO will lose the congress in two years. He knows that - that is why congress is passing bills without even reading them. They have to get their agenda in before the American people find out who he really is.

[Greg_Cornish]

HOLY BALLS, I've seen great walls of text before but Marty just took it to a whole new level. Sorry, I won't read great walls of blue text. To much for my eyes.

[Marty]

Greg it was not for you to read you would not agree with any of it – it is meant for others to read! Go back up stairs and stir the pot about PETA – you know you support them.

[Greg_Cornish]

Greg it was not for you to read you would not agree with any of it – it is meant for others to read! Go back up stairs and stir the pot about PETA – you know you support them.

[2ndsuks]

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

Help me with this one, just how has Obama "demonized" any of these melodramatic talk show diva's? Ha ha, good stuff. Not one of those guys is a real newsman, everyone of them is and has given knowingly false statements in the last three months and steadfastly refused to acknowledge it. .

Dan,

Help me on this one.
Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly and Beck have always contended to be commentators, for you to insinuate they are claiming to be newsmen is disingenuous on your part.
Could you please refute their "false statements" in the last three months.

[Greg_Cornish]

Could you please refute their "false statements" in the last three months.

Who even listens to that crap.

[Dan McKenzie]

typical of the extremist right, answer a question with a question. Answer first and I'll be happy to show just what liars this group of Jerry Springer wannabes are. Otherwise don't bother me.

Disingenuous? You bunch of talk show junkies make me laugh.

[Rod Martin]

We won, you lost. Sucks to be you.
I was watching the pres press sec the other day. He said almost the same thing

So much for reaching across to the R's

Works for me, you guys have fun

[Dan McKenzie]

Rod,
In hind sight I can see clearly that the wrong person won the Presidency. Not because he isn't capable, not because he doesn't care about America, not because of his stance on health care or really any other cause or concern. It's simply because his personality, his mere presence in office has polarized Americans. There are people far smarter than I who may understand why, it really doesn't matter. Maybe its the media, the far right telling everyone to be afraid, he's out to take your guns, he wants abortion centers in every high school. Maybe its the far left media who apparently aren't critical enough of him or his policies.

There hasn't been a reach accross the isle in decades, and there won't be one in the future at the rate things are going now.

Maybe we're a sunk ship, maybe this democracy has run its course and anarchy is around the corner. The divisions run very deep. Half the world believes humans have done enough damage to the ecosystem to start climate change, the other half believes we haven't done nearly enough.

it's old, the arguments are tired, and frankly most people are going to worry about what the can have an effect on, and screw the rest.

This board is basically a mirror of society, in the past 12 months I have not seen a single person change their beliefs or ideology, people have their feet planted firm, and even in the face of evidence contrary to their beliefs, they aren't going to change their minds.

Case in point, have you changed your mind about things? Are you likely to change your mind? No, and neither am I.

So long, I hope to catch up with you and the big kid sometime on the water, Stewart tells me you put him to work this summer. I hope your business stays strong.

Good luck.

[2ndsuks]

typical of the extremist right, answer a question with a question. Answer first and I'll be happy to show just what liars this group of Jerry Springer wannabes are. Otherwise don't bother me.

Disingenuous? You bunch of talk show junkies make me laugh.

Maybe disingenuous, maybe ignorance Dan.
You may not know the difference between a newsman and a commentator, if that is the case, my apologies however, if you can't back up your accusations with facts just come out and say so!