$8500.00 to the winners at Melones??

[Sean Graf]

That is just plain awsome!!!

Congrats to the winners,

Sean Graf

[Guest]

Alex Niapas and Tom Schachton won over $9000 last month at the 100% BASS McClure event and backed it up with another win yesterday at the 100% BASS Melones event. There take for two events totals $17,580... and all this for a total of $600 in total entry fees and options. Special thanks to Shawn Redic at Modesto toyota for taking the time to Bring out a new 2007 Tundra and displaying it for all to see and admire. they are now available at Modesto Toyota World for your consumption.

Korny

[Mike]

$17580 in 2 tournaments??!! That is crazy!

I dont know these guys and in no way am I accusing anyone of cheating, but are you doing Polygraph test's? Or are you going to do them in the future?? With this kind of money out there, it wont be long before the less honest people jump into these.

It's just a question? Dont jump on me!!

[Mr Gambler]

Good post Mike I have been wondering the same thing. There has been cheating in the past for a lot less money. Mike Matthews

[Guest]

Tom Schachton is one the most respected anglers in the mother lode. He has been fishing tournaments for over 30 years. He at one time held the lake record for both bass and trout.
He owned the tackle store in angels camp and had many top finishes over the years at every level including PRO/AMs. I know your not accussing him of anything but simply saying his name in the same post is an insult.

I totally agree with you that lie detector test should be given and we are working on it. If you want to talk about them, start a thread and talk, but dont do it in the same post as you did.

korny

[MIKE TREMONT]

If someone asks a question and states that he is not doing anything more than asking if you're running the polygraph become an insult?
I don't know 99.9% of the folks on here, honest or dishonest. I appreciate the questions that get straight to the heart of the matter. I also appreciate your straight fowardness and that you will answer questions. Not everyone has the respect for one another around here AT TIMES (that is a disclaimer-AT TIMES things are a little self serving around here).
I think you are right Mike, with these great payouts-it MIGHT be tempting to someone to find a way in and steal from the honest folks.

[Guest]

Mike & Mike: while I have know Mike Andrews for many years and know he has a big heart and means no harm, but, It could be interpreted differently by others. More than one reputation has been damaged by mear accident. This is why I recommend starting a new thead about the subject and not lumping it into the post the way it was done. As a tournament director I get many calls on this issue and have had others defamed without cause. This is why I am so sensitive about the subject.

korny

[Mitch]

I think the polygraph test should be mandatory with this kind of payback. It's not to accuse or insult anyone, but to eliminate any doubt as to the possibility of dishonesty, and to stop all the question. I would gladly take one if it were me that won. Take it, pass it, end of question !!! Plus, if you know youre going to have to take one, the cheats will think twice about entering. I've always said this of Pro/Ams & TOC's, due to the amount of the payout and now the high payback on Team events are of suspect too. Anyone who would be adverse to taking one, should not be allowed to fish the event. It's not like there aren't those kind of people out there !!! I'm not accusing anyone, least of all Tom. I know Tom and have fished with him and have no doubt of his honesty and integrity. Just my opinion.

[Hollywood]

what good is a polygraph when there are people who know how to pass them and there are honest people who can't pass them? there is a reason they are not used in a court of law!

[cleb19]

Hollywood is right, when any test is orchestrated there are always the people that spend way to much time to figure out how to pass or beat the system, Lying and Cheating will eventually catch up to these people who are cheating and you know what they say Karma is a b@%^h

cleb

[Saechao]

i agree with hollywood, polygraphs arent 100% accuret. i dont know these to guys but it was wrong of mike to say that on this post. when it was really a post that was to congrat the winners. i like to say good job to Alex Niapas and Tom Schachton 2 tourny back to back thats a crazy thing to do one day imma win back to back hehehehe

[toadhunter]

Why do the haters need to come out and douse water on a HOT A$$ team? WHY? This is BS! I fish tournaments and know how much it costs both in time and money. IT is ALOT! This is not the thread to post this ridiculous kind of nosense. Props to the the both of you for being ON the fish and being intune with your pattern.

Tom Nieto

[Mike]

I dont know how much clearer I could have said that, I AN NOT INPLYING ANYTHING, I was just asking Korny a question. AGAIN, I dont know these guys, and have no reason to think anything about them. They are doing awesome!! $17k in 2 tournaments! More power to them. Nobody is "Hatin", You dont think I fish tournaments Toad?? I know whats involved.

Korny and I talked. SO GET OFF ME!

[Fishin' Dave]

You have to realize this Mike; guys fish hard out there and with today's competition level and the size of the fields for the two events, it would seem impossiable someone would win 2 in a row. So, the thought lies in the back of their minds about things being fair or unfair. Now, here comes someone to speak about the issue first (you) and now people feel they now have the balls to mention it too and start talking because someone broke the ice.

I understand what you were asking and the motive behind it. BUT, here on the keyboard, nobody knows the emotion behind what you are typing. It is best to call the TD and discuss in private as this issue is just WAY too hot for an internet forum.

[MIKE TREMONT]

Looks like you're pissed

Thanks for your response

I wish you would of responded

I think you have way to much time on your hands and should think of other ways to annoy people

No Dave, I think people know when there's an innuendo thrown out there

Good luck

[C-Bone]

First of all, GREAT JOB on those wins guys....

second thing: (breath deep) OK ...in regards to Mike..HE could have NOT been any clearer and I read the post as a DIRECT question to Korny regarding the FUTURE of these "high" payouts...he may have gotten off subject but in NO WAY did he defame, accuse, or in anyway imply that someone cheated.....

Now then.....one more time

GREAT JOB GUYS!!!

[Fishin' Dave]

HA! I just had to explain what "innuendo" was to someone the other day. They responded with "oh, one of those $5 words"

[BASSK9]

I am dismayed by the business practise of the tournament organizations. It is mostly cash with no public accounting and no reciepts. You enter a tournament: pay entry fee and all options and if you win an option pot you get some money. How much? How many people payed option money and was the option a 100% payback as we were led to believe? It is an all cash deal with no cash register tape or method of accounting. Every time I do business with an establishment and I see an open cash drawer I never go back. That business is evading taxes resulting in increased taxation for the rest of us. Do some tournament directors: skim option pots; rig the blast off order; and rig draws in Pro-Am shared weight events.
How to fix it: Add columns to the results print outs showing who entered each of the options and to whom the option money in total was distributed; Issue a reciept for all money paid in; Post a balance sheet for the tournament. Not one single regional tournament organization does this! NOT ONE! Don't tell me it is too much work or too hard! Accounting on this level is so simple that any idiot could do it and the time consumed miniscule. They all claim 100 or 90 or 80 or the best payback percentage and none show up with the numbers to back up the claim. Unless all option money is posted and accounted for no one knows the payback percentage except the director. If I were a director (1)I would post it all every time and (2) No one would ever wonder why certain people are in the last flight every time (3) All distributions to participants would be reported on an IRS form 1099.
If it walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck it is probably a Duck. All of these directors though a total lack of accountability to the participants and the IRS are acting very Duckish! I like Dobyns idea- Give the directors a polygraph!
BASSK9

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[BASSK9]

I neglected to add that most know I shoot Ducks. Just ask my neighbors.
BASSK9