What is the definition of an assualt weapon

[Jim Conlow Sr.]

There are some of you guys who say we should ban assualt weapons. Most of the people wh0 take that stand dont really have a definition.
I think the term assualt weapon is a buzz word that the antigun people are using to eventually take all of our weapons away from us.

In the final analysis a baseball bat in the hands of a pissed off teanager can become a deadly assualt weapon

[ash]

http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/descpage ... SUCJA.html

Other then that this thread belongs in politics not fishing.

[Dewayne]

Sure Jim,

I can give you my definition. It is a semi automatic rifle, pistol, or shotgun capable of carrying more than 10 rounds. My Remington 10/22 or my Barretta Model 92 could easily be classified as assult weapons by this definition. In both cases 10 rounds is more than I need. I am a pretty good shot, even under pressure

I sure as hell do not want any of my neighbors taking up one of these to fend off noises they hear in the night.

http://www.hk-usa.com/images/shared/SL8%20and%20USC.pdf

I have taken up arms to stop a couple crimes. The old 870 Remington makes their eyes get real big and they piss themselves. It will also not kill your neighbor if you have to fire. It makes a real mess of the bad guy with #4 shot.

[JT-Madera]

this doesn't belong on this thread...PERIOD...take your political opinions somewhere else....my defination of an assault weapon is any gun someone uses to kill or wound another human being...and I AM a GUN OWNER

JT

[Tobe]

A Dobyns 806 Mike Long swim bait rod

[fish_food]

I sure as hell do not want any of my neighbors taking up one of these to fend off noises they hear in the night.

http://www.hk-usa.com/images/shared/SL8%20and%20USC.pdf

H&K hardware = Oberndorf Black Forest Candy (ie, $$$$ luxury items). So I take it your tastes run more to the working man's end of the spectrum?

What difference does it make if a well placed round comes out of the mag fed H&K or out of a single hot rifle like Thompson/Center or Ruger No. 1?

[drew]

Humans are violent animals by nature and we should accept that as fact. If someone is mentally disturbed and wants to hurt someone they will find a way regardless if they have a firearm or not. The stupid laws only prevent honest and responsible citizens with something to lose from owning firearms. I have never heard of or seen a firearm assault anything.

What if PITA makes the claim that fishing rods are assault weapons against fish? What if they convince some moron politician of this theory and he makes it illegal to own fishing rods? How would you feel being classified as a felon?

[brambo0311]

Hey Jim,

The definition of a assualt rifle is ever changeing like everything else, depending on who is pushing what political agenda. Could be round capacity, pistol grip, bayonet lug, easly converted to full auto, scary looking ECT....

I am a former Marine, and I am more effective with a bolt action rifle than any dirt bag with a assualt rifle. Assault rifles are not the problem. They are just easier to use for the untrained. A assault rifle doesnt go into a classroom and kill the innocent. And banning them only is going make sure the dirt bags have more of them than we do. What is the first thing that happened in Germany, Rowanda, ECT... before they killed the Jews, Tutsi, ECT.. They took away the right to own a gun. Think about it. Oh im being stupid, just a cant spell Marine. Could never happen in the U.S. Well I aint gunna roll the dice, I have seen mass graves and I am not going to see my family and friends in a hole covered with lie when I can at least work through a lot # of ammo. My parents live in Port Ludlow WA, and the sheriff there pushes for every citizen to have a CCW permit. Every granny and grampa has got a 357 in there belt. There crime rate is next to nothing because every dirt bag knows if they do something stupid there gunna get a new wistler right in the forehead. There is something to be learned from a good old boy sheriff.

[Jim Conlow Sr.]

*NM*

[long rifle]

OoRah!!!

[mac (Doyle McEwen)]

Jin, the only definition I use is a fully automatic weapon, although a semi-automatic with a high volume clip is just as bad in the wrong hands..Personally I tend to agree with most of what Dewayne posted..To me the best home defense weapon in most cases is a good shotgun..The shot is not going to go through several walls and still be lethal..

mac

[Jim Conlow Sr.]

I agree that under the right circumstances the shot gun is the best weapon. But under the wrong circumstance your confidence in the shotgun can get you killed. If tor instanc you are in a very confined space with your shot gun pointing upward, a guy with a hand gun will shoot you befor you can bring your shotgun to bear. your muzzel has to travel 3 feet or more and hid only about 3 inches
If you have your shotgun and a guy who wants to shoot you has a rifle and he 100 yards away from you. You stand about as much chance of winning as a one legged man in an *** kicking contest.
There many things to consider but the main thing you need to consider is are you going to survive or die in this confrontation.
I guarantee you that any one who breaks into my house if I am there will not walk away from his mistake.
He better find one of the sheep to attack.

Thought for the day
I decided a long time ago that I would rather go to jail for someone elses murder than to have him go to jail for mine

[Marty]

Home defense is an art in itself.

Most have not really given it much thought! I will bet most of you have your weapons in a lock secure safe place located in just one place, your bed room. That is a good place if the intruder attacks in the middle of the night while you’re in bed. But what if you are cut off from that bed room? What then?

How many of you have a retreat location where the family gathers or your last line of defense.

What happens when you are fishing a tournament and the wife and kids are home lone? Have you given you wife training in what to do. Has she fired the weapon? I know my wife will empty 5 rounds in the intruders chest and while walking forward will reload and put two in the head. Yes I said forward! There is nothing more nerve racking then someone walking towards you firing! The intruder will retreat firing over their shoulder while your have the target in front of you. Most have not had a round fired at them in angler and until that happens you only can speculate what you will do. I also hope none of you will ever be put in that situation.

When you talk about what is best for home defense you are talking about easy of handling virus stopping power. There is a big difference between a man and woman or big and small body built of the person. My wife has a 38 sub-nose revolver, she is getting older and can’t handle the 45 Colt Automatic she first learned to use.

In my hands a 44 Mag caliber Thompson G2 Contender Pistol is assault weapon and that is a single shot, no brag just fact.

[Dewayne]

Your going to carrry all three?

The burglar could slit your throat before you wake to get your gun too. There are countless scenarios that one could dream up. Hell, if they are wearing body armor your pistol and center mass shot would be totally ineffective. My position is simple. There are too make people out there who think bigger is better when it comes to guns. Too many are irresponsible gun owners who have they guns at the ready for the event that will never happen. They are not properly trained to use them or even on gun safety. They are just as likely to have some distirbed person steal their guns and commit a crime with them or have some kid pick up the unlocked gun.

I have nothing against guns and as I have said before I own several and have armed myself with them to stop a couple burglaries. While the pistol may be better in close quarters most people cannot shoot them and hit the broad side of a barn. Let alone when they have just been awaken in the night and are shaking like a leaf. Give me the intimidation factor of the sound of a 870 chambering a shell and the fear of what all that shot will do to their face. They most likely will be in retreat and the odds are I will not have to engage them. If I do they will be blind.

[fish_food]

Home defense is an art in itself.

Most have not really given it much thought! I will bet most of you have your weapons in a lock secure safe place located in just one place, your bed room. That is a good place if the intruder attacks in the middle of the night while you’re in bed. But what if you are cut off from that bed room? What then?

Here's a Christmas gift suggestion for next year: Tactical training certificates from Blackwater, Front Sight, Suarez International, Gunsite, etc. for the entire family.

[Marty]

I could always use more training, I could be getting rusty – My shot group is more then likely bigger then an inch but I’m getting old and my eyes are not as good.

I might have to go the way of Dewayne and use a shotgun. But no number 4 shot, I would have to go with 00 buck. I would take a few of the lead balls out and solder a wire to all the rest of the shot and repack. Now that is a take down round.

But I left that life behind – you want to show me how to catch bigger Bass!

[drew]

Everyone should have a plan for a few different scenarios. Usually your asleep, answering the door or come home and walk in on a perpetrator.

I have a dog that will bark if she hears anyone on the property. I don't have children and I'm not concerned about my personal property. My first plan is to flee the seen if it’s an option.

Shooting someone in defense has its draw backs. There are legal issues that will be a huge pain in the a$$. Make sure you don't posses anything illegal that can be used against you. A highly modified firearm could work against you. You might be an enthusiast, but it might make you appear to be overly interested in engaging in a shoot out or to defend yourself. A friend of mine who owned a gun manufacturing business told me that using lethal force to defend yourself can cost you $10-20K+. IMO a firearm should be a last resort.

[brambo0311]

Hey guys I live in Sacramento and there have been multiple home invasions and drive bys in my area. I dont leave anything to chance. When I hear shots the kids go in a cast iron bath tub, I go to work with a AR-17 folding stock with a mossberg 590 12 gage attached to the bottom. And I am sorry if I offend people by this, but if you are shooting up my house or on my property with a weapon you are going to get 3 to the chest and 2 to the head. Then a point blank frechette round to the kisser to make the identification a little more fun. Everyone thinks that these dirt bags have rights when they are murdering your kids and raping your wife. I am sorry but until I am brain dead and it all goes black I will keep squeezing the trigger. Everyone should have an action plan, it is probably just my training but every where I go I am always thinking of the scenarios. What will I do if this happens? How will I protect my family if someone comes in through that door? Where do you sit on a airplane? ( you know they always take an example from a isle seat). And once you resist, thats always my first choice, you crush throats snap necks and dont stop until they are all dead or you are. You might all think I am some kind of crazy nut job. But no friends die on my watch.

[fish_food]

I go to work with a AR-17 folding stock with a mossberg 590 12 gage attached to the bottom.

I'm trying to picture that setup but am having a hard time seeing it. The 590 has a 20" barrel with a nine round mag silver soldered to it. How the heck does such an overly long shotgun attach and/or balance out on an AR? Unless the 590 is "hypothetically" shortened, perhaps (but the whole point in buying a 590 is pretty much for its mag capacity). A 590 would be rurnt if its barrel and mag tube were cut down.

I could totally see someone "hypothetically" (again, that's the disclaimer for the BATF folks) attaching a shortened Remington 870 to the AR-15's M203 barrel cut much the way Knights Armament did with their old "Masterkey" door breaching system:

KAC Masterkey

[brambo0311]

I got it from a friend a few years back. He built it, but it is a mossberg and it does stick out further than the rifle. The upper reciver is not stock either, it is longer. My buddy had a thing for wierd custom jobs. I wanted a 40mm M203 on the bottom, but those HEDP's are hard to come by.

[Guy Kelley]

80mm Canon, below that everything is fair came when it comes to home defence. Meaning, I am behind the door or window that YOU (bad guy) are trying to jimmy through.

If I and my family are away at the time, you are welcome to all my stuff. That's why I am insurance broke.

Just make sure that you disarm the alarm system after you get in, cause you got about 3 min untill the pd gets here. After the silent direct calls.

[Lance]

I think its anything think you assult someone with