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The record was set in 1990 at 17.52 lbs. that was 17 tears ago , I have not heard of anything close to this in the last 3 to 4 years sense I started fishing . I hear of 12 - 13 lbs. as huge fish now , what has changed , why nothing close to the record ? Is the lake over fished ?
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WE BELIEVE THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, WHAT LAKE IN CALIFORNIA TODAY IS NOT OVERFISHED AT SOME TIME
OF THE YEAR.

SOMEONE IN CALIFORNIA IS MAKING A TON OF MONEY ON OUR NAUTRAL RESOURCES!!

WE LIVED CLOSE TO CLEARLAKE THAT YEAR THAT IS WAS CAUGHT, AND YOU COULD STILL CATCH & RELEASE 100 BASS A DAY, POSSIBLE, ON A GOOD OLD BUZZBAIT OR MISTER TWISTER WORMS !

NOW ??

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Let me give you my observation for what ever it's worth. All lakes go thru ups and down. Lake Castaic hasn't turned out any 20 lbrs in the last 10 yrs either. Factors to consider are: Drought, excessive rain, extream cold, extream heat, ect. All of which affect the spawn adversly. Don't get me wrong, heavey fishing will affect the lake also, especialy those who take the BIG fish home. Catch and release helps tremendously and will keep the lake stocked, but, there are many other factors to consider too. Even lakes like El Salto go thru periiods for years of decline, then bounce back. Casitus is on an upswing, as is Pedro, Berryessa, Mclure, and Melones. Care of the fish in a tournament and lack of dead fish at the weigh in are someting that TD's and competors need to work at to keep these fisheries in good condition. Look at the fish coming out of the Delta in the last few months. Now if we could just get Millerton to come back !!!!
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I'm sure there will be other theories on this subject but I believe that the decline of Florida strain genes may be a factor.

Given the overwhelming differential in numbers of Northern vs. Florida strain at the time the Florida's were introduced and the lack of Florida strain planting to maintain the gene pool, it would seem reasonable the population of bass in Clear Lake may be reverting back to a stronger Northern influence.

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Re:Any good way to tell the different between the 2?

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How does one tell a Florida strain vs the Northern strain?

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There is NO doubt in my mind that Clear Lake has a fish over 20 pounds in it. I know were she lives and she avoids me everytime I visit the lake.

The same is true for the Delta.

The world record will be broken in the next 5-10 years from a CA body of water.
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Millerton to come back??!!! Haaa!!! Good one Mitch!!! ROTFLMOA!! :lol: :lol:
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it would seem reasonable the population of bass in Clear Lake may be reverting back to a stronger Northern influence.
I believe that you hit that one right on the head Tobe.

As far as Castaic Lake goes, I can sum that up in one word - stripers. The declining big bass population at Castaic Lake is in direct proportion with its increasing striper population.

Now Lake Casitas is a different story. It has a huge population of double-digit bass. Additionally, the Lake Casitas park staff recently planted several hundred pure-strain Florida largemouth bass fingerlings into the lake, along with tons (literally) of fish habitat (thanks primarily to the efforts of Senior Ranger Rob Weinerth). I anticipate that the fishing at Lake Casitas will be outstanding over the next five to ten years.
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Tobe...
I believe your on to something.
It's time we start stocking Clearlake again with Florida Strains.
The Northern genes have taken over.
Just look when the record came and the last time Florida's were planted.
Here's what we should do...
Purchase 200 pairs (two pounders or larger) each year for five years.
That will put some new blood into Clearlake.
Then I will agree with Ricky-S that a Record will come out of Clearlake.
Until then you can continue to catch all the 3-5 pounders you wish. :wink:
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Let me add this...
The local Bassmaster Club...should take this up with DFG being involved. (The Chico Bass Club has been doing this for Oroville the last few years). They can get help from them. No needing to reinvent the wheel.
All the surrounding Chamber of Commerces should be involved.
The Tackle Stores should have Lock Boxes where money can be placed and open an account at the local bank to put it in. (No Money goes missing then).
Same for every tournaments org's.
BassFishermen voluntarly placing money in the can for the future of Huge bass not just big bass.
If we can get Kent Brown involved that much better.
I pledge $1000 to get the thing started.
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WE DO IT EVERY YEAR HERE AT DON PEDRO,. UP FRONT LET ME TELL YOU, THE FLORIDA BASS COST IS $ 1.00 PER INCH. NOT POUND, BUT PER INCH...........WE PUT $ 5000.00 WORTH IN DON PEDRO ALMOST EVERY YEAR AND WOULD LOVE MORE DONATIONS. WE WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP CLEARLAKE DO THE SAME.........NEW MELONES HOLD A TOURNAMENT JUST FOR IT OVER THERE........WE ARE THINKING OF DOING THE SAME............SOUNDS GOOD TO US !!

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I'm sure tournaments on the lake are charged fee's for their event , does anything go to DFG , and if so does any of that money go directly to Clear Lake .? Is clear Lake stocked ?
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wooch wrote:8) Not to worry, the DFG electro-shock program resulted in bass over 22lbs-4ozs in both Clear lake and Lake Berryessa. I'm sure there are a few fishermen out there that can attest to having a big one on and somehow losing it and wondering if it was a lake record or even maybe a world record. :lol:
Hay "wooch" Where you getting your info. on this?
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Fished Clear Lake in August of last year fior the first time since I was a kid growing up in NorCal and I thought I was in bass heaven. Son and I fished from sun-up until about 11:00pm each day and lost count of the number of nice fish we caught and released. On the last day we decided to see what kind of stringer we could put together in the half-day we had left--weighed 20+ lbs. at noon. But, the big thing was hooking into a very LARGE bass in an area just south of Glenhaven and being too stunned to react before it came out of the water and shook loose.(Steve Reed/Kidfisher87 will confirm this) My son has caught a 12.3 down in San Diego and this fish was noticeably larger. Count me as one who thinks there are more than a few 17+ lb. piggies wandering around in that lake, even if the shear numbers of mid-sized fish have declined. Of course, I don't mind hearing Clear Lake and Berryessa downplayed---maybe it'll keep a few people away!! :D
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Those rumors about DFG shocking up WR fish have been going around for years. I talked to Dennis Lee about this a couple years ago. Large fish do not shock up well according to him. They live too deep and have too much body mass to be affected by the electro shock charge. They have never shocked up a LM close to the WR anywhere in CA. He did shock up a SM at Trinity that he felt was a possible WR fish, but no scale to weight the fish. According to him the rumors of them shocking up a WR fish are nothing more than rumors. If they did shock one up he would know.

On the Clear Lake Record. Rumor was that at a Stren a couple years ago Folkstad caught a 17+, but did not weight it in hopes he could catch her again in the tournament. True? Not sure, someone will have to ask him.
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I know Mike Folkestad caught an 17 1/2 up there about two years ago while pre-fishing for the Stren tourney. There's some monsters in there.
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I spoke to Jim Davis' father and he'd said a friend of his has a permit for catching live bait and swears there's a WRB in there.

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...too much to reply too!

There is no way I believe a fish over the WR has ever been shocked in Clear Lake. Its just not true. Nor is it true that a 25 pounder was netted by commercial entities (if I hear that one again Im gonna puke!).

Larger fish are actually more susceptible to shocking than smaller fish. Its because they are longer, thus the electricity takes longer to travel the length of their body, thus they are affected to a greater degree. Its more a depth thing. Shocking is only effective to a certain radius in all degrees (effective range primarilly affected by water quality).

IMO, the main problem is hybridization with northerns and the continual dilution of Florida genes. Dilution occurs with each new generation.

The last giant that I know of, that is I actually saw a picture of it, was a 16.5 that was cranked (no regional pun intended) several years back.

Ive never considered Clear Lake to be a trophy fishery, but its a very high quality fishery (just my definition, many feel its a trophy fishery).
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I have talked to Dennis Lee several times and he assured me that no world record has ever been shocked form any body of water.
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I'll tell you, I have lived on Clear Lake for several years and fish whenever i can (ALOT!!). I have caught numerous 8's and 9's but never broke the double digit barrier. I really think that fishing pressure does effect the fish on Clear Lake. If you lived here and saw how much this lake gets pounded you would know, and it would help you realize. last summer I fished a spot in the south end of the lake that prodeced 100+ fish in one day. We caught em' good that whole summer and early fall. Each time we went there we noticed that there were more and more fisherman in the spot, where we used to be the only boat. The productivity of that spot has declined ever since. i really think that tournament pressure as well as weekend fishing has caught up to Clear Lake and made it tougher. You gotta think, how many times has a Clear Lake bass seen an aaron's magic or an MM3 roboworm? You know? It is simply something to consider, after all the fish will still be there.
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Hey Seig,

Maybe you guys should consider taking up a fund to plant trout instead of more bass :wink:

Most of the fish I ever caught in Clear Lake looked northern strain-ish to me. That's not a scientific statement, just a general observation. By comparison, the delta seems to have a lot more fish that look like floridas in it. The idea that the lake is reverting to a more northern strain gene pool is probably quite likely.

As far as electroshocking big fish goes, I don't know the exact radius of the shock probes but like Steve said, it can vary and if you google for that type of info, it sounds like 4-8 feet is about average.

I've watched electrofishing boats on several occasions and they weren't exactly stealthy. The ones I've watched ran the outboard motor as they shocked. As a result, I doubt they shock a lot of really big fish because the fish just move off. One guy I talked to told me he had been shocking for years and the biggest fish he'd ever shocked was a 15lber. That was at a lake that definitely had a lot of fish in that size range in it.

Some direct evidence that it's a bit hard to shock big ones from a boat with the engine running... I was out a few years ago in my kickboat and the electrofishing boat got on the water just in front of me. I watched them go right down the bank in front of me. I figured that was it for any fish that might be up on beds but as I oared past not more than 15 minutes later I found a huge fish on a bed and wound up catching it. The fish was 14.1lbs. I know she was there when the boat went by, she probably just swam out of range as the boat went past. The water was clear and even in a kickboat you couldnt' get within 40 feet of that bass without it spooking off so I think the electrofishing guys just didn't get close enough.

As far as the rumors of huge fish being shocked, all I can say is show me a picture. I don't believe those rumors.
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SHAFT wrote:The beautiful thing about that lake is its so big and you can catch fish any where , you can stay away from the tournament guys and still whack um !
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I believe in most Ca trout fed lakes/res there is something close to the record if not to 20lbs. I fish 3 bodies of water that are 10 minutes away and all three have an 18lb lake record that was set in the last 10 years. Does CL have trout I guess not but there sure is alot of 10+ bass caught every year. I'd think them big'uns are pretty savvy and have enough on the menu so they can pass up a plastic robo,white spinnerbait or LV500

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I have a bit of a different theory. I think the record fish is there but not where we are fishing. CL is 46,000 acres when full and there is a lot of wat that doesn't get fished. By this I mean water way off shore. An example of this was several years ago I was in the Lucern area and I saw a boat maybe a good mile off shore not moving. Thinking it might be broke down I went to see if they needed help. It was two guys prefishing for a WON tournament the next day. They said they were fine and I could go on. About that time I saw the guys rod in the back of the boat take one heck of a down jump. I mean it was really loaded up. After landing a good seven pounder they let me in on what they had found if I would keep quiet about it. They were going along and looked down at the flasher (that gives you and idea how long ago it was) and noticed a depression. They found it and it was stacked with big fish.

I don't know what happened at the tournament as I had to leave that day. The point is that these bigger fish with the abundance of feed this lake has can be anywhere. Also remember that the Fish and Game stocked Florida's up until 1990 I believe. At that time they figured that the Florida Strain were the domineant strain in the Lake. And yes, I have tried to find that spot a couple of times since then. I have two other spots on the Lake I can't find again. That's a problem with getting older, you find fish and can;t remember where they were.
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a fourteen plus and a 13 1/2 were caught at Tulloch this past weekend...The big girls are out there..
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Sure Clear Lake has a lot of fishing pressure. How much this affects the fish that reside in it I'm not so sure. Aimless spraying of weeds has affected the fish population a lot more then angler pressure. I live on the California Delta and we certainly get a lot of day in and day out fishing pressure here as well. Has it curtailed the catch at all, I would have to say no, not one bit. Sure there are times when the fishing is tougher, that I would think happens to anglers from time to time. But it still takes a larger weight to win a tournament on both the Delta and Clear Lake and a lot of folks come out and catch the fish of lifetime at both lakes.

Now the fishing pressure in Southern California lakes is tremendous, due in large part to the size of their lakes. Despite that fishing pressure the future world record bass does reside in SoCal waters. The lakes down there are subject to higher water temperatures year round to assist in making that an eventuality. It's also very likely that the introduction of stripers has had an affect on some of those bodies as well as fluctuating water levels and the decline in the Florida strain gene pool with each year's spawn.

How much of an effect angler pressure has on a body water is also probably pretty hard to determine. One spot can be very productive for a time but every time you catch a hundred fish a day in an area a couple things happen; the bass get a bit wiser to angler presentations and a certain amount of those caught fish also get transported to another part of the lake to be weighed in. I wonder how many actually journey all the way back to where they were caught? Likely not so many, if any. I'd also have to wonder how many fish just up and move out the more boat traffic moves in to a specific area.

As anglers we sometimes take the brunt of people's misguided perceptions and I personally believe the fishing and the catching on places like the Delta and Clear Lake has only gotten better over the last few years and certainly not worse. It was just a few short years go when we were running the 100% BASS Pro Ams up on Clear Lake that you'd see the top anglers bringing in 20-30 pounds sacks daily, which is still the case, but back then you'd also see half the field blank, which really hasn't been the case at all the last several years. As far as I can tell more people are catching and releasing more fish each year.

Just my thoughts, not backed by any science but purely as to what I've witnessed. Heck even the dimwitted such as myself are catching more fish on both ponds then I did when I was younger, haha, that has to be a good sign for the health of the these waters.

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Took 25 lbs to win a tournament here in FEBRUARY. Even the club tourney was 23+ to win.

You have trout, we have hitch.

We are 1300+ above sea level, too....seems like the Delta warms up 1st... Not sure how that works with a Florida bass, but I know this Florida boy is cold some mornins.
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I could post a mile long thread, going over a whole bunch of items in detail, but I believe these are the biggest factors for why Clear doesn't produce giants anymore:

1) Too much Northern strain in the gene pool.

2) "Reverse Selective Harvest", which is to say, so many guys C/R every bass they ever catch from the place, for years and years, but when they finally catch that one monster of their dreams, they kill it and hang it above the fireplace...... not understanding that if they like to catch big bass, they should release big bass.

3) No trout.

4) Too many smaller 3 to 6 lb bass. Every lake has a certain number of lbs of fish per acre it can support. This is the bio-mass. Clear Lk. has SOOO many 3 to 6 lb bass, and an incredible tonnage of other species too (and even though other species don't effect the bass fishery as much, as the bass themselves, other species do have an overlapping effect on the bio-mass, as well.

Anyway, Clear Lk. is an awesome place, for a lot of great fishing opportunities.....

But if it's giants that your after, their are a whole bunch of better options.

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Chris, no doubt some people do keep that "fish of a lifetime" for a skin mount, but I think there is a whole lot less of that than you seem to think..I know you didn't state any numbers, so we both may have a point..I believe you are more correct in your total biomass theory..The really big fish are there, just not as many as some want you to believe..

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As far as Castaic Lake goes, I can sum that up in one word - stripers. The declining big bass population at Castaic Lake is in direct proportion with its increasing striper population.
Ding Ding Ding.... just look at Mead. All I ever hear about from the old timers is how back in the day you could bag high numbers of nice bigmouths every day before the stripers took over. Now a 9-10lb bag is a pretty solid weight, with 12-14lbs consistently taking 1st place checks. Hard to believe that a lake so big, with so many different habitats (up until the water went down the last few years) has such a small average after so many years.
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The last couple trips up to Clear Lake I have seen some pretty decent fish-last summer I saw a pair of hawgs sitting under a dock in Nice that were both 12-15lbs-I gotta believe there are alot of big fish left since I have seen alot of them. I have not been able to get one over 9.5 but I know they are there!
One the trout subject-is there trout in Clear Lake? I have always heard No but on True Bass the other day the fella (cant remember his name!) said that the forage in Clear Lake are Shad,Hitch and Rainbow Trout???? Trout swim in there or no? Could they survive the summer water temps with clear Lake being so shallow? I would hate to see anything damage the bass population in Clear Lake-could trout have an adverse effect as well?
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No Trout , although I read it was stocked with Trout at one time I think it was back in the 50's or 60's . Some people to this post commented that no Trout was the reason for the lack of record sized bass wouldn't the Hitch be equal to the Trout as far as a large feeder fish ? not to mention the Bluegill , crappie , Catfish , and Carp .
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Hey Mac, here's what I believe;

I believe that big fish are caught, (and hopefully released) a lot more often than most people would ever believe. I think its common for a fish to be C/R'd (just throwing out some numbers for the sake of this discussion) 5 times between the weights of 10 to 13 lbs. Now, lets say that only 1 out of every 5, 10 to 13 lb'ers is kept. By the time they get to the 13 lb mark, they are all gone.

In other words, even a small percentage of big fish caught and killed, can have a huge impact on the eventual numbers of big fish, in the long run.

BTW, I don't believe that "Reversed Selective Harvest" is only a problem at Clear Lk, but rather, at most places in the country....... and this is carried out by guys that will tell you how they love to catch big bass. Huh ?

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I always told my employees; "Don't tell me whats wrong - Give me solutions."

I have yet it see someone step up and give solutions.
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Solution to What ? You need to identify a problem to find a solution , if there is a problem at all .
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SHAFT's Orginal thread wrote:
The record was set in 1990 at 17.52 lbs. that was 17 tears ago , I have not heard of anything close to this in the last 3 to 4 years sense I started fishing . I hear of 12 - 13 lbs. as huge fish now , what has changed , why nothing close to the record ? Is the lake over fished ?

Your last one:
Solution to What ? You need to identify a problem to find a solution , if there is a problem at all .
Now Shaft in between your posts...many people have idenified what they think are the problems. I looked over everything again and didn't find any solutions.
Maybe I'm wrong, we may not have a problem.

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Sieg you would know more than I , you have fished that lake much more than I have . I was wondering if at one time a 17 lb. fish was much more common than it is today , was that 17lber an oddity
20 years ago . Maybe there is not a problem , maybe its the nature of the lake to produce big fish at 13 lb.s . This has turned out to be an interesting thread , I see people making comparisons to other lakes and what they have and don't have . What amazes me even more is the fact that bass are not even native to the lake what are the native fish Hitch and shad ?
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hey fish cris how many 10+ fish have you caught in more than 20 feet of water ?

im getting close to 20 10+ ers and not one has been deeper than 18 feet.
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Hey Joe, out of my 73, two... maybe three, deeper than 20 feet. I've often said that deep water is my greatest weakness.

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Re: Clear Lake Record Bass

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Joe Bruce wrote:hey fish cris how many 10+ fish have you caught in more than 20 feet of water ?

im getting close to 20 10+ ers and not one has been deeper than 18 feet.
for research purposes how many of those fish were on beds?
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only one
but I caught her out of sight after she saw us and split
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deep water is my strength. I had a giant hooked once from about 50 feet, but I think most of them giants dont go deeper than 20 unless they really have to. there just dam hard to find in 15 over 100 or more.
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Hey Shaft,
I was hoping Fish Chris would jump in here.
He didn't take my bait. That's another ten pounder I lost. :lol:
I believe we need new blood in the lake. Lot's of it.
The fact is no big fish are coming out of Clearlake (Big fish for me is 13 and better.)
Sure people have seen them and heard from someone that someone caught a 15 plus, but at the end of the day the smoke has settled.
My solution.
My goal is set up a fund (Local bank) and have people who cherish this lake and want to see HUGE fish come out of here, put in money. Even if it is one dollar. 100% of all funds for Pure Florida's.
I would love to have trout planted here. November through May would be great (I'm Dreaming), but I believe with the healthy shad population and other forage (carp, hitch, craws, etc.) they can and will grow rapidly.
You can jump in anytime Fish Chris....
With new blood....the big fish will start to appear in five years.

Thanks to the Stockton Bass Club...the big fish in the Delta are HUGE.
The sucess story behind that is great. Maybe somebody can post the story.

As Fish Chris says....Peace. :wink:
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Re: Clear Lake Record Bass

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Why are trout so important with all the other bait fish in Clear Lake ?
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Hey Shaft,
I'd rather eat a Tri Tip than a hamburger.
If you look at all the big fish lakes...Trout seem to be high on the food chain.
Again...that is one Fish Chris may answer better.

Here's some history on Clearlake...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Lake
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Well Mr. Taylor,
Let us start a N.P.O. and get this show on the road.
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I love that idea Sieg-as I am one that "cherish's" Clear Lake-I have never felt so at ease as when i even get near the place! Keep me posted-I'll do everything I can to help out!
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Well ya' know, trout are great..... but not in Clear Lk. They would never be able to "hold over" and the lake is just too immense to be feasibly stocked.

I've said this before, but while Clear Lk. could be made to produce bigger bass than it does now, I just don't think it will ever produce true giants, like the much more easily controlled "trout ponds".

That said, yes, I agree that fresh, pure, Florida genes would help Clear Lk. produce more "teen bass" than anything else.

Remember back in the day, when Clear produced the 17 plus lake record ? Following those guidelines, I think Clear Lk. might be able to produce a 17 again.... 18 tops.

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