100% BASS Announces Sweeping Changes 4 WRL & Team Fishin

[Phil]

Brian;
They all used to have off limits; and they all used to be great circuits; the 80's and early to mid 90's that I fished anyway.. Then came the new age of fishermen and new ideas and complaints, etc, etc, etc................since; has all changed, and not for the better I might add !

JIGS

[Mark Pollard]

I wish more tournament circutts would do lie detectors test to say the top 3-5. I know there is alot of cheaters out there. Frog tournament 2 weeks ago teams had a blue dot on there shield and they were throwing Brush Hogs. I know its off the subject, but I think they need it. Especially since the prize money is growing.

[g-man]

I wish more tournament circutts would do lie detectors test to say the top 3-5. I know there is alot of cheaters out there. Frog tournament 2 weeks ago teams had a blue dot on there shield and they were throwing Brush Hogs. I know its off the subject, but I think they need it. Especially since the prize money is growing.

Mark if you saw that ya shoulda found out who they were, and reported it. Not saying anything does us no justice.

[Mark Pollard]

I fished that day, Not in the Frog tour., but had friends that were, they went to get # off of boat and the team took off with out there life jacket on. They had a blue dot on wind shield, over by Lil Man Deville...Plus, look at the good Delta frog fisherman in the tournament, Bottom of list,Becuase they stuck to the rules, and others wack them like no tomorow. It wasn't even good frog weather. Makes you go HHHMMMMM.Should of check the fish before weigh'n to see how many Senko's they could find.

[VinceH]

Regarding off-limits-- This would never be an issue to have one in place. In fact I am sure that Korny would be in favor of them but he as well as other tournament orgs are strongheld when it comes to that issue. The fact is there are TOO MANY circuits out there period. If the anglers would stick with one or two ONLY, then the off limits shouldn't be too much of a challenge. Currently there is a tournament or should I say permits held out of every watrway every weekend. The guys that decide to fish FLW Series and want to participate are S.O.L. Because now they can't be on that water for a certain period of time. That KILLS any Pro-AM Trail that would like to hold one on the same body of water for not two weeks but three weekends possibly four.

Korny's team circuit paid back the best, but the truth is it never grew dramatically because there are too many circuits out here. How can he or any other tournament org deliver on a great payback without the participation. The anglers want their cake and want to eat it as well.

I don't want to get into the polygraph discussion either. At Korny's event their will be some administered. PERIOD. We can't worry about who is playing by the rules and who isn't. Mark, if you seen someone cheat then you are at fault for NOT getting the CF's and Names or just boat type color etc. and have them DQ'd. Those people will continue to do so until they are called out. You don't like people cheating, well then do something about it when you see something infringed.

Also guys remember that the CTT is not going to be for everyone. If there are people discussing price issues, break it down:

One day tournaments are already close to $300 per team w/ options. You still practice for them weeks in advance. You still make reservations to stay at hotels the night before. SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM. Here is a TWO DAY circuit where you are paying $500 per person. Based on 60 Boats --Guaranteed 1-4 payback. Guaranteed that you will get your entry fee if you finish in 15th place. Guaranteed you have a better chance of making money. Guaranteed your expenses will be the same except split between two people. Guaranteed AOY Money and Entry fees for next season.

Korny has worked extremely hard to make this happen. He worked just as hard to provide us with a team circuit that paid 100% back. Participation SUCKED and now it's gone. Let's not blame Korny for pulling out. And this CRAP that he is in TEXAS now doesn't hold water. Give me a break!! That's what tournament coordinators are for. It's cheaper for him to fly out here round trip than to drive from Grass Valley to McClure and back stay in a hotel for two days.

If we want this to work then we have to play!

Here is an even playing field where the advantage goes to no local ZIPCODE fisherman. The field is as equal as it can be. If you can cash you should be there.

Remember the guys that spend every weekend on a body of water close to home are spending much mor than $$500 a month for one TWO day tournament. Even when we win or cash, usually outside of 100%, the payback doesnt even come close to paying us back.

I hope you guys think about this one.

Vince

[Phil]

I vote for the old days of West Coats Bass to come back.........lie dectector tests, off limits, pure 80% payback in cash......once in awhile a raffle due to sponsor donations. West Coat Bass Classic ; Great TOC"S , top notch !! No complaints and cry baby issues like there seem to be alot of now !!! Just fish , get better , and get paid 1 in 5. 80 to 200 boats at every tournament, Every tournament at a different lake !! Come-on get it going Larry !!!!!!!!!!!

JIGS

[VinceH]

Jigs in a perfect world it would work. Back then there were not many circuits to fish. And if you recall, there were NO reginons like DELTA, MOTHERLODE, Wine.

For the most part when WB was the place to fish there were just schedules of lakes and Rivers. You couldn't be a zipcode fisherman then, and you never had to worry about additional circuits getting in the way or spreading out the participation.

If you really want that, then everyone should vote to participate in ONE ORG and circuit, and you will see all the rest go away, and then the paybacks will be better and the participation will be better and the sponsors will be better.

Vince

[longshot]

I being a tournament angler like traveling circuits due to the fact that it eliminates the "zipcode" fisherman IN THE long run. You are always going to have cherry pickers and thats just the way it is.
This circuit is too rich for me. Maybe one day when i feel like i am more competitive.
I feel bad for Mike as it seems that he won AOY at a time that there format changes. I hope that he gets done right and sure he will.
I HATE even the thought of cheating and if someone sees someone in the process of it then they are as guilty as the perpetrator if they turn there heads IMAO. Can you imagine the embarrassment of being caught in front of your competitors Not to mention being banned from tourny fishing WOW Thats a pretty balzy risk.
LS

[crawdaddy]

Vince,

I get what you are saying about the tournament orgs. not growing but the truth is there is a limit to all things. Ever wonder why a circuit averages 100+ boats but gets no bigger? Truth is there is not that many of us that do this, especially based on the population as a whole. Go drive I-95 or the Turnpike in Florida on a Sunday evening, you see rigs everywhere. Not so in California. Ideally there would be one or two tournament organizations, but we have many. Throw in the clubs and you start to really dilute the situation. I fished 2 circuits this year and part of a club schedule, and I fish less than many. Many guys fish more than that. Also the bigger an organization gets the more crap you hear about it. I don't know the reasoning for this but it seems to be true. And it didn't start with the internet; when I first started fishing tourneys you could here groups of guys bad mouthing other orgs while tossing back a few brews.

[VinceH]

Crawdaddy-

I have fished a few tournament in Texas, and i can tell you first Hand you are right! At Sam Rayburn I fished a team tournament with a friend of mine and there were over 170 boats. YES a team tournament. This happens all the time. the reason is they are not inflated with many tournament circuits. Bass n Bucks, Bass Champs and and I believe Media Bass. They do NOT have pro ams other than STREN, FLW, BAss weekend Series and Opens. No permit problems and EVERYONE plays.

I will NEVER say that this is the answer to our challenges out west, but lets face it. We as anglers better hurry up and support one maybe two circuits as a whole, or this will always be a losing game.

If you like fishing against 30 - 45 teams and payouts that never reach further than 9th place, and... when they do they don't even cover your expenses, then go at it. My investment is going to where it counts!

Here is the CTT Payout (1 -4 payout)

Each Event TOC
Place
Payback Payback
Based on 60 Boats based on 45 boats

1 10000 BASSCAT/Mercury
2 6000 10000
3 4000 6000
4 3200 4000
5 3000 3200
6 2800 3000
7 2600 2800
8 2400 2600
9 2200 2400
10 2000 2200
11 1800 2000
12 1600 1800
13 1300 1600
14 1100 1300
15 1000 1100
--------------- --------------
45000 44000
Plus $5000 to AOY

As for anglers of the year in 100% bass last season, yes it is unfortunate, however, I don't believe I would voice my frustration towards Korny on this forum, rather call him and discuss wether their might be a possible solution. Things happen that are out of our control. I feel for Mike and Bobby and others, but, dont air it out here pick up the phone.

There has been many "unfortunate" happenings in this industry. We can go back pretty far. Without mentioning names, but I remember tournament checks bouncing, boats not being delivered on time, people not being DQ'd, Circuits closing their doors.....the list goes on. If we want something to stay, we NEED to support them whichever they are and NOT spread out so much.

This year will hurt more than we can imagine. Do we really think that there will be 150 boat fields in Anglers Choice, West Coast Bass, WON Bass, STREN, FLW SERIES. This Poison will not taste good. How can the payouts be there without the participation. We need to PICK and STICK.

good luck


Vince

[ckraft]

its like fishing with bananas in the boat you never know whats going to happen next...................

[tunaman]

I would like to hear what some directors past experience was , i know that most everyone that i fish against i would trust them at their word that they were not on the lake .

Don't want to hijack the thread, so I will just say that last year ('07-'08 ) nearly all of the organizations down south unified and adopted off-limits for the trails down here based on input from the anglers. If you really want information on how they did or didn't work, call or PM Ray L. (Layerly), John Barron, or Brian Linehan and I'm sure they can fill you in - they are three of the best tournament directors we have down here and can provide enlightenment.

As far as the dilution of trails in relation to participation, that is also the case down here and it does appear to be having some affect of 'thinning the heard', although I'm not sure it is enough.

They did, however, start a new low-cost trail catering to those who aren't as proficient, to promote club-level, parent-child and husband-wife participation in an attempt to grow the sport. I think this new format will be a successful addition while not further diluting the fields for the regular events.

Roger

[SRV]

Time will tell how the new Tour will develop and grow. But, it will grow without any help from me. I'm not the caliber of fisherman this is targeting, and there is no WRL in my neck of the woods. Even the Top Stick Joes down south, while a good idea, would be another long distance circuit for us on the Central Coast.

Steve