cheating?

Ryan L · Post by **Ryan L** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:19 pm

I fished the future pro on berreyessa last week and fished up putah for half the day. now we all know that it is 5 mph up there but i saw many many boats go buy much faster than that on plane most of the time now i am not saying tons of people did just a selected few. now i personally didnt care to much but my partner was furious especially because we followed the rules and idled to our spot. he considerd it cheating and i thought about it and i aggree. what do you guys think.

Skeeterman · Post by **Skeeterman** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:26 pm

To me yes. You not only do you have to go by the rules of the tournament you also have to go by the rules of the lake o,bay off limits and speed zones.

DAN360V · Post by **DAN360V** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:46 pm

i was on berry the same day as the future pro tournament but i wasnt in the tourny, and i am sad to report i also saw many tournament competitors on pad in a 5 zone, only it was inside skiers cove, and i agree 100% it is cheating it is simply trying to gain an unfair advantage (time) on the rest of the field! there should be a better way of regulating this rule, because it gives all us tournament guys a very bad rep, and makes us not welcome in some places!!

troutnut · Post by **troutnut** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:54 am

Problem is they also create animosity between angler groups that are also our friends. Other people that are recreational fishing view tournament anglers as bad of a problem as jetskiers, cabin cruisers, wake boats et al. All it takes is a couple of bad eggs and the whole group gets painted with a big brush (just ask the skateboarders).

http://www.ncffb.org/index.cgi?frames=n ... 516#368516

http://www.danblanton.com/viewmessage.php?id=81458

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:15 am

yes it is cheating... take a carmera with you .. must of us do now days and most cameras have a video feature w/date and time... video them and protest them with video to the TD..

This stuff has to stop for the sport to excell to higher levels and it is the fishermen that have to do it ... but most guys don't have the ball to file a protest .. only bitch about it on public forums, club meeting or standiing around in parking lots !

I guess a TD could stage a check boat... say a couple hundred yards insdie a big known 5 mile zone like putah creek... but again why would he want to slap the guys that are padding his pocket ?? Not sure if he would want to do that .. I mean it would like running his customer off ... he would rather have the fishermen file the protest

seaya
mark

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:58 am

If you have A digital camera and can get the CF numbers as they are doing this take the picture and turn it over to Vince he will take car of it. He has in the past DQed people for simular things.

Terry

Matt Moreau · Post by **Matt Moreau** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:03 am

I would have to agree. You should turn these people in if it bothers you. Take a camera out and aim for the CF numbers! Not only can you turn them into the tournament director but you can also call the Sherrif!

I know personally I wouldnt turn him in. I try not to concentrate or get distracted with those things in tournaments. But thats me. If I see something dangerious then i would be compelled to take action.

You could also PM Korny and see what he has to say.

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:07 am

I hate to ruin your little thread here, but it isn't cheating..and you can't be DQ'd for being on plane in a five mile zone....You can however be DQ'd "" if "" you get cited for being in violation of the five mile zone...Take all the pictures you want,,they don't mean squat....the boats must be cited....

You can be DQ'd if you " pass ' another competitor in a restricted speed zone, to gain a advantage over the other boat..but you both must be under power with the big motor...Believe me I learned that rule the hard way...I passed another boat in a heavy rain squall and was DQ'd...as I should have been...hard lesson, but necessary....

Read the rules////

JT

flipit · Post by **flipit** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:21 am

Actually I do remember an instance at Shasta during a pro am where a guy was DQ'd for just this thing. He wanted to get to a spot first and drove right by us on pad and the pro turned him in and he was DQ'd. His am was upset that his pro did that also.

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:57 am

The TD's will DQ them for rules violations, but only if they are turned in at the tournament, where actions can be taken. It is too late to report or discuss it after the fact. It will not stop if it is not reported properly. File a protest at the tournament and at the time you see the violation with the TD running the event. These things have to stop. Bill K

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:02 am

Ryan,

Don't feel bad them guys were doing the same thing up in Pope. Little do they know they were helping the bite out.

Scott D. · Post by **Scott D.** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:36 am

JT, I am disgusted with your answer. Basically you are supporting that kind of behavior. We need to police ourselves, and we ALL need to be concerned that our behavior is setting the tone and impression that is cast for everyone one of us in a bass boat. Even the guys who just fun fish are going to be lumped into the "rude tournament bass fisherman" category. Police ourselves, set a positive example. How can people feel good about them selves knowing they are breaking the rules and making all of us look bad. Integrity, that's what it is all about. Do the right thing even when nobody is looking.

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:38 am

The boat in question MUST get a ticket to be DQ'd. Otherwise it is one contestant's word vs another. If the Organization picks one as truth, be ready for the lawsuits! So, that's why they want a ticket to DQ.

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:24 am

are just a bunch of thread HIJACKERS!

Ryan's original question was not about being DQ'd or not. That indeed is something that is left up to the TD onsite for the tournament. I will say, most TD's do not have the balls or integrity to DQ someone for this infraction. I know first hand as I protested an angler who won a West Coast Bass event on Pedro one year fer doing this exact thing. He was running the bank standing up front, with his am driving the boat. It was a triple infraction actually, bow riding, excessive speed in a controlled zone, and the driver of the boat was not attached to the kill switch. Even though 10-15 anglers reported to the TD of witnessing this, after I wrote and presented the protest, they let him off the hook and he won the tournament.

Ryan's original question was, "Do we think it is cheating?" The answer is yes and no.

The YES side of it is, if you are exceeding the speed limits, to gain an advantage over yer competitors, ie: trying to pass them in a speed zone ta git ahead of them, motoring around the bank with the big engine on looking for bed fish(which is considered bow riding), blowing on full pad through speed zones, or blazing around in an unsafe fashion as Swindel did in the Classic, you are infact cheating and/or breaking specific rules that every tournament organization has in place.

The NO side of it is, if you are just not paying attention, and over idling in a speed zone, I wouldn't consider this cheating. Many times we see guys start up on pad too early, or come off pad too late when entering or exiting speed control zones. It's wreckless, it's not safe, but I wouldn't consider this cheating. On the other hand, as JT mentions, if the boater who is seen doing this, is not cited by local, on the water officials, there's only one TD in the world that I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, who will have the balls and integrity to DQ that angler, and that's Trip Weldon!!!!!!!!!!!!

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:48 am

Do you even know for sure that these guys were in the tourney. I saw this same thing at Oroville this month. They also were not wearing life jackets. But I'm not sure if they were even in the tourney or not. I think it would be cheating cause it is trying to take advantage of getting to the spot, or spots quicker than the guys that follow the rules posted on the lake.

Ryan L · Post by **Ryan L** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:32 pm

i am not sure about all of them but i know for sure one of them was. now i am not trying to start a war on the subject i think vince does a great job as a tounament director. it didnt affect our fishing either way still had a good showing. i was just curious what you guys thought about the matter

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:43 pm

Wow Scott D.

I am disgusted with your response and inability to read my response...I do not support this kind of action on the water...as I said I was DQ'd in a tournament many years ago, for passing another angler in a 5mph zone AND DESERVED IT.....can't you read English...

Most TD's will not accept the word of one angler against another.......camera's don't mean squat...I admitted my mistake...and was DQ'd....the question was about cheating.....sure it's cheating..I was not intending to get a unfair advantage on the other angler or cheat...when it was pointed out to me what I did, even if unintentional..it was wrong..so i moved on..

p.s. there were NO 5mph buoys or signs to say it was 5mph...and it was water that I was unfamiliar with...

Sometimes you guys go off the deep end of the boat with personal attacks..if I offended you Scott D.....great..made my day that another teacher screwed up another student...because you either can't read or only read the little words...the word "disgusted" is just way out there and becomes personal...

JT

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:24 pm

If so most orgs rules say you must follow the laws or you can get DQed

bahlzar · Post by **bahlzar** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:01 pm

Well this sort of thing happened at the FBL last year, most of you are saying abide by the lake rules or get dq'd....well last year for a period of time which 2 FBL events took place the entire lake (folsom) was 5mph..nobody went 5mph and nobody got dq'd.... sorta the same thing aint it?

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:11 pm

Cooch wrote:are just a bunch of thread HIJACKERS!

Ryan's original question was not about being DQ'd or not. That indeed is something that is left up to the TD onsite for the tournament. I will say, most TD's do not have the balls or integrity to DQ someone for this infraction. I know first hand as I protested an angler who won a West Coast Bass event on Pedro one year fer doing this exact thing. He was running the bank standing up front, with his am driving the boat. It was a triple infraction actually, bow riding, excessive speed in a controlled zone, and the driver of the boat was not attached to the kill switch. Even though 10-15 anglers reported to the TD of witnessing this, after I wrote and presented the protest, they let him off the hook and he won the tournament.

Ryan's original question was, "Do we think it is cheating?" The answer is yes and no.

The YES side of it is, if you are exceeding the speed limits, to gain an advantage over yer competitors, ie: trying to pass them in a speed zone ta git ahead of them, motoring around the bank with the big engine on looking for bed fish(which is considered bow riding), blowing on full pad through speed zones, or blazing around in an unsafe fashion as Swindel did in the Classic, you are infact cheating and/or breaking specific rules that every tournament organization has in place.

The NO side of it is, if you are just not paying attention, and over idling in a speed zone, I wouldn't consider this cheating. Many times we see guys start up on pad too early, or come off pad too late when entering or exiting speed control zones. It's wreckless, it's not safe, but I wouldn't consider this cheating. On the other hand, as JT mentions, if the boater who is seen doing this, is not cited by local, on the water officials, there's only one TD in the world that I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, who will have the balls and integrity to DQ that angler, and that's Trip Weldon!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Remember that day on Perdo ... and I remember the angler .. A. M. ... right... and if i remember right I encourged you to do it along with several others

I was not thread jacking.. Ryan asked what I thought so I told him..

If nothing else it falls under ....unsportsmen like conduct .. Been a while I guess I better look up some rules .. maybe a TD can jump in here a give us a better understand..

seaya
mark

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:23 pm

I canâ€™t tell a lie â€“ I cut that cheer tree down!

Iâ€™m not going to make any excuse â€“ I when on plan while I was fishing Saturday. I did not do it to gain an advantage, to cheat, or to get to a spot before someone else. I had no spots to go too â€“ I just did it!

I have only fished Berreyessa two times before and yes I seen the 5 mph when first coming in but did not see any other speed signs (10 miles down). A few other boats were on plan so I when on plan too. Figuring the 5 mph was for the opening â€“ I mean if they want to control the speed it would be posted just in more then one place. I also did not see any hazard signs and the water was deep enough.

I can tell you this it did not help and I'm thankful Jesus die for my sins or I would end up in hell.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:27 pm

Let me see if I got this right. So you can't get DQ'd unless you are cited for it cause it you word agaist theirs. And most TD's won't DQ someone over that. But for sure it is unsportsman like conduct right? Do we all agree on this?

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:29 pm

Ryan L wrote:i am not sure about all of them but i know for sure one of them was. now i am not trying to start a war on the subject i think vince does a great job as a tounament director. it didnt affect our fishing either way still had a good showing. i was just curious what you guys thought about the matter

But this is the problem, Ryan... so what you are saying if a guy has some fish in a cage, but your weight is larger than his .. you won't do anything because it didn't affect your day...

Not in a war here my friend .. just want everone to know if someone breaks a rule, cheats or in some way acts unresponsible.. we/you as supportors of this sport , need to say something . If we don't who will... the other guy??? ... ya right !!!!

I was once dqed with a team partner, because he was guiding on the lake and we did not now the rules of off limits ( same circuit different rules on different bodys of water).. shame on us..

Anyway we had a huge bag .. ashamed yep ... embarrasssed... hell ya !! Pissed that the guys protested ... yep .. but they were right we broke the rules and deserved be dQed.. After it was over I respected them doing it , Takes a heck off a man to stand up and yell foul!!!
It still bothers me today that we did not now the rules .. shame on us!

seaya
mark

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:36 pm

That wuz the dude Mark! He still don't like me to this day! Oh well, I was not the man in the wrong.

I just couldn't pass up the "thread jacker" thing, LOL, this is a great topic fer discussion here.

And Marty, you ARE forgiven brotha! Two Hail Mary's and an Our Father, yer good ta go! Amen!

Ryan L · Post by **Ryan L** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:48 pm

yeah stickbait you are probaly right if we didnt do so well i would probably be more upset at the fact. now i am going to throw this out and see how many fishies i catch.Do you guys think putah should be 5mph the whole way up or just a few miles from the back it does seem pretty unnessecary at the beginning or am i wrong.

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:04 pm

and the water skiers out of there

MN · Post by MN » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:02 pm

So if someone took a picture of someone violating a rule,which i am going to assume is the same as the lake rule's,you would be wasting your time confonting the TD if that person did not get a ticket.

Very confusing

Mike Nance

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:07 pm

MN wrote:So if someone took a picture of someone violating a rule,which i am going to assume is the same as the lake rule's,you would be wasting your time confonting the TD if that person did not get a ticket.

Very confusing

Mike Nance

I don't get that either....

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:58 pm

A picture does not prove time or date....or speed or location..because they can be altered...or if taken at the wrong angle give an incorrect image....in team events you would have to have an independent witness..such as another team...in a Pro-Am the Am can be considered an independent witness.. the passing of another contestant in a speed controlled area is cheating and unsportsmanlike..but hard to prove...without the witness or that the sheriff or ranger cited them for the infraction....ie; exceeding the speed limit or creating a wake...is a citeable offense...in most tournaments simply being cited for a infraction of any kind is reason for being DQ'd..

JT

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:55 pm

JT, ok now I got it.

But regardless its still unsportsman like conduct, you just can't prove it without them getting cited.

MN · Post by MN » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:01 pm

I understand but i also see post's in regard's to guy's caging fish,which i find very hard to believe someone would do,taking a picture with a digital camera which does have a date if you dont see or catch them the day of the event there is nothing you can do.

I am not trying to couse a debate or problem here but this is very disturbing to see this kind of contraversy and unsportsmanship going on in Bass fishing.

If someone was to alter a picture wouldnt that be more of an altirier motive against a certain individual.I keep telling myself,Mike let's go fish a few tournament's and then i see this and back off.

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:52 pm

How fast he was going and exactly where he was? Most protests must be made within one half hour of the completion of the weighin to the tournament director. It gets pretty tricky his word against yours good enough picture to be able to read the boat numbers. Chance of a lawsuit for slander, lible or defamation of character.
Tough call.

Barry Watson · Post by **Barry Watson** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:24 pm

Well Jimmy, as you know, in the old days you could just whip the guys A, if you were big enough. Now try that and you will get shot and killed or sued. or both. LOL

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:31 pm

MN wrote: I am not trying to couse a debate or problem here but this is very disturbing to see this kind of contraversy and unsportsmanship going on in Bass fishing.

Dude, it's not bass fishing that's the problem. It is that thing that is the "root of all evil" (according to some). Anytime there is money on the line, guys will lie, cheat, steal, murder, and do things you wouldn't expect. It's all about the MONEY for some

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:38 pm

A picture does not prove time or date

Todays digital Cameras, indeed can prove date and time! If a guys is burning a No wake zone, a digital photo would be solid proof! Would anything be done about it, depends on if it's Trip Weldon or not! HAR! HAR! HAR!

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:50 pm

And when I was big enough people were a whole lot more polite to me and so kicking A was not as much of a necessary option.

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:15 pm

JT-theHo-Angler wrote:A picture does not prove time or date....or speed or location..because they can be altered...or if taken at the wrong angle give an incorrect image....in team events you would have to have an independent witness..such as another team...in a Pro-Am the Am can be considered an independent witness.. the passing of another contestant in a speed controlled area is cheating and unsportsmanlike..but hard to prove...without the witness or that the sheriff or ranger cited them for the infraction....ie; exceeding the speed limit or creating a wake...is a citeable offense...in most tournaments simply being cited for a infraction of any kind is reason for being DQ'd..

JT

I am sory .. but you are wrong ... my camera has date and time.. and I think I am good enough with my camera to get the boat on wake .. coming past the 5 mph bouys!!

And if that proof won't hold up with a TD for a DQ ... I would find another circuit to fish !!

Oh ya ... photoshop can be done to anything nowdays... BUT done the day of the tourney .... na .. I don't think so !

seaya
mark

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:23 pm

MN wrote:I understand but i also see post's in regard's to guy's caging fish,which i find very hard to believe someone would do,taking a picture with a digital camera which does have a date if you dont see or catch them the day of the event there is nothing you can do.

I am not trying to couse a debate or problem here but this is very disturbing to see this kind of contraversy and unsportsmanship going on in Bass fishing.

If someone was to alter a picture wouldnt that be more of an altirier motive against a certain individual.I keep telling myself,Mike let's go fish a few tournament's and then i see this and back off.

MN ... don't take this thread wrong ... we have a few bad apples in everything to do with money and notoriety..

PLEASE fish a few tourneys .. you will be very please at the experience, I did it for 20 years and loved every minute of it .. well maybe not when I got my butt kicked.... har har !
My only comments are .. if you see someone breaking a rule ... file a complaint !! We have to self police ourselfs .. if not who else will!

seaya
mark

JT-Madera · Post by **JT-Madera** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:19 am

In answer to the time and date that is stamped on your pictures....I would ask the question " who entered the date and time that is stamped " You did..the photo god did not enter the data..you and I can change that data as many times you want to...it simply isn't accepted in a court of law...because it isn't posted by an outside source..you still need an outside witness to verify the photo..hence you really don't need the photo if you have the witness...any TD who accepted the photo would certainly be open to a lawsuit...because the time, date can be altered...I can change that data in three minutes..

JT

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:19 am

Yep, unless your digital camera has GPS with a time and date stamp from satalite, your time on your photo is not gospel.

Jason Wood · Post by **Jason Wood** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:01 am

So just as an example... I want to get Cooch DQ'ed from a 100% tourney in the near future... I am going to sit in Sandmound Slough for who knows how long to see him possibly, just maybe, go by one of the 5 MPH bouys at the perfect time and be in the perfect position to snap a picture with a digital camera of him being on pad??? Then go home and alter the time and date to sometime during the next tournament and hope that he catches enough to be in contention for some money so I can get him DQ'ed??? This is rediculous... It would take more time to do this to save what may be a $400 check for you (because if this is what it takes for someone to be in the money, I feel sorry for them) then it would to skip the tournament and go do a few hours worth of work and make the same amount...

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:17 am

...but Cooch is the "Delta God". You would DQ God?

If you catch someone cheating, just take them out back and settle it. Your "persuasion" will prevent this in the future.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:37 am

From the FPT website:

General Rules

1. It is your responsibility, as a participant, to read and comply with all written tournament rules and know any special tournament rules, year-end qualification rights and any applicable local, state or federal rules and regulations PRIOR to each event you participate in.

Blowing through a 5 mph zone on pad is a clear violation of local rules and regulations and very well should result in a DQ if the guilty parties were in the tournament. I'd have written down the boats CF numbers and then followed Vince's rules for making a protest which is simply:

47. Protests: Protests must be lodged prior to the official closing of the scales.

What needed to happen was writing down the boats CF numbers and then present them to Vince at the weigh in. I would have come in with the first flight of boats to make sure Vince had a chance to spot the boat prior to them weighing in.

Despite Cooch's assertion that Trip Weldon is the only guy that would have the integrity to uphold this rule I can safely say that anyone giving me this information when I was still running tournaments would have seen a DQ as well.

That being said, it seems that folks don't want to turn people in when they're suppose to when they see offenses like this. Did you approach Vince about this situation at the tournament? If you didn't then you really didn't give him the opportunity to enforce the rule.

Blowing through a 5mph zone is an offense no matter where it happens and regardless of whether or not the boat was cited. As a former TD, I wouldn't need a date and time stamp to enforce the rule. It would surely help if more then one boat witnessed the transgression but I can safely say I personally would have no problem ruling on this matter even if it was just the one set of anglers that witnessed the offense.

It's very likely that the guilty parties could be DQ'd for two rules offenses:

2. Sportsmanship: any contestant who displays poor sportsmanship and/or violates any of these rules will be disqualified. Disorderly conduct at any official tournament or event meeting/seminar will be grounds for disqualification.

To my mind it's very clear that a team blowing through a 5 mph zone is attempting to gain an advantage on the rest of the field by getting to an area illegally before any other team. That is surely breaking a rule and in breaking a rule you're also violating the sportsmanship rule as Vince has it written in his rules.

It all becomes moot if you don't protest the team before the closing of the scales.

Contrary to what folks here are saying about dates and times of photos and what not, there is nothing in anyone's rules that says a TD needs photographic evidence to make a decision and when you enter ANY tournament you are agreeing to abide by the rules which in just about all cases state the local regulations must be adhered to all the time.

sTony

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:57 am

I agree completely with Stickbait and with sTony's assessment.

You don't need a ticket, or other outside proof...you have to convince the TD that a DQ is in order. The TD can make a subjective call...it is the TD's right that you agreed to when you accepted the rules that state the TD's decision is final.

Yea, you can sue anyone for anything...winning is another issue.

Even if a rule violation (intentional or not) doesn't affect your outcome, it probably affects someone else's outcome which isn't fair to them.

We all need to follow the published rules. Just because you can "get away with something" isn't a reason to do so. If a TD opts to not enforce the written rules then I will fish a different circuit. If enough of us do so, then all of the rule violators will be fishing against each other in that circuit and we can fish a fair circuit.

Being a TD is a very tough job, and I appreciate those who have the fortitude to enforce their rules and DQ someone when a compelling case is presented that removes doubt a violation occurred.

MN · Post by MN » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:41 pm

Naw since i got my AARP card i dont get upset over anything anymore

Ryan L · Post by **Ryan L** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:38 pm

even if i wanted to i could not have read the cf number they where on plane. And i was focused on what i was supost to be doing. fishing well for me and my partner. And i dont think that we need people policing people taking pictures and all this stuff. We just need to be men and not cheat take pride in fishing and yourself i mean if you cheat in a fishing tounament my god what are you like in life

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:49 pm

There will always be cheaters no matter what. Espesially if there is money involve. It sucks but thats just the way some people are. Not just in bass tourneys, but in everything in life. I don't get how they do it. I could never feel good about anything that I cheated to win.

Jim Conlow Sr. · Post by **Jim Conlow Sr.** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:22 am

Didnt you know you are supposed to have a camera in your hand along with your rod and practice getting off shots with your camera within a seconds notice? If everyone would just start concentrating on that I could cheat by not having the camera and win some tournaments.
Perhaps we could do a video of you teaching the dual technique of fishing and snapping pics at the same time.

basshunter4u · Post by **basshunter4u** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:55 pm

Well I was the first boat to get all the way up the creek. I followed 2 teams in about a mile and they turned off and we continued up still going little faster than idle speed. I looked back and a bass boat was totally on plane and then slowed down about 100 yards behind me and then followed me for a while. I will admit I was pissed becasue it took me 20 minutes to get in to where I was at and this guy 2 minutes or less. What you going to do? I am not sure if they were fishing Future pro because of the ABA on Sunday. Thats how I releived my stress for myself and told myself ahh they were prefishing. Maybe they were. If they were is it still ok?? I do know that Putah Creek goes un patrolled but do I take the chance as a boat owner to go on plane? Anyone get a ticket for speeding in a no wake zone? If so how much was the fine and was it worth it?

Don O

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:17 am

there is a reason why there are bright colored ribbons on the trolling motors of anglers choice competitors. I had a bright orange one on my motor from the last Melonies tournament. maybe this will help other organizations to identify whether or not they are competing in the tournament for that particular day. on the columbia river bassmasters a while back you had to put a brightly colored band around your big motor for the entire tournament. RR

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