Hey Totired, I just found out who you are.

[Tobe]

Gator,

I don't like seeing anybody go through something like this either but we keep hearing about this "apology" and have not heard a word from Korny.

Has he admitted to his identity as "Totired" and has he apologized for that?

Korny was not throwing stones at a glass house, he was huckin bricks.

I think Ron C said it best:

Ron C wrote:
...
I hear arrested suspects say that they are sorry for what they have done, but the truth of the matter is that they are sorry that they got caught.

Ron C



I think the only way this will die is when Bob stands up and I think he is man enough to do that on his own.

[Bill Swearingen]

Am I disappointed in Bob over this issue...yes! Was this a silly and unscrupulous thing for someone to do who has been the leader in capturing the highest level of competitive participation in team events in Northern California for a long time...of course! Do I think that Bob is doing some serious sole searching these last couple of days...I'm sure of it! With that said, I for one along with my circle of friends will continue to support Bob and 100% Bass simply because that's what friends do, right or wrong, when one has made a serious mistake and needs the support of his friends, those of us willing to forgive and eventually forget!

Bill Swearingen

[Mike]

I too an with ya bill.

[Dynastyworms]

Gator,

Mybe its just me, but i dont think an "error in judgement" last a while. To me an error in judgement is when your wife ask you if she looks fat in her jeans and you answer Yeah. now to repeat that "mistake" means more. Personally I dont care what happens next. Everything on the net in these forums, you must take with a grain of salt. ANYONE can miss say something, but to get a differnt screen name........... that a hole nother story.
everyone hear has said something at one time or another that was miss read, but not this... I cant get over the differnt name.. N E ways i better stop now before i write 12 more pages.... Please no more drama!

just my .02

Zach

[Cooch]

with Bill and Mike in that same circle. As I mentioned in a direct post to Totired, I was shocked, he should be ashamed, and I was speachless. I'm still very confused and not sure what to say. I do offer this though to Bob and everyone else reading this thread:

Walk in Integrity

The best thing for gray hair is a sensible head.

The Lord rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands has He recompensed me.
Psalm 18:20

Talking about the Word isn't enough; we need to do what we say we believe. God will bless us if we are people of integrity. As believers, we need to keep our promises and do what we say we will do.

Look for ways to demonstrate integrity today. If you can't follow through with something you said you would do for someone, at least call or write a letter, saying, "Please forgive me; I was not being led by God, and I just cannot do what I said." This way you will honor God and keep your steps going in the right direction.

Joyce Meyer

It is so important folks, that we do what we say we will do. It is important that our behavior reflects what and who we claim to be. We make choices in life, of which there are two options and outcomes. We make good choices that provide righteous outcomes, we make bad choices that overflow us with negativity. In as much as we reap the rewards from our good choices, we must aslo accept responsibility and deal with those bad choices.

Our friend Bob, made a really bad decission here. I can only imagine the anguish, dispair, humiliation, guilt and remorse that is flowing through his soul right now. Bob's paying a price, bigger than any of us know. Yet irregardless of how any of us feal, believe or inturpret his open letter, the man took responsibility for his actions. He appologized, he commended the the other orgs, and he walked away from this website. He must now deal with the pain and healing process. That's his cross to bare.

Are you walking in integrity?? Let's ALL walk into the future with integrity. This place will be awesome if we do!

[nipples]

I've tried to stay out of this but I just have to pitch my 2 cents into the common pot.... (Common cents...ha ha)

While Korny was deceitful and posted under the guise of anonymity, how much truth was there to what he posted? I saw quite a bit of truth to what I came across.

By calling Vince out on the payouts that didn't add up for the Vanity Cup, he was in fact doing all of us a service by pointing out some really fishy stuff.

I am not privy to any slander Korny did other than FPT.. But from what I read in his posts about it, it had the ring of truth to it. I'll be reading his past posts as I do not like what I am hearing about alledged slamming of Dobyns rods. I plan on owning several, partially because of the quality, and partially to support a local hero (Gary).

I agree that what he did was shady, and I would have preferred to see those posts under his real identity (which would have created a ton of panty slapping among allot of you).

So in my opinion, both Bob and Vince are a little shady, just in different ways. So the question is... Should you stop fishing their tourneys because of it? That is up to you. I will fish the tourneys I have time for, regardless of who is running the show. Right now that they are both under the scope. 1000+ wary eyes on every move they make, should keep them honest for awhile. I would also like to add that Both Vince and Bob have been nice and pleasant to deal with in person.

People just kill me, Korny made a mistake and I forgive him for it. He made a mistake.. at least he is not living a mistake like so many of the ignorant masses in the world. Basically, lets all take a good look at ourselves and try to learn from the mistakes of others anytime we can. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

-Peace-

-Paul-

[Otay Michael]

Good words Cooch.

In our church, as most others, if the leader was to commit this kind of serious, purposeful, deceitful, hateful and hurtful action he would have to step down, whether he wanted to or not. Most step down, but some fight it. I don't see much difference from a leader of a church or a leader of a fishing tournament enterprise (no jokes please, this whole matter is not a joke). They both call for respect that they have earned over time, and none if they lose it, and none after they lose it until they EARN IT BACK, and that takes a lot of time to see if they have truly changed. In the pastors case, it's maybe easier as he can turn to the Lord for help and forgiveness, in the case of someone that could care less... well, as they say, a leopard can not change it spots. The Lord is in the spot changing business, I know. But as a friend, if I was one of Korny’s, I’d still be a friend, but just could not accept the leadership of said friend. This is where Tony needs to step up and separate his commitment to his friend from his support of him as a tournament director. That is integrity too.

If Korny is truly sorry, he will step down from running tournaments and make monetary payments to those he tore down of substantial amounts, but know that no amount of money can give a persons reputation back.

I hope Korny repents of this grave sin he has committed, which has created a moral crisis in his life. Of course, the Lord can forgive, but only if we ask it of Him. This volcanic eruption that has happened in his life can be a blessing in disguise, for when we hit bottom there is no place to look but up. That happened to me... thank U God.

Happy Resurrection Sunday to all that believe; may we be much appreciative all the more of the one that paid the price that none else could. As I have learned over time, integrity is doing the right thing when no one is looking.


MS

[Mike]

Whatever Dude

He made a couple of (true?) coments under an assumed name! He's not a child molester like the _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ you are talking about!

Give me a BREAK!

[Sean Graf]

Ok Otay,

I'm not sure how to take your post and I hate when people bring religious stuff into conversations like this.

If Korny is truly sorry, he will step down from running tournaments and make monetary payments to those he tore down of substantial amounts, but know that no amount of money can give a persons reputation back.

I hope Korny repents of this grave sin he has committed, which has created a moral crisis in his life. Of course, the Lord can forgive, but only if we ask it of Him. This volcanic eruption that has happened in his life can be a blessing in disguise, for when we hit bottom there is no place to look but up. That happened to me

I don't agree with what Korny did, but you suggesting that he step down is just plain dumb in my opinion.

Do me a favor and leave the religious thoughts for Sunday's at Church, the last place I wanna read about God is here in a fishing forum.

Comparing Korny's bad decision to a Priest that made a bad decision is not even comparable........

I'll stop now because the last thing you, or anybody wants to hear is my opinion on Priests, it's not a pretty one.....

Sean

[Dom]

This is just another punch in the face to the sport it seems when ever anyone or company does anygood they get slammed by someone it is just sad to hear it was Bob doing the slamming and in the worst possible way hiding behind a keyboard lord knows how much I hate that Grow a pair and tell em to thier face and if ya cant back it up or take a butt woopin its best to not say nothing at all.

I have known Vince for years I consider him a good friend and have fished the FPT for years and Vince does a great job, end of story he is great at marketing,customer service,promotions he is the whole package and thats why Vince is so successful. I have never heard a bad thing out of Vince's mouth about anyone in all the years I have known him. I am just taking some time off from fishing to build my hot rod but plan on returning and when I do My wife and i both will be fishing Vince's FPT.

I know Bob has had the respect of many players here in Nor Cal over the years and I would never exspect this from a guy who has been a player for so many years this is surprising and yet disapointing at the same time.

I do however find it just abit unsettling, why is it when anyone else goes on a bubble busting crusade for instance when that guy was all over Cooch a few years back it only took a couple of weeks to bust the perp? and there have been coutless others that have been busted over the years.(remember I have been here along time) From the looks of the ongoing post this has been going on for awhile from "totired"

We all make mistakes I will be the first to admit that cuase lord knows I have made a few of mine right here on the pages of NCBF. But I want to know WHY? Jelousy? Old Beef? What? I read what was now thought of the people involved but again I think we all want an explanation of why it even happen in the first place I read no admission of guilt. Will we get it? Probally not but just thought I would throw it out there.

Yea I know just Stir Stir Stir hey its been awhile
Tight Lines
Dom

[Cooch]

Don't blame him fer something I started. Otay simply used that as an anology to express his opinion, in the pecise fashion that Ron C did with criminals and cops. And I simply did the same thing in trying to get a point accross.

[Bob DeLorenzi]

Jenny and I worked for 100% Bass for three tournament seasons and we know that Korny is one of the most honest and hard working tournament directors out there. Right on, Stony, Bill Swearingen, Mike Andrews, and even you, Cooch (I can’t believe you and I are agreeing on something), for supporting our friend.
Bob made a mistake posting the truth in disguise, we all make mistakes. However, we respect his attempt to expose the despicable acts of certain tournament director, actions that we (and many other anglers we have talked to) have experienced first hand.
We will continue to support 100% BASS, Anglers Choice, WON Bass, Stockton Bass, but we will never support a Vince Harris event.
Bob & Jenny DeLorenzi

[Guy Kelley]

If every one is so dam squeky clean as they say they are by

Ripping Korny to shreads..HOW COME THE GOT POLYGRAPHS RIGHTS

[Doug Hodel]

I have read every single post throughout this thread and just had to put my opinion in the mix, not that it counts for much. Let me start by saying that I do not know this "Korny" fellow at all.

I have fished FPT since the beginning and never once have had anything go wrong, Vince always greets my wife and I with open arms and in my opinion runs a great tournament circuit.

What this individual has done is definitely wrong in every since of the word. It terms of the apology, I think it came too early when people were confused as to the reasons behind it. The reason it came when it did, would be pure speculation on my part. When all is said and done all we have is our integrity. I understand the support of friends, but at the same time, fingers shouldn't be pointed at others to try and shift blame.

I believe that this Korny should step down from his position, since it is a position of trust. To say that it is dumb, I disagree. If it were any other business and the manager/CEO/president were to engage in this type of behavior, I would imagine that a resignation would be expected.

Just my opinion and nothing more.

[g-man]

I don't think there is any reason for Korny to step down. What he needs to do is step up. In time I'm sure he will.

[flipit]

Stepping down? This is not a corporation, it is a tournament organization. Which Korny is the owner. So by stepping down it would really be closing down. I dont see that happening nor would I expect it to. We all have the choice to fish the circuit or not, and that is it. I dont fish tournaments at all anymore, although I may in the future. Would I let this stop me from fishing one of the best run circuits around? Absolutely not.

We can sit here and toss opinions around, but at this point for what. It is now between Korny, Vince, and Gary, and aparently Craig from long ago. It is between those 4 wether the apology was acceptable or not. As for me, Im just going fishing.

[Joe Bruce]

Iv herd a bunch of FPT stuff aside from Bob. In this world were its not ok to call a spade a spade unless 20 people do it at once. I can see why he made up a name.

I for one have more respect for him now.

[MPOLLARD]

Joe-
I know who you are Because you leave your name.Also in return you know who I am because I do likewise.But you have more respect for a man know who hides behind a fake name

MPollard

www.teampollardfishing.com
www.gfmarine.com
www.savephace.com
www.teampollard.net for Central Valley Real Estate...

[sTony]

Craig Miller has absolutely nothing to do with what's going on right now and frankly just came in here to kick a man when he's down. It's that simple and that's rather character revealing in and of itself. If he really wants to know why Western Bass went by the way side he has only got to look so far as a mirror to figure out why.

Man 'o man, the level of hypocrisy is getting to be too much to take from so many people.

You'd think by reading all this garbage and what was insinuated about the Western Bass demise that Bob Kornhauser has some sort of mystic genie affect on everyone who makes a decision on where to fisha nd with who and even to manufacturing corporation in regards who they do and don't support. Just for clarity on the matter, totired posted in here eight times and not before this Janaury and not solely about the FPT or the Vanity Cup.

Western Bass and it's past short lived history has nothing to do with what's going on in this thread and I resent it ever being mentioned.

I was a part of the partnership that was 100% BASS/Western Bass. I was there behind closed doors in meetings with all the other partners. None of them wants me to clarify this picture any further as at this time, 5 or 6 years removed from the market place, it just doesn't make sense to open that up for conversation again. None of us involved in that venture came away looking very good after all was said and done, we all had our share in why it's not here today certainly not just Bob, and that includes Craig Miller.

In truth, if that venture had gone the way the ownership intended, we wouldn't have the FPT today as it was a part of Western Bass and only spun off when Western Bass went away. Folks may not remember but Korny and Vince did indeed work together back in those days as did Craig Miller, Dan Anderson, Charlie Lee and myself when it was first 100% BASS and then turned into Western Bass when Bob left the partnership.

sTony

[sTony]

No its not at all that simple Mark.

sTony

[flipit]

I merely mentioned Craig because I read something in this thread. I apoligize for not knowing what this all intails. Ahain this is why I quit tournament fishing. Politics dont have a place in local tournaments in my mind. It is supposed to be fun. Hearing all this stuff and seeing it take place is not fun. Its downright childish.

I hope all the orgs can change there ways and start acting professional. Stop critisizing others and make your own organization the best it can be and let that speak for itself. I know other directors/owners also talk smack about one another, its not just Bob.


Sean

[Steve Reed]

I think there should be an official post on everything that is wrong with the fpt and vince harris....if there is stuff we should know as tournament anglers I want to know it....why does everyone have such a hard time with him and the fpt maybe im just blind to whats there


Anyone want to start one?

[Brian]

I think there should be an official post on everything that is wrong with the fpt and vince harris....if there is stuff we should know as tournament anglers I want to know it....why does everyone have such a hard time with him and the fpt maybe im just blind to whats there


Anyone want to start one?

It wouldnt last long. They never do.

[Cooch]

we're not going to allow those types of post to continue on in here any more. There are two ways that you can find out about all the orgs out there, and the first and most repected form is to go fish em, and make that judgement yerself, otherwise, ask for private emails.

This continued abuse of using this forum to air folks dirty laundry and disatisfaction with any tournament org, here on this website, has come to and end. We will be scrutinizing each and every post from here on out, and if folks don't like the lock down, tough, they can spend their time elsewhere. We've got plenty of users who appreciate this website for all the good it supplies. The bashing, finger pointing and complaining has grown old and dies here.

[Auggie Dog]

Amen Cooch!

Can't we all just get along!?!?!?!?!

Auggie Dog

[BB]

You just made my Friday even better!!!!

Thank you for putting an end to it all.

Keep up the great work and let's all return this forum to it's original intent.

BB

[rdesmangles]

Hey Bob! You are a past Future Pro Tour TOC Champ...the FPT did you much good and Vince made many fine and deserving complements to you and Jen throughout the season. I never heard Vince ever say a bad word about you...why do you consistantly make the FPT and Vince look as if you were wronged when everyone in the FPT has given you and Jen respect and cared for you over the years. With respect of course, back off my friend, the FPT has introduced many anglers to competitive bass fishing and has introduced all of us to the top folks in the business and by the way "totired" I was the guy that was 1st out of the money at Berryessa. I received two certificates for top of the line batteries from Battery Systems and a reel valued over $130.00 for a total value of 400.00...Hey Korny, not bad for 1st out of the money.

The guys that complain about the FPT pay-outs are the ones that need to fish harder and get closer to the top as you would need to do in all tournaments. Plus Vince does not charge for the outstanding teaching siminars and the hundreds of lucky craft baits, trolling motor give aways, free drawings for electronics and so on...

Thanks Vince for a wonderful opportunity and hey, Korny I happen to know that you was once Vince's mentors and many of the good things that he brings to the table came from guys like you - Dude, why would you bash one of your past students...many of us used to look up to you and support the good of the sport. But how could you or anyone take food off of a mans plate as hard as things are out here. (stop spending time looking at what Vince is doing with his business and take time to mind you own affairs...like check your own rules and check your anglers for your own conflicts - THATS A CLUE - I'll leave it at that...)

The FPT is the finest opportunity for minor league competitive bass fishing and a circut that is run on a professional level like the FLW. I would and do participate and will continue to pay for this education and exposure... this is the best the amatuer industry has to offer in Nor Cal at this time...

Hey Tony, in business all exposure is good exposure...drama amounts to hits and hits amount to dollars on web sites...let it roll Brotha...I want to hear what the anglers have to say good bad or otherwise...Gary your rods are "on the hook." Please make them in every size and color possible.

[Steve Reed]

Cooch, I feel like since this site is all about fishing and tourneys why not have that?

Obviously Vince would not come out and say if he screwed people over, if he lied, rules were broken but not dealt with, or anything else that would hurt his or the tournament organizations name.

There isnt just one instance or one person who has these problems, so how can you say go fish the tournament series. You always need consumer reviews and alot seem to be poor. If a product is bad why can't people say it.

What is your connection with the fpt anyway, I mean you allow good posts about but anything bad is nuked and gets harrassment from the mods.....its whack

I liked the tour, but I feel like we should all know the problems and then make the decision to fish it, not the other way around

I understand you dont want people bashing these things, and I do like the fpt, but only from what I know, other people have had their voice silenced, how can they speak out about being screwed if not on here. This website has a lot of power, and thats good.

I just want to know the issues, i mean vince did post that totired was korny, so why cant someone else post something we might not know about vince


sorry for being a pain in the a**

[Gator]

Vince is a closet atheist...........there, I posted something you didn't know. Is it true, why don't you get on the phone and ask Vince?

Just as I have done when I had a problem with him, I emailed him or called him. He is very accesible. The same with Korny - if you have a question or concern, TALK TO the man. It is so simple, get the facts from the source and make your own decisions. That way you have made the call and not been influenced by anyone elses BS. We need to end this "I am a big man behind the keyboard" crap and get back to telling me where all your secret holes are and what baits you were using!!

[flipit]

Vince is a closet atheist...........there, I posted something you didn't know. Is it true, why don't you get on the phone and ask Vince?

Just as I have done when I had a problem with him, I emailed him or called him. He is very accesible. The same with Korny - if you have a question or concern, TALK TO the man. It is so simple, get the facts from the source and make your own decisions. That way you have made the call and not been influenced by anyone elses BS. We need to end this "I am a big man behind the keyboard" crap and get back to telling me where all your secret holes are and what baits you were using!!

Im drop shottin 1oz jigs in 8inches of water in Franks Tract.

[eagle123777]

i have tried to stay out of this thread due to the fact i was a 100 percent staff member at the time this thread surfaced. I have since then emailed both tony and bob about how i felt and belive me it is not easy as i enjoyed my 2 and half years working the motherload region as did my son. I just want to say how we both feel let down by what has transpired and hopefully someday we will find a circuit where we can just fish and enjoy the competition...check or no check...but really dont think that will ever happen in N. CA...jack

[Cooch]

What is your connection with the fpt anyway, I mean you allow good posts about but anything bad is nuked and gets harrassment from the mods.....its whack

First off, my affiliation with the FPT, is nothing more than that of KB, Dobyns, Maes, Francheschi, Rush, Guitierez, Barrack, Thomas, Robert Lee, Ish Monroe and all the other anglers who assist in providing information that is required of us sponsored anglers, to reach the angling public, for the companies we represent. Vince hires us to speak to his anglers in the form of seminars, and quick tips on his website. Some of us are also utilized as an advisor committee for his rules interpretation and definitions of said rules.

Secondly, I treat each of the organizations the same. I defend them and I never speak badly or negatively of an individual organization. If I got serious issues with an organization, screw running around on a public forum like a kindergarden kid, I go right to the top and take my issues with the man in charge, like a man should. Sure, I've had my fair share of issues with how tournaments are run and aspects of the game that's palyed. I was also one of the ones who first commented that I didn't like the pay out to entry fee ratio of the Vanity cup. I've been a supporter of the 100% Bass payouts since it's inception. But I've also taken the time to point out my disatisfaction with what has transpired here the past week. Yet you don't see me bashing or ataching in a malicious way. So I'm not so sure where you got the idea, that I play favorites here. Plain and simple, I DON"T!

I don't make the rules in here, I'm just a hired hand. You don't like the way things are handled in here, yer talking to the wrong man. You can stay away, or go voice yer opinion to Tony Stoltz. You want the issues, why don't ya go look for em out at BassFan, oh, maybe they don't give ya that either huh? This ain't the Jerry Springer show, it was never intended to be that way, and we're certainly not gonna allow it ta git that way. There's a line that Gator, Mike, Rexford and myself are instructed to uphold, you don't like it, tough man. This is a free service website for the consumer, you gotta play by our rules buddy!

I wholey agree with you when ya say.....

This website has a lot of power,

Problem is, more people abuse that power, than use it constructively. You want abusive, factless, smut and dirt, head to the Lounge, it will not be allowed on the main Forums, PERIOD!

[basstamer]

Man I gotta agree this has went waaaaay too long! I have no idea who Korny is-I dont fish tournaments mostly because of this BS right here! I know of him and have heard his name for years but like gator said 100 posts ago EVERYONE is entitled to mistakes and/or lack of judgement a couple times in their lives and anyone and I mean ANYONE on here that says they havent played that card before is a liar. So they guy screwed up or worse case scenario is a crook-OK its been established but now this thread is being used to attack other people too?I dont get why this is the trend on here so much lately....no wonder the mods are getting tired and fed up! Keep it up guys and one day you'll go to log on and you'll get an error message saying this webpage no longer exists! Lets talk hawgs and lures and FUN stuff-not beat eachother down....there are too many good people on here to go and ruin it!Just MY .02-Tight Lines,
Scott