Where are the AC Semi Pro Delta results ?*NM*

185vsfrog · Post by **185vsfrog** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:11 pm

Heard 17 and change won it............

BIG DADDY BLUE RANGER · Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:32 pm

Beau Joudre and Jason Cordiale won it w 17,,,, they took 2nd last week so they're on em.... it was a brutal tough day for most. A lot of teams didn't even weigh 5. I can't remember all the weights but I think it 14 to get a check, maybe only 11...............we sucked

gman2047 · Post by **gman2047** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:37 am

if jason cordiale won it, wouldn't he not be elgible to fish semi-pro? He has won 29K in the FLW alone as a pro. did he fish the Pro-side on 12/9? Maybe curcuits are getting crossed..

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:45 pm

Just an update - there was absolutely a rules violation breaking Rule #1 of our Semi-Pro rule which reads

1. PARTICIPATION AND ELIGIBILITY: Rule 1 should read: Participation and Eligibility: Any team that has NOT won more than $3000.00 is any given season either individually or collectively is eligible to participate. This excludes Boats , certificates, or money won in an event with shared weight, money won in a club, and specialty conservation/charity events. Any team and /or individual participating that reaches the $3000.00 while competing in the Angler's Choice Semi-Pro Teams shall be allowed to finish the season but shall not be eligible for the following season. Final decision of all contestants being allowed to participate will be at the tournament directors discretion.

We are in the process of trying to contact the team in question and handle the situation accordingly. At this point we do not know if the rule infraction was accidental or intentional. However, we will be solving the problem and making it right for 2nd through the last paid spot. It's just a matter of how we handle 1st place at this point. Once I have gotten in touch with the team in question we are absolutely going to request their winnings back - minus their entry fee. Any stand up team making an honest mistake by not knowing the rules would definitely return the winnings. Let's hope they go that route. Angler's Choice will keep you posted. Teams in second through the last paid spot should be contacted within the next 48 hours with their adjusted winnings and receive a check this week.

Thanks for the heads up on the rule infraction. It is essential that all angler's help any organization police the other angler's. Unfortunately, this isn't like most sports where a referree system could eliminate rule infractions! For all of you who have emailed me and/or called me I greatly appreciate the information and we are hard at work solving this issue. Thanks again!

Calistar · Post by **Calistar** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:14 pm

Tom,
This is an unfortunate situation but I applaud the fact that you are taking decisive steps to make things right. As someone who has worked behind the scenes of a tournament circuit, I know that these things take time. Keep up the good work.

Btw, I am looking forward to entering some AC events in the new year.

Greg H.

MIKE TREMONT · Post by **MIKE TREMONT** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:54 pm

I applaud you as well Tom.

I also appreciate that AC chose to start a Nor Cal division semi pro circuit. It works for me for several reasons.

Now I've read a lot of bashing towards one of the other non "pro" tours (I'm afraid to mention the name cause I might get sued is the rumor). One of the reasons for getting bashed is that it takes a few weeks to get your pay check. If I were fortunate to get a check, I wouldn't care to wait either, but after reading this thread, I completely understand.

So the question... I as a semi pro angler trust that any given tournament org has done their homework, and I'm competing on a level playing field, is there anyway possible to screen all of your participates before the event?

Thanks and good luck.

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:10 pm

Mike - I know from my perspective, it would be next to impossible to screen ALL applicants. That being said, I had no idea who Jason Cordiale was (sorry jason, the name just did not ring a bell). I too believe that Tom and AC are handling the situation in the best possible way.

Now, I am sure I will stir the pot with this one but this is another angle to look at. How many times have we slammed a fisherman for breaking the rules? What I hear mostly is "if they are fishing it they should know the rules!" If this is the case, shouldn't we be asking the team that broke the rules why they did it? Again, I am not pointing fingers just providing another perspective.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:10 pm

"This excludes Boats , certificates, or money won in an event with shared weight, money won in a club, and specialty conservation/charity events."

Does this mean that if you have never won any cash, but have won a boat in a shared weight team event you can still fish the semi-pro division?
Thanks
Jon

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:51 pm

Gator - I am working on that.

My original post was meant to put this question to rest. I think the other anglers in this tournament deserved a quick and educated decision. We provided that - now we are working on the rest. We will gladly update everyone when the rest is worked out.

Jon - if you have NEVER won any cash - and fished a SHARED WEIGHT Pro-Am as an AM and won a boat then yes you would still be elgible to fish in the semi-pro trail. FYI: This is not part of the equation in this situation.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:50 pm

Good News!

The team in question has been contacted and it was an accidental oversight on their part. They have been out of the tournament scene for a few years and these Semi-Pro circuits are new since then. These guys stepped up and are going to make this right. Thanks guys for doing the right thing!

In all seriousness, these guys were very sad to find out they made a mistake and very apologetic to us and wanted to express their apologies to the other anglers. It was an honest mistake and it is getting fixed!

Thanks for everyone's understanding and help in getting this unfortunate accident resolved!

NOTE: If you are not sure on whether you qualify for ANY Semi-Pro or amateur tournament please contact the director before hand and provide them with what you've won and how you've won it and get a ruling prior to fishing.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:24 pm

Nice! Good job A/C and the team in question!!

TritonBrent · Post by **TritonBrent** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:13 pm

Thats good to hear. Glad to see the team in question did the right thing.

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:27 pm

Wow - lets see....................

1 - As president it takes a minimum of 6 months (President Clinton) up to never (President Bush) to admit you did something wrong.

2 - In baseball we still have Barry Bonds dening any wrong doing and going on 3 years now.

3 - Football idiot OJ swears he still didnt kill those two.

4 - Five years for track & field star Marion Jones to fess up.

5 - 1 year & 3 appeals for cyclist Floyd Landis to get caught.

6 - Koby Bryant took 3 months and a $5M dollar rock to his wife to confess up to his mistake.

Bass fisherman......... 24 hours, no questions asked.

Great Job A/C, and great attitude to do the right thing Jason & Beau. We salute you all for getting it right.

Kopper_Bass

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:56 pm

Great job Tom.

I think that it should also be noted that Jason "had not" won $29,000 as a "pro" as someone else noted.

While it may have been an oversite to fish the tournament on Jason's part, he fished the FLW Tour as a co-angler and a couple of Stren events as pro. The bulk of his earnings were earned as a co-angler in FLW.

I have known Jason for a while and he is a stand up guy. Good people can make bad decisions.

Note to self and everyone else: PLEASE READ THE RULES BEFORE YOU FISH A TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hipster · Post by **Hipster** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:11 pm

Let me just expound upon Ricky's Statement, which is a great one!!

PLEASE READ THE RULES BEFORE YOU FISH A TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should read "ENTER" a tournament

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:37 pm

This same team fished the Tracy Bass amateur series as well over the past 2 weeks and won a total of $1119. From what I hear they will not be allowed to fish it anymore but the damage has already been done. This is clearly a amature series and I find it hard to believe they did not know the rules for this one as well.

The lesson here is to be aware of the folks you are fishing against.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:56 pm

The same guy that won the last hoo tourney?

PLACE # Total Big
- FISH Weight Fish

1 CORDIALE, JASON ELSETH, ANGIE 7 20.53 6.74
2 THOMAS, RICH ANDREWS, JAMOND 7 19.45 5.56
3 AUTAJAY, PERCY SUEN, AL 7 18.80 4.84
4 SMITH, STEVE STRAND, MIKE 7 16.62 4.44
5 MARTIN, JOHN SQUALIA, BOB 7 16.13 4.26
6 LADD, BRAD LOKMOR, KEVIN 7 16.03
7 WEBER, DAVE EBEL, BOB 7 15.24
8 LOVEJOY, DAVE LOVEJOY, CHRIS 7 14.99
9 FONTES, MIKE CATO, MATT 7 14.40
10 LUTZ, TOM LEVERICH, MATT 7 14.34
11 MC DANIEL, GARY GUNDERSON, MIKE 7 13.57 4.01
12 WHITNEY, BRIAN BUDD, ART 7 12.68
12 FLOYD, TOM BOWERS, CHARLIE 5 12.68
13 SANCHEZ, DAVE SANCHEZ, DANIEL 7 12.16
14 DELAMATER, BOB DELAMATER, MEGHAN 7 11.74
15 FORD, BRAD ROBERTSON, DAMON 6 11.71
16 DANIELS, MARK DANIELS, MARK JR 6 10.68
17 MADDEN, J D MADDEN, TYLER 4 10.35
18 ANDERSON, KRIS NELSON, TONY 7 10.32
19 LOPES, RON FEDDERSEN, TODD 5 10.28
20 BUNCH, JOSH DISMUKE, BRIAN 6 10.24
21 MOORE, MIKE PUTH, CHRIS 6 9.54
22 LEWIS, KEN LANGLEY, STEVE 3 9.41 4.58
23 MEDINA, RAMON CRISMAN, BOB 5 9.08
24 WASSENBERG, LANCE DELGADO, CARLOS 5 8.95
25 FEARN, JUSTIN FEARN, NEAL 5 8.49
26 MARTINEZ, RICHARD JUAREZ, ROBERT 5 7.92
27 PROBST, RUSS PROBST, STEVE 2 7.30 5.52
28 TWIGG, ASH BROWN, TIM 5 7.22
29 SHREEVE, MICHAEL SHREEVE, JILL 4 5.76
30 DYER, CHUCK MARTIN, KYLE 3 5.00
31 DOMINGUES, TIM MODUNO, STEVE 3 4.85
32 PHILLIPS, BOB MACHADO, LARRY 3 4.69
33 PEACOCK, RICH HANCOCK, BOB 2 3.86
34 CARY, BRET FISCHER, TOM 3 3.71
35 LEISER, PAT LEISER, JOEL 2 3.51
36 NOBRIGA, ERIC NOBRIGA, CASSI 2 3.27
37 KOEWLER, CRAIG CARTER, TROY 2 3.20
38 KING, MEDLEY WHITNEY, JERRY 2 2.61
39 PADGETT, ERIC PADGETT, AUSTIN 1 2.06
40 CASEY, MARK CASEY, JACK 1 1.56
41 DE FROSCIA, PETE LESSIG, TOM 1 1.32
42 VAN AIRSDALE, RONALD NESS, BOB 0 0.00
43 TODD, ALLEN FERRANTE, LOU 0 0.00
44 VAZQUEZ, GREG BEAUCHEMIN, BILL 0 0.00
45 SHREEVE, GREGORY GOTHAN, JOHN 0 0.00
46 TATE, TRAVIS ROSALEZ, MIKE 0 0.00
47 LEISER, NATHAN JONES, CORY 0 0.00
48 MURRAY, BILL MURRAY, WILL 0 0.00
49 GERMAN, RYAN FLOOK, JAMES 0 0.00
50 FRASER, LARRY GUSHEA, BEN 0 0.00

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:07 pm

Are they on tournament restriction now?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:22 pm

Hey Guys - I am not sure about the other events but - I truly beleive they didn't mean to make this mistake with AC. The stepped up immediately when told of their mistake. Asked for me to state the rule to them and then didn't argue it one bit. Besides if Ricky S says their good guys - they are good in my book and it seemed every bit that way with my conversations with them.

People make mistakes - I know I have and everyone know has --- I am sure most of you have made a mistake or two as well. The problem has been solved can we please let this thing die and move on.

Kentuck · Post by **Kentuck** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:23 pm

I find it hard to believe these guys didn't realize they weren't qualified to fish "Amatuer" events. Three tourny's in a row?????

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:01 pm

Kentuck wrote:I find it hard to believe these guys didn't realize they weren't qualified to fish "Amatuer" events. Three tourny's in a row?????

I'm with you, seems kinda impossible to believe if you ask me.

Tobe · Post by **Tobe** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:23 pm

I think they should be given the benefit of the doubt.

This would be too hard to get away with if you ask me, the results are posted in public for everyone to see. I believe it was a mistake on their part but that's it.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:28 pm

I would not accuse some one of wrong doings until you get the facts. Being labeled a cheater when you didn't know would be horrible. You could ruin a guys rep doing that.

MIKE TREMONT · Post by **MIKE TREMONT** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:58 pm

It's sounds like they stepped up and did the right thing.

Then again, you know this website, guys are going to have a lot of different opinions. I appreciate all of them. May not agree with them, but different opinions and ways of looking at things are important.

It would solve this issue if all the tournament orgs/clubs reported earnings to ONE place. I also know that would open up a can of worms with other issues. Just thinking out loud.

I like what AC did on their site. Just click on an anglers name and you see what the have won. Nice.

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:03 pm

G-Man nobody has labeled them as cheaters except you. The facts are pretty clear and my point is they should have read and known the rules before they entered the tournaments.

Mike I am hoping they step up and do the right thing and return the winnings from the Tracy Bass tourny as well.

Guyle · Post by **Guyle** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:06 pm

What about Mark Daniels? He got 3 in this tournament and he made over $12,700.00 in 2007 in FLW.

Johnny C · Post by **Johnny C** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:53 pm

This is the same arguement that the poachers lawyers make. They didn't know the laws your honor. And Tom making a statement that if Ricky (this is no knock on you Ricky) says they are ok that is good in your book is just plain lame. Tom you are smarter than that. I can't fish these tournaments with my 11 year old son and that is fine. These events are to bring new people into the sport in a format where they feel they have a chance of winning and thier rules are easy to understand. I am sure someone realized they shouldn't of fished the other events and were afraid to speak up for fear of being ripped. Weren't these guys wondering why the sticks weren't fishing?

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:12 pm

Could have been a mistake and it could be on purpose. Who is to say?

It sounds to me like there might need to be an additional waiver where each team actually signs that they have NEVER won X dollrs in a year and the TD to talk about the dollar amount during the pre-tournament meeting. Maybe this happens already?

There are several orgs offering these types of events and each appears to have their own standards.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:01 pm

The Ricky statement was tongue in cheek. (I Should have known to keep it dead serious on here) I talked to these guys myself and they were VERY standup about it. Very apologetic about it... and handled this situation admirably. That is what I am judging them on... They asked for the rule clarification because one of the anglers made most of his money as a Co-Angler... which in some circuits is OK. I can see where they were a bit confused... but, none-the-less the rule is the rule and they agreed.

The fact Ricky knows them and thinks they are good guys is great and all - but, I was just funnin' with my friend Ricky more than anything there. I am basing my opinion of them on my own conversation with them.

We did the right thing here.. fast, educated and the right thing by all involved parties. The team in question did the right thing by stepping up and providing the money back so that it could be paid where it belongs... Yet you guys still feel like riding people. Something never cease to amaze me. Next time I'll handle it like every other rule infraction I have ever heard of and sweep it under the rug and let you guys whine about it with no resolution ever given! My bad for doing what I thought was the right thing!

Thanks TOBE - it is too bad more guys can't give them the benefit of the doubt! I think they should... after all I was the one who talked to them and heard their side of the story.. and contrary to Johnny C's belief I am not stupid! You can't fool me too easily... these guys were sincere and apologetic. If they were after a jackpot they would have given me some attitude and at least tried to keep the money. Neither of which happened!

FYI - I don't know this for fact... but, I heard through a third party (not the team in question and not Tracy Bass) that they talked to the powers to be there prior to fishing the event. As I said - I do not know this for a fact - but, I did hear that from a third party. That would go a long way in these guys favor if they did that.

Also - I heard a story where two of the best anglers in the west showed up, signed up and fished a rookie event and when they weighed in people recognized them and they didn't even know it was a rookie event. Again, this is a story that I heard... 1 of them has won well over 10 boats... the other has won more money fishing than any 10 of us together. You know crap happens.. you hear of a tourney - you show up and fish it. Not everyone takes the time to read all the rules and understand them... most of us know the basics and we go with those.

Also they very well may qualify for the Tracy Bass Events according to the way I read the rules:

#Eligibility THIS SECTION APPLIES TO AMATEUR ONLY SERIES

A. No competitor that has a major boat sponsor is eligible to fish.

B. No competitor that has ever won a boat fishing in a bass fishing tournament is eligible to fish (except if you where fishing in a designated amateur or furture pro tournament fishing as a amateur). Competitor must be approved by tournament director

C. No one that has won more than $5,000.00 in prior year as a team or individual shall be allowed to fish any TRACY BASS event.

D. No contests' that are fishing guides.

E. Two week off limit, open only to eligible Tracy Bass participants.

F. No contest that fish as a pro in any pro tournament or pro-am tournament.

As far as I know they have not won a boat, they don't have a boat sponsor, they did not win $5000 or more last year... they are not fishing guides. >>> Not sure about F it reads funny but, I think that is a gray area. Do they mean ever - or last year like the $5000 thing? He last fished as a pro over 3 years ago - maybe 4. It'd be tough to say on this Tracy Bass would have to answer that question.

Johnny C · Post by **Johnny C** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:34 pm

I didn't say you were stupid Tom. I feel that AC handled the situation great. The reason I feel that your statement was lame is because I caught someone cheating in a Delta tournament once. When I reported it, the officials thought it was smart to get Dave Gliebe involved. He said these guys would never do that and it ended there. If I thought you were stupid I would not of written that you are smarter than that. That's all Tom.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:49 pm

No worries.. I made my judgement way before Ricky had posted anything about it!

RyanThoni · Post by **RyanThoni** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:00 pm

Tom, it sounds like you handled everything in a reasonable and timely manner, so thank you for that.

As far as the anglers involved, it seems like these guys are making a habit of showing up in these lower division tournaments. It looks like they are searching for any loophole they can find in order to fish against people who do not have the same tournament experience as them. What they are doing is cowardly, and dishonorable in my opinion.

I am fishing this circuit. I chose this because although I have a lot of fishing experience, I have little tournament fishing experience. I plan to fish in these circuits until I begin to make alright rankings to build my confidence and tournament strategies. With people fishing in leagues that they are over qualified for makes it hard for us to gain the confidence we need to move on to bigger and greater things.

I think regardless of what the rules are, these guys are showing poor sportsmanship.

BIG DADDY BLUE RANGER · Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:11 pm

I fished with Beau once last year, so I don't know him very well, but my opinion of him was he's a straight up good dude,, and a stick... I don't know Jason at all but his winnings speak for themself as to his angling talents..... I too beleive them fishing together in am-only events is competing below their level..

Congrats to AC for stepping up and to Beau and Jason for ending it......

Not to stir the semi-pro event pot any more but there was an unrelated cheating issue (guide trips directly before an event) that came up the week before at the Tracy Bass.... and the way it was handled was simply by changing the rules

....... only even with the new rule change the incident was still cheating............... no names, don't ask

Back to the AC event ..... I was there and I very clearly remember the rules regarding who qualifies as an AM and who doesn't with regards to $ won being discussed immediatley before blast off..... and I've never heard that before at any am event..

Danny Peluso discussed these same rules again at the end of the event just before awards and it was put quite simply that winnings are posted on the interent and if anyone doesn't qualify to fish as an AM they should withdraw......... Danny commented how even your friends will say something and AC didn't want any such problems................

and yes as a previous post mentioned,, there is at least one other angler who took a check that doesn't qualify to fish AM events either based on his winnings.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:50 am

Levy wrote:G-Man nobody has labeled them as cheaters except you. The facts are pretty clear and my point is they should have read and known the rules before they entered the tournaments.

Mike I am hoping they step up and do the right thing and return the winnings from the Tracy Bass tourny as well.

Where do you see me saying someone is a cheater? Re-read what you wrote, and tell me what side of the fence you are leaning on.

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:02 am

1. PARTICIPATION AND ELIGIBILITY: Rule 1 should read: Participation and Eligibility: Any team that has NOT won more than $3000.00 is any given season either individually or collectively is eligible to participate. This excludes Boats , certificates, or money won in an event with shared weight, money won in a club, and specialty conservation/charity events. Any team and /or individual participating that reaches the $3000.00 while competing in the Angler's Choice Semi-Pro Teams shall be allowed to finish the season but shall not be eligible for the following season. Final decision of all contestants being allowed to participate will be at the tournament directors discretion.

I was wondering ( I do this A lot) If someone that fished as A PRO and hasn't fished any tournaments for say 5 years and starts back up. Are they still NOT eligable to fish these events????? When I played Mens Fastpitch Softball I had to potition the state commisioner to get released to play in A lower division. Is this posible with fishing tournaments???

illmakeyoutap22 · Post by **illmakeyoutap22** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:17 am

WHAT HAPPENED TO FISHING AGAINST THE FISH. PEOPLE NEED TO STOP CRYING AND TRYING TO GET RID OF THE GOOD COMPETITION BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE SCARRED OF SOMEONE WHO WON SOME MONEY OFF THE BACK OF A BOAT AS AN AMATUER. IF THATS THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY CAN WIN SOME MONEY BY GETTING RID OF THE GOOD COMPETITION THATS PRETTY WEAK.PEOPLE ARE OUT FISHING 4 DAYS A WEEK AND POSTING PICTURES OF BIG FISH AFTER BIG FISH BUT YET THEY CANT BRING ANY WEIGHT TO THE SCALES THEN TRIES TO GET RID OF SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE TO POST PICS TO PROVE THEMSELVES.

I DONT SEE THOSE BIG FISH PICS ON ANGLERS CHOICE TOURNAMENT DAY

gman2047 · Post by **gman2047** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:25 am

getting back to Guyles comment about Mark Daniels winnings in 2007 with the FLW, (12K) that would make him inelgible this year correct? since this is the 2008 season? Tom can you comment on that..FLW is not a shared weight event and no boat was won, cash in the amount of 10K alone on the delta.. so should that be addressed as well? I think all anglers need to review the rules before entering an event, call the TD to confirm elgibility. This is something to consider for semi-pro anglers who are planning on fishing the FLW as a Co this year, once you make over 3K you can finish the year however the following year you will not be elgible to fish as per the rules stated on the website.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:30 pm

The second team in question is being handled as well. It will be handled the same way the original team was handled. We are in the process of trying to contact that team. The TD is handling this one and we will keep everyone posted on the outcome.

We are definitely working on a process of eliminating this in the future. It's something that needs to be addressed, yet the solution isn't as simple as making people sign up 3 or 4 days in advance.. Even then, there are dozens of tournament orgs to check and not all of them have full winnings lists.

In the meantime I highly suggest if you are a Semi-Pro angler keep an eye on who you are fishing against and if you question someones elgibility let the organization know. This goes for all orgs not just AC but, Won Bass, 100% and Future pro as well.

I know Vince holds the checks for a few days or a week or something. Which isn't a bad idea.... but, we'd like to not have to do that so we are working on other solutions.

gman2047 · Post by **gman2047** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:30 pm

Tom thanks for the reply and addressing these issues, i know public forum may not be the correct format but getting the issues out so folks can be aware of it for the future and hopefully will help avoid misrepresentation of the rules. We are all just trying to keep the sport we love fair and on a level playing field for all concerned.
My two cents worth of suggestions for the future would be to print rule #1 on all entry forms, so when you register the day of the event it will clearly be stated and any questions could be addressed at that time with the TD or staff onsite. Another suggestion along with that is, maybe at the first event or each event, time permitting and if a laptop is available with access to the internet. Once everyone has blasted off, if the TD or a staff member could take all the entry's and run a google search or such to see if any winnings over 3K could be traced. That way if payouts are due to those who fall in that category, it can be addressed prior to handing out awards.Or if teams that are due a check, a quick google search on those individuals can be chaecked..A sprint wireless card for a laptop is pretty inexspensive. Not sure if this proccess would work and i know it is a bit extreme, but it beats having to wait days to weeks to get paid as Vince has done with his tour. Im not bashing his practice and i feel that is good he does that but I like most would not want to wait for payments when money earned can help with gas, lodging, meals, baits, and such..i mean lets face it, in the semi-pro tours its about having fun, learning, and maybe getting some change to pay for our hobby we love. If we did it for the money, then folks would pay to play in the FLW, BASS, ect.. at any rate just my two cents worth of suggestions.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:37 pm

I agree this is not the correct avenue for these announcements - However, it seems the issues always seem to arise on this website... and we are not trying to hide anything so we bring the solutions to you here.

The second team has been contacted and they were VERY Apologetic and VERY easy to work with. They too did not understand the rules - and thought that since the money was made fishing as a Co-Angler that it wouldn't pertain to the rule. Again, just a misunderstanding and I seriously doubt either of these two teams was trying to pull one over on anyone. I think we should all give them the benefit of the doubt unless of course it happens again! Let's hope not!

We will eliminate the possibility of this misunderstanding in the future. We thank all of our anglers for the their patience in getting these issues resolved. Hopefully, it will help all orgs and their "Rookie/Semi Pro/Amateur" trails.

The money is being collected from the two teams will be distributed accordingly to the teams it belongs to ASAP. If you are one of those teams and have not received a call and would like information please contact our office at 800-360-7112.

gman2047 · Post by **gman2047** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:52 pm

so results on the site should changed with new updates and points?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:15 pm

That will be updated within the next 24 hours.

Also - I believe Teresa said she has contacted all the other anglers in the new payback and let them know the changes in their earnings. That will all be posted as well.

bassmeout · Post by **bassmeout** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:44 pm

Men's are loosing their b _ _ _ 's............ This is the only sport where the feminine side of each player comes out. All you boys are getting in contact with the feminine side of you self... How does it fell?
The reality is that there are not secrets in fishing..... You are not competing against other individuals you are competing against the fish!!!!!!..
This game is not about a secret lure, a secret technique or whatever that *&^%$ are you thinking?
It's about time on the water......... If you work an 8-5 job and can only get on the water once a week either don't fish or fish and know that you have lower chances of doing well against someone that fishes 3 or 4 days a week.

Here are the secrets: - Shhhh Don't tell anyone jack ***. .

1) Time on the water is the secret to success

2) Surround your self with a small group of guys that you can call for advice and suggestions. No girls please
Make friends that are willing to share knowledge and information to help you get better at this game. (Your own personal fishing circle)

3) Get lucky, be one of the few that get picked up by a pro that is willing to share everything he knows.

Now pick your avenue and make your choices but please don't cry about you not been able of catching fish. He should not be fishing this circuit because he made x amount of money fishing from the back of the boat...That's stupid.

Also please know that there are guys fishing Semi-pro that are fishing 3-4 days a week because they donâ€™t have an 8-5 job or they work at night. Whateverâ€¦.

Bass fishing is great because anyone thatâ€™s willing to put time on the water can be the next Bobby Barrack!

So quick crying and go practice. Practice makes perfection.

My $0.02

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:21 pm

Are you the guy that got your check taken back? One might think so judging by the bitterness of your post.

Nobody is crying, there are rules for a reason and this one is there to make for an even playing field. To me it sounds like they are picking on the less experienced anglers to gain an advantage. Can they not compete with guy on their level?

Johnny C · Post by **Johnny C** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:47 pm

100% Bass, Anglers Choice,WON Bass and American Bass all put on pro team tournaments. There are plenty to chose from. They have no moneys won limit. They all have plenty of room. So why is there a problem?..Semi Pro's are put on for a reason. It is cut and dry.

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:44 am

Dude (or dude-et),
Get a life and get off your soapbox. You got this all wrong!!

Nobody here is whining or crying. The only one whining is you.
This is simply an issue about some contestants and their eligibility. They made an honest mistake and are correcting it.

This is a rookie leaque, clean, simple, easy. The only way as fisherman we have to denote a rookie is by dollars won. If you've won more than 3K, than this league considers you someone beyond a rookie. Those are the rules, and anyone competing deserve to be on the same playing field.

Its no different than any other sport:
1) the seniors league in golf doesnt allow the younger players to compete - period. Elder players can go compete on the open tour level, but the seniors tour is setup just for them, and them alone.
2) In your local little league, its not right to put a 13yr old player on the local T-Ball team. they have age restrictions to keep the competition equal.
3) In college, for any sport, you have to be enrolled at school, and you get only 5 full years of eligibility. thats it. you can't stay at college your whole life, and thus claim to be still at that level and play football the whole time for UCLA or Michigan. After 5 years, you gotta move up to the NFL.

So stop trying to make this something it is not!

Kopper_Bass

MIKE TREMONT · Post by **MIKE TREMONT** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:44 pm

Another thing you might want to consider is that circuit is about half the cost. That's one of the reasons I choose to fish it. I was also tired of getting my butt handed to me on a regular basis. Not that the guys I fishing against now don't know how to fish.
If that's my femine side coming out, then so be it.

I'll bet my rods will out perform yours though

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Try to read with a little more of an open mind-nobody was attacked here.

Good luck out there.

TRUFISH · Post by **TRUFISH** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:54 pm

Great post, I agree totally. I came up through the pro-ams and ameture tournaments. I can no longer fish these circuts because I won too much money. Now I fish the open team or draw tournaments. Sometimes I make a check, but most of the time I don't. Even still, I am no longer eligible to fish the ameture tournaments and I wouldn't want to either. Ameture tournaments are for entry level fisherpersons who want to get thier start. Rules are great and to be followed and enforced. Tournament Directors should ask everyone who signs up if they qualify to fish as an ameture. All teams should know the rules before paying entry fees. Thanks.

Johnny C · Post by **Johnny C** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:34 pm

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