You can't argue with the ignorant

[John Barron]

AMAZING........SIMPLY AMAZING!

I just couldn't hold it in anymore sorry
jb

[oakview]

Who would be the ignorant ones?

D.

[Rob Cummings]

Who would be the ignorant ones?

D.

My guess would be your idol and daddy...Brian Roney?

[DougH]

Actually, Brian spoke well and represented the fishermen more so than you would think.
It was a losing battle to start with David, Handley and "Russ" are out to make a name for themselves, and a better situation could not have fallen into their laps to become instant names across the state. I have already spoken with Lake Lopez, and they are having emergency meetings starting next week.
The DFG's position isn't in our favor right now, and they weren't able to answer why they haven't shut down the infected lakes with their authority, because they "feel" they don't need to. Maybe after every other lake closes, the DFG and the State will do something to quarentine these lakes until some proper decontamination stations are up and running. Until then, we are scewed to some degree. Some say they are working on a different tactic and to hold tight, but after last night, I am going to do what I feel needs to be done, and a lawsuit isn't it in my humble opinion. These lakes want isolation from the infected lakes, so they are quarantining themselves, because the DFG and the State won't quarantine the "sick" lakes. I personally can't say I blame them.

[Rob Cummings]

So why can't I just sign something that says my boat only goes on Casitas? If that's the only lake I ever go to then how the hell could I contaminate it?

[Ron C]

"You can't argue with the ignorant"

The way I learned it is: "You can't reason with the unresonable"

[Kelly Ripa]

As was presented at the meeting..... in 5 days tamper proof seals could be in their hands that would prove that you've not had the boat anywhere else....Sorry not good enough....There is a procedure whereby if we use The extra special additive in our livewells/bilges/coolers? ... we would not need an approved decontamination system that is capable of doing a battleship. They don't understand that 60 footers with scallops hanging off them are not going to be coming to the lakes front gate. After being told by DFG they have a handle on how to inspect the boats that more than far exceedes the possibilities to the point of rediculous it wasn't good enough. DFG doesn't have the authority to close lakes by the sound of it maybe that's another department. The poor guy (DFG Manager) came from Sacramento and the first he'd heard about a one year closure was when he got there. Could he help them nope sorry!!! I know it seems incerdulous that DFG hadn't closed those lakes with the mussle however MEAD and the other huge river lakes aren't going to be shut down ever imho...I can't understand alot of this but that's why Kelly is only a pawn in the game of life!

RIP

[DougH]

So why can't I just sign something that says my boat only goes on Casitas? If that's the only lake I ever go to then how the hell could I contaminate it?

Simply Rob, because you could lie. I know better, but others don't know you from a knot in a tree. But I'm working on something similar to that thought, so the locals can go to the lake and take their boat home at the end of the day. It won't work for the multiple lake users at this point, but might spread out to the close lakes like Chuma, etc...
At this point, I am only interested in getting us locals access to our lake again by working with the Boards and within their rules and requirements. Just because the big boys lost their first round doesn't mean us locals who only fish this one lake should have to suffer the consequences. It's all about negotiations baby, and understanding the Boards needs. The locals who really do fish this lake exclusively are who deserve to fish, because we don't present a risk, and that alone my friends, is what this whole issue is about.

[smpboy]

i think they just committed suicide with this decision now they will have to search cars entering the park and hire security to guard the lake at night they went about this the wrong way and pissed off way to many people.

[Brian Linehan]

No offense Doug, but whether you are a local or not, you shouldn't get any priority over a guy who lives away from the area.

Just because someone lives 2 miles away from the lake doesn't mean he deserves to fish the lake. Do I deserve to fish the lake because I know it much better than you and have won more money than you? Absolutely not.

We are all equals and your ethnocentric "localistic" attitude isn't helping matters.

[Kevin]

Someone needed to say that Brian. Thank you!

[Brian Linehan]

Ram it!!!

[mark poulson]

Ron,

"You can't argue with the ignorant"

The way I learned it is: "You can't reason with the unresonable"

You can't argue with John.

[DougH]

Brian,
I do understand the facts, and I do agree the Board is over-reacting. My approach for locals isn't for "locals only", it's for exclusive Casitas fishermen.
If you live in San Diego, but only fish at Casitas, then you will be eligible.
Pete, I'm not talking down to anybody. There has been a ton of material on this site as well as the internet on the mussels. I merely suggest that people read up on it, and if I come accross poorly, I ask for your forgiveness, I mean no harm.

Perhaps when this reaches others people lakes, and they close (restricted use, sorry) they will understand my point.

We can cry foul all we want, but the fact remains the lake IS closed, with others soon to follow. The current mindset didn't work, did it? The boards don't care about science or facts, they want a guarantee.

My apologies to everyone again, and have a good weekend fishing at your lakes..

[ironman]

Brian,
I do understand the facts, and I do agree the Board is over-reacting. My approach for locals isn't for "locals only", it's for exclusive Casitas fishermen.
If you live in San Diego, but only fish at Casitas, then you will be eligible.
Pete, I'm not talking down to anybody. There has been a ton of material on this site as well as the internet on the mussels. I merely suggest that people read up on it, and if I come accross poorly, I ask for your forgiveness, I mean no harm.

Perhaps when this reaches others people lakes, and they close (restricted use, sorry) they will understand my point.

We can cry foul all we want, but the fact remains the lake IS closed, with others soon to follow. The current mindset didn't work, did it? The boards don't care about science or facts, they want a guarantee.

My apologies to everyone again, and have a good weekend fishing at your lakes..

i agree with you doug its not fair that sd guys who fish other lakes cant come up here but if it means us strictly casitas guys can fish there im cool with that

[John Barron]

DougH, you know me and you know what I'm going to say is not slamming you, you know that comment isn't directed at you but to get a 100% guarrantee that Casitas won't get an infestation they would need to drain the lake. That's the only way to get that guarrantee. If this lake stays closed, I mean "restricted" for a year and they get the mussel anyway well then how "ignorant" will they look? They just don't get it. They don't understand the real threat. The arrogance of Baggerly and his comments after the meeting proves my point.

You and I have talked about this before you need to be on that advisory board not me. I think Casitas should be open for everyone to enjoy, you want to ban anyone that fishes any other lake as well as ban tournament organizations just because they have a tournament on San V or at Havasu. I just don't agree. The boat inspections that Ranger Rob's group was doing would protect Casitas from infestation from boats in my opinion.
jb

[Ray L.]

I am done...
Going to Havasu and get away from it all.....
No reason to go to the Fred Hall just a bunch of drunk fools...
Oh wait a min. that is what I will be at Havasu.
I guess I will go and drag a jig around

[John Barron]

That place is full of................mussels. Make sure you have your catch and release with you.
jb

[Ray L.]

It will be full of sh.....t when I am done....

[Ron C]

It will be full of sh.....t when I am done....

Oh, you're taking Mudline with you?

[Ray L.]

that could be fun...

[buddy brown]

It will be full of sh.....t when I am done....

LMAO ray!

[macinckirk]

It will be full of sh.....t when I am done....

[Noluk]

Doug,
Respectfully submitted: I disagree with everything you have said or done on the mussell issue. You have advocated process through the board and they have failed. It is obvious that your true intention was to close the lake to everyone but yourself or a select group of people whom you feel are entitled to fish the lake. Quite frankly, the lake has a legal right to close in order to protect itself. What it does not have is a right to selectively close. Your boat and you as a person represent as much risk as I do if I show up to fish. Quite frankly your position is totally self serving and at this stage I would not be surprised of you were a brother-in-law of a Casitis water board member. Your "me only" attitude is a total diservice to the rest of the anglers efforts to use reason and process instead of panic to meet the problem.

[macinckirk]

Doug,
Respectfully submitted: I disagree with everything you have said or done on the mussell issue. You have advocated process through the board and they have failed. It is obvious that your true intention was to close the lake to everyone but yourself or a select group of people whom you feel are entitled to fish the lake. Quite frankly, the lake has a legal right to close in order to protect itself. What it does not have is a right to selectively close. Your boat and you as a person represent as much risk as I do if I show up to fish. Quite frankly your position is totally self serving and at this stage I would not be surprised of you were a brother-in-law of a Casitis water board member. Your "me only" attitude is a total diservice to the rest of the anglers efforts to use reason and process instead of panic to meet the problem.

let the fireworks begin

[DougH]

LOL Kirk,
that cracks me up.
I don't have a problem with anyone thinking I'm an ***. I obviously think differently than most, so be it.
I DO work for a water company, but I'm not related to the Casitas board. I'm much prettier than they are.
I am however, tired of misrepresenting myself due to poorly written emails and messages, so I will basically try to drift away from this arena.

Believe it or not, I love all of you guys and I hope you all can for a moment just consider some of the things I have said, and not hate me for having a slightly different opinion than the hardcore tourney guys.

JB, Ray and others, I appreciate that you have always been straight up with me, and I respect that, and I appreciate that you respect and understand my position, even if you disagree with it. You are some serious stand up guys. I really am after the same end as you, I just see a different road.

Peace

[Ray L.]

Hey Doug....
You take the high road and I'll take the low road....
Sorry just had to say it....
On a serious note.
Doug I have said from day 1 we were out for the same thing you just have a different way of looking at it than I do.
Until it is shown to me that a bass boat that has been in Havasu and then clean and dried, off the water for 5 to 7 days and can transport a quagga/ larvae I will support all lakes being open and no quarentine longer than the reccomended time frame.
It is a free country and we can all speak what we want.

[Cmarkfish]

Hey Doug,

You are not a pretty man <LOL>. Me they broke the mold after me they had to. They had to keep the UGLY all to me.
Sorry I had To say that.

Later Chief