Colorado river reported going into D.V.!

[Otay Michael]

While at Lake Skinner a couple of days ago, the ranger said that Diamond Valley was going to, or already is, getting water from the Colorado river! (You know, the one with the quaggas). My partner heard it and reported it to me. Skinner already has them, but they check your boat on the way out -that it's dry, so you don't take them elsewhere (kinda goofy- none of the lakes with them in San Diego do this, ie most if not all, don't do that). Guess it won't be long that they will start showing up in D.V., guess they are giving up in the name of getting water. Anyone else hear of this yet?

[Kevin]

Haven't heard about that Mike, but I did hear Tupac was sighted illegally fishing over the buoy line.

[mark poulson]

That's crazy if it's true, especially since there's so much NoCal water coming down the Aqueduct now that they're dumping it into the ocean.

[Mike Giusti]

I meet with MWd regularly and the only water going into DVL right now is coming from the Sacramento Delta. They are doing all they can to avoid putting Colorado River water into DVL because they know once they do it will become infested with quagga mussels.

[TEAMDEADMONEY]

Thanks for chiming in Giusti.... Im glad you nipped this thread in the bud before it gets rolling with rumors.

Oh and Kevin...Im not sure of that Tupac sighting...I personally think its BS because I saw him wake boarding at Perris the other day..
But I know for FACT that Biggie, Eazy-E and and Micheal Jackson met recently at DVL for some early summer Striper fishin and to come up with some ideas for their upcoming, soon to be released, East Coast/West Coast Gangster Rap/ Pop Album...

When I cruised by them I heard them singing - Eazy- "Cruisin down the lake in my 21 ft Ranger...we're 3 hard mother F'ers these Striper are in Danger"
Then Biggie started in as he hooked a big Cat ...singing..."I love it when I catch big Pa pa"...at that exact moment Micheal missed a bite and sang... "Ive been BIT by a smooth criminal...those Striper dont really care about us" ..

I SWEAR ITS TRUE....


Pete

[ash]

Haven't heard about that Mike, but I did hear Tupac was sighted illegally fishing over the buoy line.

The Notorious BIG was seen doing 70mph down the to the damn to put an end to Tupac's fishing

[Kevin]

[elfish16]

good lord pete! stick to your day job!!!!!!!!!

[TEAMDEADMONEY]

[Ray Coleman]

Hummmmm, im thinking maybe we should quarantine DVL boats for 2 weeks before they are allowed to launch here in Mead. Wouldn't want them contaminating our "new water". Ok, just kidding, im sure one week will work.

[Garrettt]

Dock talk owns us all!

[Bass Pro Shopper]

Colorado river water has been feeding DVL from when they started filling it to just a couple of years ago when quaggas were discovered in the river. Do you really think it doesn't have them? Maybe they did stop the flow before the muscles could reach it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does already have them, and that they're keeping it quiet.

[Mike Giusti]

There has not been ANY Colorado River water put into DVL since late 2005 and the mussels weren't found until 2007. MWD divers are at the lake every month and checking for mussels. By law they have to report them if they find them. Also, if the mussels were present the anglers would be getting them on the baits. Anyone who has fished a lake with mussels has either gotten them on their line or on a stick that they snagged on the bottom. NO MUSSELS IN DVL at this time.

[tbob]

Mike and the staff do an amazing job at dvl. But why isn't their a common inspection and boat tagging system in place between the major lakes and water districts. I realize that you likely want to control your own lake and what goes into it, but since water, boat, birds and potentially quagga mussels can pass from lake to lake this would seem to make sense not only for fishermen but for the water detracts.

A clean and dry boat inspection is fine and lowers the risk, but you would have much less concernl if the boat had a tag and you knew that it had only been in other clean lakes. In fact the tag could be signed and dated showing where it had been, giving you data to work with You could then focus your time better on the boats that are higher risk that came to the lake with no tags. This would be good for the fishermen and good for the lakes.

[Mike Giusti]

They are working on a common tagging and inspection system for DVL, Perris and Silverwood. Those are the lake which have good inspection protocols in place. Most other lakes don't want to put the money out to do inspections and so they aren't being included right now. I think they may also be tracking boat going to Skinner so they can make sure they have been out of the water long enough before being allowed into a lake that isn't infected. My understanding is the acceptance of inspections and tags from different lakes is close to becoming a reality.

[mark poulson]

They are working on a common tagging and inspection system for DVL, Perris and Silverwood. Those are the lake which have good inspection protocols in place. Most other lakes don't want to put the money out to do inspections and so they aren't being included right now. I think they may also be tracking boat going to Skinner so they can make sure they have been out of the water long enough before being allowed into a lake that isn't infected. My understanding is the acceptance of inspections and tags from different lakes is close to becoming a reality.

Mike,
That attitude by the other lakes is penny wise, pound foolish.
When you consider how much it will cost to deal with a mussel infestation in terms of maintaining the water delivery infrastucture, it's just plain stupid, and you can't fix stupid.
If the State doesn't mandate some kind of protocol that includes treatment of the bladders in wake boats, it's all a waste. The mussels will spread.
Drive thru dip tanks, where the boat and trailer are backed down into treated water that can be pumped through wake boat bladders, livewells, and with open bilge plugs, along with treating the bunks and trailers at the same time, is the only way they will truly stop the spread. Like farmers and ranchers do to stop hoof and mouth, and other animal pathogens, from spreading.
If every lake had a drive thru dip tank, and then cabled the boats once they got off, the whole state's water supplies would be protected.
Relying on half step measures, and people's honesty, is a recipe for disaster.

[Brian D.]

Stop making sense Mark.

[Mike Giusti]

I agree a state mandated control would probably be best but with the current budget I wouldn't hold my breath. Also, their is a concern over liability if the lake managers add something to a boat and it were to damage the bladder or other parts. Also, we can't control what Nevada and Arizona does or doesn't do and one of the biggest risks is boats coming back from Mead, Havasu and the River.

[mark poulson]

I figured the State is afraid they'd be responsible if a lake got infected after following their protocol.
They should be able to get around that.

How much damage can a vinegar and water solution do to anything? Just enough to make the PH toxic for the mussels.
If it might damage wake boat bladders, ban boats with bladders. The amount of revenue lost from those boats pales in comparison to the cost of a mussel invasion.

[CN]

I figured the State is afraid they'd be responsible if a lake got infected after following their protocol.
They should be able to get around that.

How much damage can a vinegar and water solution do to anything? Just enough to make the PH toxic for the mussels.
If it might damage wake boat bladders, ban boats with bladders. The amount of revenue lost from those boats pales in comparison to the cost of a mussel invasion.

Well now wait a second here Mark, first who pay's for this. Each boat or the County or Water District. I've asked this question before,how did they get into San Justo. As far as I know it's the only Lake this far north,which I call central California, that has been confirmed to have them. I live about 12 mile's from it and there were no boat's I ever saw that would have ballast tank's because it's electric motor only and small and WINDY.

Planted with Trout for year's and it was at one time planted with Bass. Well then word got out about some real nice fish being cought here and there were some over 15lbs. I know of and some reported over 18lbs. Doubt it's a Northern right! Well then you had to take turn's on any likley spot you saw. Did a bass boat bring them in or is it water from the Delta which is where this lake get's it's water thru San Luis which feed's the Aquaduct or a damn bird.

I dont really care about going thru an inspection,which I now have to at all but one lake I fish now,because my boat will pass as I'm sure your's and many will. It's the fact that I cant get on those lakes until 6:00 am that is what pisses me off and San Justo closed probably forever.

[Tin Can]

6am? I can't get on a lake around here until 8am! Anderson, Coyote, Calero, don't even let us in the gate until 8.

I have always wondered how in the world the mussels got into San Justo. What is the nearest state that has Zebra mussels? Did someone really trailer a boat from out of state to little tiny San Justo? Doubt it. It's far more likely that they are already in San Luis or the Delta where the water comes from. How long were they in the lake before we realized it? I can tell you that I personally fished San Justo a lot and also launched in many other lakes after fishing San Justo and my boat was never dry before all of this started. Why aren't they in more lakes in the area? If it's so easy for a boat to transfer them, they should be in every friggin lake around here. Has anyone EVER proven that there was an infestation ANYWHERE cause by a recreational boat? I really think it's a lot harder to transport these things that people think, otherwise we would have way more infested lakes. I seriously doubt there is that much risk from boats (bassboats) that are in the water for a short period of time.

[Kwin]

Um....San Justo has ZEBRA mussels, not quagga, lets not confuse the two. An isolated incident since they are no where else in the state or adjoining states as far as I know. Your guess is as good as anyone's as to the actual vector of infection/infestation. If they were in the delta/San Luis than every water south that is fed by the state water project would have them.....they do not. Similar to how quagga was transported from Mead-Mojave-Havasu-to socal.

[CN]

Tin I was referring to San Antonio and Nacimiento are now cabled off at the ramp until 6:00am if your lucky and yes the south bay lakes have been 8:00 am forever the mussles had nothing to do with that as you already knew.

And yes it was Zebras found it San Justo but it's the same damn thing. And San Luis has no inspections at all. I guess my point is an inspection is far better than complete closure of the lake. I to believe the chance of bass boats transporting these things are very remote

PS:Tin have you been taking advantage of the killer surf bite on the Stripers.

[tbob]

I am not at all suggesting that the water districts need even greater and more concerns about quagga's and zebra's or how to better control things. What I am suggesting is that they need a system that allows anglers ( us ) to go fish other clean lakes.

If it is trus that some lakes have inspection processes that are not up to DVL standards then perhaps we can find ways to change that. They will still need inspections at the lakes for boats new to the lake or comming from lakes not in the clean network, and perhaps the tagging process would come with a cost as an option. It should afterall get you into many lakes much quicker, and allow you to fish new waters recerationally and in touranemnts. So paying a fee annually, or until you leave the circuit and need a new tag would be worth something to many people.

If it isn't you just can go with the current system and wait in line and hope you pass the inspection. But I think not knowing if your boat can get into a lake has put a damper on guys fishing, and that is my concern. As is a guy who is tagged at DVL not wanting to go somewhere else because his tag will be opened, and it will be more of a question and problem going back to DVL. I am simply for anything which makes it easier for people to go fishing,

[Tin Can]

Tin I was referring to San Antonio and Nacimiento are now cabled off at the ramp until 6:00am if your lucky and yes the south bay lakes have been 8:00 am forever the mussles had nothing to do with that as you already knew.

And yes it was Zebras found it San Justo but it's the same damn thing. And San Luis has no inspections at all. I guess my point is an inspection is far better than complete closure of the lake. I to believe the chance of bass boats transporting these things are very remote

PS:Tin have you been taking advantage of the killer surf bite on the Stripers.

Oh I know the 8am launch time has nothing to do with mussels, I'm just complaining.

As far as the killer surf bite, it's not so killer if you ask me and I have been out a lot. I have been killing the perch and some big ones too, but hours and hours of chucking punkers, Pencils, Big Hammers have got me zero stripers so far. I'll be out again this weekend though. It's really just a matter of being on the right beach on the right day. There is just so much water and they are always on the move. I will run into them one of these times. At least I hope.

[CN]

Tin I was referring to San Antonio and Nacimiento are now cabled off at the ramp until 6:00am if your lucky and yes the south bay lakes have been 8:00 am forever the mussles had nothing to do with that as you already knew.

And yes it was Zebras found it San Justo but it's the same damn thing. And San Luis has no inspections at all. I guess my point is an inspection is far better than complete closure of the lake. I to believe the chance of bass boats transporting these things are very remote

PS:Tin have you been taking advantage of the killer surf bite on the Stripers.

Oh I know the 8am launch time has nothing to do with mussels, I'm just complaining.

As far as the killer surf bite, it's not so killer if you ask me and I have been out a lot. I have been killing the perch and some big ones too, but hours and hours of chucking punkers, Pencils, Big Hammers have got me zero stripers so far. I'll be out again this weekend though. It's really just a matter of being on the right beach on the right day. There is just so much water and they are always on the move. I will run into them one of these times. At least I hope.

The bite is after the sun goes down.

[Tin Can]

The only times I have been out is before the sun comes up and after it's down. Still nothing. I'm in Santa Cruz though, there has been more action south of me. I talk to all kind of guys when I'm out and it's "you should have been here yesterday" Just bad timing on my part. I'll get em though, there is plenty of time left. They'll be here all summer.