You know I gave it some thought and decided that if B.A.S.S. cant support the west with four of the best bass fishing venues in the U.S. then I cant support B.A.S.S.!
I will spend my money with the folks that support us and that is FLW and local publications like BassWest.
I believe that if everyone on the west coast would stop buying their products and mags then maybe they will re-work there finances and schedules to get the opens back out here.
There are ways to do this that would offer the anglers west of Texas a chance to compete for a classic birth and not affect the Elite guys if they don't come out for the western swing.
To tell you the truth the "Classic" is not even a true "World Championship" or "U.S." Championship for that matter anymore its more like a regional social group.
I think FLW promotes a true "World Championship" tournament with the Forest Wood Cup as they sponsor qualifying events throughout the nation and with dedication, lots of practice and experience you can make it to a World Championship caliber event.
I give my highest respect to the Elite west coast guys who travel thousands of miles and have taken up new residence in the southeast just so they can take part in the B.A.S.S. circuit; But they are just a few in the ten thousand anglers west of the Rockies who cannot make that journey.
B.A.S.S is a business! I support other business's who support my business and hobbies and B.A.S.S. had decided we are not worth the investment!
Anyway; I received my last B.A.S.S. mag and will be supporting the ones who support us!!
George
Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag.
Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
Made this move a few years ago for the exact same reasons. A "Regional Social Group" is the perfect description. BASS sees none of my $$$. And they don't seem to miss it, lol.
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jiggin4bass
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Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
Very simple no big sponsorships here in ca no host venues paying to bring them in means no b.a.s.s out west not hard to figure that out CA has nothing to offer them. 
Let see are the any big companyS willing to jump on board and put up major sponsorship too bring them here ANYBODY ????? 250 TO 350 THOUSAND DOLLARS PRE VENUE THEY'LL SHOW iTS ONLY BUSINESS 
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Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
Why can't you guys realize that B.A.S.S. isn't coming West not because they don't want to? The reason they haven't come here in a few years is because our municipalities DO NOT pay them the fees they agree to.
Stockton is bankrupt and has no money for such things and Lakeport - to my best understanding of the timing - has still not paid for the 2010 Elite visit.
They tried to come West in 2014, but couldn't find municipalities that wanted to pay to have them here; which footing some of the expenses for an event such as this is common for Chambers of Commerce. Happens with our regional circuits here too. Well, to be truthful, they found one that would play, but couldn't pull another one together to make it a two week swing; which it has to be to make it cost effective for the anglers and organization.
Instead of canceling subscriptions and calling any organization names or insinuating that one of the truly top end leagues in our sport is worthless; why not get involved and find out what we can do to encourage them to come.
Keep playing these kinds of games and there won't be anything of any substance on higher level for anyone to fish out here any longer.
DanO
Stockton is bankrupt and has no money for such things and Lakeport - to my best understanding of the timing - has still not paid for the 2010 Elite visit.
They tried to come West in 2014, but couldn't find municipalities that wanted to pay to have them here; which footing some of the expenses for an event such as this is common for Chambers of Commerce. Happens with our regional circuits here too. Well, to be truthful, they found one that would play, but couldn't pull another one together to make it a two week swing; which it has to be to make it cost effective for the anglers and organization.
Instead of canceling subscriptions and calling any organization names or insinuating that one of the truly top end leagues in our sport is worthless; why not get involved and find out what we can do to encourage them to come.
Keep playing these kinds of games and there won't be anything of any substance on higher level for anyone to fish out here any longer.
DanO
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Andy Lippert
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Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
+1 Well said, Dan. As has been said a million times before, BASS is a business, and because it is not PROFITABLE for them to come out West, BASS choose's not to---which I completely understand (for more reasons that just profitability, i.e. we're also the whiniest group of fisherman in the country, as is clearly evidenced on this website).DanO wrote:Why can't you guys realize that B.A.S.S. isn't coming West not because they don't want to? The reason they haven't come here in a few years is because our municipalities DO NOT pay them the fees they agree to.
Stockton is bankrupt and has no money for such things and Lakeport - to my best understanding of the timing - has still not paid for the 2010 Elite visit.
They tried to come West in 2014, but couldn't find municipalities that wanted to pay to have them here; which footing some of the expenses for an event such as this is common for Chambers of Commerce. Happens with our regional circuits here too. Well, to be truthful, they found one that would play, but couldn't pull another one together to make it a two week swing; which it has to be to make it cost effective for the anglers and organization.
Instead of canceling subscriptions and calling any organization names or insinuating that one of the truly top end leagues in our sport is worthless; why not get involved and find out what we can do to encourage them to come.
Keep playing these kinds of games and there won't be anything of any substance on higher level for anyone to fish out here any longer.
DanO
If you're canceling your subscription to BASS it should be because you don't like the content, or cannot afford it anymore---not because they don't make foolhardy business decisions to come out to a part of the country where they can't fill tournament fields or net positive revenue for doing so.
Andrew Lippert
Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
Ok, Who puts out the funds to bring these organizations to tournament venues and how much are they paying them? There is only one other player in this arena and that would be FLW! How come they come out and put on events here in California and the west coast in general?
Does FLW not seek municipality sponsorship, probably not in this economy because these cities don't have the money to put on these types of events due to the fact the draw and economic return on the community does not pencil out. But how can FLW do it? They don't seek a fee from the venue city or municipality!
So, now who sponsors the B.A.S.S. events; Lets see now:Auto & boat companies, engine companies, electronics companies, lube companies, BPS, Cabelas, lure companies, rod and reel companies, gas companies!! Don't we on the west coast spend the same hard earned cash with these businesses!
What I am saying is B.A.S.S. makes money from the west coast angler just like they make money from the the guys from the north, east, south; you and I alike! Why should we not have the same opportunities to at the least play in the game.
If you have a business and you do business with another company and when time comes for that other company to do business with you they go else where, are you still going to buy their products and support their business again; I'm not!
I respect Jerry Maginnis for what he has done in the fishing world over many, many years, but lets put it this way: if my brothers business who I do business with does not reciprocate and do business with me, I am still going to love my brother but I am sure not going to send my business his way.
Does B.A.S.S. owe me anything? Yes if I do business with them and buy their product and read their magazine that is paid for by ads that cover more than fifty percent of the pages from which I am going to see and buy products, its a business entity and that is how they make money!
This is my take on it, so "You scratch my back and Ill scratch yours"!
George
Does FLW not seek municipality sponsorship, probably not in this economy because these cities don't have the money to put on these types of events due to the fact the draw and economic return on the community does not pencil out. But how can FLW do it? They don't seek a fee from the venue city or municipality!
So, now who sponsors the B.A.S.S. events; Lets see now:Auto & boat companies, engine companies, electronics companies, lube companies, BPS, Cabelas, lure companies, rod and reel companies, gas companies!! Don't we on the west coast spend the same hard earned cash with these businesses!
What I am saying is B.A.S.S. makes money from the west coast angler just like they make money from the the guys from the north, east, south; you and I alike! Why should we not have the same opportunities to at the least play in the game.
If you have a business and you do business with another company and when time comes for that other company to do business with you they go else where, are you still going to buy their products and support their business again; I'm not!
I respect Jerry Maginnis for what he has done in the fishing world over many, many years, but lets put it this way: if my brothers business who I do business with does not reciprocate and do business with me, I am still going to love my brother but I am sure not going to send my business his way.
Does B.A.S.S. owe me anything? Yes if I do business with them and buy their product and read their magazine that is paid for by ads that cover more than fifty percent of the pages from which I am going to see and buy products, its a business entity and that is how they make money!
This is my take on it, so "You scratch my back and Ill scratch yours"!
George
Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
Well said, George. I am beginning to think FLW is the better organization. I have loved the Elites since they became the Elites, but their constant, major, rules/payoff changes hint of lack of direction. Hope they can decide on a format and stick to it. As is is, every winner needs an asterick to explain what rule they won under.
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Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
To Dan and Andrew Lippert; its guys like you that make this forum worth posting on! Thanks for the input...
But Andy We are the whiniest group on any forum because we have a sounding platform right here, I appreciate what Western Bass is a "forum, a place to add, discuss and vent about bass fishing" I don't see anyone from east of Texas posting on this subject because B.A.S.S. is in their part of the country and to tell you the truth I don't think that there are a lot of Western Bass type sites out there to have these discussions on.
I don't feel I am complaining at all but feel that I am letting B.A.S.S. know how one of their customers feels! I shared this information on the returned subscription form so that someone from B.A.S.S. might read it and respond or react somewhere to someone.
I am just one angler, but I know that if a few of us questioned there resolve in actually trying to bring the opens back to the west we might at the least get an answer, I also know that we have enough anglers just like me that If B.A.S.S. asked us how they could make it feasible to come out west we could come up with an answer or two; myself and others would be right in the middle of the discussion with my input and ideas and some of them may work.
We have hundreds of great anglers out here on the west coast; who deserve the chance to fish on a national and international stage and one of the few options for this was to fish the opens now they don't have that option. If B.A.S.S. is going to call themselves the "World Class" of bass fishing, then they had better allow the world a chance to participate and qualify for their "World Championship".
Its sounds funny now but when the opens were here on the west I truly felt that anyone of the pros had the same chance to try and qualify for the classic and we were all one of them; as Mr. Ray Scott named it: Bass Anglers Sportsman Society! I no longer think that!
I say this with great respect of the west coast guys like :Skeet, Ish, Jarod, Arron or any of the Elite guys who do travel thousands of miles to fish the Elite series events, I have met all of them and they are guys that decided to chase a dream and have all done well, we are all proud of em and wish we were one of them! They have worked hard to get where they have gotten!
George
But Andy We are the whiniest group on any forum because we have a sounding platform right here, I appreciate what Western Bass is a "forum, a place to add, discuss and vent about bass fishing" I don't see anyone from east of Texas posting on this subject because B.A.S.S. is in their part of the country and to tell you the truth I don't think that there are a lot of Western Bass type sites out there to have these discussions on.
I don't feel I am complaining at all but feel that I am letting B.A.S.S. know how one of their customers feels! I shared this information on the returned subscription form so that someone from B.A.S.S. might read it and respond or react somewhere to someone.
I am just one angler, but I know that if a few of us questioned there resolve in actually trying to bring the opens back to the west we might at the least get an answer, I also know that we have enough anglers just like me that If B.A.S.S. asked us how they could make it feasible to come out west we could come up with an answer or two; myself and others would be right in the middle of the discussion with my input and ideas and some of them may work.
We have hundreds of great anglers out here on the west coast; who deserve the chance to fish on a national and international stage and one of the few options for this was to fish the opens now they don't have that option. If B.A.S.S. is going to call themselves the "World Class" of bass fishing, then they had better allow the world a chance to participate and qualify for their "World Championship".
Its sounds funny now but when the opens were here on the west I truly felt that anyone of the pros had the same chance to try and qualify for the classic and we were all one of them; as Mr. Ray Scott named it: Bass Anglers Sportsman Society! I no longer think that!
I say this with great respect of the west coast guys like :Skeet, Ish, Jarod, Arron or any of the Elite guys who do travel thousands of miles to fish the Elite series events, I have met all of them and they are guys that decided to chase a dream and have all done well, we are all proud of em and wish we were one of them! They have worked hard to get where they have gotten!
George
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Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
I fished the last Delta Open in 2001.
Dub La Shot was telling Don Iovino that they didn't fill the field.
Don said, "Thats it.
They will never come back now....."
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Dub La Shot was telling Don Iovino that they didn't fill the field.
Don said, "Thats it.
They will never come back now....."
.02
"If you can't win, at LEAST catch the Big Fish!"
Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
The main reason to join BASS is to be part of a legacy organization that helped promote recreational bass fishing and conservation in the early days of the sport, not because of their present business endeavors. BASS is part of the lore of bass fishing and played a big part in instilling fisheries conservation in our mindset.
Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
I think different!
Ray Scott started B.A.S.S. because he was a money minded guy, he put on a tournament circuit and started producing the magazine because he found another avenue to make a profit, he than made a ton of money when he sold it to ESPN! Hats off too him!
ESPN could not make it go because it just was not profitable enough based on corporate bottom lines what their money could do if it were used elsewhere in the ESPN network; the stuff they know!
So, Jerry Maginnis and partners bought it from ESPN, I think the world of Mr Maginnis as a fisherman and someone who has given a lot back to the sport. I use to watch him on the "Fishing Hole" before Bill Dance, Hank Parker had their shows and he and his dog would show you the basics of fishing; bass, catfish, crappie or what ever! It was a fun and entertaining as well as informative program.
Now, B.A.S.S. has become a business entity that has to worry about the bottom line and I am sure that the decisions made in scheduling the west coast in are bottom line decisions.
But, if you run a circuit that proclaims to be the worlds best bass anglers fishing for a "World Championship" than you had better allow accesibility to everyone in the world and even more important make it so anyone who has the skill to fish at this level has the chance to fish the qualifying events.
The PGA has qualifying events across the U.S. and is open to anyone who has a handicap near zero and can pay $150.00 to play in the qualifier.
There is no reason that B.A.S.S. cannot run the same type regional qualifiers! Oh, they were and they were called Opens and now they have taken that away from anyone west of Texas!
So, my stance is this! If I buy the Bass Masters Magazine and support B.A.S.S. this is a magazine that promotes bass fishing, but more than that promotes products which are in ads that grace seventy five percent of the pages as well as dotted in each article by the pros who have won the Elite event by fishing XYZ baits on ABC line out of their Z123 Boats!
I use to buy the mags for the articles, but now most of what I get are ads and now I don't even get a chance to fish an Open event that could put me in a qualifying position to fish the classic; even though that be a chance in hell and a some what of a pipe dream it was there for everyone in the U.S.A. to at least shoot at.
Now I have made a business decision to not buy the products and support B.A.S.S. due to the fact that they are not going to support me, us, you and I on the west coast.
I am in no way affiliated with FLW but they offer the other side of the coin and a avenue for you and I to fish a world caliber circuit and qualify for what seems to be a true "National or World Championship".
I will do business with the business that supports me, plain and simple! That means if a vendor is sponsoring events that I am fishing I am going to try and buy their products; if they have a quality product that i need!
Nothing against the Maginnis group, they are a business, but on the same note that have made a decision that affects my fishing life/enjoyment and not make the opens accessible to me and the folks in the west. I have made the same decision to not support them, and though I am only one angler I took a stand for what is right for me!
George
Ray Scott started B.A.S.S. because he was a money minded guy, he put on a tournament circuit and started producing the magazine because he found another avenue to make a profit, he than made a ton of money when he sold it to ESPN! Hats off too him!
ESPN could not make it go because it just was not profitable enough based on corporate bottom lines what their money could do if it were used elsewhere in the ESPN network; the stuff they know!
So, Jerry Maginnis and partners bought it from ESPN, I think the world of Mr Maginnis as a fisherman and someone who has given a lot back to the sport. I use to watch him on the "Fishing Hole" before Bill Dance, Hank Parker had their shows and he and his dog would show you the basics of fishing; bass, catfish, crappie or what ever! It was a fun and entertaining as well as informative program.
Now, B.A.S.S. has become a business entity that has to worry about the bottom line and I am sure that the decisions made in scheduling the west coast in are bottom line decisions.
But, if you run a circuit that proclaims to be the worlds best bass anglers fishing for a "World Championship" than you had better allow accesibility to everyone in the world and even more important make it so anyone who has the skill to fish at this level has the chance to fish the qualifying events.
The PGA has qualifying events across the U.S. and is open to anyone who has a handicap near zero and can pay $150.00 to play in the qualifier.
There is no reason that B.A.S.S. cannot run the same type regional qualifiers! Oh, they were and they were called Opens and now they have taken that away from anyone west of Texas!
So, my stance is this! If I buy the Bass Masters Magazine and support B.A.S.S. this is a magazine that promotes bass fishing, but more than that promotes products which are in ads that grace seventy five percent of the pages as well as dotted in each article by the pros who have won the Elite event by fishing XYZ baits on ABC line out of their Z123 Boats!
I use to buy the mags for the articles, but now most of what I get are ads and now I don't even get a chance to fish an Open event that could put me in a qualifying position to fish the classic; even though that be a chance in hell and a some what of a pipe dream it was there for everyone in the U.S.A. to at least shoot at.
Now I have made a business decision to not buy the products and support B.A.S.S. due to the fact that they are not going to support me, us, you and I on the west coast.
I am in no way affiliated with FLW but they offer the other side of the coin and a avenue for you and I to fish a world caliber circuit and qualify for what seems to be a true "National or World Championship".
I will do business with the business that supports me, plain and simple! That means if a vendor is sponsoring events that I am fishing I am going to try and buy their products; if they have a quality product that i need!
Nothing against the Maginnis group, they are a business, but on the same note that have made a decision that affects my fishing life/enjoyment and not make the opens accessible to me and the folks in the west. I have made the same decision to not support them, and though I am only one angler I took a stand for what is right for me!
George
Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
You take it too personally. His name is McKinnis.
Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
Close enough, he probably cant spell my name either!
George
George
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Re: Just cancelled my subscription to BASS; Bass Masters Mag
Its a traveling road show if you dont pay them they wont show up it very simple. magazine or not when these big company here in calif want to shell out thr bucks to bring these orgs in they will show up bottom line for them is money show them the money business is business there staying because there getting more bang for there buck back east. So that where they stay. Whats funny is some big names in fishing here in ca tried to start a big tournament trail here in cailf and az but it didnt work because no big sponsors would jump on board now here come another let see how long they last verybody complains but nobody want too jump on board. its nothing personal to them its just business is all
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Eastman
Hensley
12.5 FSLMB Eastman Lake
12.9 FSLMB Eastman Lake
8.5 LMB Hensley lake
Home Of The Original Lions Collar Jig
Building and fishing custom bass jigs
since 1977
Madera Ca.
Favorite Lakes
Eastman
Hensley
12.5 FSLMB Eastman Lake
12.9 FSLMB Eastman Lake
8.5 LMB Hensley lake
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