Why Don't You Want to Wear the License?

speedo · Post by **speedo** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:43 am

I posted this in L-Dub's thread about his ticket but thought I should start a new topic, so here it is. (Bummer, btw, hope you do better when you go back for trial!!) I'm not criticizing anybody or trying to stir the pot, but I frankly don't understand the resisitance. So, why don't people like to wear their license?

I don't get all the resistance to displaying the license. Yeah, it can smack you upside the head at speed or otherwise be a mild PITA, but if I recall correctly, compliance with licensing laws went up significantly when the law began to require displaying the license.

Poachers in the form of unlicensed "anglers" are easier to detect. Game wardens no longer have to take the time to check every individual, up close and personal, they can check you out with binocs. (Anybody fish for shad on Rd 29 near Chico? The warden would spend an hour or more calling anglers into the shore to check licenses.)

Anyway, this seems like a small price to pay considering the increase in compliance and revenue. (and yes, I'd like to see them devote some of that revenue to catching poachers, too!!)

Just sayin'. . .
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mvanguilder · Post by **mvanguilder** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:52 am

You might want to check out www.berserkbaits.com. They have an angler attack pack that will display your liscence in the front of it, so nothing will smack you in the face or twist around your neck. This pack also has a pliers holder, cell phone holder, and other compartments.

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:53 am

ash · Post by **ash** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:55 am

It's a choking hazard, I always get the darn thing cought up in everything I do, if I have it pinned to my hat then you know I am going to lose that hat etc..... If I see johnny law out and about I will slam it on my neck so that he can see it and leave me alone. I also always carry the carbon copy in my wallet and my license in my glove box.

speedo · Post by **speedo** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:03 am

SOCB_Hawghunter wrote: I also always carry the carbon copy in my wallet and my license in my glove box.

Well, not always, "Zippers," sometime you leave it in the parking lot at Oroville Outdoors! ;-{)

Whoopbass · Post by **Whoopbass** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:09 am

A woman I used to work with said she just makes a color copy of her husbands license and never gets checked.
If she does it no telling how many people actually do something like this.
I don't recall ever having my license actually inspected by a warden since this law has came out.

They also blow off and get in the way.

Slippy · Post by **Slippy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:17 am

I have been checked atleast 8 times in thelast 3 years.

bahlzar · Post by **bahlzar** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:20 am

Slippy wrote:I have been checked atleast 8 times in thelast 3 years.

well look at you ! no wonder

ash · Post by **ash** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:26 am

speedo wrote:
Well, not always, "Zippers," sometime you leave it in the parking lot at Oroville Outdoors! ;-{)

Why do you got to be like that! Well I lost my wallet, but my license was hung around my neck !!! Hey maybe I need a lanyard for my wallet that tucks into my shirt along with my house keys......

Slippy · Post by **Slippy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:29 am

bahlzar wrote:
Slippy wrote:I have been checked atleast 8 times in thelast 3 years.
well look at you ! no wonder

I have been know to jump a fence or two to fish some real good private ponds.

speedo · Post by **speedo** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:31 am

oops, double post!

Otay Michael · Post by **Otay Michael** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:31 am

What is the fine for fishing without a license now? You have to remember your time 'may' be worth something too.

I was written up when I was like 20 or so in the San Diego Bay. Forgot it was a new year deal. Had to sit with the father rapers and mother stabbers all day in court and the judge threw the book at me because it was 'school kids' day and he wanted to impress the little ones not to go against the grain!!!

No mercy is all I remember and I had many years of past licenses to show for nada.

I remember one guy up there -
Judge "Why did you not show up for court last time?"
Dude "I couldn't... I was on aciiiiiiiiiiid maaaaaaaaaan!!!"
What a day.

senko-guru · Post by **senko-guru** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:38 am

I am not a fan of the wearing of the fishing license. I understand its purpose, but just feel that if I have it I should be good. To me it gets in the way at times and I really dont like wearing it on the hat deal. To me its a stupid law that really is just another way for the DFG to make a dollar out of nothing.

Dont get me wrong I always have my license with me, but just feel that wearing it is pretty lame. IMO

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:50 am

Now I will really stir the pot. First, I want the lazy wardens to walk down and ask for the lic and have personal contact with the anglers and not be off in la la land with bino's doing so. Second, do you know how many are lost, at speed, etc and the state makes mucho extra money with replacements. Third, We are not children and/or POW's that should have to wear a emblem or tag on our person and visible to authoritys. That went out with the death camps, I thought. I like to have mine in my wallet and present it when asked. I have lost three in the last couple of years from either coming off my hat or the hat and all going into the drink and lost before I could get back to locate it. Now have at it fellows. But those are my opinions, if anyone gives a rats (you know what) Bill K

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:15 am

I really can't understand why people think it's such an inconvenience to wear the license. It's more on an incovenience to have the ranger stop you and board you boat to check everything because he couldn't see a license on you from a distance. The law is to help the DFG, we should be all for anything that helps the DFG identify poachers more easily. I personally don't want to stop fishing to have a conversation with a warden. I'm out there to fish not make friends with wardens. Judging by most of the posts on this topic, I'd have to assume rangers are more likely to stop you to check your license in my neck of the woods than most of yours. I will always have mine visable and above the waist. It's less hassle that way.

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:21 am

They still stop and check even though you are wearing it. like mentioned before people are just photo copying someone esle license on the same color paper snd wearing it. Heck I think next year we all pitch in a penny and buy one license and mack photo copies for the ALL!!!!!!!

mac (Doyle McEwen) · Post by **mac (Doyle McEwen)** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:32 am

Something tells me it is going to take more than a penny each..

mac

Scoot549 · Post by **Scoot549** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:45 am

I am with a lot of you. I believe it is to just to make extra money. Why is it that hunters don't have to wear their license? I have never left my wallet at home but I have left my license to many times to count and the same goes with other anglers with me. With this new carbon copy deal now I think any proof of a license should be enough. Hell our courts are busy enough without having to put legal people in there. And just because you have a License doesn't mean your not Poching.

L Dub · Post by **L Dub** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:50 am

I can make them here at my office.

You know what, it sucks to wear it. But would you rather pay $200 (A new SB rod With Shellcracker) or have to jump through all the hoops I've had to. No one can tell you what to and not what to do with it. But I got stuck with TWO (Cop, Judge) authorities that follow the letter of the law to the T; hopefully you will have better luck than I. Where do you take your gamble, with your license falling off, or with the officer/ judge?

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:12 am

L Dub wrote:I can make them here at my office.

You know what, it sucks to wear it. But would you rather pay $200 (A new SB rod With Shellcracker) or have to jump through all the hoops I've had to. No one can tell you what to and not what to do with it. But I got stuck with TWO (Cop, Judge) authorities that follow the letter of the law to the T; hopefully you will have better luck than I. Where do you take your gamble, with your license falling off, or with the officer/ judge?

Unfortunately some people need to learn the hard way. and I don't mean you, just the guys that refuse to wear them.

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:14 am

This is a joke right? We have the recall system and the governor would be on the hit list if the Game & Fish ever tried that. How did they get that passed in the first place? Bunch of commie government pukes IMO. You guys will be having ID chips implanted next. Unreal.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:21 am

I don't wear them cause i do not like the way it wraps up around your neck, they are a pain in the a$$! If I get a ticket maybe I will change my ways. I can not recall seeing anyone I have fished with wearing theirs.

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:28 am

For the people who want to know why people don't wear their license, my biggest question to you is WHY DO YOU CARE? I personally think wearing a license is a pain in the @ss, easier to lose, & makes you look like a redneck bumpkin. If the DFG wants to check me, they can get off their @ss and do it.

fish_food · Post by **fish_food** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:54 am

Bill K wrote:First, I want the lazy wardens to walk down and ask for the lic and have personal contact with the anglers and not be off in la la land with bino's doing so. Second, do you know how many are lost, at speed, etc and the state makes mucho extra money with replacements. Third, We are not children and/or POW's that should have to wear a emblem or tag on our person and visible to authoritys. That went out with the death camps, I thought. I like to have mine in my wallet and present it when asked.

My sentiments exactly!

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:00 am

If wearing your lic. helps the DFG. Lets push for more laws. We could tape drivers lic. to the windshield each time we drive. H ave dayglow orange hunting lic.on your hunting vest, staple your birth cert. or green card to your forehead. Have your car insurance desplayed in sight on each car you drive and most of all each and everyone of us could sumit to a security check and be issued a national ID in order to board a plane

Now please know that this is not serious . Personel contact between any law enforcment person and the public is vital in my mind. I would rather know them than fear them.

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:41 am

"Its the mark of the beast I tell ya" Well probably not, but has anyone else been choked out by there license twisting in the wind.

SABP · Post by **SABP** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:20 pm

That some ignorant person who probably never fished in his or her life thought up as a good idea to offset the fact that there are not near enough wardens in this state to manage the resource. It is nothing but a hassle and an inconvienience to the anglers and should be done away with.

Wow. My first rant of the new year!

speedo · Post by **speedo** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:21 pm

For those of you who feel that it's an infringement on personal rights, I certainly won't argue with you on that point, although if you get popped, it's a little bit of cutting your nose off to spite your face. That's part of the deal with civil disobedience, though.

My undertanding that it initially increased compliance, i.e. people actually buying a license, is a bit old. Does anybody have any recent information on numbers of licenses sold these days?

I guess photocopying will now make it more likely that wardens will actually want to inspect the license. That sucks. Hope the fine for that fraud is HUGE.

To answer someone's question, I'm only asking 'cuz I'm curious. I don't find it to be a big deal, myself. Sometimes the lanyard ticking on the butt of my rod is the only "action" I get! As for choking, I've just learned to tuck it in when the big motor gets fired up.

fish_food · Post by **fish_food** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:28 pm

speedo wrote:My undertanding that it initially increased compliance, i.e. people actually buying a license, is a bit old. Does anybody have any recent information on numbers of licenses sold these days?

It's been a while since I've seen the figures but fishing and hunting license sales are still on the downward slope.

Excerpted from a 2005 ESPN.com column:

A recent report by the National Sporting Goods Association shows declines in young people's participation in swimming and fishing. Angling rates have dropped 10.4 percent in the last decade, especially among kids.

Nationwide, there has been a 7 percent decline in hunting license sales in the last decade. In California, the number of hunting licenses sold per year has dropped from 690,790 in 1970 to 248,190 in 2004.

DeltaDan · Post by **DeltaDan** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:43 pm

SABP wrote:That some ignorant person who probably never fished in his or her life thought up as a good idea to offset the fact that there are not near enough wardens in this state to manage the resource. It is nothing but a hassle and an inconvienience to the anglers and should be done away with.

Wow. My first rant of the new year!

Our most recent appointees that make up the DFG Commission ~~ witch in-turn make up the laws on the CA DFG Biologist recomdentations to the Commission . But the Commission does not always - if most likely ever -- adhear to most of the CA DFG Biologist recomendations -- and makes their "illogical" decisions on their political/personal beliefs instead. ~~> http://www.fgc.ca.gov/

The make up of our "current" commission. (another is to be appointed to fill a current vacancy)
~~> http://www.fgc.ca.gov/html/bios.htm#rogers

Most all that are currently "appointed" to this board by the Govenor are regisetered Dem parties --and can not be removed untill their appoinment runs out/or re-appointed by the current Govenor - and then the next Govoner ellect to submit a new appoinment if others time has run out (He can also ask that one be recalled just like Jude HannA ((That Schwargenizer appoined -- and called for Resignation 6-7 months later))

The people in Govt. have no clue -- THEY ARE NOT THE OUTDOORS TYPE !! ~~ They see things as Black/White to "their" perception of idelogical beleifs. Can it get any worse than that ? ~~~ "Yes it can"

"WE" lost our best Advocoate when Michael Flores was not re-apointed as the most wises of "logical" voice in common sence.

Whatcha gona do ??

None of what todays Commission is spouting and engauging in today is with pure factual science as their backing into their increasing regs. (Now ILLEGAL in usuing Lead Bullets for Gaming south of D-6 to the the boarder included for 2k8 and beyond to protect the CA Condor -- Look for it to be expanded further North as a "Sighting is recorded as new Condor Teritory)

Soon all Lead Dove Shoot in the south will outlawed .... Then after that is stripped away from us ~~ they will be targeting and seeking to to abolish LEAD in our fishin waters for us up here as well.

-- Don't think that they can tie Lead in with Mercury as poisioning our drinking/bathing/lawn watering waters ........ You better thing again.

Soonest on the block will be wheel weights -- No more Lead -- They will have to be Tungsten or some other metal that will cost 10x.

-- IN SHORT --

Yes I try my best to wear my Liscence and Delta Stamp around my neck at all times. -- Some times it is folded under my vest or layering of clothes (not visable) -- At other times it is in the Glove Box of the boat (not visable)....... One time it was STILL in the glove box of the boat when I have walked into Contra Loma ..........

~~ If I wold of been cought with a pole in my hand -- I could of been cited.

It has been in my wallet since then -- and my 2k8 tag is there currently as well.

Start writing letters to your CA DFG Commision and ask for a repeal of this silly "Law" -- And point out directly what you here alone have already stated !!

You can e-mail them here ~~> fgc@fgc.ca.gov <fgc@fgc.ca.gov>

Write out and postage stamp them here ~~>

California Fish and Game Commission
1416 Ninth Street
P.O. Box 944209
Sacramento, CA 94244-2090

Phone them here and voice your concearns ~~> (916) 653-4899

Fax them your typed out letter here ~~> (916) 653-5040

If you want to sit on a web forum and do nothing but bitch -- Take some of these tools and make your BITCH turn into somthing that can truly be heard. If you thing the CA DFG COMMISSION looks at this page for recomendations, bitches and resolutions ..... You need to get your head out of your arse. I can almost grantee you that a CA DFG Officer more than looks at this forum and is supporting everything here 100% -- But their hands are tied.

All can attend a CA DFG Commsion meeting cclosest to them on the dates and locations listed here ~~> http://www.fgc.ca.gov/2008/2008mtgs.html

How does Stockton work on March 6th and 7th... or Sacramento on June 26, 27 ....... or again in Sac on December 11 and 12 ??

Or for those down south on the dates listed.

TELL THEM PERSONALLY HOW MUCH "WEARING YOUR FISHING LICENSE IS " _____________" (Fill in your comment here)

In short again -- Your Vote does not matter in this decission ..... Your personal comments can land on an ear .... How good they hear .... Only repeated comments can tell in actions.

DeltaDan · Post by **DeltaDan** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:48 pm

Fish and Game Commission
2008 Meeting Schedule
Click here to go to 2007 Commission Meeting Information

Live and Archived video coverage of Commission meetings can be viewed on
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The agenda for each Commission meeting will be available approximately 14 days before the meeting.
The meeting summary will be available approximately 7-14 days after the meeting.
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February 7, 2008
Thursday, 10:00 a.m.
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March 7 , 2008
Friday, 8:30 a.m.

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April 10, 2008
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April 11 , 2008
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Monterey

May 9, 2008
Friday, 8:30 a.m. Monterey

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June 26, 2008
Thursday 10:00 a.m. Sacramento

June 27, 2008
Friday 8:30 a.m.
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August 7, 2008
Thursday, 10:00 a.m.
Santa Barbara

August 8, 2008
Friday, 8:30 a.m.
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September 4 , 2008
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December 11, 2008
Thursday 10:00 a.m. Sacramento

December 12, 2008
Friday 8:30 a.m.
Sacramento

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:07 pm

OCTOBER 2007 CLEARLAKE TEAM TRITON TOURNAMENT !! MINE FLEW OFF AND WAS LOST FIRST DAY...............HAD TO GO BUY REPLACEMENT FOR 2ND DAY TO FISH.................FULL PRICE BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE COPY WITH ME . IT WAS IN SAFE PLACE AT HOME AT DON PEDRO !!

WHY I WILL NEVER WEAR IT ON STRING AROUND NECK EVEN AGAIN. I WAS SURE THAT WOULD BE SAFE.LICENSE SOMEHOW FLEW OUT OF PLASTIC CONTAINER WOW !!

492slayer · Post by **492slayer** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:14 pm

The reason I don't wear mine... The first year we had to wear it "above the waist", I lost 2 and managed to find 7 floating in the feather river. I think its nothing but a cop out for DFG. They know when you pull up with a $80-100K boat/truck combo and have $5K in gear, your not likely to skimp on the $40 for a license. Yeah, maybe a few of us forget to pick one up before the 1st of January, but we all have them. Like other guys have posted, I keep mine in my pocket and always have it. I don't know how many times I've been out with my fishing buds and they say "****, I left my license on the table at the house". It happens, and the DFG figures they can make a quick buck off the poor *** fishermen. Now at the same time they will condone people poaching while they "make a case". A few years back, I was fishing for stripers on the sac river across from wards landing. DFG comes walking down the steps to the dock, past a group of hmongs (No disrespect intended) who each had a 5 gallon bucket full of undersized stripers, got in their boat and idled over to me. First question out of the wardens mouth was "where's your license" and my reply was "why didn't you check the guys on the dock? " they told me I didn't need to worry about them, and I flat out told them they didn't need to worry about the license in my pocket. It came to the point where one of the wardens threatened to take me to jail, and I told him let's go. The other warden backed him down, and tried to get out of the fact that I was going to be asking the judge why they overlooked the obvious violators to hassle me in my $25K river boat.... Gotta love the government

brambo0311 · Post by **brambo0311** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:23 pm

Ya know Hitler made the jews wear arm bands, I think we could go somewere with this. A little parallel between displaying your religious followings and being a fishermen so the government knows who to gas. Let me get a ticket for not displaying my license, I can guarantee it will cost them millions. You know how many scum suckin ambulance chasin lawyers would want to jump on that one.

fish_food · Post by **fish_food** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:30 pm

492slayer wrote:A few years back, I was fishing for stripers on the sac river across from wards landing. DFG comes walking down the steps to the dock, past a group of hmongs (No disrespect intended) who each had a 5 gallon bucket full of undersized stripers, got in their boat and idled over to me. First question out of the wardens mouth was "where's your license" and my reply was "why didn't you check the guys on the dock? " they told me I didn't need to worry about them, and I flat out told them they didn't need to worry about the license in my pocket. It came to the point where one of the wardens threatened to take me to jail, and I told him let's go. The other warden backed him down, and tried to get out of the fact that I was going to be asking the judge why they overlooked the obvious violators to hassle me in my $25K river boat.... Gotta love the government

Interesting story. Makes you wonder about stuff like that...

Smile_n_Jax · Post by **Smile_n_Jax** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:33 pm

While I do agree with a lot of what's been said, I'm not going to get involved in the political side of this discussion.

I have my license securely attached to my inflatables and I always wear them. But, then again, wearing a vest is another issue.

MIKE TREMONT · Post by **MIKE TREMONT** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:20 pm

I've replaced two of them the first couple of years trying to comply with this ridiculous law.
No more.
Mine rides in the bait locker. I've been approached and checked on several occasions. Never once was it a problem. I was never warned that I should be wearing it. It was refreshing to be treated with some respect and that the wardens had COMMON SENSE.
I know there's a first time right around the corner, and it might be costly. I'll take my chances.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:31 pm

First and foremost I ware my license on my life-vest tuck under the flap â€“ it does not get in my way there!

The whole idea of warring some type of ID/License on your person is un-American to me! Just like we make our dogs do, put it around their necks.

Especially when the authorities donâ€™t even ask to see who you are before voting. Hell we donâ€™t even expect our illegal immigrants to show there ID. It is just so socialist to do that! One day they will want you to tattoo who you are on your forehead and lot of you will get in line.

I agree with Bill K!

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:52 pm

Terry Smith wrote:At 60+ MPH they sometimes get ripped off of you without you knowing and you have to buy another one. If it stays in my wallet I will always have it on me.

That happened to me at Clear Lake but about 2 weeks later a very nice person found it and sent it to me in the mail.

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:12 pm

Its offensive to me. Like I am not to be trusted, or must be doing something wrong. So I must prove that I have one.

I did some serious asking about it when it became the law. It isn't really for a warden to check you at a distance. Because you could have a phony slip in there anyway. They have to ask for it to really check you.

The intent was to create peer pressure among the anglers. If everyone had one pinned on, an angler who forgot or otherwise did not have one would feel concious of it. That angler, without a warden would make sure to have one WITHOUT a citation or court date. (I am not saying this brilliant idea works.

)

I wear it pinned to the back of my baseball hat so it does not show in fish photos. (Also no choke/strangulation hazard.) The hat is stowed while underway, so I haven't lost one yet. It goes in the glovebox on the boat after the trip, so it goes on the next one.

I am against it, don't like it one bit.

A.G.

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:20 pm

Always good to see a government that encourages neighbors to keep an eye on each other.

Rich reeser · Post by **Rich reeser** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:54 pm

HOLY SMOKES!!! YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO FISH!!!

CN · Post by CN » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:33 pm

Rich reeser wrote:HOLY SMOKES!!! YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO FISH!!!

Man are we in trouble Bubba :lol

ken · Post by **ken** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:54 pm

I want my license in my billfold. It is fine to have your license on a cord stored in the boat but soon as you go in anothers boat which I do regular, oops I forgot to get it out of the glove box. Be carefull this time of year though because they know some have forgotten to get a new license.

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:08 am

LICENSE TO FISH........HELL NO , IF YOU COME ACROSS THE BOARDER, OR ON A BOAT, OR BY PLANE TO MY COUNTRY, YOU DON'T NEED A LICENSE FOR ANYTHING, JUST TAKE WHAT YOU WANT, CATCH AND KILL ALL YOU CAN, THEY WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING TO YOU !! BUT FOR ME, BORN AND BRED AMERICAN, HELL, I'LL GET FINED, GO TO JAIL, ETC . FOR MAKING A MISTAKE AND HAVING 6 IN THE LIVEWELL INSTEAD OF 5. SHOOTING A FORKED HORN AND THOUGHT HE WAS A THREE POINTER. BUT IF I WERE A ALIEN..MAN LIFE IN AMERICA WOULD BE GREAT !!

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:07 am

To go along with some of the comments, Illegal aliens/residents are given drivers lic and other documents and monies, if the politicians get their way and at no charge, even with being criminals in the first place. Do they get checked by the authoritys and deported, Not anymore. Do they get checked when pointed out breaking fish and game laws, No. But you will be checked, cited for not having your little ol fish lic visible. Sure makes sense to me.

I do not mind having my lic in my wallet and showing it, when asked by a warden. That is the way I would like it, just like the old days when you had repore with the wardens in you area. They are a different breed nowdays and for the most part badge happy.

As for writting F&G, etc. I have, and to this day have never recieved any reply, etc. Slowly our freedoms are being chipped away by the anti fish/hunt people. That includes the commision and politicians, as most of them are controled by big money. End of story. Back to fishing. Bill K

Makostoy13 · Post by **Makostoy13** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:25 am

My reason is I DO NOT leave home without my Wallet. My hat with my license was at home, so I did not have the license in my wallet and I was fined $150, 9 days later is would have been $250. I now keep it in my wallet like I have done for 30 years, without ever leaving without it. I would rather pay the fine for not displaying it than not having it with me. How many layers of clothing do we do on most trips? I do believe in the principal of the law. Hats blow off, strings break, etc. I can assure you that the F&G did not want this, but I believe 20% of license holders are buying replacements every years since this started.

DAN · Post by **DAN** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:40 am

Yes it is right up there with allowing the two rod stamp on the Delta Yeah! Still friends from CSBA and other organizations don't know how the got pushed through the back door! Well it's our state the back door thing is allowed here....So there's another rant to ponder

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