Driving business out.
Driving business out.
Just had a nice lady in yesterday to order a bunch of custom furniture. She told me they started an optics biz in California and built it up to a $20 million concern. They moved the business to Washington in 2005 and just sold it and are moving all their money to AZ. She said over-regulation and high taxes drove them out. If that was happening in 2005 then why has the state not figured out there is no future if all of the good industries move away? Of all things in this economy you know that starting and keeping businesses in your state is critical if you are to ever survive. Makes no sense to me.
Re: Driving business out.
Ringer, its been a long time since this state has made any sense maybe as far back as the sixties. Took a long time for democrats to ruin CA's economy and make it a social laughing stock, the other states actually see CA as a joke and fear Californians will relocate to their states. Now we can see those same forces working at the federal level taking the whole country down. It is a cancer.
Re: Driving business out.
Mises saw clearly what govt did if it intervened the least bit in the economy. It led to more and then to more, endlessly.
His book "Human Action" spells out the process beginning with the first necessity for humans to act based on the nature of what they are and what they face living in nature all the way to the destruction of society that IS the inevitable path of attempting to control it.
"Bureaucracy" is another work his of his showing the destruction of the wealth engine when incentives become more political than economic.
In a democracy bureaucracy and intervention must continue to be increased to gain votes. Period. And no part of it ever moves aside to make room for next big idea. They just ratcheted upwards towards an unworkable and merging one party system that does it's best to seem different from each other......everyone's a moderate now, which leads to........
"Socialism" is another work that focuses on how central planning of a complex economy is impossible to keep stable because the moment to moment, individual to individual spontaneous situations and necessary resolutions cannot happen under central direction. The price system is the naturally evolved mechanism and the only mechanism that can allocate resources in ways that continue to improve living condition across the board, some more than others admittedly but still wealth is created by the price system and destroyed by screwing with it.
The one party that has resulted from all of the "moderation" becomes desperate because capital consumption has been destroying living standards for decades, though many attempts to hide that fact have been successfully employed through monetary manipulation, labor gangs, protective tariffs, patents and outright brainwashing through media control.
But it can't go on forever and when the breaking point is reached mass controls must be put in place and enforced by govt tyrannical violence, a reign of terror, as people would not (and will not) abide by restrictions that will lead to them starving voluntarily.
And so beginning with the grand idea of everyone getting a vote we end up in a nightmare of totalitarian terror that makes the monarchs of old look like a much better idea.
Mises work exposed these truths but he never became an anarchist. His best student, Rothbard carried his work forward and his only logical conclusion was that ANY democratic govt was in its time at some point along that path between the seeming innocence of "we all get a vote now" to having a black market, out in the open of the corrupt officials because they know the planned economy has no chance of providing for people, and a facade of success that will blow over at the slightest wind, that WILL end up in soldiers being ordered to shoot their own people and (has been they case more often that not) most of those soldiers refusing and the regime collapses.
To be replaced by........another order of the same basic makeup that is merely on the new beginning of the very same path of the old one. New faces, new rules, new slogans.....same eventual outcome in probably 200-300 years.
That's why Rothbard saw all govt (or group rather) that was anything but COMPLETLY voluntary and easily and non-violently withdrawn from at any time as coercive, based on violence and illegitimate. This is what an anarchist is. Someone who cares deeply about the need for society to flourish and recognizes the systems that will destroy to the point of needing a major rebuilding.
That is what has infected CA, NY and is spreading like wildfire even among states that still have at least some say over fed power. But fed power continues to grow and those states will have NO say if (when) that growth runs its course. All the way to global proportions.
That is why I am an anarchist. The system cannot and will not be taken off of this inevitable path, no matter how you may skew it from side to side over the years it will run its course and the cycle will only be broken when the crisis (one of so many, over and over) comes at a point when enough people have realized that they do not need rulers to have a society.
His book "Human Action" spells out the process beginning with the first necessity for humans to act based on the nature of what they are and what they face living in nature all the way to the destruction of society that IS the inevitable path of attempting to control it.
"Bureaucracy" is another work his of his showing the destruction of the wealth engine when incentives become more political than economic.
In a democracy bureaucracy and intervention must continue to be increased to gain votes. Period. And no part of it ever moves aside to make room for next big idea. They just ratcheted upwards towards an unworkable and merging one party system that does it's best to seem different from each other......everyone's a moderate now, which leads to........
"Socialism" is another work that focuses on how central planning of a complex economy is impossible to keep stable because the moment to moment, individual to individual spontaneous situations and necessary resolutions cannot happen under central direction. The price system is the naturally evolved mechanism and the only mechanism that can allocate resources in ways that continue to improve living condition across the board, some more than others admittedly but still wealth is created by the price system and destroyed by screwing with it.
The one party that has resulted from all of the "moderation" becomes desperate because capital consumption has been destroying living standards for decades, though many attempts to hide that fact have been successfully employed through monetary manipulation, labor gangs, protective tariffs, patents and outright brainwashing through media control.
But it can't go on forever and when the breaking point is reached mass controls must be put in place and enforced by govt tyrannical violence, a reign of terror, as people would not (and will not) abide by restrictions that will lead to them starving voluntarily.
And so beginning with the grand idea of everyone getting a vote we end up in a nightmare of totalitarian terror that makes the monarchs of old look like a much better idea.
Mises work exposed these truths but he never became an anarchist. His best student, Rothbard carried his work forward and his only logical conclusion was that ANY democratic govt was in its time at some point along that path between the seeming innocence of "we all get a vote now" to having a black market, out in the open of the corrupt officials because they know the planned economy has no chance of providing for people, and a facade of success that will blow over at the slightest wind, that WILL end up in soldiers being ordered to shoot their own people and (has been they case more often that not) most of those soldiers refusing and the regime collapses.
To be replaced by........another order of the same basic makeup that is merely on the new beginning of the very same path of the old one. New faces, new rules, new slogans.....same eventual outcome in probably 200-300 years.
That's why Rothbard saw all govt (or group rather) that was anything but COMPLETLY voluntary and easily and non-violently withdrawn from at any time as coercive, based on violence and illegitimate. This is what an anarchist is. Someone who cares deeply about the need for society to flourish and recognizes the systems that will destroy to the point of needing a major rebuilding.
That is what has infected CA, NY and is spreading like wildfire even among states that still have at least some say over fed power. But fed power continues to grow and those states will have NO say if (when) that growth runs its course. All the way to global proportions.
That is why I am an anarchist. The system cannot and will not be taken off of this inevitable path, no matter how you may skew it from side to side over the years it will run its course and the cycle will only be broken when the crisis (one of so many, over and over) comes at a point when enough people have realized that they do not need rulers to have a society.
The great non sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State.
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Re: Driving business out.
For posterity.Vince E wrote:Mises saw clearly what govt did if it intervened the least bit in the economy. It led to more and then to more, endlessly.
His book "Human Action" spells out the process beginning with the first necessity for humans to act based on the nature of what they are and what they face living in nature all the way to the destruction of society that IS the inevitable path of attempting to control it.
"Bureaucracy" is another work his of his showing the destruction of the wealth engine when incentives become more political than economic.
In a democracy bureaucracy and intervention must continue to be increased to gain votes. Period. And no part of it ever moves aside to make room for next big idea. They just ratcheted upwards towards an unworkable and merging one party system that does it's best to seem different from each other......everyone's a moderate now, which leads to........
"Socialism" is another work that focuses on how central planning of a complex economy is impossible to keep stable because the moment to moment, individual to individual spontaneous situations and necessary resolutions cannot happen under central direction. The price system is the naturally evolved mechanism and the only mechanism that can allocate resources in ways that continue to improve living condition across the board, some more than others admittedly but still wealth is created by the price system and destroyed by screwing with it.
The one party that has resulted from all of the "moderation" becomes desperate because capital consumption has been destroying living standards for decades, though many attempts to hide that fact have been successfully employed through monetary manipulation, labor gangs, protective tariffs, patents and outright brainwashing through media control.
But it can't go on forever and when the breaking point is reached mass controls must be put in place and enforced by govt tyrannical violence, a reign of terror, as people would not (and will not) abide by restrictions that will lead to them starving voluntarily.
And so beginning with the grand idea of everyone getting a vote we end up in a nightmare of totalitarian terror that makes the monarchs of old look like a much better idea.
Mises work exposed these truths but he never became an anarchist. His best student, Rothbard carried his work forward and his only logical conclusion was that ANY democratic govt was in its time at some point along that path between the seeming innocence of "we all get a vote now" to having a black market, out in the open of the corrupt officials because they know the planned economy has no chance of providing for people, and a facade of success that will blow over at the slightest wind, that WILL end up in soldiers being ordered to shoot their own people and (has been they case more often that not) most of those soldiers refusing and the regime collapses.
To be replaced by........another order of the same basic makeup that is merely on the new beginning of the very same path of the old one. New faces, new rules, new slogans.....same eventual outcome in probably 200-300 years.
That's why Rothbard saw all govt (or group rather) that was anything but COMPLETLY voluntary and easily and non-violently withdrawn from at any time as coercive, based on violence and illegitimate. This is what an anarchist is. Someone who cares deeply about the need for society to flourish and recognizes the systems that will destroy to the point of needing a major rebuilding.
That is what has infected CA, NY and is spreading like wildfire even among states that still have at least some say over fed power. But fed power continues to grow and those states will have NO say if (when) that growth runs its course. All the way to global proportions.
That is why I am an anarchist. The system cannot and will not be taken off of this inevitable path, no matter how you may skew it from side to side over the years it will run its course and the cycle will only be broken when the crisis (one of so many, over and over) comes at a point when enough people have realized that they do not need rulers to have a society.
Morality- Right and wrong determined by God's laws.
Re: Driving business out.
I can't say I am an anarchist yet but I totally distrust our government and I am armed to the teeth and wear a tin foil hat but only on weekends. I do see the black market becoming a huge problem for the government here just like it has in Greece. When taxes are unfair people who own small businesses will begin giving cash discounts and hiding the money from the tax collectors if they are not able to relocate to a more tax friendly state. Just look at the huge barter groups springing up everywhere. We have one here that gives you credits based upon the retail value of your product or service to trade with other businesses, doctors, dentists etc. Same with the internet. States are trying to collect taxes on internet sales because people are shifting to that forum to save paying taxes. Kind of a death spiral for government. Not looking good for America right now.
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“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
Norman Thomas
"The difference between Democrats and Republicans is: Democrats have accepted some ideas of Socialism cheerfully, while Republicans have accepted them reluctantly"
Norman Thomas
You cannot take your eye off either party.
Norman Thomas
"The difference between Democrats and Republicans is: Democrats have accepted some ideas of Socialism cheerfully, while Republicans have accepted them reluctantly"
Norman Thomas
You cannot take your eye off either party.
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