Can't believe that a premiere Trophy lake might get closed.

[Kelly Ripa]

I am so bummed it's not even funny....and please before you start on which water is the best...I don't care about that I mean heck I meet Guys who have come across the U.S. to fish this little water hole.....It's a destination that I think most Bass fishermen fantasize of coming to put the hurt on some Big Ol' California Bass's....If they close it to my boat I don't know what I'll do. It depends and what they do allow. I might have to get a guides license and keep the boat at the lake???? Don't like paying those scum money when I have my boat here at my place in Ojai 3 miles from the lake!!!!. Whore my self out on Fridays thru Sundays to get my fix ...Sell my boat and buy a beater and leave it in the water??? If you could keep it there How do they know I just took it for a tuneup and impeller change and not fishing infested waters???They don't and that is why I'm feeling our goose might be cooked.... I don't know the plan but it ain't good I'm sure of that!..... I can't afford to go to Cachuma every week or I would.. ... and Lopez is over $110 in truck gas alone and I'll go there every chance I get. I don't want to fish Piru only...Castaic? Rather go to Cachuma .....What a drag ....What to do....? What to do...? Wait I suppose but I sure hope someone with a strong voice for reason steps in and halts this as it's already been crazy with overkill....The waiting period ( quaranteen) was proposed to be three times longer than it's 28 days when someone with a voice of reason talked these morons down from jumping off a cliff....It's only a matter of time and they will jump and then it will be out of our hands and forgotten in another media blitz to the dull masses....Damn...Not Good


...It always happens when I get things running good and all cares are taken care of that something like this comes out of left field and rains on my parade. I'd like to be more optimistic about our chances but the comments from the average folk that know or have just heard about this just don't care whether they close it down or not... Oh my local population of senior citizens think it's a bad thing but I haven't found anyone who is going to actually do anything about it.

Cei La Vie!!

Rip

[Morris]

RIP,get to now CLEAN AND DRY LEARN IT, NOW IT, LIVE IT.[/u]

[Kelly Ripa]

I've been there 3 times in the last three weeks....It's a moot point to have a clean boat when ya gotz no water to fish on...

[John Barron]

You have two more problems Rip it was announced that whichever way Casitas goes so goes Piru and Cachuma. Yes that means if Casitas closes so will Piru and Cachuma. So now where will you fish?
John Barron
"Clean and Dry"

[Bassin]

Wow Rip...and you just moved down there too right?
This is a BIG problem, with being so close, I don't even want to mention the lakes I live around here on the central coast....but it just sounds like a matter of time before they start some kind of program here. There has already been talk about "something" causing the spots in Naci to look so sick and skinny, and that is not just because they are letting so much water out for construction of that dam pipe line I am paying for either.

Bryan

[Brian Linehan]

See you all at DVL. Actually, if this happens, it will be devastating for all of us!

[Rick G]

will be the Lawyers. If they close any of those lakes it will be Lawsuit city. They use our public funds to build the ramps, docks ect... You sue them all, all the Waterboard members, the Lake people, the State, all of them. You will see. Rick G.

[drew]

They used our taxes to pay for the land, water and personnel. Everything was funded with our taxes.

The real bummer of this whole deal is there is no proof that the lake will benefit from this action. Our elected officials are not held responsible for their actions. Before they take away our rights and spend our hard earned money they should prove without a doubt the value of the proposed regulation. Will it really help? What is the actual value of this regulation?

The only guarantee is that we will loose our right to use the lake with our boats they way we have in the past. It appears that the current trend in California is to increase hunting and fishing regulations/restrictions. They want our taxes, but don't want to respect our rights and freedom.

[fishinman]

I tell ya straight from the heart. From what I've read about these creatures from Russia it's like this. The little basterds are most likely already in there. They produce how many offspring !,000,000 per adult. With the numbers of fisherman using lake casitas that fish other possibly but (likely infected waters) the odds or chances of infestion are great (there already established). closing the lake down will only slow down the process by mabe a year or 2 depending on the way these critters reproduce. Science has still yet to figure how to siop the mother we call nature. Usually the good it does doesn't equal the negitive side effects of the treatment weather its scientific, politcal or demograhic it's gonna hurt. the officals will save money by not having to treat the lake chemicly but hurt the whole economy of the entire ojai area and if other lakes follow i guess all recreational boaters will have to go do what ever they do somewhere else. Yeah -Like where-!!!!!

[Dave Wilson]

I'll have a bass boat with 4 hours, ten G. Loomis GLX's, a bunch of Mg100's and Mg 50's, and a couple TE 300's all at a great deal. Comes with hundreds of Robo worms, jigs, Senkos, etc............

[Rick G]

but this is just the beginning of a serious game of cat and mouse. All the fishermen need to band together, get them the correct info, pro's and con's, be organized and this will get TCO. Talked to a major asset the fishing community has today and he was fully confident that that lake will never close. Seen alot of "Sabre Rattling" over my close to 30 years in this business with issues just like this and we will prevail. Rick G.

[Kelly Ripa]

I think alot of you are closer to the real pulse on this but if you remember Rick I put an Opti on that 187 Elite back in 98 because I didn't trust the SOB's from doing even more than just one DVL type of restriction on the other lakes I fished. Cachuma came within a HAIR of going that route but I still think the opti was the best choice then and now.....

But ya see guys I'm go'n fish'n on Saturday because the wifey has been told that the 13th of Feb. might be my last day to fish Casitas so SHHHHH !!! and thank God she doesn't read this drivel I post

[CN]

Me to but remember just a week or so ago they reported Zebra Mussel up here at San Justo,it's under closure's also and that's half way up the State.

Look at all the BLM land and our National Forrest's that are being closed.

It's a sad fact myself and to many other's sit back and hope all will end ok.

You are correct Sir

[Addicted 2Fishin]

If they close those lakes I swear to god!

[Brian Linehan]

Rick and Kyle are licking their chops

[Steve]

Well, most who make decisions regarding these issues have known for a long time that the quagga and others would be here soon. Instead of being proactive to find a solution before the problem was on their front door, they are now being reactive to a problem that is now here. This is typical human behavior, and typical natural resource management behavior.

The war starts at Casitas, and what happens there will set a precedent for the rest of the state. It will not be good if Casitas closes the lake to the public. Believe me, board members from other municipalities are well aware of whats going on at Casitas.

Right now, Pardee is the next lake up for this issue. I spent the day with a board member from East Bay MUD this past weekend, and indeed one of the solutions he mentioned was closing the lake to the public. I made sure I explained to him everything every bass fisherman would want to tell him regarding that lake. Lets hope he was listening.

[jrbasspro]

Steve you HIT IT ON THE HEAD The war starts at Casitas as anglers we cannot let this lake closure happen! we have to fight long and hard, if the lake is closed, I am willing to pay 25 dallors a payday to help with lawyer fees, now that doesnt sound like a lot but if you mutiply that by 2000 anglers thats a lot of money, and it has to be done!!!!!!, Ron C has it right, education is the only way to help control this problem. Closeing the lake is a panic mode of control because people here in california just dont know what else to do, maybe they should head back east and work with some of the smaller lake mangement folks around the great lakes and I am sure they went thru the same thing when the mussle spread started in lake erie.

This is my personnel opinion!

[2@low8]

Rick Grover, thanks for the report. I really believe that we must come out swinging. Swinging hard, very hard. I wonder if this is really Russ' excuse to close the lake down. His background is very enviro it seems. We will be having elections for a new board soon. I may even step up. I don't think the general public realizes that hunters and fisherman care the most. eric huff

[oakview]

Man, I hope this lake doesn't close...

And I wish all of you could meet some of these clowns running the show here at Casitas...Three of them are flat out enviro's and have already made there mind up on closing the lake...

I haven't been to impressed with any of there knee jerk reactions so far...

From what I have learned from most on the board is that they don't really care about the recreation side of the lake...that would be over $750K a year we all give to the lake. Plus the really don't seem to phased by the $1.4million dollar grant they would have to pay back if they do close the lake...

It seemed at the last meeting that they were more concerned with the maintenance of the piping, etc...than all the money they would lose from the recreation side.

At the end of the day I got the impression they wanted to spend as little as they had to, to battle the problem of mussels...for them the water is were they make their money and that is all they are concerned with....

Just my 2cents...

Anyway, see you Friday...
D.

[mark poulson]

Dave,
Their attitude sounds like, "Penny wise, pound foolish", or, as my fisrt mother-in-law used to say, "Nickel slick".
Short sighted.
We fishermen and hunters are the ultimate enviros, because what we love can only survive if we take care of the enviroment. I know it's true for everyone, but we are much closer to it on a day to day basis. It's much more real for people who actually use the outdoors for more than football games and parking lots.
See you Friday.

[John Barron]

We have to use our heads about this whole thing. We have to be vigilente and we have to be consistent. We can't profess "Clean and Dry" and not practice it. We all need to help each other by educating ourselves and helping to educate others. Look at the boat in the parking lot and see if it has any vegetation on the trailer and either pull it off or ask the owner to take it off and tell them about the issue.
John Barron
"Clean and Dry"
"Don't Move A Mussel"

The purpose of fighting is to win.
There is no possible victory in defense.
The sword is more important than the shield, & skill is more important than either.
The final weapon is the brain.
All else is supplemental.
** John Steinbeck **

[Brian Linehan]

I hear you John about clean and dry, but my gut feeling tells me that they MWD ise going to do whatever they want to do.

It's almost better if all of the lakes had the Quagga so they could accept the fact that it's here to stay and we could move on.

[Steve]

Bottom line is that the quagga and others will indeed get into these lakes. Its a fact.

Entities such as Casitas water district (or whatever their correct name is) make tons of money off selling water. Thats what they do. The recreation component is more of a PR thing (and probably part of an agreement with the management agencies). But when push comes to shove, recreation value has no value. Its all about money. No surprises there.

One way or another Casitas is going to have to spend money, and keeping people off the lake is not the solution. Oh, it may temporarilly keep the invasion at bay, but its not a long term solution. One solution is to chlorinate the water at the intakes, then de-chlorinate the water prior to delivery. This is something that is easily done, but it does cost money. This is just part of the cost of doing business, and accepting that we live in a constantly changing evironment, that, as more and more people populate this country, becomes more complex daily. Casitas has to accept these things, find a long term solution that we all can live with, and move on. Just my humble opinion.

[Kelly Ripa]

I can live with the mussel it's like living with treatable Cancer....They will close the lake and the others will follow suit....10 year old champ dual 187 Elite with 150 Opti/ one owner /Anglers maintained reasonable offers only... ...


Man I hope your right Rick but it's like having a sword hanging over your head....education....The average boat owner NEEDS a carbon monoxide sticker on their boat. If the government was worried and had sent out info...It wouldn't matter...Cletus the Slackjawed yokel ( A naive or gullible rustic : Websters Dictionary ) would bring the critters or already has

Rip

[Cmarkfish]

E-mail everyone you can the gov., fishing magazines and newspapers, mayors anyone who will read and listen. I e-mailed a bass magazine and they did not think the were serious about the closing the lake. it can't hurt.

mark chief torrez

[2@low8]

Mark, afraid your wrong. Take a look at what has happened in the past w/ the bass attorney Pat Marley. I talked to him and was blown away. I later googled him and was even more shocked at his success. He told me he has been preparing for this for the past 4 years. I don't think we have any other choice. We played nice guys with the Island closure and lost. It was followed by central cals. coast and now they are trying to take point mugu to point dume. Maybe I should give up and start playing bingo.

[Hollywood]

Mark, afraid your wrong. Take a look at what has happened in the past w/ the bass attorney Pat Marley. I talked to him and was blown away. I later googled him and was even more shocked at his success. He told me he has been preparing for this for the past 4 years. I don't think we have any other choice. We played nice guys with the Island closure and lost. It was followed by central cals. coast and now they are trying to take point mugu to point dume. Maybe I should give up and start playing bingo.

Patrick Marley is a GREAT LAWYER when it comes to the bass world. Just ask John Murray or myself and the many others he has represented and won....