on the latest Bass Master;
First off, it was an awesome fish ! A lake record at that ! The biggest Largemouth caught in any BASS tourney for 2005, and he caught it post spawn. Pretty amazing.......
.......but, it was only an 11-13. Now, I'm the first guy to understand that tournament fishing, and trophy fishing is two "totally" different things. But KVD also stated that this was his biggest bass ever, so I'm assuming that he means on "non-tournament" days as well.
Then, a couple years back, I met KVD, Zell Rowland, Mark Davis, and Jay Yelous, up at Clear Lk. All super nice guys, who showed nothing but class. While showing them my album, Kevin ribbed Jay, asking him when he had last caught one like that ? Jay said his biggest bass, tournament or fun fishing, was only a 10 and change.
I wonder how many BASS pro's have never caught a double digit at all ?
Again, I totally understand that catching the single biggest fish is not the goal of a tournament guy........ but wouldn't it at least be good for photo opportunities, for sponsors, and of course, just plain ol' bragging rights ? ....... and for guys at there level, it just seems to me, that it would be SOOO easy to go out a trip or two (to any one of dozens of Cali lakes) and stick a 12 to 14 lb'er.... or two. Put it this way, I think it would be a thousand times easier for these guys to catch a few giants, than it would be for me to win a BASS tourney !!!
BTW, a couple days after Kevin V. caught his 11-13 PB, I caught a 12.4 lb'er out of Berryessa, which was probably about my 25th largest. Mine was post spawn too.... and smack in the middle of a turnover, at that. Of course Kevin probably won like $100,000 or whatever (sorry, I didn't watch the final standings) while I didn't win squat :-l Oh well. Trophy bass fishing can be such a messed up addiction.
Peace,
Fish
PS, Also, I see that more and more tournament guys are catching there limit as quickly as possible, then switching up to swimbaits, while looking for that kicker. With that said, it seems to me that there would at least be a few more 12's and 13's being caught by the BASS pro's....... especially when they come out here to our West coast waters.... the best trophy bass waters on the planet .
About Kevin VanDam's 11-13.....
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Keep in mind Chris.....
You, as well as I and many other's know, it takes awhole lot different mindset in chasing tournament fish, versus catching fish over 10 pounds. Just look at Simentel and Long, yeah, they may catch a few really nice bruisers in the tournaments they fish, but how many fish over 10 are in that creel? Very few, if any, all due to timing and location as ya well know. KVD was born and raised in the great north west, just not a lot of lakes where he can catch 10 pounders up that way. As fer Jay Yelas, well, he moved away from California, before the big fish down south got big and plentiful. Sure, he calls Texas home, but how often does he git to fish those places, when he's not out on the trail or performing seminars.
These guys are all in a mindset to catch 5 pounders and below, anything over that is simply a bonus fish they take with gratitude. Hence many of them do not find themselves out looking for trophies in a tournament, mostly, because they truly lack the skill at doing so, hence their confidence level to search and catch said fish, is at the bottom of their tournament playbook. Toss in the fact they fish very few lakes with that type of quality bass, it's really no surprise that we see so few fish over 10 pounds in tournaments. The angler's, simply can't afford to spend an entire day or weekend targeting such fish, when the bites are so few between.
To the touring pro, the two pounder is the best thing going! If they catch a limit of two pounders, every day of every tournament in a season, they win Angler of the Year and git ta go to the Classic! That alone, far outweights any promotional value a picture of a 10 pounder might get them. Proof of that is Ikes excitement every time we see him catch one! LOL
These guys are all in a mindset to catch 5 pounders and below, anything over that is simply a bonus fish they take with gratitude. Hence many of them do not find themselves out looking for trophies in a tournament, mostly, because they truly lack the skill at doing so, hence their confidence level to search and catch said fish, is at the bottom of their tournament playbook. Toss in the fact they fish very few lakes with that type of quality bass, it's really no surprise that we see so few fish over 10 pounds in tournaments. The angler's, simply can't afford to spend an entire day or weekend targeting such fish, when the bites are so few between.
To the touring pro, the two pounder is the best thing going! If they catch a limit of two pounders, every day of every tournament in a season, they win Angler of the Year and git ta go to the Classic! That alone, far outweights any promotional value a picture of a 10 pounder might get them. Proof of that is Ikes excitement every time we see him catch one! LOL
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Jay Yelas actually lives about an hour away from me now. i know people that go to church with him.
the thing that sets us and pro fishermen apart is not their ability to catch large record setting fish, it is the ability to catch large amounts of decent sized fish while under the pressure of time, money, and 99 (or 49) other fishermen trying to do the same thing. i fish numerous tournaments and i find it difficult to just go out and fish and calm down so i can catch a limit. i too got to talk to kvd, gerald swindel, roland martin, jay yelas, and alton jones and all them. it is allot harder to compete at their level and the level of their competition than it is at the level that i fish on. they dont have any idea what the lake they fish on holds. they have never been to lake lewisville for any kind of bass event, and for them to come out and catch a lake record is phenomenal. when they come to an unfamiliar lake, their job is to find the fish, unlike us who have their home lakes and know many of the sweet spots. i spent some time talking to mike iaconelli. of course he yells and break dances and screams 'its a monster' whenever he pulls in a bass thats smaller than some i have thrown back. but those small fish might be the difference between 13th and 3rd. you guys saw that those fish put ike in first going into day 3. i watched kelly jordan and roland fish a spot where i use to fish before. they sure as hell fish that spot way differently than i ever had. they pulled in dink after dink, just trying to find a fish large enough to put in the livewell to make a difference at the scales.
lake fork here in texas is nationally known for producing 12-13# fish, i know people that come out here to my lake and pull out 13# bass. we have the share a lunker program that constantly help the large monsters that come out of Alan Henry or Fork or Sam Rayburn and what not. im sure there are lunkers out there in CA too and i know u guys love to boat a couple of them. but we shouldnt think that we are better than them just because we can pull out a bigger fish than they do.
the thing that sets us and pro fishermen apart is not their ability to catch large record setting fish, it is the ability to catch large amounts of decent sized fish while under the pressure of time, money, and 99 (or 49) other fishermen trying to do the same thing. i fish numerous tournaments and i find it difficult to just go out and fish and calm down so i can catch a limit. i too got to talk to kvd, gerald swindel, roland martin, jay yelas, and alton jones and all them. it is allot harder to compete at their level and the level of their competition than it is at the level that i fish on. they dont have any idea what the lake they fish on holds. they have never been to lake lewisville for any kind of bass event, and for them to come out and catch a lake record is phenomenal. when they come to an unfamiliar lake, their job is to find the fish, unlike us who have their home lakes and know many of the sweet spots. i spent some time talking to mike iaconelli. of course he yells and break dances and screams 'its a monster' whenever he pulls in a bass thats smaller than some i have thrown back. but those small fish might be the difference between 13th and 3rd. you guys saw that those fish put ike in first going into day 3. i watched kelly jordan and roland fish a spot where i use to fish before. they sure as hell fish that spot way differently than i ever had. they pulled in dink after dink, just trying to find a fish large enough to put in the livewell to make a difference at the scales.
lake fork here in texas is nationally known for producing 12-13# fish, i know people that come out here to my lake and pull out 13# bass. we have the share a lunker program that constantly help the large monsters that come out of Alan Henry or Fork or Sam Rayburn and what not. im sure there are lunkers out there in CA too and i know u guys love to boat a couple of them. but we shouldnt think that we are better than them just because we can pull out a bigger fish than they do.
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Thank you for the replies....
Ya' know MN, when I said that 12.4 from Berry last week was about my 25th largest, I was just taking a wild guess, off of the top of my head..... and then that had been bugging me ever since I said that. So I just went and counted, and talk about a lucky guess 
I have caught exactly 24 bass 'larger' than 12.4 lbs, with the 12.4 from Berry being a 5 way tie for 25th largest
Absolutely Cooch...... but then, you yourself have caught how many double digits during tourneys ? I still remember that 13 from last year, but don't remember what you caught it on. Would you say that you were using a 'numbers' technique, and just had a stroke of big fish luck ? Or had you actually switched to something you thought would increase your odds at a hog ?
Hello Baylor_PhiDelt, when you said > but we shouldnt think that we are better than them just because we can pull out a bigger fish than they do. < Oh don't worry...... I wouldn't even pretend that I could do the kind of fishing they do (tourneys) better than them ! Heck, I couldn't even compete at a local level...... mostly because I don't have a competitive bone in my body.
But then on the other hand, I do pretty decent at the kind of fishing I do..... Trophy hunting.
BTW, I sight-fished a 12.2 lb'er on my micro-light gear and a nightcrawler, at Berryessa today...... Too bad it had whiskers ! DOH ! .....and a 1 lb Bluegill. Better than a sharp stick in the eye, I guess
Great fishing to you guys,
Fish
I have caught exactly 24 bass 'larger' than 12.4 lbs, with the 12.4 from Berry being a 5 way tie for 25th largest Absolutely Cooch...... but then, you yourself have caught how many double digits during tourneys ? I still remember that 13 from last year, but don't remember what you caught it on. Would you say that you were using a 'numbers' technique, and just had a stroke of big fish luck ? Or had you actually switched to something you thought would increase your odds at a hog ?
Hello Baylor_PhiDelt, when you said > but we shouldnt think that we are better than them just because we can pull out a bigger fish than they do. < Oh don't worry...... I wouldn't even pretend that I could do the kind of fishing they do (tourneys) better than them ! Heck, I couldn't even compete at a local level...... mostly because I don't have a competitive bone in my body.
But then on the other hand, I do pretty decent at the kind of fishing I do..... Trophy hunting.
BTW, I sight-fished a 12.2 lb'er on my micro-light gear and a nightcrawler, at Berryessa today...... Too bad it had whiskers ! DOH !
.....and a 1 lb Bluegill. Better than a sharp stick in the eye, I guess Great fishing to you guys,
Fish
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Big Tournament Fish
I caught a few over 10 this year in two different tournaments...Har! 
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Quite honestly Chris...............
The torunament lakes that the touring Pros fish on through out this country, aren't squat compared to the fisheries we have here in California, plain and simple.
But take note of Seig's comment, the guys fishin our local ponds, typicall Don Pedro, ClearLake and the number one behemoth pond of all the Delta, you see 10 pounders caught ALL the time in tournaments out here. Over the last 4 years, from February to May, it ALWAYS takes a 10 pounder to git big fish on this river, ALWAYS my friend. The record that Mark Tyler owns at BASS, will not be broken outside of California. Tyler's a western guy who knew what he was doing on this pond.
And this goes back to what BP said above, these touring pros don't know these lakes as intimately as the locals or you and I. They don't know the locations of where the giants are always caught, they are only looking for decent numbers of average sized fish or slightly better.
As for that fish you referred to that I caught at Folsom a couple of Decembers back, I knew exactly where and what tie Tony and I had to be on a particular spot before we even had a shot at catching any of the hopeful kicker largemouth in that lake. I was very specific in telling sTony when and where. It was purty amazing to catch that big girl on my very first cast when we arrived. SAme thing happened in a WON tournament that I drew Ken Caseterri. I told him that by 10:00a, one of us was gonna catch a giant 10-12 pound buck. A client caught it a week before off a bed. I knew exactly where it spawned, and I knew exactly where it would herd the fry on the low tide. I fished it deep with a jig, had Ken toss a giant Senko on the tulles where the fry was, amazingly, he caught that buck on the first cast. It was just under 13 pounds I think.
My point is, if it wasn't for the intimate knowledge, experience and understanding of what those bigger fish do and where they live, I would have never known where to be when, to even have the chance at catching one during a tournament. These touring pros, just don't have that intimate knowledge of what, where, when and how best to catch em on a lake they mave have only fished once or twice in their lives prior to a tournament.
The Delta and ClearLake, are two exceptions. Rest assured, if those guys fished these two ponds every year, I'd be willing ta bet my complete array of Cameron rods, that California would soon own every damn record in the BASS and/or FLW record books. Just look what Seig did with a FOUR fish limit this past Spring at ClearLake!
It's a mentality brother, combined with the simple fact, the rest of the country does not have anywhere near the kind of fisheries we have right here. Certainly you'll never see a BASS or FLW event on Berry, Chabot, Coyote, Dixon, Casitas, Castaic or any of the other trophy ponds we have out here. Only time will tell, sure is exciting ta live in the land of Monster basses eh!
But take note of Seig's comment, the guys fishin our local ponds, typicall Don Pedro, ClearLake and the number one behemoth pond of all the Delta, you see 10 pounders caught ALL the time in tournaments out here. Over the last 4 years, from February to May, it ALWAYS takes a 10 pounder to git big fish on this river, ALWAYS my friend. The record that Mark Tyler owns at BASS, will not be broken outside of California. Tyler's a western guy who knew what he was doing on this pond.
And this goes back to what BP said above, these touring pros don't know these lakes as intimately as the locals or you and I. They don't know the locations of where the giants are always caught, they are only looking for decent numbers of average sized fish or slightly better.
As for that fish you referred to that I caught at Folsom a couple of Decembers back, I knew exactly where and what tie Tony and I had to be on a particular spot before we even had a shot at catching any of the hopeful kicker largemouth in that lake. I was very specific in telling sTony when and where. It was purty amazing to catch that big girl on my very first cast when we arrived. SAme thing happened in a WON tournament that I drew Ken Caseterri. I told him that by 10:00a, one of us was gonna catch a giant 10-12 pound buck. A client caught it a week before off a bed. I knew exactly where it spawned, and I knew exactly where it would herd the fry on the low tide. I fished it deep with a jig, had Ken toss a giant Senko on the tulles where the fry was, amazingly, he caught that buck on the first cast. It was just under 13 pounds I think.
My point is, if it wasn't for the intimate knowledge, experience and understanding of what those bigger fish do and where they live, I would have never known where to be when, to even have the chance at catching one during a tournament. These touring pros, just don't have that intimate knowledge of what, where, when and how best to catch em on a lake they mave have only fished once or twice in their lives prior to a tournament.
The Delta and ClearLake, are two exceptions. Rest assured, if those guys fished these two ponds every year, I'd be willing ta bet my complete array of Cameron rods, that California would soon own every damn record in the BASS and/or FLW record books. Just look what Seig did with a FOUR fish limit this past Spring at ClearLake!
It's a mentality brother, combined with the simple fact, the rest of the country does not have anywhere near the kind of fisheries we have right here. Certainly you'll never see a BASS or FLW event on Berry, Chabot, Coyote, Dixon, Casitas, Castaic or any of the other trophy ponds we have out here. Only time will tell, sure is exciting ta live in the land of Monster basses eh!
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Yes !
How lucky we are to live amongst the best big bass waters on the planet
......and yet, so few anglers take full advantage of this opportunity ??? Hmmmm.
I'm telling you guys, catching giant bass is 'easier' than tournament fishing...... and it's 'easier' to catch giant bass on artificial lures, than on 'live bait'
Peace,
Fish
......and yet, so few anglers take full advantage of this opportunity ??? Hmmmm.
I'm telling you guys, catching giant bass is 'easier' than tournament fishing...... and it's 'easier' to catch giant bass on artificial lures, than on 'live bait'
Peace,
Fish
Cannot resist!
I just have to jump in here because this is a great discussion from all sides.. Plus I have come from Texas where I fished all my early years and the last five were spent 10 minutes from Lewisville and an hour from Fork. I have fished both lakes hundreds of times.
Now that I have been here 6 years and fishing pro for the last 4 I have a good basis for comparison.
Where Texas and the South is the heart of bass fishing in the country, fishing in California is like getting to go to Disneyland. A ten pounder on Lewisville is rare but it has tons of 3-5 lb fish. We all know Fork is the stud lake but there are not many big tournaments there. But many lakes in Texas kick out 10-13 lb fish on a regular basis including some in tournaments. But it is just not anywhere near the numbers experienced here in California.
The Delta and Clear Lake alone produce bigger fish than most places in the country. But when you look down south in Cal they are a step above us up here. They live in bass fishing la-la land. The 12.2 that Fish Chris caught is nice but it would not even make some of the top 50 or top 100 lists of alot of the guys down south.
As far as competing in tournaments when you put 100 boats on the water all pre-fishing, and then pounding the water during a tournament it makes it super tough to get the bigger fish. Most big double-d fish come in prefish and not the tournament. Which makes sense considering the pressure.
Sometimes we tournament guys get some big ones. (Sieg comes to mind) as well as others. My biggest in a tournament this year was an 11.1 from Berryessa. But for the most part we are looking for the 3-5 lb fish to go for the win. In the South part of the country it is 2-3 lbers most of the time. Does it suprise me that the tour guys have not caught alot of really big fish in tournys, no. If Fish or any one of the other big fish guys lived anywhere other than Cali they would be happy to call a 12lber their biggest ever. Personally, I'll take clear water and huge fish in California over the stained water and big fish that the rest of the country has. We just have to realize that we are spoiled in California with how big the fish are.
As far a KVD and the new lake record caught during a tournament. He is probably the best Big Tournament angler in the country. (well maybe the Hack-attack is there as well) but for him to go onto a new body of water, dominate a tournament, win big money, and set the new lake record just show that his skill levels are beyond that of most people. Plus he is a really great person and represents our sport well.
I would bet that the average size of all the tournament anglers personal best fish and personal best tournament fish in California out-weigh any tounament guys in all the other states.
My point: We live in bass fishing la-la land and are lucky to have what we have. All the other guys in the country just have to work harder that we do for the big ones. Does that make us or them better, na.....just luckier.
God Bless Us...
SABP
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Now that I have been here 6 years and fishing pro for the last 4 I have a good basis for comparison.
Where Texas and the South is the heart of bass fishing in the country, fishing in California is like getting to go to Disneyland. A ten pounder on Lewisville is rare but it has tons of 3-5 lb fish. We all know Fork is the stud lake but there are not many big tournaments there. But many lakes in Texas kick out 10-13 lb fish on a regular basis including some in tournaments. But it is just not anywhere near the numbers experienced here in California.
The Delta and Clear Lake alone produce bigger fish than most places in the country. But when you look down south in Cal they are a step above us up here. They live in bass fishing la-la land. The 12.2 that Fish Chris caught is nice but it would not even make some of the top 50 or top 100 lists of alot of the guys down south.
As far as competing in tournaments when you put 100 boats on the water all pre-fishing, and then pounding the water during a tournament it makes it super tough to get the bigger fish. Most big double-d fish come in prefish and not the tournament. Which makes sense considering the pressure.
Sometimes we tournament guys get some big ones. (Sieg comes to mind) as well as others. My biggest in a tournament this year was an 11.1 from Berryessa. But for the most part we are looking for the 3-5 lb fish to go for the win. In the South part of the country it is 2-3 lbers most of the time. Does it suprise me that the tour guys have not caught alot of really big fish in tournys, no. If Fish or any one of the other big fish guys lived anywhere other than Cali they would be happy to call a 12lber their biggest ever. Personally, I'll take clear water and huge fish in California over the stained water and big fish that the rest of the country has. We just have to realize that we are spoiled in California with how big the fish are.
As far a KVD and the new lake record caught during a tournament. He is probably the best Big Tournament angler in the country. (well maybe the Hack-attack is there as well) but for him to go onto a new body of water, dominate a tournament, win big money, and set the new lake record just show that his skill levels are beyond that of most people. Plus he is a really great person and represents our sport well.
I would bet that the average size of all the tournament anglers personal best fish and personal best tournament fish in California out-weigh any tounament guys in all the other states.
My point: We live in bass fishing la-la land and are lucky to have what we have. All the other guys in the country just have to work harder that we do for the big ones. Does that make us or them better, na.....just luckier.
God Bless Us...
SABP
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I think most of those guys seriously don't care about catching big ones. They're fishing for money, and trying to target big ones only for a 3 or 4 day tournament is not going to win you much money where they fish. From a financial standpoint, they are better off spending their free time fishing for 2-3 pound fish because that's what makes money.
To put it in perspective, if you got paid to catch big bass, would you go to Oroville and try to catch 100 small fish in your spare time just to say you had a 100 fish day? Ok Chris, maybe you would just because you like the variety but I sure wouldn't. You couldn't pay me to go to Oroville. That's the same for these guys but in reverse. Them spending all day fishing for one big bass at a trophy lake is a waste of valuable time. I'm not saying these guys don't want to catch big bass, of course they do, but financially its a waste of time.
Luckily we live in Cailfornia where there are many lakes you can fish for big bass in tournaments and win money doing it The 4 fish limit in a lot of tournaments plays into that even more. And Cooch, I gotta disagree about them being hard to find. In the delta yes, in resevoirs no... its just not that hard to find big bass. In fact, usually the first trip to a new lake a trophy guy will do really well because the bass haven't seen their presentations before. Big bass learn fast and the first shot at a lake is usually your best shot. At Pablo my first trip I caught a 15.8. At Rancho my first trip I caught a 12.2. At Pedro, my second trip lifetime and my first trip in 5 years I caught a 13.4. I've heard many similar stories from other trophy guys. There's something about that first shot at any lake that just gives you a big advantage.
To put it in perspective, if you got paid to catch big bass, would you go to Oroville and try to catch 100 small fish in your spare time just to say you had a 100 fish day? Ok Chris, maybe you would just because you like the variety
but I sure wouldn't. You couldn't pay me to go to Oroville. That's the same for these guys but in reverse. Them spending all day fishing for one big bass at a trophy lake is a waste of valuable time. I'm not saying these guys don't want to catch big bass, of course they do, but financially its a waste of time. Luckily we live in Cailfornia where there are many lakes you can fish for big bass in tournaments and win money doing it
The 4 fish limit in a lot of tournaments plays into that even more. And Cooch, I gotta disagree about them being hard to find. In the delta yes, in resevoirs no... its just not that hard to find big bass. In fact, usually the first trip to a new lake a trophy guy will do really well because the bass haven't seen their presentations before. Big bass learn fast and the first shot at a lake is usually your best shot. At Pablo my first trip I caught a 15.8. At Rancho my first trip I caught a 12.2. At Pedro, my second trip lifetime and my first trip in 5 years I caught a 13.4. I've heard many similar stories from other trophy guys. There's something about that first shot at any lake that just gives you a big advantage.-
Cooch
Ya know Rob, I think......
we're saying the exact same thing here. For you and me, it's a relative term to say, "It's easy to catch big bass". Simply because, that is what we tend to focus on all the time. That does not hold true for the vast majority of bass anglers across this country, or more specifically, right here in California.
My case in point here would be say, lets take 100 anglers off this website, or any website for that matter, who have never caught a 10lb bass before. Let's go to Don Pedro, Castaic or Berryessa for 5 consecutive days. That's 500 angling days at 8 hours each or 4,000 angling hours. How many 10 pounders are those guys gonna catch during this period? Heck, how many fish over 7 do ya think they is gonna catch? I'd be willing ta bet, less than 2% could break into that 10 pounder club.
I stand by any statement where I might have said catching big bass is not easy. For the bass angling masses, it ain't, or we'd have everyone out there doing it and no need to have websites, videos, magazines and message boards all helping them to learn how to do it! I'd been bass fishing since I was 10 years old, I didn't catch my first 10 pounder until 1996(25+ years later), it happened to be a 14+ and is still my biggest fish to date. Since that time, there have been many. But I still say it ain't easy, even though I feel I have a better understanding of what those big fish do. I cetainly increase my odds and chances now, but it's far from easy to catch them.
My case in point here would be say, lets take 100 anglers off this website, or any website for that matter, who have never caught a 10lb bass before. Let's go to Don Pedro, Castaic or Berryessa for 5 consecutive days. That's 500 angling days at 8 hours each or 4,000 angling hours. How many 10 pounders are those guys gonna catch during this period? Heck, how many fish over 7 do ya think they is gonna catch? I'd be willing ta bet, less than 2% could break into that 10 pounder club.
I stand by any statement where I might have said catching big bass is not easy. For the bass angling masses, it ain't, or we'd have everyone out there doing it and no need to have websites, videos, magazines and message boards all helping them to learn how to do it! I'd been bass fishing since I was 10 years old, I didn't catch my first 10 pounder until 1996(25+ years later), it happened to be a 14+ and is still my biggest fish to date. Since that time, there have been many. But I still say it ain't easy, even though I feel I have a better understanding of what those big fish do. I cetainly increase my odds and chances now, but it's far from easy to catch them.
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