Won Bass US OPEN

hippie · Post by **hippie** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:16 pm

Petre are you stupid ranger has one of the most stable fishing platforms and the skeeter porpusis like a fat dog your arguement is no match cause you can't turn a screw driver if you had too and you tow your boat with vehicle that can't handle the tow a yellow jeep if iwere you pete id keep my mouth closed like you can't hold mammmas hand and say push where do i cut the cord. Darrell the nitro is one of the fastest holes out there and yes the skeeter is a rocket, but if your out of control while going fast what good is it. Have you looked at the craftsmenship in the skeeter sad can't even compare to a ranger not even a champion the z is a escalade of th bass boat . Actually swimbait guy i don't care what boat you own i don't have a z boat just be stoked you have a boat and are able to go out and fish, thats what keeps me happy and skeeters weak craftmenship . its like union and non union you get what you pay for

Pete Marino · Post by **Pete Marino** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:21 pm

Have you already had one too many wine coolers today or what. You run sentences together worse than a sleepy wino.
You obviously havent been in a newer Skeeter. Because they ride really smooth if the water is NOT real rough. I SPECIFICALLY said they ARE NOT the best boat in rough water.
Nitro does NOT have the holeshot that a Skeeter has.....yep...its official...you must be drunk. Back away from your Matilda Bay Wine Cooler...you've had too many bro.
AND again you are drunk if you think a Ranger compares to a Champion of equal size. That guy that sold you the heavy slug Ranger you drive really won you over. But as you said ...we should be happy we are lucky enough to have boats.
Most people get what suits their individual needs. When I bought my Nitro I couldnt afford a big rig so I was very happy with it. It had a crudy holeshot, was very bad in rough water and things fell apart and off it all the time....but I was VERY HAPPY with it because it was right for me at the time.
When I bought my Skeeter I could afford a little more and heard good things and bad things about them so I decided to give one a try. AND I've been VERY happy with it even though its not the best boat in rough water. Luckily I'm not on "rough" water much. Maybe 2-3 times a year. The rest of the time I'm on our local water...and dont for a minute think that our water is "rough"...because its not. "Rough" water is 4-8 footers OR MORE....So. Cal doesnt have that.
Since I've had my Skeeter, the positive things outweigh the negative things BY FAR so I'm really happy.
If I had alot of money and I fished "Big Water" all the time I'd get a BIG Champion (21+ft) because regardless of what you think...The Champion seems to be the BEST Boat on the market. NOTHING compares to those BIG aircraft carriers.
As far as Ranger goes....the company seems to be doing alot of things to bring in business like the Ranger Cup incentive..etc..etc..and its working because there seems to be more Rangers than anything on the lakes these days.

I dont compare Skeeters craftsmanship to Rangers.....I wouldnt expect Skeeters craftsmanship to be better than Rangers. Rangers cost 42-60k or so....they BETTER be built better.
But to say its like union and nonunion comparing Skeeter to Ranger...I think you are out of your mind. Thats unfair of you to say.
Now if you said its like Union and non union when comparing a Ranger to a canoe...that would be more like it.

Oh and by the way....I may be there holding mamas hand...but as I told her....I'M NOT CUTTING ANYTHING!!!! Because I'll pass out and be in a deeper sleep than CroCop was in last night.

Pete

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:23 pm

Unhijacked!

swimb8 · Post by **swimb8** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:37 pm

my boat rides better on the trailer than yours. and looks cooler! now what?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:40 pm

Swimb8 - now its who can catch bigger fish.... and That wouldn't be me!

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:55 pm

Don't let them bling bling wheels hes rollin on get you down Tom!

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:40 pm

are u serious saying that a ranger doesnt have a good fishing platform??? i think you need to re evaluate that comment.

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:22 pm

I wish I could jump in here but.......................

Brian Linehan · Post by **Brian Linehan** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:29 pm

Pete, you are on crack!

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:33 pm

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:25 pm

Pete Marino · Post by **Pete Marino** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:51 pm

I dont think that the Ranger has a great fishing platform compared to my Skeeter. I feel like Skeeters have the best front decks (both size and fishability) because when the water is rough and the waves are rolling, the boat doesnt rock and roll like Rangers and other boats.

Yes I've been in Rangers the same size as my Skeeter...recently too...and whether you like it or not..they simply arent as stable as Skeeters. And it seemed like the front deck was smaller and narrower than my Skeeter.
I'm not saying the front decks and fishability of Rangers is horrible , like I'd say about Tritons or Bullets. I'm just used to mine and notice a difference when I get in other boats. And when I rode in a Ranger recently...I noticed it.

Have you ridden in a Skeeter lately?? Obviously not...
Nor would I expect you to have....You are a Champion owner. And as I clearly stated in my earlier post...Champions are the best. I'm not afraid to admit it.

Pete

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:57 pm

Hey Kyle -

Heck No.. My .02 above had Ranger with a great fishing platform.. probably the best.. I rated them a 9 on fishability.. Would have been a 10 if it wasn't for the handles/locks on the storage compartments being odd... Who knows they may have even fixed that by now.

Pete Marino · Post by **Pete Marino** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:06 pm

I believe you when you say you arent one to back down from a challenge...........just ask that horse you spent the night with on prom night...ahhh errr......nevermind.

Giddy up.......

Pete

Garrett Mercer · Post by **Garrett Mercer** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:48 am

Each boat has different features. All new boats on the market are great boats, for 30-50g they should be. Before judging a boat, I feel that you have to run it, especially on big water.

I'm not going to bash any other boat, or say anything about Rangers, Champions, or any other boat, though I have been on them in rough water before.

For those of you who have not been a new Skeeter I Class, you cant judge the ride or brand based on a ZX200 or any other smaller Skeeter. I have ran 5 different Skeeter's, and I can tell you that the IClass is the best riding Skeeter that I have ever been in. It's also a boat that I can run 74-75mph on gps with 50 gallons of gas, 2 people, live wells full, and the boat will not walk at all. Its also one of the most stable boats you will ever be in while fishing.

And heck, where else can you get $3,000 for winning a LOCAL WEEKEND team tournament with a few hundred dollar entry fee?

Garrett

Bill Hutcheson · Post by **Bill Hutcheson** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:36 am

I thought this was a post about the US OPEN?. We will be giving away a Ranger Z20-Mercury 225ProXS combo for anyone who wants to win it and become the judge themselves of which boat rides best.

Hutch
WON BASS

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:40 am

Hey Bill -
You are right.. I didn't start the hijacking, but I apologize for my continuing it!
Good luck with the event!
Tom

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:04 am

IMHO, the only way to get a real responce to this hijacked thread is from someone that has no monetary or sponcership commitment to any of the boats. the AAA's are the best judges. Rick G.

Ray L. · Post by **Ray L.** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:23 am

Finally someone with a good viewpoint.
The reason I didn't get in this thread in the first place is because first I am sposored by Legend and of course I am going to promote my boat first and foremost. A.A.A.'S have been the best judge over the years but you also need to remember driver ability. There are many good boats out there but not many good boat drivers.
I was fortunate enough a few years back to ride with the best Bass Boat driver around at the time, Bob Simmons. He drove a Champion and was incredible to drive with and a great teacher on boat handling. He taught me a lot of driving skill and I will never be able to pay him back for those lessons.
By the way back to the original subject. Good luck with all the effort you have put into the Open Hutch. I hope it is even more successfull than in years past.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:08 pm

I think Rick hit the nail on the head about AAA's. Reading all the post from biased viewpoints was pretty funny. I think Pete and Tom, you guys were the only ones that gave detailed info that somehow favored your boat maker. Some opions I have experienced as a AAA were true and some "bad points" were simply made up. I believe when you have a boat thats worthy you should let the boat do the talking. If I'm like most people I get turned off when a sponcered angler bashes another boat maker, especially when the buyer knows thats not the case. No one boat has all the answers and I think deep down you know that.

L

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:51 pm

Ray,

My legend will be prettier looking than your legend.

The LE-21 I have been driving this past year rides just the same as the champ 206 in the big stuff (4 foot +) except the legend can go through them at a higher rate of speed and on the slack water it's faster. Although the champ sure is a nice boat.

But then again my opinion is biased. I rode in a Z21 with a 250 Verado this past weekend in some 3 footers and it rode well but not nearly as good as the Legend or Champion.

But then again my opinion might be biased.

If your spending over 30K on a boat you better be getting a high quality product. Each boat has positives and negatives. It's up to the buyer which one he wants.

For me, I'll stick with my Alpha 199

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:03 pm

Kevin,

Did you finally get it?? PICS please

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:11 pm

Nope not the 199 but I hear it's leaving the factory this week, they were waiting on those darn hummingbirds. When I get a pic of it I will post one for you. They are saying it is the best looking one they popped out to date, sure can't wait.

Until then I am still running the LE-21 with a 240HPDI, now that is a gas hog but sips the oil.

Kevin

Mike Phua · Post by **Mike Phua** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:42 pm

People buy what appeals to them and what they can afford. Telling someone their boat is a piece of $hit is insulting their taste.

We all come from different income levels that's why we have such a huge selection to choose from, from Tracker to Ranger and everything in between.

So next time you guys need Boat advice call Pete Marino he must be the new authority in Boat Buying today. He's been in the business longer than I have.

MP

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:47 pm

P.M.'s. Boat Sales?

Mike Phua wrote:People buy what appeals to them and what they can afford. Telling someone their boat is a piece of $hit is insulting their taste.

We all come from different income levels that's why we have such a huge selection to choose from, from Tracker to Ranger and everything in between.

So next time you guys need Boat advice call Pete Marino he must be the new authority in Boat Buying today. He's been in the business longer than I have. MP

Pete Marino · Post by **Pete Marino** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:08 pm

I'm supposed to talk about the good things and bad things about different boats yet NOT talk about the qualities that are good on a Skeeter??? Am I reading that right? If so.....you need to go back and reread my post. I CLEARLY stated that the BEST all round boat out there was the CHAMPION. And the last time I went into my garage...there was a Skeeter in there.

Tom was the one that had his boat at the top of his list of "best boats".
Yeah I listed some of Skeeters high points , BUT, I also had the bad as well. Or did you not read the whole thing. I also said that............."the Triton was a very fast boat on calm water", and that BassCat was a "fast boat and had a nice stable fishing platform"...as far as the Rangers...I clearly said that they had good speed and they are a company that are offering alot of incentives that are bringing in alot of business.
The only boat that I actually "bashed" as you put it is Bullet because I said I'd never buy one. But I listed good and bad things about each of the boats I mentioned. Some have more bad things about them then good...
I'm sorry if you read things you didnt want to read just before you go out and make a huge investment on a boat (Ranger or Triton)that I may have said something negative about.
If you are looking at a Ranger.....I'm sorry to say...but its true...THEY ARE FRICKIN EXPENSIVE. That is a fact.
If you are looking into a Skeeter the are not the best in rough water......THATS A FACT!
If you are looking for a Nitro...they arent very good in rough water and they fall apart.......Thats a fact!!
If you are looking for a Triton......they rock and roll on the water like crazy when its rough..THATS A FACT!!!
All of the boats have their good things and their bad things about them.
I'm not being biased, I'm stating what I believe is true about each of the boats from experience.
Question?? If I'm being biased about Skeeter....why in the heck would I say that they are not the best boat in rough water and WHY would I straight out say that Champion is the best all round boat out there...once again I'll say it again just in case you skipped over it earlier in this post....I DONT OWN A CHAMPION, MUCH LESS AM I SPONSORED BY CHAMPION yet I place them on the TOP of my list....hmmmmm

That doesnt seem like I'm being biased to me.
People on here may disagree about some of the good and bad qualities I listed about the different boats but I think overall my opinions are pretty accurate for the most part.
Kyle disagreed with me about me saying that Ranger didnt have a good fishing platform. I'm just comparing it to the boat that I feel has the best platform..and that is the Skeeter. Maybe I shouldnt have said it "doesnt have a good fishing platform" I should have just said the fishing platform is good but not the best in my opinion.
But thats like me saying that Skeeter doesnt ride well in rough water....I'm comparing it to the best boat for rough water which is Champion. Compared to a Champion....A Skeeter ISNT the Best boat in rough water......I can accept that.
Maybe YOU should accept the fact that the boat you are about to buy may not be the best boat in every catagory.....there is NO perfect boat.

Pete

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:23 pm

My boat is perfect!

Pete Marino · Post by **Pete Marino** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:28 pm

I just gave my opinion on some of the boats I know about.

I know I know...you are rich and can afford ANY boat on the market. And if its not the right boat you can sell it, take a loss and go buy another rig. Some guys dont have that "Luxury" that you rich boat salesmen have. When "most" guys go out and buy a boat they are stuck with it for a long time so its good for them to know other peoples opinions on different boats before they make an investment they may regret later.
I never claimed to be the "all knowing" boat guy....I'm just sharing my "average guys" opinion on different boats based on what I know from experience.
I guess since you got 2nd at the FLW and because you sell high end pleasure boats, you think you can mock me for my opinion.......whatever dude!!!

Pete

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:35 pm

You tell him Pete! lol. We all know who makes the best boat for us! It is the one in the garage or the one hooked up to my suv!

Pete Marino wrote:I just gave my opinion on some of the boats I know about.

I know I know...you are rich and can afford ANY boat on the market. And if its not the right boat you can sell it, take a loss and go buy another rig. Some guys dont have that "Luxury" that you rich boat salesmen have. When "most" guys go out and buy a boat they are stuck with it for a long time so its good for them to know other peoples opinions on different boats before they make an investment they may regret later.
I never claimed to be the "all knowing" boat guy....I'm just sharing my "average guys" opinion on different boats based on what I know from experience.
I guess since you got 2nd at the FLW and because you sell high end pleasure boats, you think you can mock me for my opinion.......whatever dude!!!

Pete

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:43 pm

for Hollywood, Ray L, and Tom Leogrande. If you were NOT getting a deal on those Legends and were paying the RETAIL price for those boats would that be the boat you would purchase? Please try and be HONEST. Because usually the $ talks and the BS walks. My understanding is a Legend at RETAIL with a 225-250pro xs is in the 50-54k range. Would you pay the same for a Legend as a Ranger? No ego-strokin Pro staff deals, just a regular guy deal. Rick G.

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:00 pm

Rick G,

The same question could be asked of all your "Pro Staffers" sporting the Rangers. If they wern't getting your "Ego Stroking - Pro Staffer deals, getting groverized" would they be touting the same? And it wasn't many years ago that I was working at Sun Country and you were bashing the fine products that Ranger put out! Now look, #1 Ranger dealer in the U.S. and you used to trash there products!

After driving a Legend and seeing what the company is all about and seeing the quality product they deliver and the ease of talking to the guys at the factory yes I would buy one without the as you call it "Ego Stroking - Pro Staff Deals" It's not like I can call up Irwin at Genmar or Keith Daffron at Ranger and ask him a question on my boat, but I can with Legend.

And as far as my deal is, I left a free ride this year to run a Legend that I will have to sell.

There are many great boats out there and as long as Legend keeps doing what they are doing and building the boats us "anglers" want to see then I will continue ordering and promoting there fine boats.

Kevin

PS. Your understanding of the Legend retail pricing is not that accurate.

Ray L. · Post by **Ray L.** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:32 pm

Schneider Fishing · Post by **Schneider Fishing** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:36 pm

I was a AAA for a while. In some respects, I still am. I do not and did not have a pro staff deal when I decided to buy my first fiberglass bassboat. Prior to making my purchase I rode in Nitros, Rangers, Champions, Skeeters, Basscats, Bullets and Trition while a AAA.
If I were to hit the pro/am trail and had to buy my own boat I would get a Ranger because of the incentives. All of these boats have good points and those areas that could be better.

I bought a Champion. I bought the Champion because of the rough water advantage. If I was to buy another it would be the Champion 200 Elite.

Ray L. · Post by **Ray L.** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:37 pm

It was a very tough decission for me. I am going to be honest.
I love Champion and still do to this day. I have never been a Ranger or any other boat guy Skeeter and Triton included. I was a Champ guy. If I did not get the Legend Deal I would have probably still been a Champ guy. You should know that Rick. I still tell many guys to Ride and Decide.
Yes I am a Legend Pro Staffer and always try to talk to guys about the boat and show the good qualities of the boat. It is a new boat to many in S. Cal. so I get a lot of questions about the boat and am always happy to answer. I also get a lot of guys asking what I rode in before. I always tell them a Champ and am very proud of the fact I was in a Champ. The next question almost allways is how do they compare. The truth is they are very comparible in rides. One of the major differences right now are the bells and whistles and also the details. Also being able to work direct with the factory is so easy and they make you feel welcome. Champ was like that in many ways when it was not owned by Genmar.
Don't get me wrong I am glad Genmar took them over because I would hate to see such a great boat not being made and not offered to the public.
Heck to this day my wife still wears much of her Champion gear. She also now wears Legend gear but her jacket still comes out all the time. She also loved the champion ride but says the Legend ride is very tough to compare because the rides are so close. The 1 thing she does like better is the fade out on the gel coat. She thinks it is so original. I am going to let her help with the new color combo for the next boat so it will be fun working on colors with my wife again.
Well you wanted some honesty there you have it. It may be a little politically correct but it is an honest answer.

Mike Phua · Post by **Mike Phua** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:15 pm

Pete tell me whose and when the last time you were in a Ranger Z boat and tell me whose I series Skeeter you fished out of. Whose new 183, 190, 200 or 210 Champion you've been in lately.................EXACTLY!

Pete with the baby coming your starting to become a softy. Relax baby. I wasn't mocking you I just wondered where you went to school to evalute bass boats so well. I was actually hoping maybe you could come down to the shop and teach me. I'm hoping the pointers you give me will help add to my bank account. Take a chill pill.

Hollywood I don't even know who you are. Nor do I really care. You could go kick rocks for all I care. MP

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:29 pm

Careful Pete, the big man on campus has spoken.....

Mike Phua wrote:Pete tell me whose and when the last time you were in a Ranger Z boat and tell me whose I series Skeeter you fished out of. Whose new 183, 190, 200 or 210 Champion you've been in lately.................EXACTLY!

Pete with the baby coming your starting to become a softy. Relax baby. I wasn't mocking you I just wondered where you went to school to evalute bass boats so well. I was actually hoping maybe you could come down to the shop and teach me. I'm hoping the pointers you give me will help add to my bank account. Take a chill pill.

Hollywood I don't even know who the Fu.cK you are. Nor do I really care. You could go kick rocks for all I care. MP

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:39 pm

Hey Rick - Well I was off this topic - but, since you asked....

I think the retail on my boat is low 40's and Heck Yes I would buy this boat... If I could afford it!

In fact, I am in the works of trying to find a way to buy this boat outright and own it for good.. Rather than get rid of it, because I honestly love it that much! That is the truth... I would WITHOUT HESITATION buy one tomorrow for full price!

If I couldn't say that and mean it 150% then I would never be able to tell a friend of mine or even a person I don't even know to spend their hard earned money on one!! If my dad was buying a boat tomorrow and had enough to buy any boat on the market - I would have no problem telling him that he'd be best buying a Legend. The day I don't believe that, is the day I stop fishing from one!

I have never and will never tell someone to buy something that is not the best value for their dollar. I can't and won't do that to my name. If I say something, you can bet your *** that I believe 100% for that to be true, period!

For instance: I have a certain sponsor that has one part of their product line that isn't the best for the $$$... and I don't tell people to buy that product line. In fact, I straight told the head cheese of that company that they need to get with it or get out when it comes to that particular product line! I won't say who or what product.. but, you will never hear me tell someone to buy it! In fact, Dave Rush and Bernie Gaunt were standing right there when I showed him a comparable product that I thought was far superior to what they were offering.

Another thing is with a little work I could probably get a similar deal with other boat companies. Not that I am a superstar (I am definitely not) but, my deal isn't exactly stellar (However, I am not complaining) and many boat companies would jump at it for the added exposure of the magazine. I wouldn't do that because the only other boat I really love would be a Champion and I don't think they want or need me. And I love the fact I can call Dean Smith or Randy Qualls and give them my input. In fact I called Dean and said - I really think you ought to add a handle for the passenger between the passenger seat and middle seat and less then a month later they are in every boat they deliver! That's just one of the 4 or 5 things that they have changed that I recommended! I love having that kind of input with a company. I am sure Ray and Hollywood have the same sort of input! I bet damn Ray got my handle... your welcome Ray... I haven't got one, but I bet I could in 1 call. I am NOT an expert at fishing or boating, but I AM very smart and can see small things that would make life nice on a boat!

THe short answer would be YES!

Don't get me wrong Rick - Your Rangers and your Champions and all the other boats have their qualities and most are FANTASTIC... but, for me its Legend as long as they want me and continue to make a high quality boat (as they are now) and I would feel good about myself telling my best friend or dad they should buy with their hard earned cash!

My team partner has an I-series SKeeter and its a great boat as well.

DL · Post by DL » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:45 pm

I bought my Nitro in 2000 because I did not have the cake to buy a Ranger. And I figured this would be the last boat I would buy...man was I wrong. I knew Nitro was the lessser boat and the price reflected it. But it got me on the water and mostly to where I am today. I have had zero problems with the boat, less a broken steering cable that I changed to hydraulic few years back. That alone made it feel and drive like a new boat.

I have ridden in most makes and they are all different in their own ways. There is no way to have the perfect boat, makers have to sacrifice somewhere and decide on the ride, stability, speed etc. We all know this going in and make a decision on what we want in a boat. Mine was the price. And my next choice will have alot to do with price as well as incentive programs and which one will benefit me in the long run. Anyone that knows me knows I have been fishing out of Matt's Cat for three seasons and I think the package with the Cat is complete. On the other hand, I wanted a Ranger from the day I bought my Nitro, so we will have to see which way I go. This insight is from a team tournament honk, and from someone that bases his purchase power on what the boat will do for him and how much is going to cost him to get it .

You all sound like a bunch of twelve year old girls talking about who has the best cell phone....

Mike Phua · Post by **Mike Phua** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:54 pm

DL That was a good one at the end. I was just joking with Pete and he knows I was. We all make fun of eachother on this forum and I took my chance cause this had something to do with what I do for a living. I love you Pete. You know I'm just clownin' ya. I don't want you to be mad at me cause I wanna keep taking your money at poker. MP

By the way my cell phone is better!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:56 pm

As cell phones go... I F'N hate mine! Anyone want to answer it 100 times a day all day????? If these things cause cancer my life insurance is the best investment I have!

Pete Marino · Post by **Pete Marino** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:29 pm

You come off as such an boner sometimes.
Again, when did I say I was the "all knowing" boat guy?
Ahhh...right around..NEVER! Yes I've ridden in Rangers, Champs, Tritons, Nitros, Skeeters (no not the i class ), and Bullets. I dont think that I've ridden in a Z boat. BUT I never said I've been in every model from every manufacturer. I am basing my opinion on the boats I've been in, in general. And never did I say otherwise. I dont need to ride in a Z boat to say that they are expensive do I? I've never said the Z boat was a piece of cr.ap, nor any boat for that matter. But I've been in other newer Rangers and thats what I based my opinion on as far as fishablity and handling goes. I've based my opinion on the lineups as a whole. Same with Champion, Triton, Skeeter, Nitro and Bullett.

Why are you trying to act like YOU know all there is to know about every model boat from every manufacturer?
Bro..you sell pleasure boats....cmon get over yourself.
I'm sorry you take such offense to my comments, being the all knowing boat salesman and Professional Bass fisherman with unlimited funds who also owns Z boat that you are. I should have known you'd have something to call me out on.
You read something you dont agree with and you rip into me and mock me for speaking my opinion.
I've had a bad day leave me alone....

I hate you Mike Phua..

That being said...I'll see you friday night for poker....

OUT

Pete

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:32 pm

Thanks Ray for your honesty. That I can respect. Tom, I am glad you are passionate for your sponcers product, that is what makes good prostaffers. As for Kevin, I can tell by your attack that you have proved my point exactly. If you remember anything from your boat selling days it is that the ONLY real measurement of true boat sales and the strength of any Mfg, is the amount of product sold at retail. What the average, hard working American will spend his $ on. With that point, just like DL says most Bassfishermen at some point want to own a Ranger no matter what the price. And as Mike Phua will tell you as a world class boatsalesmen, its all about retail sales. It pays for all the fun and games. By the way Kevin, you can call Keith Daffron. 870-453-2222. You should take a lesson from Ray Kevin, you will go much farther in this industry by being humble at times. Rick G.

Pete Marino · Post by **Pete Marino** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:42 pm

Thanks for the sweep ahole.
I hate you too AND those Angels......God Its been a bad couple days!!!!
Dont get to happy , they lost tonight sucka!!!
My cell phone rules so shut up...except for when Phua or Brian L. are lighting it up!!

Pete

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:28 pm

Rick,

There was no attact on you just asked the same questions you asked the guys who run legends to the guys you have running rangers and the other brands you market and sell. I've never attacked you, if you recall Ive tried to move some of your boats for you over here but I never got the pictures for the guys who wanted them. I have no reason to attack you nor did I ever say anything bad about Ranger, as for Keith Daffron, It was meant that the average customer can't just call him, that's rangers direct number, if I really wanted to get a hold of him I could call his cell phone or just email him directly, that is becuase we are friends but the average joe can't call and say hey keith, did you guys stamp my boat a 08 or 07.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:42 am

But you still have not answered the question. So, by your insistence on reversing the question it is obvious that Kevin Johnson would not buy a Legend at the retail price. Thats all I was asking. Nuf said. Rick G.

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:46 am

Rick you are out of your own mind! Come back to earth and re-read my response. But incase you dont want to here is a little part of it! I don't know how much clearer I could of made it,

"After driving a Legend and seeing what the company is all about and seeing the quality product they deliver and the ease of talking to the guys at the factory yes I would buy one without the as you call it "Ego Stroking - Pro Staff Deals" It's not like I can call up Irwin at Genmar or Keith Daffron at Ranger and ask him a question on my boat, but I can with Legend. "

Rick G wrote:But you still have not answered the question. So, by your insistence on reversing the question it is obvious that Kevin Johnson would not buy a Legend at the retail price. Thats all I was asking. Nuf said. Rick G.

DL · Post by DL » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:09 am

No problem Pete, but Weaver was less than stellar last night. This is going to be an up and down year for sure.

Phua, I figured you guys were giving it to each other...errr...having fun. It just seems there a guys on this board that dont, and I think mr. ponting and I are the only ones that stick up for Nitro