Basstrix Swimbaits

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:38 pm

what are your thoughts on them? I just had a custom mold made that is pretty close with some of my mods to it... mainly bigger.

I'll never be able to do the double dipping they do. Or at least i havent thought about taking the time. I should be able to get them really close though.

Im just hoping I didnt waste my $$ on a custom mold that isnt that great.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:21 pm

I hope it is your design, because the Gentleman that owns Basstrix, Bruce Porter is a small businessman who has designed a good product that I hope does not get ripped off. Rick G.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:45 pm

its definately my design. I think it looks more like a threadfin but I guess I'll test it. He makes them like you make a tube. I am making it like you pour a bait. There is a night and day difference in them.
Not to start anything... but there are a MILLION paddletail type baits out there. The addition of some airbrushed scales, and an eye is nothing groundbreaking.

Im not gonna sell any. And to be honest if I did... I wouldnt be selling them for 7.50 a piece like some do.....

drew · Post by **drew** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:19 pm

Unfortunately Basstrix did not cover the market well and there are now 2-3 companies producing similar products that will be available in the next few weeks. I believe the market will be covered fairly well and maybe saturated.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:31 pm

i agree with you. There are too many swimbaits and he has a LOT of work into each bait. Its dipped, airbrushed then dipped again.... thats way to much work competing against robots of ZOOM etc.

Im trying to build a shelf full of molds to make my own stuff. I have fun doing it and don't sell the baits. I needed a swimbait and figured that a larger tube swimbait would be the ticket. If anything I give them away.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:56 pm

Same thing happen to the Senko. Bottom line is the original is always the best. Seen the Fred Ward copy, and it does not swim anywhere as good as the Basstrix. Also heard the #1 Pirates of all time, BPS, are coming out with a Basstrix copycat line. Rick G.

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:59 pm

Rick,
If that's true, why do we keep having kids?

drew · Post by **drew** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:27 pm

I tend to agree that original products are usually better. Although second best is better then nothing. Basstrix should have covered the market better or licensed the product/name to someone with a larger infrastructure.

drew · Post by **drew** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:28 pm

double posts suck

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:18 pm

Well, the guy had them out for years and nobody bought them. Now you cant get a pack. Funny thing this business. Rick G.

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:35 pm

Rick, don't forget who the original wormpirates are.

DL · Post by DL » Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:17 pm

That would be Team Dead Money.....

Oh wait...that's the other kind of Pirate

DanWarme · Post by **DanWarme** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:27 pm

drew wrote: Basstrix should have covered the market better or licensed the product/name to someone with a larger infrastructure.

I suggested to Bruce that he add another shift of workers but I guess he feels he can't train them properly that way. There is a lot of hand-work involved and bringing new workers in one at a time insures that they make them right.
The big boys really aren't set up to make baits they way he makes them. They won't mess with it on his terms. Far to little profit in it. There will be a bunch of injected clones that will be hitting the market, but they won't look as good and probably won't swim as well either.
Unfortunately in our sport/business, there seems to be a disproportionate number of lowlifes who, lacking talent or creativity, prefer to steal ideas than come up with their own. One only has to look at the knock offs that have come off of such baits as the Gitzit, Spider Jig, Sluggo, Senko, and Basstrix to see who the copycats are. A couple of the worst are huge in the business with deep pockets that make any legal battle prohibitively expensive. Particularly for the small producers, (who invented almost every bait mentioned originally)
The rest of the bottom dwellers are small time. Way to numerous to battle all of them, and most don't have enough to make suing them worthwhile. Such is the glamourous tackle business.
(would love to see someone go after one of the big boys and win though. That would change some things real quick.)

drew · Post by **drew** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:20 pm

Do these original companies actually have a legal right to sue? If I make an exact copy of a bait that is not patented could the original manufacture sue me?

It seems that the manufacturer might have benefited by invested in the services of a manufacturing engineer.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:51 pm

its REALLY hard to copyright a plastic fish... you can copyright things that are not real, IE sweet beavers, brush hogs. You can't copyright a living creature.
All you can do is beat them too it.
As far as my making a bait FOR ME TO USE, that has a paddletail and will be filled with my own scent... the only resemblence is that mine will be hollow... and have a paddle tail.

FYI: anyone can make it swim just as good, and look just as good.
As far as looks... it depends on how much labor you want to put in it.
Sorry but im not planning on his labor. Im making a throwaway plastic.
Personally I dont think he did a good job with the distribution and making it, but then again, im guessin no one can tell him anything.

If my personal one works great... great im not selling it, if anything I'd give a few away but i dont want to sell or get in the business. its fun to make plastics and catch fish on what you make.
Oh and mine is a flat topas well.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:55 pm

oh and just about anything will catch fish. I wouldn't say any guy who threw a mold together broke any new ground. I have made some stuff that I caught fish on, its just not worth it to spend hours and hours and hours making plastics so I can get 20 cents a worm.

drew · Post by **drew** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:43 pm

I agree a copyright would offer no protection. What about a utility or design patent? The function might be unique or the shape might be artistic. Without a patent anyone can copy and retail the design. The name could easily be protected at anytime, but once the protect goes to market without a patent it is fair game.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:41 pm

I dont know how that works. I think there has to be a major uniqueness to it or there would be no competition. Im telling you guys we'd be paying 45.00 a sweet beaver or worm if that happened.

Same with rods or line.

Now in this case the BASSTRIX most likely won't be copied that hard, they are too time consuming to make, they arent super special. The amount of work he is putting into a PLASTIC is amazing.

KVD says he won on sexy shad, and thats all he used to catch fish this past Major, guess what he had 2 fish in the photo gallery on a black and blue jig.

As far as plastics goes. Its about 80-150 for custom molds, 10-20 for standard molds. plastic is about 15-20 a gallon. Seeing its a hand pour you are heating plastic and pouring for hours. Most guys order about 100+ from the guys I know that pour, its way too much time for too little gain to do it. Im way to anal about my colors and over pours to make any money. It would never be worth it to me.

DanWarme · Post by **DanWarme** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:48 pm

Pred wrote "its REALLY hard to copyright a plastic fish... "

You can't copyright a product at all.

Copyright is for written works.

Patents are for products, and processes, formulas, that sort of thing. Lots of patented baits get patented and still copied. Sluggo is a classic example. Part of the problem is that you can't patent a shape. The next problem is having the deep enough pockets to defend your patent. You have to bring suit to defend your product. try doing that to 100 or so copycats at a time.

Quite possibly a better route would be to trade mark your bait which would protect a shape and design. (I'm no lawyer so I'm not sure it is possible). But you still have the problem of protecting your designs in court. The only ones worth going after would be Pure Fishing or BPS for example, someone like that who has deep pockets to sue. Unfortunately, you have to be willing to spend what they would spend on a legal battle. Not something the little guy can do too often. You also would most likely have to sue everyone copying you or your case would get tossed because of selective enforcement.

Isn't the legal system fun???

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:40 pm

No I dont think the legal system is bad. Its doing exactly what its supposed to. Sorry about the mistake on copy/patent.

You think fishing is hard now? Wait till you have 1 guy ONLY allowed to make X product. The days of 6 dollar bags of worms would be talked about by grandfathers.
You are talking 6 bucks a WORM. Yeah for a little while you'd make some money but after you drained every fisherman dry and destroyed the sport... it would be all over.

Look at basstrix now... on ebay they are selling for 25$ PLUS for 3.

They make enough money per worm now. Noone needs to make 5000X what it costs to make. I can sell the stuff I make for about 500X what it costs. trouble is I'd only make a few bucks.

Best thing to do, get a bait go to a big name and sell the mold.

gunnie2 · Post by **gunnie2** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:56 am

Seriously, when was the last time you seen BPS come out with an original product?? Every bait they sale is a knock off of some other bait.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:07 pm

I You can only recreate the wheel so many times. One other thing is that MOST of the companies out there buy a mold from a little guy for a few bucks and then produce it.
Why is it that Senko from Gary Y. are 50cents a piece and BPS sells them for 30 cents?
For about 20 bucks I can make you about 700 senkos... Contrary to popular belief there is nothing a senko can do that I can't make it do. And actually I can make mine do it a whole lot better and not tear up as fast. I've heard people say things about the way it falls etc... hook placement alone can destroy any thing you put in it.

lastly If you are in the pouring business to make your millions..... wrong career choice. There is always someone willing to take less per worm than you... Gary Y wants 50 cents for a .3 cent worm. Of course you can add in all costs... electric, labor ,startup costs etc and sponsorship and according to the IRS he is losing money hand over fist. But in reality he is making 47 cents per worm.
BPS is willing to accept 27 cents per worm. THATS THE DIFFERENCE.

If you make a product thats cheap enough that its not WORTH IT for someone to copy they WONT COPY IT. Why dont you see a ton of Brush Hog copies? as in the BPS version with a little different tail? Because ZOOM makes it so cheap that the BPS version would be about 10 cents LESS A BAG than the ZOOM.

Its not like Walmart thats willing to break even to drive you out of business. No, bass pro is taking the stand that they will make the same thing for less money. It should be a lesson to the guy that figures to make a huge profit on one bait.
Plastic sales is a VOLUME business, you make money on how many baits you sell. NOT how much per worm

rico · Post by **rico** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:00 am

Rick G wrote:I hope it is your design, because the Gentleman that owns Basstrix, Bruce Porter is a small businessman who has designed a good product that I hope does not get ripped off. Rick G.

Fred Ward has made a copy that has a hollow body. It was just released

afdean · Post by **afdean** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:09 am

Yeah, since that first Ford was built there sure have been a lot of cheap, knockoff copies flooding the market! I understand not wanting to see the originator losing out on his profit, but certainly if no one else makes the bait eventually supply and demand will either run most of these guys into the ground or they will begin charging prices that most guys can't pay for a bait. I don't think Andre Moore is going to go broke anytime soon, and I know for sure Gary Yamamoto is NOT poor either. What we have now are options which still include buying the original senko and sweet beaver. Just my two cents...

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:08 am

"Plastic Pirates" is one of the reasons that Andre Moore of R/Innovations does not show his products at the ICAST show anymore. Hard to blame him. As a Tackle store owner the only way we can help protect the original Mfg's lines is by not buying the copycats. Ken Huddleston is the best example, he still comes out with fresh stuff, people try and copy it, but his stuff still sells like hotcakes because it has the "right stuff" to make it work better than the imitations. Have thrown the Ward copy and it is NO BASSTRIX. Listen, we struggle to keep the Basstrix stuff in stock, and when it comes in we try and limit the quantities sold to 1 person so everyone gets some. But IMHO a little of the best is worth more than a load of crap. Rick G.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:01 pm

Rick you should really start pouring your own baits. You'll quickly see what the problem is.

Its a time consuming process that requires VOLUME. So many little guys want to make a product that requires little time and they make a killing. 99% of the stuff is a scam anyway. Granted I'll give them the swimbait deal, but adding appendages to everything and getting a pro to credit you is the way to go.
Its like KVD and his great sexy shad, I know for a fact he didnt catch every fish that he said on sexy shad, but who cares.

Ask youself why ZOOM never gets copied.... because zoom prices their stuff so that its too cheap for someone to copy.
Its not worth it to copy a brushhog because its 3 bucks for 10. I'm not buying a 2x sided mold for a cheap product.

As far as it "not fishing" like the "original" have you gotten in your scuba gear and followed the bait? Have you truly compared the 2 or is this another one of those "Senkos are the only ones that fall right"
total load of baloney, why? because the hook placement will change that. The reason a senko falls apart is that its so full of salt it tears up. Thats another reason its successful because it falls so fast.
Anyway, thanks for supporting a little guy. But till the little guy realizes he isnt gonna make it trying to make it all back via ONE bait, he needs HUNDREDS.
Till then I'll stick to my worms craws and such, They are plently successful for me and I dont need to "fall" for the latest appendage covered thing that someone is able to "hook" the angler.

Lets not forget the that the little guy aint as bad off as it seems. Its a win win , for the store and the pourer, if there can be some hype generated and people swearing that "its no XXX brand"

Again, like people fighting about boat brands, its always an opinion. Its not something truly tested in the exact same conditions, same speed etc.
I could see if this was the "first of its kind" swimbait. Its not anything specail.
It is however a cash cow for the tackle store and pourer if its done right.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:17 pm

My feeling is that if somebody wants to be in the Plastic business bad enough to copy someone, why dont they just fork over the bucks and buy out the original mfg. Then you get the best designs and the person that thought them up gets his times worth. My .02 Doesn't Berkley have enough $ to at least pay Roboworm for using their worms names? Rick G.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:13 pm

did it ever occur to you that some people DO make up their own stuff? YOu know how many people have copied MY stuff? Do I care? NOPE, I dont sell it. I make it for FUN

You think these little guys are so saintly. Yet i know a few havent been exactly kind to the guys that originally came up with the design, but THEY had the money and the "tool" and took the credit.

As far as this basstrix BS goes, I could care less. Its to bad his business mind didnt match his molding mind. Mine happens to have a paddletail. And 3D eyes.

If you can't play with the big boys... dont play. Dont come to the game without a full lineup and the product to back it up and except to stay in the bigs. Then whine that the big boys are tearing you up. I know this one guy that makes some kickbutt cranks, it takes him a week to paint one and it looks JUST like a fish. He at least has the brains to NOT attempt to go insane and try to play with the big boys, he can't sell enough, nor make them fast enough so he wont try. And doesnt care.

Going to market attempting to create demand by having a limited supply is exactly what gets your stuff copied. because people are trying to get the product and YOU cant deliver so they go to who can.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:15 pm

I guess everyone has the right to decide what he wants out of his own business. Thats the American Way. Hope you catch the heck out of them on your own stuff, and thanks for supporting the little guy. Rick G.

idahobass · Post by **idahobass** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:35 pm

Dear Pred,

I know the truth, as I was the original prodical son of the lure.The bait that you are trying to reproduce is Not the bait that I caught all of those great bass on at Perris.My name is Mike Gash and I know the truth behind behind the bait. I know exactly which baits Byron used at Clear lake as I had them sent to him prior to the tournament. I have nothing to hide anymore as I have left that life and have moved to Idaho,the land of big mule deer and sturgeon.I will tell all from the begining to end,truthfully,with God as my witness,from the day I caught my my first big bass on the bait to the last.I will tell you exactly which model and size, only it's it's really late and I'm tired from hunting deer in extremely high elevations.Give me a day or two and I will tell everyone the truth.

God Bless,

Mike Gash AKA- The Perris King

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:51 pm

Pred,

You are wrong about zoom not being copied, Zoom was copied by a company in the usa and its sister company here in Japan last year. Zoom took the law to them and won. They bait has thus been pulled from being sold except on many shelves in japan and changed and being marketed under a slightly different name!

I guess that shows, don't copy the big boys cause they will take down someone just as big!

Pred wrote:Rick you should really start pouring your own baits. You'll quickly see what the problem is.

Its a time consuming process that requires VOLUME. So many little guys want to make a product that requires little time and they make a killing. 99% of the stuff is a scam anyway. Granted I'll give them the swimbait deal, but adding appendages to everything and getting a pro to credit you is the way to go.
Its like KVD and his great sexy shad, I know for a fact he didnt catch every fish that he said on sexy shad, but who cares.

Ask youself why ZOOM never gets copied.... because zoom prices their stuff so that its too cheap for someone to copy.
Its not worth it to copy a brushhog because its 3 bucks for 10. I'm not buying a 2x sided mold for a cheap product.

As far as it "not fishing" like the "original" have you gotten in your scuba gear and followed the bait? Have you truly compared the 2 or is this another one of those "Senkos are the only ones that fall right"
total load of baloney, why? because the hook placement will change that. The reason a senko falls apart is that its so full of salt it tears up. Thats another reason its successful because it falls so fast.
Anyway, thanks for supporting a little guy. But till the little guy realizes he isnt gonna make it trying to make it all back via ONE bait, he needs HUNDREDS.
Till then I'll stick to my worms craws and such, They are plently successful for me and I dont need to "fall" for the latest appendage covered thing that someone is able to "hook" the angler.

Lets not forget the that the little guy aint as bad off as it seems. Its a win win , for the store and the pourer, if there can be some hype generated and people swearing that "its no XXX brand"

Again, like people fighting about boat brands, its always an opinion. Its not something truly tested in the exact same conditions, same speed etc.
I could see if this was the "first of its kind" swimbait. Its not anything specail.
It is however a cash cow for the tackle store and pourer if its done right.

idahobass · Post by **idahobass** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:03 am

I just read my post and must correct it. I did catch numerous big bass on Bruce's original bait.The only problem was that the bait had a tendency to roll.Really bad. Too much bait, not enough tail. The tail was too small.I soon learned that Bruce had made a heavier bait for a halibut fisherman in Alaska. It had a larger tail and was too heavy "at the time" for most people too throw(5 oz).
That was the bait that I roped them later on. I'll tell you more as soon as I get some sleep.Buy the way,the bait that we crushed them on was not available to the public at that time.It was the name they were buying no matter what I told them.

Love ya,

MIke G

idahobass · Post by **idahobass** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:12 am

I'm sorry, after Hollywood's post, maybe I won't step in this hot poop.This is the reason I never get involved.I thought we were talking about the Basstrix?I was going to give you a real life history from the horses mouth.Later guy's I'm going hunting.

MIke G

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:33 am

id like to hear the story mike, you can email it to me. always looking for some good swimbait stories....

i was replying to preds post about zoom never getting copied.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:25 pm

Ok, then explain why I had a brush hog mold... I got rid of it because it wasnt cost effective. I can buy them for 2.39 for 10. Its not worth making. Here is another key, dont make the same size. if you take an inch away you can copy anything. Zoom makes stuff and sells it SO cheap it is NOT WORTH copying..... What am I or BPS gonna sell it for ... 1.99 a bag?

Next... im not trying to COPY BASSTRIX. I have a bait with a paddletail that is shiner like.

I have some plans for it and will send guys a few to try once I figure it out.

I will stand by the fact, that very few of these "little" guys make up the design. Most borrow, it from guys they know and reap the rewards. There are 2-3 colors of a certain lure that have done a 100% change because of my designs in BPS right now.
I frankly don't care, but will add that this individual that took the idea ending up losing in the long run.... But Im sure his side is one of complete sadness and pain about how he was taken for a ride by a copycat big gun

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:27 pm

Rick G wrote:I hope it is your design, because the Gentleman that owns Basstrix, Bruce Porter is a small businessman who has designed a good product that I hope does not get ripped off. Rick G.

Wow... this could get interesting if what Idaho says is true.......I guess it would be Karma though.

Alex M. · Post by **Alex M.** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:25 pm

Bottom line is this.
1. Most bass fisherman are all about the small independent company and giving these guys their hard earned money as opposed to some oversized corporation(ie; BPS and other knock offs).
2. Most bass fisherman have a line drawn as to how much they will actually pay for something, regardless of the necessity or demand.

Thats when immitators that can produce something similar at a cheaper rate come into play. Easy as that. Whos gonna pay like $30 for a 3-pack of basstrix on Ebay, when they can get the knockoff that does almost the exact same thing: http://www.histackleboxshop.com/Rainbow ... -lures.htm
for $8. Its just common sense and the frugalness of the bass angler to act as such. Can you blame us? I would love to use only basstrix, but at what price? Do you REALLY need basstrix(or similar baits) that bad anyway?

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:12 pm

The sister company of Tru-Tungstun, Picasso-Black Market Baits has a knockoff Brushog that is an exact copy of Zoom, but with their own colors and Smelly Jelly in them. I think that they have a deal with Zoom and that Zoom makes them for Picasso. Thats ok, IMHO. Rick G.

Pred · Post by **Pred** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:50 pm

Rick G wrote:The sister company of Tru-Tungstun, Picasso-Black Market Baits has a knockoff Brushog that is an exact copy of Zoom, but with their own colors and Smelly Jelly in them. I think that they have a deal with Zoom and that Zoom makes them for Picasso. Thats ok, IMHO. Rick G.

I'll try this again and I mean NO OFFENSE

meant.... its NOT worth it to copy a brush hog because the company is asking a REASONABLE price for it.

As far as that copy... he is making about 7.50 per 3 he sells. Don't ask me how I know, Im not going into it.

Ray L. · Post by **Ray L.** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:23 pm

Sorry to Jack this thread. Very interesting stuff comming about.
Mike Gash get in touch with me. You were one of the kings of Perris for a time and would love to hear some of your stuff. I remember you from Lake M.V.

idahobass · Post by **idahobass** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:02 pm

I'll start a new thread.I don't want to get caught up into the who copied who "poop".I'll title it Basstrix history-the truth behind the bait.

tolomei · Post by **tolomei** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:41 pm

Rick G wrote:Same thing happen to the Senko. Bottom line is the original is always the best. Seen the Fred Ward copy, and it does not swim anywhere as good as the Basstrix. Also heard the #1 Pirates of all time, BPS, are coming out with a Basstrix copycat line. Rick G.

Rick did u forget about the OSPREY and the EAGLE. It's funny how YOU would call out BPS.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:54 pm

Not really sure what you mean. The only reason we sold the Eagle was the Knucklehead gal that was the Distributor for Osprey would not sell us any after My wife TKO'd her out of the Bass-a-thon for her brother making a fool of himself during our show. That was all politics that we had no control over. Big difference in someone that blackballs you with a currently hot product then when all you CAN GET is something close. And FYI, I am not and have never been in the lure manufacturing business. Trying to sell just the best stuff is our game. Rick G.

C J · Post by **C J** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:47 pm

Ever think about writing the book yourself? In the past few days seeing all these "new prima dona" posters just goes to show how many don't know the full story of any situation that has come up in So Cal bass fishing. The history of our local sport and it's players is full of drive-by anglers and products (here one day-gone the next) and a multitude of classic stories.

The original baits and copies and how to approach both with a business mind has always been a challenge. Many can tell the these stories with competence, but few have the access and inside line that you have over the years. I hate to say it, but you're kinda a dinosaur...... That reminds me a story about Marv... or maybe it was Porter Hall.

Since George Kramer can't seem to write anything except for the burgeoning ressurrection of the fishery at Elsinore due to the added oxygenation of intoxicated urine dispelled from water skiers. We need a new voice...and target. Wadda think? Spill some mud.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:00 pm

If anyone on this site wants to know any dirt on the Tackle business call Anglers Marine and ask for JOHN DUETSCHE.lol You are right about one thing for sure, I am a dinosaur. Hope you are feeling better. Sounds like the talk at the shop is Top Stick is going to be real popular next year. Give your kid a high 5 for me. And also, Kramer might just be on to something about this Elsinore deal. Heard it is a blast out there just like it was in the 70's. Rick G.

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:13 pm

What is next,

THE GS TROUT - The true story by Chris Johnson?

C J · Post by **C J** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:29 pm

That would be Chrissy Johnson according to George Szabo.....

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:30 pm

Hey, how come nobody splashed the GS Trout? Wolf Pack lure co. forever.lol Rick G.

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:36 pm

With all this talk about who is the best swimbait fisherman around, I'd like to see this happen:
Assemble the top 20 or so Big Bait Experts
Arm them with 1 rod and 1 bait, the GS TROUT
If anyone gets a bite, they instantly win.

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:37 pm

Or better yet, arm them with the Kanji Parmu swimbait. That was also one of the all time biggest piece of **** swimbaits ever made. Or wait! Maybe it was the Roam Minnow. CJ loved that one!

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