Twice today I have typed out replies to posts and then simply deleted them. They were not worth the effort to try and educate someone and put up with the negitive guys on this site.
I post (a little ) on several sites. This one is more negitive than any I've seen. Please don't get me wrong, I'm all about free speech and LESS GOVERNMENT.
Here are a few points of the top of my head.
It just sucks that many guys will not visit this site because it has so much negitivity. Also, many very good fishermen will lurk but rarely, if ever post.
It sucks that you even have to worry about, how you say something. So you don't get eaten alive. I could go on here but I think you get the point.
It sucks that so many guys slam tournament orgs here and don't even fish anyway.
It sucks that the orgs get slammed here over everything. Please call them and offer constructive ideas or give them your thoughts. Some will listen, others will not, then at least they get a chance to think on it and possibly make changes for the better.
It sucks that I have to even think about whether or not to slam a buddy on here. Personally KB and Hollywood should always be fair game. I can think of a few more but i'm after those two at the moment
I damn sure have NOT always followed the tips I listed here. One circuit did some things that really grated on me and I have said so here. I had several guys point out my negitivity with calls or PM's. My usual reply was "screw them", but it did hit home and after a little thinking on my part, I have tried to stay pretty dang positive.
I am hoping this post will get others to think a little, as I appreciated my PM's and calls. I believe most of us have heard the saying "If you don't have something good to say......................"
We need negitives pointed out. We need pissing matches at times to keep things interesting on forum boards. We damn sure are not going to agree on things and I'm not saying we should. It just seems that when something is posted, it's a race to see who can slam it first.
Also, BDO, Duckin Donuts, Sasquatch, and all my others don't faze me. Most are funny and/or have a good story behind them. But I am always careful about slamming guys, afraid it would be taken out of context. That's exacting what promted this post. I wanted to slam Hollywood but was afraid I'd offend others. I dang sure can't offend that PRICK
Okay where am I wrong? Don't forget the parts I "might" be right about too
KB don't write a book here, I beat you to it
Okay, I started this gun fight, I got my bullet proof vest on, fire away.
I think Ive deleted more posts then Ive posted lately. I agree with your thoughts on bashing tourney orgs. I prefer to talk to the director directly about my concerns or ideas. Some listen and some dont.
Personally I like the path Anglers Choice is on. It may not be perfect, but it is improving. They seem to be listening to the anglers and trying to provide what we have asked for.
Gary Dobyns wrote:Twice today I have typed out replies to posts and then simply deleted them. They were not worth the effort to try and educate someone and put up with the negitive guys on this site.
I post (a little ) on several sites. This one is more negitive than any I've seen. Please don't get me wrong, I'm all about free speech and LESS GOVERNMENT.
Here are a few points of the top of my head.
It just sucks that many guys will not visit this site because it has so much negitivity. Also, many very good fishermen will lurk but rarely, if ever post.
It sucks that you even have to worry about, how you say something. So you don't get eaten alive. I could go on here but I think you get the point.
It sucks that so many guys slam tournament orgs here and don't even fish anyway.
It sucks that the orgs get slammed here over everything. Please call them and offer constructive ideas or give them your thoughts. Some will listen, others will not, then at least they get a chance to think on it and possibly make changes for the better.
It sucks that I have to even think about whether or not to slam a buddy on here. Personally KB and Hollywood should always be fair game. I can think of a few more but i'm after those two at the moment
I damn sure have NOT always followed the tips I listed here. One circuit did some things that really grated on me and I have said so here. I had several guys point out my negitivity with calls or PM's. My usual reply was "screw them", but it did hit home and after a little thinking on my part, I have tried to stay pretty dang positive.
I am hoping this post will get others to think a little, as I appreciated my PM's and calls. I believe most of us have heard the saying "If you don't have something good to say......................"
We need negitives pointed out. We need pissing matches at times to keep things interesting on forum boards. We damn sure are not going to agree on things and I'm not saying we should. It just seems that when something is posted, it's a race to see who can slam it first.
Also, BDO, Duckin Donuts, Sasquatch, and all my others don't faze me. Most are funny and/or have a good story behind them. But I am always careful about slamming guys, afraid it would be taken out of context. That's exacting what promted this post. I wanted to slam Hollywood but was afraid I'd offend others. I dang sure can't offend that PRICK
Okay where am I wrong? Don't forget the parts I "might" be right about too
KB don't write a book here, I beat you to it
Okay, I started this gun fight, I got my bullet proof vest on, fire away.
I'm new here, but agree entirely with your post; especially the ones that I put in bold print. Too many people with way too much time on their hands. Get out and fish for cryin' out loud!
Seems like some guys break the forum rules and never get their hands slapped; while some break them in an effort to offer valuable insight or information only to get zapped.
I think Pringle would agree as well, but he quit posting long ago for these very same reasons.
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Gary Dobyns wrote:Twice today I have typed out replies to posts and then simply deleted them. They were not worth the effort to try and educate someone and put up with the negitive guys on this site.
I post (a little ) on several sites. This one is more negitive than any I've seen. Please don't get me wrong, I'm all about free speech and LESS GOVERNMENT.
Here are a few points of the top of my head.
It just sucks that many guys will not visit this site because it has so much negitivity. Also, many very good fishermen will lurk but rarely, if ever post.
It sucks that you even have to worry about, how you say something. So you don't get eaten alive. I could go on here but I think you get the point.
It sucks that so many guys slam tournament orgs here and don't even fish anyway.
It sucks that the orgs get slammed here over everything. Please call them and offer constructive ideas or give them your thoughts. Some will listen, others will not, then at least they get a chance to think on it and possibly make changes for the better.
It sucks that I have to even think about whether or not to slam a buddy on here. Personally KB and Hollywood should always be fair game. I can think of a few more but i'm after those two at the moment
I damn sure have NOT always followed the tips I listed here. One circuit did some things that really grated on me and I have said so here. I had several guys point out my negitivity with calls or PM's. My usual reply was "screw them", but it did hit home and after a little thinking on my part, I have tried to stay pretty dang positive.
I am hoping this post will get others to think a little, as I appreciated my PM's and calls. I believe most of us have heard the saying "If you don't have something good to say......................"
We need negitives pointed out. We need pissing matches at times to keep things interesting on forum boards. We damn sure are not going to agree on things and I'm not saying we should. It just seems that when something is posted, it's a race to see who can slam it first.
Also, BDO, Duckin Donuts, Sasquatch, and all my others don't faze me. Most are funny and/or have a good story behind them. But I am always careful about slamming guys, afraid it would be taken out of context. That's exacting what promted this post. I wanted to slam Hollywood but was afraid I'd offend others. I dang sure can't offend that PRICK
Okay where am I wrong? Don't forget the parts I "might" be right about too
KB don't write a book here, I beat you to it
Okay, I started this gun fight, I got my bullet proof vest on, fire away.
It's what sucks about the way people use the 'forum' and sometimes the reports. The rest of the 'site' is a safe haven from everything that goes on in here. Ain't no one slamming anyone in the articles, the radio, the video and so on. That's where the folks that work on the site put all their energies.
I guess my question to you Gary would be why feel need to ever 'slam' someone for any reasons in a place as public as this?
People do have a right to differing opinions. It's how those opinions are expressed that makes for either civil conversation and debate OR the opposite. A lot of these posters are like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hide when you meet them in person as opposed to how they post messages in forums. And keep in mind that there are some that post intentionally to degrade the forum experience for others.
I often ask folks to post what they wouldn't have reservations about saying to someone in person.
Wanna truly unique and sickly feeling? Try having to moderate the stuff that goes on in here.
Gary,
I agree with you 100%. I check out this site from time to time but rarely post because it is not worth the BS. Almost every post on this forum leads to a pissing contest or slam fest. I post on other forums and rarely see the negativity I find here.
Yes we do need a place to vent, but if you disagree with someones post. Deal with facts, actual events that took place not hearsay, be constructive with criticism. Give a solution, and idea or some type of option but do not be negative, becasue what you think is right, might be correct.
I know, before all the criticizers come out and do the dance they do and say "why are you complaining then?". But check it out I am not, like Gary all I am saying is be positive, give constructive critisizim, give options, ideas to do it better. Show the sponsers of this site that Western Bass Anglers are intelligent people with great ideas and potential. Teach new anglers how to be a better anglers, and that we love the sport.
sweetbass wrote:[
Doesn't that come with the territory of owning a website?
If someone came into your place of business and started cussing and/or running down everybody in sight, would that come with the territory of owning a business?
Gary is just talking about common civility and not the false bravado that comes with anonymity of the internet.
Tony is right if you wouldn't say it in public and to the persons face then zip it. If you would say it then go for it. Just be respectful and civil.
Tony to answer your question about Why I would slam ......... poor chioce of words, but when I talk of slamming someone on a public site, it's for fun. I would only "slam" buddies and in fun only. Anyone I would take a shot at would laugh. I would not do it in a demeaning manner except with KB and then he kills me for it I worry about the people that don't know me taking it wrong. I have probably screwed with Cooch more than anyone and I know he took it "right". As for Hollywood, I think I will just kick his butt next time I see him for my text message today
I am all about having fun when I "slam" someone, that's all it is. BTW, I have a bunch of PM's backing up this post. I know some won't agree with my thoughts, but many do.
Gary Dobyns wrote:Tony to answer your question about Why I would slam ......... poor chioce of words, but when I talk of slamming someone on a public site, it's for fun. I would only "slam" buddies and in fun only. Anyone I would take a shot at would laugh. I would not do it in a demeaning manner except with KB and then he kills me for it I worry about the people that don't know me taking it wrong. I have probably screwed with Cooch more than anyone and I know he took it "right". As for Hollywood, I think I will just kick his butt next time I see him for my text message today
I am all about having fun when I "slam" someone, that's all it is. BTW, I have a bunch of PM's backing up this post. I know some won't agree with my thoughts, but many do.
Bring it on buddy, you better bring more than those old man two fingers you use to type your rants with! See you next month!
If you were to take a bunch of feathers and place them in different locations and just wait a few minutes then go back to collect them it would difficult if not imposable. And if a person could collect them all it would take a long time to do. If a person would tread their words as feathers then their words would be more of a meaning to others.
Words are sharper then any sword and cut deeper then the strike of a sword and where the sword wound will heat the cuts of words last for every.
Once a word leave the tip of your tough (your key board and quoted) it is hard to bring back.
But then again there are some that are offend by a mere glance and don’t have confidence in their character to with stand disagreement.
sweetbass wrote:[
Doesn't that come with the territory of owning a website?
If someone came into your place of business and started cussing and/or running down everybody in sight, would that come with the territory of owning a business?
Gary is just talking about common civility and not the false bravado that comes with anonymity of the internet.
Tony is right if you wouldn't say it in public and to the persons face then zip it. If you would say it then go for it. Just be respectful and civil.
To reply in the order of the above mentioned statements/comments:
1. There's no lack of false bravado on this site.
2. I completely understand what Gary is trying to express. In fact, I just hung up with him on the phone.
3. I also completely understand Gary's concerns about being respectful on the net. It's called, "Netiquette". If people are going to use this site, they should read and understand the rules. No matter how many times people read the rules, there are a bazillion ways the rules can be interpreted by any given number of people who have read them.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, some people get punished for following the rules, and some people get all the laughs when they break the rules. What I believe I'm reading into Gary's concerns is that there is no consistency when it comes to following the rules.
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sTony wrote:
Wanna truly unique and sickly feeling? Try having to moderate the stuff that goes on in here.
sTony
Doesn't that come with the territory of owning a website?
No, actually there are a few "active" moderators, and only Tony is the website owner. Tony does a pretty good job of trying to let the actual moderators do the job, and for the most part the moderators try to let the forum membership self-moderate. I personally have placed myself on moderation time-out, just because of the challenges Tony mentioned. Tough balance to try to achieve.
And you're right Gary... I hear it all the time from other members and it does suck. Just seems to be the way it is mostly these days though... we've tried dealing with it, letting it ride, and either way someone isn't happy with the way it ends up.
Roger
EDIT: Oh, and by the way the moderators are volunteers here.
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I'm with Gary on this one. There have been alot of times where I to have wanted to comment on things but knew I would get slammed so I just keep my mouth shut. I had an issue in a tournament this year someone else posted on here and WOW did folks slam some of the people involved in it. I got PM's and calls telling me what I need to post on here and even called spineless for not posting what other thought i should have posted. I do think we need to hear the negatives on issues and other oppions and not slam people for posting them either way.
Do you guys think I am going to take a shot at Dobyns over this??? Well you see I will be with him tomorrow night in Colusa when we do the annual kids fishing derby seminar for the Westside Anglers club, this is our fourth year helping them, then I will be with him again on Wednesday at the F&G Town Hall Meeting at GF Marine.
You see when you lay Dobyns away on something you have to check your schedule to make sure you won't be with him for a week or so...by then he usually forgets about it and you gutted him online and got away with it.... in a week Richard will have pissed him off at least 14 times so that is my security blanket with dealing with Dobyns.
Now that rule only applies if you are his buddy....otherwise he never forgets, memory like an elephant!!!!
As far as Hollywood goes........if he wasn't a paying advertiser on Ultimate Bass I would have a clip full of ammo for him but.......he's a great guy!!!!!
Ricky knows I only have one way to get even with him....ribbit!!!!!!
I fall out of a boat and not one of you jackholes forgets it......I crawled back in, Dobyns goes for a swim and he needs an ambulance ride and 5 days at the John Muir Trama Center!!!
now who hasn't picked on Cuccia??? That my friends is one easy target. Stoltz is pretty easy too but he is like that tail wagging labrador in the back of a pickup truck.......he may just bite back!!!!
I am lucky enough to have one extra bullet....and a big one....if I am gonna lay ya away I am gonna do it on the airwaves!!!!! you may check the archives from this week if your last name is Venkus
yea I too have deleted a few posts, probably should have deleted a few more. Dobyns is fun but I would much rather screw with Kramer, Grover and Tripp!!!!!!! Now there is three window lickers on the short bus!!!! and speaking of the short bus.......hey Tobe!!!!
wb.com has a great deal of power and the funny thing is it could have even more....
Your buying dinner tomorrow night Dobyns!
kb
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Good idea Gary. Let's just keep our opinions to ourselves then we can continue to fish tournaments with less than full fields. Maybe we can even get some events down to 15 or 20 boats before the organizations figure out for themselves why nobody is showing up as we are not allowed to give constructive criticism.
Personally I feel that points like the ones guys made about the payback HELP organizations that want to listen. I do not see a problem with the A/C Open payback, as I look at that event in a different light. It does seem there are a lot of guys that have issues with the payback. What if nobody spoke up about their issue with the event and just didn't show up? Would that make things better?
I think not.
Personal attacks? Didn't really see any in the thread except your own. I do realize you were just busting your buddy's chops and that is OK. You can not make a personal attack on an organization. They are not persons. They are things. Businesses. Businesses that have an opportunity to adjust with the help of their customers within the format of these forums.
Imagine if every business had such a defined, focused group to utilize in providing a product their customers will buy. Might make a strong business environment. Overall I will bet there are more tournament fishing customers today than there were 15 years ago when we went through our last economic downturn. They are just spread over too many events. They are also fishing at a much higher pricepoint. Groups that are listening to the customer's opinion are gaining customers. Ones that ignore their customer's opinion and have tournaments where and when nobody can show are struggling.
If you think that WesternBass is negative, you need to open your eyes. I know of another Forum that truly is full of personal attacks. On top of that they have as much organization banging threads as WB ever thought of putting on the web. Actually it seems to be the clearing house for anybody that wants to bang an FLW, A/C or FuturePro event. I have seen people even state that they were on the other site because WB shut down their comments about a certain organization but were given the green light over there to bang away with their feelings about Mark, Vince or Charlie.
I guess what I am saying is I disagree that WesternBass is the problem with tournament fishing and that this site sucks. I think it is just the opposite. WesternBass, though it may have some faults, is far more open and helpful to the bass fishing community than any other site I am familiar with. If you have better, show us all the way.
kb wrote: That my friends is one easy target. Stoltz is pretty easy too but he is like that tail wagging labrador in the back of a pickup truck.......he may just bite back!!!!
I, too, don't say as much on the forum as I used to. I try to do as many truthful fishing reports as I can - in an educational way - hoping to help weekenders and pros alike. I tournament fished up until the early 90's, and even then, before our recent collapse of civility in society, trash talk and lies were increasing. Declining to give too much info at a weigh-in should be perfectly acceptable however. Don't get me wrong - a little joking around and a little razzing is fine. It just often gets out-of-hand. Honestly, too often I read some posts on the forum because I am always trying to learn from others. Many times the subject starts off well, then the kiddin' and jokes start and that's the end of anything useful in that thread. And of course there is the "keyboard mentality" - people saying things on a forum they would never say to a persons face. I know there are and will always be important issues to discuss concerning tournament fishing and tournament organizations. It is always possible to agree, disagree, and discuss issues in a respectful manner. I guess that is why I have always enjoyed speaking/teaching at the ISE and other shows and seminars. Speakers are always teaching and putting our best foot forward to the general public. After all - those folks are our future - are they not? Thank you Gary, sTony, Cooch, and Kent for all you've done for the educational part of the great sport of bass fishing!!
I am new and I am looking forward to a healthy exchange in this forum. I do respect the freedom of expression but then such right ends when the others right begins - that is when it becomes uncomfortable to read on.
Slamming may be a way of expressing feelings but among buddies maybe a more subtle term and way is 'banter'. In that way, no one would really feel being demeaned or humiliated.
KB we're used to you taking shots at us and we can take it.....everyone knows you speak the truth UNLESS your lips are moving and then we know you are full of SH--.........
Of course you wouldn't say anything bad about a paying sponsor like Hollywood, who by the way says you have the perfect face for radio.....
In the end I think Gary is right, the public bashing of tournament organizations, boat companies, rod manufacturers anything in the fishing industry, if we ALL would take the energy it takes to bash and turn into doing something POSITIVE for the industry we ALL would be better for it in the end......
sweetbass wrote:
Seems like some guys break the forum rules and never get their hands slapped; while some break them in an effort to offer valuable insight or information only to get zapped.
I think Pringle would agree as well, but he quit posting long ago for these very same reasons.
My goal as a moderator is to do my best NOT to Moderate at all, and that is my goal. Knowing alot of the guys on here either in person or just time spent on NCBF or Westernbass, one also gets a feel for those posters that are razzing each other and those that are attacking. The razzing has always been a part of the culture of this board for as long as I remember and will continue to be.
So there are times when a post is headed in a direction that I know is going to implode, but as a moderator I refrain and hope that the forum members will self moderate and keep an eye on it.
There is no white list of members that can get away with breaking the rules, heck I have moderated Tony and I have been moderated for good reason.
Gary's points are well taken and its refreshing to see the forum members take an active role on what they want this community to be. This place is all about contribution, for good or for bad, it is the individuals contributions that create the culture.
I have also made some great personal friends from this site, and fishing trips with total strangers only known as a screen name at one point; and now are close friends. Every community has rules, and its up to the community to check itself.
Damn...when I first read this I told myself I wasnt going to comment....but dat Gary he has dis way of gittn me fired up!
Gary Dobyns wrote:Robert F your post was as i figured it would be. You did not disappoint.
No problem Gary. You see, nobody is my idol and I am not trying to kiss tail to get "there". If any business wants a customer they should try and please if possible. If a customer doen't speak up they will not get the product they want on the shelf. If "everybody" asked for an event in Nor. Cal. to match the US Open is that not negative and whiney? Why can't everybody just fish the Open?
It is because they have an idea of an event they would spend their tournament dollars on. Look at the positves that are spawned by customer input. Better than people just walking away and not participating because the event has an issue that may be fixable.
Maybe the people that feel everybody is negative should consider their own closed mind attitudes?
sweetbass wrote:
Seems like some guys break the forum rules and never get their hands slapped; while some break them in an effort to offer valuable insight or information only to get zapped.
I think Pringle would agree as well, but he quit posting long ago for these very same reasons.
My goal as a moderator is to do my best NOT to Moderate at all, and that is my goal. Knowing alot of the guys on here either in person or just time spent on NCBF or Westernbass, one also gets a feel for those posters that are razzing each other and those that are attacking. The razzing has always been a part of the culture of this board for as long as I remember and will continue to be.
So there are times when a post is headed in a direction that I know is going to implode, but as a moderator I refrain and hope that the forum members will self moderate and keep an eye on it.
There is no white list of members that can get away with breaking the rules, heck I have moderated Tony and I have been moderated for good reason.
Gary's points are well taken and its refreshing to see the forum members take an active role on what they want this community to be. This place is all about contribution, for good or for bad, it is the individuals contributions that create the culture.
I have also made some great personal friends from this site, and fishing trips with total strangers only known as a screen name at one point; and now are close friends. Every community has rules, and its up to the community to check itself.
Damn...when I first read this I told myself I wasnt going to comment....but dat Gary he has dis way of gittn me fired up!
Ash,
With all due respect, as Gary implied, it's the new people who DON'T know the the difference between "razzing and attacking" that keep those people from posting. There are many cultures that exist on this site other than the "regulars" that do know the difference.
I am very thankful for this site in that I have bought two bass boats from the classifieds, and sold one as well. I have also bought and sold tackle and parts. I realize the Classified section is a totally different area. However, I never hear of anybody "razzing or attacking a seller". Why should it be any different on the main forum?
Here's a suggestion:
Create a new forum--Call it "The Vent" or "The Fizz", if you will. Call it whatever you want. This could be a place (same rules apply as the main forum) for what Gary referred to as the site as being "Negative". That way, the main Fishing Forum could be less intimidating for potential new users.
If your mindset is that of, "The razzing has always been a part of the culture of this board for as long as I remember and will continue to be", then I can honestly say that potentially, it will not be healthy for the future of the "Fishing Forum" site.
It IS NOT, this site that sucks, it is how certain people choose to use this site, the Forum in particular, and the comments they'll make here behind the safety net of their keyboard and fake name. All of the top, popular Bass Fishing sites around the world have this. Many of them have a lot heavier hand than we do. Those that don't experience this Gary, are the less frequented sites. Sites where these clowns know their cowardly attacks are not going to be seen or heard by the masses inflicting what damage they intently induce. Robert F, makes a number of excellent points in his post below, his "clearing house" reference is SO SPOT ON! It's like any other aspect in life, you Gary, know this all to well, when yer at the top, you got a target on yer back, and these cowardly folks are always taking cheap pot shots at ya in an effort to break you down. Man ta man, let's call the Spade a Spade.
It's the personall attacks, that are uncalled for. I for one, have been a proponant of dealing with these with a heavy hand ever since I first joined this website back in 95/96 when it was NCBF.COM. Unfortunately, over the years, it is those cowardly, posting lil pricks who go whining and cryin when one of their posts git ponged, that have swayed decissions not made by me to back off this type of handling within the Forums. Bottom line, I personally will only delete a post for one reason, and one reason only, the Boss tells me to do so. If they don't like it, tough shat! Unfotunately, in an attempt to be PC, my boss' would rather tie my hands in carrying out my duties as a moderator with this no nonsense way I think and feel, versus listening to all the whining lil peeps who complain about me and my heavy hand. Can't win, because now alot of the bullshat posts are allowed to remain, guys continue complain of all the negativity here. It's not the website my friend, it's the individuals and their mindsets used in postings! Again, let's call the spade a spade and point the finger at the root cause of the problem, the individuals.
This website started out and has always been directed as a place for comraderie, to have fun and to share info about the sport of bass fishing we love so much. As mentioned in another post, this Forum is just a small piece of this informational website, no other website brings so much info to the anglers in the various ways we do here at Westernbass.com. The content here, is second to none. This website also gives far more exposure to the individual anglers, who git it. No other website promotes the wide array of talent out west with videos, radio spots, written articles and such. Yet we will always take a beating for the crap that goes on with in the Forum, where it is the same individuals, over and over, who seem to be the "root cause" of the negativity that goes on in there.
In the beggining, the "ribbin' "(what you call "slamming"), was common and done in such a fashion that we all had fun with it. This ribbin" brought many of us closer as friends. Many of us still do rib each other here, including you and me. Heck, if it wasn't for you, KB, Theil & Tuna, I'd be having no fun in here with all the thin skinned souls who hang here now. There's a huge difference between "ribbin" and personal attacks. The individual, personal attacks, are uncalled for, PERIOD! Save that crap for the PMs, e-mail, telephone or the man to man, face to face confrontation if ya got the balls to handle it that way.
As far as posts, regarding the various companies through out this industry that take place here, it's healthy to get opinions, both good and bad, whether they are a sponsor or not. We, as a website, should not be impartial to negative opinions or experiences, nor should our sponsors feel that they should be treated differently if someone doesn't have a good experience with their product and posts their experience here. Sponsored or not, we must treat them all equally in this apsect. This should work in a WIN WIN situations for both the product provider and the Consumer. One gets to base his purchase choice based on pertinant info, the other can take those opinions and experiences, and better move to improve their customer relations and/or product lines.
Where guys cross the lines, are when they start the personal attacks towards the companies involved. Those types of posts are totally uncalled for, and I personally feel they should be deleted immediately. I personally could careless about all the whining these individual spineless lil pricks do after the fact. They know exactly what their intent was, I've been around longer than most, I know their intent too. If you have a problem with a specific company, here IS NOT the place to wage your battle with them. We as a website, should NEVER allow this type of practice. Be a man, go deal with the company one on one. There's way too much political bullshat that goes on within this industry.
For those individuals who are at the core of this, it serves them no purpose to exploit this here. Llil do they know, so many of our viewing audience, sees right through their ignorance and shananigans, and would applaud us going with a heavy hands policy to take this crap away from this site. You can't imagine how many people come up to me on a weekly basis and ask, "What is wrong with these clowns on Westernbass? They are ruining what is an awesome resource to the bassfishing community".
So there in lies the root cause of the problem Gary, it is indeed specific individuals, who's sole purpose here, is to create havoc and make Westernbass.COM look bad, in an effort to bring down the most succesful bass fishing website we have out here. It is these individuals who "SUCK" Gary, they've placed their cowardly target on our backs. They know exactly who they are, and who I am speaking at as I write this. This place is awesome, and I for one, still believe it can get better and we should get back to the practice of heavy handed moderation in regards to what we allow to be posted here and what we will not. It should be our decission to judge what is right and what is wrong when posting here, it's our friggen website. We ain't gonna miss you if ya have a post deleted and git pissed or moan and whine about it upon deaf ears.
This is just my personal opinion, based upon many more years hangin out on the Internet than the vast majority that come here today. I have no personal stake in the company. I am though involved with this site in many ways as a viewer, contributer, sponsor(Yes, Cooch's Fishing is indeed a paid advertiser) and part time, unpaid moderator of the Forums. As many here know, I'm not one to shy away from posting my opinions and thank you fer opening the door to post this one. It's something that's been needed to be said and discussed here for a long time.
I don't think yer wrong at all Gary, and in fact applaud you for bringing this up. Although, ya did modestly leave out the Injun Rain Dancer part! HAR! HAR! HAR!
The day fishing is no longer fun is the day I find something else to do.
I used to read about everything on this site and enjoyed doing so. Now I skim specifically looking for something enjoyable; i.e. something worth reading. Seems there is less and less that fits this category.
Remember the old Minnkota commercial where the guys complains that his arm was hurting from casting, and says if he makes one more cast his arm is going to fall off? Then the camera shows him make another cast and his arm goes sailing across the lake?
His partner turns and says; "Shut up and Fish, you Big Baby!"
Time for many of us to follow this advice. Go out and have fun, and if you must hate, do it privately when possible. Don't go public until all else fails.
Well said, as usual, Cooch.
Now we should reply to any post by one of these trouble makers with a post that simple says 'Spade'.
I think we need to police ourselves and not rely on the moderators to do that work.
It sure would be nice to have some of the good old lurkers get back into the mix. I know there are a bunch of them out there. They chime in every once in awhile, but most of them don't want to put up with the grief that can come with the simplest of posts.
Long live the Nut Cases.
- Wolfeman (Rick Wolfe)
"Don't take life too seriously. You're not getting out alive." Bugs Bunny
Hey Trip KB may have a face for radio but at he has a voice for newpaper.
Most of the guys I know that have left because we just got tired of the crap that gets spewed. There used to be a lot of quality advise posted but because of a few many have left. Unfortunately a lot of newbies lost out on some good advise because of it.
I wasn't going to post anything but I couldn't help taking a shot at KB he's so easy or at least that's what all the girls say.
Signed The Easter Bunny
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I try to bash my buds on here as much as possible, it makes me feel all good inside!
I'm sure there are a lot of people on here reading posts of people that appear to be bashing each other, but are merely just poking fun at a friend. As far as the bashing orgs, companies, etc. I myself don't do that. I will post that I won't fish an org, or use a product cause of the negative feed back I read on here. Some people take the net way to seriously!
g-man wrote:I try to bash my buds on here as much as possible, it makes me feel all good inside!
I'm sure there are a lot of people on here reading posts of people that appear to be bashing each other, but are merely just poking fun at a friend. As far as the bashing orgs, companies, etc. I myself don't do that. I will post that I won't fish an org, or use a product cause of the negative feed back I read on here. Some people take the net way to seriously!
What Gary, Cooch and John said.
I'm pretty sure that was part of the driving force for John's forum site. It's why I don't post much. Of course nobody probably misses me either.
Rippin friends is good ole fashioned fun. The personal attacks need to go!! There used to be some pretty good information posted on this site. Now it's mostly drama.
in a week Richard will have pissed him off at least 14 times so that is my security blanket with dealing with Dobyns.
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