Check this out. Major ramifications. Perris dug out to six times the volume. No island. Wow.
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stor ... 0141c.html
Terry
Perris supersized?
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Terry... the site is asking for us to sign in. Can you cut and paste it in the forum? Should be an interesting read.
Thanks!
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My house is down the street from that picture they have at the top. Thats funny stuff. Buy a house across the street from the lake and now they want to supersize it. I've got no problems with that....if only they could keep all the lake lice off...
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sounds crazy where would everyone go around their while the lake was shut down? i was out their on saunday and the bite was horrible i think the lower water is really gonna kill that lake i still think they should close it down and open matthews 
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Re: Perris supersized?
Amazing!
Be careful out there if you go to Perris, Someone ran aground at the dam this mornng in the fog. They didn't get hurt but could have very easily.
jb
Be careful out there if you go to Perris, Someone ran aground at the dam this mornng in the fog. They didn't get hurt but could have very easily.
jb
Can some one cut and paste the article in the thread?
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Stupid website!
The PE wants me to allow their cookies. Sorry.
I haven't read the article either. Mike was just giving me the highlights over the phone. Somebody cut and paste for us.
Terry
I haven't read the article either. Mike was just giving me the highlights over the phone. Somebody cut and paste for us.
Terry
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Terry please speak English I didnt understand a word you just said. 
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Someone ran aground because they were either goin to fast for the conditions or they werent using their graph...or both. I seen someone do that in a tournament and it took them 3 hours to dig out....not good.
The bite there is actually really good. If you find them its wide open. We whacked them but it wasnt until we found them. It was either feast or famine.
Pete
The bite there is actually really good. If you find them its wide open. We whacked them but it wasnt until we found them. It was either feast or famine.
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Re: Perris supersized?
Sounds great to me. A new challenge is always welcomed. However, it's kind of scary that the lake will be completely drained. There's a lot of history and huge fish in that place. I would hope that they would be transferred safely. Perhaps Hodges would be the best bet. DVL doesn't need any help.
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yea transfer that 20lber with one eye to pudingstone! just sux cause their is only 2 other real lakes silverwood and pudingstone within 60 miles of here that i can fish with no 4 stroke damm i wanna move up north
Re: Perris supersized?
Officials at Southern California's largest urban water supplier want to know if they can supersize Lake Perris when its dam undergoes seismic retrofitting by lowering the lakebed to hold nearly eight times more water.
The bold idea circulating at the Metropolitan Water District, still in its early stages, would require state approval and is years away at best.
But MWD Chairman Wes Bannister, who is among those championing the idea, said a larger, deeper lake would considerably boost the water reliability for a growing region by holding a ready reserve in case of drought or disaster.
The state would consider such a request by Metropolitan, which serves 18 million residents, said Lester Snow, director of the California Department of Water Resources, which owns the lake and its dam.
"If they are interested in it, we will certainly entertain discussion on that," Snow said in an interview. "I think it's possible but not without its difficulty."
If the project goes ahead, it could put a temporary halt to water recreation at the Inland region's most popular lake because it would likely require a complete draining of the lake to dig a deeper bottom.
Silvia Flores / The Press-Enterprise
The Villages of Avalon development in Perris is southwest of the Lake Perris dam in the background. Boosting the capacity of Lake Perris would increase the flood threat to communities beneath the dam, although the new structure would be built to current seismic standards.
And the larger lake, with as much as 326 billion gallons of water, would pose that much more of a flood threat downstream toward Lake Elsinore. However, the water would be held back by a stronger dam built to modern seismic standards, proponents say.
State engineers announced this summer that the lake's earthen dam could slump in a major earthquake because of weakness in its foundation. That finding recently was verified by an independent panel of experts. Metropolitan, in the meantime, has been drawing down the lake to a safe level.
Snow said his department soon will begin the long process of assessing repair options for the dam.
Bannister said his idea is to increase the lake's volume by lowering the lakebed and removing the island, where boaters picnic and hang out. On top of that, Bannister said, Metropolitan would finance the construction of an entirely new dam for an estimated $2 billion, the same price tag for Diamond Valley Lake, the agency's reservoir near Hemet.
How It Began
The supersizing idea began at Metropolitan with a memo by Bannister nearly three months ago but recently has gathered steam.
Some Metropolitan board members said they would support seeking state permission although the board has yet to schedule a vote on the issue.
Because Metropolitan is the only water supplier that draws from the lake, the agency may end up paying for costly repairs at the dam one way or another, said Dennis Underwood, the agency's chief executive officer.
"So consequently, if we're going to pay for it, we want to see if we can maximize the benefits. ... We'd be remiss if we didn't," Underwood said, noting that shoring up supplies would help in the event of a catastrophe along the lines of Hurricane Katrina.
Underwood said if such a project is found to be feasible, safe and cost-effective, "then we should pursue it."
Lake Perris, under normal conditions, is about 110 feet deep, holds 42 billion gallons and stores drinking water transported by aqueducts and pipelines from Northern California.
Illustration: Click to enlarge
The water then is piped into the regional supply lines for Southern California.
A much larger lake would create a potentially larger inundation area, said Phil McCormick, a Riverside County emergency services coordinator. However, he said, if a new dam is built to modern seismic standards it could play a larger role in preventing any flooding from occurring in the first place.
"If it's built similarly to Diamond Valley Lake, down to bedrock, from that perspective I would say it's a very positive move," McCormick said.
Recreationists might worry that Metropolitan, known for limiting recreation and body contact at its other reservoirs, Lake Skinner east of Temecula and Diamond Valley Lake, would impose the same restrictions at a new and improved Lake Perris.
"I'd have a concern about that, but I think they'd recognize the need for the recreational facility there. ... I just can't see them taking that away from the community," said Steven Soliz, 53, of San Bernardino.
His family often goes to the lake to wakeboard, a sport not allowed at the other reservoirs.
Bannister said he didn't think changes to recreation would be necessary.
He said gasoline free of MTBE, a suspected cancer-causing agent, already is required and has led to a significantly cleaner lake.
Ron Krueper, superintendent of Lake Perris State Recreation Area, said the state is committed to maintaining recreation. More than 1 million people swim, boat, fish and water ski on the lake each year.
"It's all speculation right now," he said.
Timing Right?
Bannister, the Metropolitan chairman, wrote in his July 26 memo to fellow directors that timing could be on the agency's side.
In his memo, he said he was informed that Lake Perris originally was designed to hold at least 1 million acre-feet, seven times its normal capacity and larger than Diamond Valley Lake. But he said he was told the lake was significantly reduced in size due to funding.
"If that is true and the ability to build it to that capacity still exists, it could be our second DVL," Bannister wrote.
"It would appear the timing is right if the will is there."
Diamond Valley Lake was built six years ago to hold a six-month backup supply for the region, Bannister said. Now, with the region's growth, it accounts for only a four-month supply, he said.
Similar Proposal
Increasing volume in an existing reservoir is not unheard of. It often is cheaper and quicker than building a new one.
The U.S. Bureau of Reclamation is determining if it's feasible to raise Shasta Dam in Northern California by 16 feet or more, so the reservoir could serve an additional 600,000 families each year.
Building a taller dam at Lake Perris could potentially flood out existing lakefront structures such as the supply store. So the idea is focusing more on carving out a deeper lake, said Metropolitan board member John "Terry" Mylne, of Riverside.
"There's a lot of controversy on how that would be done, but we would really like them (the state) to consider it," Mylne said.
Metropolitan board member Randy Record, who represents Perris-based Eastern Municipal Water District, said increasing the lake's volume is an enticing idea but engineers would have to determine if its feasible.
"I appreciate people thinking out of the box and let's shoot for the moon," he said.
"At a minimum I want it to be what it was, and if you can squeeze a little more storage, then fine."
The bold idea circulating at the Metropolitan Water District, still in its early stages, would require state approval and is years away at best.
But MWD Chairman Wes Bannister, who is among those championing the idea, said a larger, deeper lake would considerably boost the water reliability for a growing region by holding a ready reserve in case of drought or disaster.
The state would consider such a request by Metropolitan, which serves 18 million residents, said Lester Snow, director of the California Department of Water Resources, which owns the lake and its dam.
"If they are interested in it, we will certainly entertain discussion on that," Snow said in an interview. "I think it's possible but not without its difficulty."
If the project goes ahead, it could put a temporary halt to water recreation at the Inland region's most popular lake because it would likely require a complete draining of the lake to dig a deeper bottom.
Silvia Flores / The Press-Enterprise
The Villages of Avalon development in Perris is southwest of the Lake Perris dam in the background. Boosting the capacity of Lake Perris would increase the flood threat to communities beneath the dam, although the new structure would be built to current seismic standards.
And the larger lake, with as much as 326 billion gallons of water, would pose that much more of a flood threat downstream toward Lake Elsinore. However, the water would be held back by a stronger dam built to modern seismic standards, proponents say.
State engineers announced this summer that the lake's earthen dam could slump in a major earthquake because of weakness in its foundation. That finding recently was verified by an independent panel of experts. Metropolitan, in the meantime, has been drawing down the lake to a safe level.
Snow said his department soon will begin the long process of assessing repair options for the dam.
Bannister said his idea is to increase the lake's volume by lowering the lakebed and removing the island, where boaters picnic and hang out. On top of that, Bannister said, Metropolitan would finance the construction of an entirely new dam for an estimated $2 billion, the same price tag for Diamond Valley Lake, the agency's reservoir near Hemet.
How It Began
The supersizing idea began at Metropolitan with a memo by Bannister nearly three months ago but recently has gathered steam.
Some Metropolitan board members said they would support seeking state permission although the board has yet to schedule a vote on the issue.
Because Metropolitan is the only water supplier that draws from the lake, the agency may end up paying for costly repairs at the dam one way or another, said Dennis Underwood, the agency's chief executive officer.
"So consequently, if we're going to pay for it, we want to see if we can maximize the benefits. ... We'd be remiss if we didn't," Underwood said, noting that shoring up supplies would help in the event of a catastrophe along the lines of Hurricane Katrina.
Underwood said if such a project is found to be feasible, safe and cost-effective, "then we should pursue it."
Lake Perris, under normal conditions, is about 110 feet deep, holds 42 billion gallons and stores drinking water transported by aqueducts and pipelines from Northern California.
Illustration: Click to enlarge
The water then is piped into the regional supply lines for Southern California.
A much larger lake would create a potentially larger inundation area, said Phil McCormick, a Riverside County emergency services coordinator. However, he said, if a new dam is built to modern seismic standards it could play a larger role in preventing any flooding from occurring in the first place.
"If it's built similarly to Diamond Valley Lake, down to bedrock, from that perspective I would say it's a very positive move," McCormick said.
Recreationists might worry that Metropolitan, known for limiting recreation and body contact at its other reservoirs, Lake Skinner east of Temecula and Diamond Valley Lake, would impose the same restrictions at a new and improved Lake Perris.
"I'd have a concern about that, but I think they'd recognize the need for the recreational facility there. ... I just can't see them taking that away from the community," said Steven Soliz, 53, of San Bernardino.
His family often goes to the lake to wakeboard, a sport not allowed at the other reservoirs.
Bannister said he didn't think changes to recreation would be necessary.
He said gasoline free of MTBE, a suspected cancer-causing agent, already is required and has led to a significantly cleaner lake.
Ron Krueper, superintendent of Lake Perris State Recreation Area, said the state is committed to maintaining recreation. More than 1 million people swim, boat, fish and water ski on the lake each year.
"It's all speculation right now," he said.
Timing Right?
Bannister, the Metropolitan chairman, wrote in his July 26 memo to fellow directors that timing could be on the agency's side.
In his memo, he said he was informed that Lake Perris originally was designed to hold at least 1 million acre-feet, seven times its normal capacity and larger than Diamond Valley Lake. But he said he was told the lake was significantly reduced in size due to funding.
"If that is true and the ability to build it to that capacity still exists, it could be our second DVL," Bannister wrote.
"It would appear the timing is right if the will is there."
Diamond Valley Lake was built six years ago to hold a six-month backup supply for the region, Bannister said. Now, with the region's growth, it accounts for only a four-month supply, he said.
Similar Proposal
Increasing volume in an existing reservoir is not unheard of. It often is cheaper and quicker than building a new one.
The U.S. Bureau of Reclamation is determining if it's feasible to raise Shasta Dam in Northern California by 16 feet or more, so the reservoir could serve an additional 600,000 families each year.
Building a taller dam at Lake Perris could potentially flood out existing lakefront structures such as the supply store. So the idea is focusing more on carving out a deeper lake, said Metropolitan board member John "Terry" Mylne, of Riverside.
"There's a lot of controversy on how that would be done, but we would really like them (the state) to consider it," Mylne said.
Metropolitan board member Randy Record, who represents Perris-based Eastern Municipal Water District, said increasing the lake's volume is an enticing idea but engineers would have to determine if its feasible.
"I appreciate people thinking out of the box and let's shoot for the moon," he said.
"At a minimum I want it to be what it was, and if you can squeeze a little more storage, then fine."
If this happens its all bad for Anglers
I see them as taking the lake down to DLV and Skinner regulations. The Island will be gone that takes out 6 of the ten fishing spots Perris does have on it.
Imagine the recreational usage of the lake without an island to go circles around, or a place that breaks up the wind as it comes across the lake.
Looking into the future if Metro Water is leading this effort, I would look at their historical record of screwing off recreation in any effort.
Good Luck guys, something tells me your in for a fight down there within the next 5 years.
Imagine the recreational usage of the lake without an island to go circles around, or a place that breaks up the wind as it comes across the lake.
Looking into the future if Metro Water is leading this effort, I would look at their historical record of screwing off recreation in any effort.
Good Luck guys, something tells me your in for a fight down there within the next 5 years.
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Re: If this happens its all bad for Anglers
HH,
I think it's kind of more a short term-long term deal. If the dam is "unsafe" and they're going to spend X number of dollars to fix it, then maybe it does make sense to spend enough to put in a newer, safer dam with more capacity. That would make the people below the dam safer, and the capacity would give us all more water in the future.
Short term, it sucks for fishermen. Long term, another DVL might be great. With additional water depth and increased area, maybe smallies????
I have about as much faith as you do in the ability of the bureacracy to screw things up, but I would trust a new dam design more than a "fix" that might not see other hidden flaws. Or cost just as much or more than a new dam.
I think it's kind of more a short term-long term deal. If the dam is "unsafe" and they're going to spend X number of dollars to fix it, then maybe it does make sense to spend enough to put in a newer, safer dam with more capacity. That would make the people below the dam safer, and the capacity would give us all more water in the future.
Short term, it sucks for fishermen. Long term, another DVL might be great. With additional water depth and increased area, maybe smallies????
I have about as much faith as you do in the ability of the bureacracy to screw things up, but I would trust a new dam design more than a "fix" that might not see other hidden flaws. Or cost just as much or more than a new dam.
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Re: If this happens its all bad for Anglers
I think they are almost forced with building a new dam. The existing damn may be fine if retrofitted/refurbished but if they are going to spend an insane amount of money to fix why not spend an insane amount of money to build a whole new dam?
Draining the lake would be a big blow to the lake. Having no where to hide from the wind by taking out the island would also be a big blow to the fishing on the lake. Its going to be years before this gets done. At least we have a DVL nearby to get to during the process.
Draining the lake would be a big blow to the lake. Having no where to hide from the wind by taking out the island would also be a big blow to the fishing on the lake. Its going to be years before this gets done. At least we have a DVL nearby to get to during the process.
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Pete,
I will if you tell me how you and Guy did the big comeback on Saturday... I start the Colorado River Region teams this weekend.
I wasn't able to copy the article because the pe website wouldn't let me register. I have anti-spyware and they wanted me to accept their spyware so they could spam me. Not happenin'.
Sorry for the Alternate English.
Terry
I will if you tell me how you and Guy did the big comeback on Saturday... I start the Colorado River Region teams this weekend.
I wasn't able to copy the article because the pe website wouldn't let me register. I have anti-spyware and they wanted me to accept their spyware so they could spam me. Not happenin'.
Sorry for the Alternate English.
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