IKE~ REVISITED

[bass smacker]

[quote="Tin Can"]Pro athletes shouldn't be viewed as role models in fishing and in every sport. They do their job which is to fish, they aren't getting paid to be role models.
Soooooooooo you think that pro athletes get payed to play the game. Well let me enlighten you they get payed so other people can make more money off them.. Do you think that a team/sponcers look at a athlete and thinks hey he/she can play/fish of hit better than others so we will just shot him a cupple of million bucks????
No the pay tham becuse others look up to them becuse thay play the game well and those people will buy the products that they use. Becuse (Now get this I know its hard to wrap your mind around this) Thay want to be like them kind of like a ROLE MODLE... If it wasnt for the fans that look up to them they would be just some guy/girl that plays fishes or hits better than most.

[Tin Can]

Pro athletes shouldn't be viewed as role models in fishing and in every sport. They do their job which is to fish, they aren't getting paid to be role models.
Soooooooooo you think that pro athletes get payed to play the game. Well let me enlighten you they get payed so other people can make more money off them.. Do you think that a team/sponcers look at a athlete and thinks hey he/she can play/fish of hit better than others so we will just shot him a cupple of million bucks????
No the pay tham becuse others look up to them becuse thay play the game well and those people will buy the products that they use. Becuse (Now get this I know its hard to wrap your mind around this) Thay want to be like them kind of like a ROLE MODLE... If it wasnt for the fans that look up to them they would be just some guy/girl that plays fishes or hits better than most.

Why the insults? Did I insult you? I think not.

How about this. If you are so worried about it, don't watch bass shows anymore. It's that simple. Everyone in the public eye SHOULD NOT be viewed as a role model, period. Paris Hilton and Britney Spears are all over TV. Are they role models? lol

[nipples]

Paul you are entitled to you opinion but it is not the only one. You have to think for a moment that the filming of this young man's special day will be something that his family will have long after this awful disease has taken him from them. If you have never been part of taking one of these terminally ill children fishing you do not have any idea what an impression it leaves on you. I was fortunate enough to take a young boy named Patrick fishing a couple of years ago on Clear Lake. Patrick is now flying with the angels and I remember that day each and every time I am on Clear Lake. We had a camera crew with us, wore a sponsor jersey and even brought the fish in for everyone to see.....because Patrick wanted to, just like on tv. You are more than entitled to your opinion of Mike and don't have to like him but until you have had one of these special ill little children etch their mark into your heart and have that heart broken when you receive that phone call that they lost their battle you have no idea how that feels, the tears that run down your face are real, no media stunt trust me. When I agreed to take the trip with Patrick, Gary Dobyns asked me if I knew what I was in for. He had done a trip a few years earlier and knew what it did to him. After that trip I was mentioned in an article "the real hero's of bass fishing" that Dean Sault wrote. It was nice but don't even try to tell me that I only did that tirp for media impressions. I am way done posting on this and wish it would die, I am getting ready for 10 days on Clear Lake and the first one to hit the carpet will be for Patrick Gallagher and his family......god bless them. kb

You and Ike are nothing alike Kent.... It's like you are projecting yourself onto Ike and thinking he is like you, and it doesn't work that way. You didn't have a PR team looking over your shoulders because you simply do not need it. You understand the responsibility that is celebrity. You don't dress hip hop and act like a moron.

Yes I have been involved with taking terminally ill kids fishing. I have been involved with taking severely handicapped kids and adults fishing, and Fairs, and Special Olympics, and Canine Companions, and UCP, Telethons, and independent living, etc, etc. I have seen things in my volunteer times that make taking a terminally ill kid fishing and the impact it has on you look like a walk in the park. And no I am not trying to belittle the impact and difference it makes. I am talking about things that make you break down and scream, things that haunt you for the rest of your life. But I did what I could to make a difference and give another human being a few moments of dignity and happiness. It is the only way anyone can walk away from something like that with a shred of sanity. I have been doing those things since I was 7 years old. It went with the territory of my family life and my mother's career. I have been there, I have seen it, and not once, hundreds of times. After witnessing severely handicapped people overcome impossible odds, you tend to be a little tougher on those without dissabilities. Nothing is impossible, especially not acing like a professional when you are fishing as one.

Ike lost points with me regarding the Scotty Goldman fishing exploitation. Yes I am entitled to my opinion just like you and everyone else. When you do something like this, your focus should NOT be on Scotty's family and them having film of Scotty's day long after he is gone. It should be on Scotty and Scotty alone. It should not be on the PR at all, it should be about Scotty and Scotty alone. It should be about focusing on a kids dying wish... NOT THE DAMN PRESS!!!!!!

It down right pisses me off... But all that is beside the point. Ike is a horrible role model, regardless of how he tries to make up for it, that is the point. Michael Jackson spent millions making what he considers to be a magical playground and welcomed kids of all ages. Does that make up for his short comings? No. All the stuff Ike does to try to atone for him being himself does not make up for his short comings either.

A lot of you might think I am being way too harsh and cynical. I consider it being logical and honest and refusing to lie to myself.

Here is the truth.... Read carefully because this is the ace in the hole. This is the absolute truth... And no one here can ever argue it as being false...

YOU WANT THE TRUTH???? Ask a child?

Again.... Ask them about Ike... to describe him. Tell you what they like about him, etc. My child educated opinion doesn't mean squat to anyone but me. You guys should never base YOUR decision off of mine. As far as you guys are concerned, I am not being reasonable... Fact is.. I just refuse to lie to myself, to let the little things obfuscate the truth... I based my decision on the only factor that mattered... Kids.

I do not like Ike, I think he sucks as a person. Why? Ask a kid to describe him.

Forget about the rest of it... The atonement can never make up for the damage.

If I was top dog at ESPN, I wouldn't have DQ'd Ike for a tourney and given him a slap on the wrist. I would have banned Ike from BASS tournaments forever. He would no longer be fishing BASS as a Pro.

Non Professionals deserve second chances, and sometimes thirds and fourths... not Pros.

Good Fishing,

-Paul-

[procraftrob]

I just cant see where you are comin from on this one paul,.
I think its fixed in your head that just because youve seen Ike lose his cool a few times on tv, and dress "hip hop" that Ike is some sort monster, which he is most certainly not.

The only evidence you have of Ike bieng a bad guy according to you is that he has pr people, Im tierd of that being your only crutch, thats not a bad thing, its a normal thing, and what if his pr people are really nice as well and have good intentions. Is that not possible.

I dont know what youre talking about when you say ask a kid, how does that prove your point, most kids like him, and maybe I need to remind you of this, kids arent looking at this guy to determine major life changing decisions, and if they were what would they base it on, watching him tie a knot or set the hook.

Maybe you have your kid watch fishing shows to figure out wether or not to do drugs or go to college. Because it sounds like you do. Thats your job buddy.

"The atonement can never make up for the damage", what the hell are you talking about, WHAT DAMAGE!!! What has he done thats so bad. You talk about him in about the same tone I would talk about Adolf Hitler.

Maybe you should start a hate Ike cult so you could attemt to brain wash some people into thinking the cynical way you do. I hope your child is not member number one in the cult, It sounds like he might be and if he or she is you should seek counseling.


Now there is obviously no convincing you but I cant help but try.

NEVER GIVE UP !!!!

[bass smacker]

Pro athletes shouldn't be viewed as role models in fishing and in every sport. They do their job which is to fish, they aren't getting paid to be role models.
Soooooooooo you think that pro athletes get payed to play the game. Well let me enlighten you they get payed so other people can make more money off them.. Do you think that a team/sponcers look at a athlete and thinks hey he/she can play/fish of hit better than others so we will just shot him a cupple of million bucks????
No the pay tham becuse others look up to them becuse thay play the game well and those people will buy the products that they use. Becuse (Now get this I know its hard to wrap your mind around this) Thay want to be like them kind of like a ROLE MODLE... If it wasnt for the fans that look up to them they would be just some guy/girl that plays fishes or hits better than most.

Why the insults? Did I insult you? I think not.

How about this. If you are so worried about it, don't watch bass shows anymore. It's that simple. Everyone in the public eye SHOULD NOT be viewed as a role model, period. Paris Hilton and Britney Spears are all over TV. Are they role models? lol

Sorry about the way i came off hadnt had my cofee yet
BUT your right they should not be viwed as roles modles but are.
(have you not seen all the Peris Hilton look a likes wandering the streets ) Its part of being a actress/acter/singer or pro athleat. people look up to you kids want to be like you. people will buy the producks you hawk so they can look like you play like you and catch fish like you and if you disrespect some thing or some one they will disrespect it or them to, just to be like you. sucks that this would has come to this but thats that facts fokes

[Tin Can]

No worries man, I can understand your point of view and I do believe everyone should be held accountable for their actions.

[NaCl]

To the PETA-inclined, bass fishing shows...along with hunting, horse racing, offroad motor vehicle racing...they're all terrible role models for young children to see on television. NASCAR and NHRA teach children to not care about the air we breath. No matter who you are or what you promote, you're ALWAYS going to gore somebody else's Ox.

And if there is any real "truth" (as the self righteous nipples likes to profess) in this overall thread, its best stated by the simple views of a 16 year old boy (who is actually speaking more like a man than some of the other posters). Read his words...they offer wisdom and insight far beyond his years.

http://www.westernbass.com/forum/viewto ... =38523&f=2

.....NaCl

[nipples]

I just cant see where you are comin from on this one paul,.
I think its fixed in your head that just because youve seen Ike lose his cool a few times on tv, and dress "hip hop" that Ike is some sort monster... Blah Blah Blah...

I dont know what youre talking about when you say ask a kid...

Blah blah blah butt-hurt blah blah blah.

Maybe you have your kid watch fishing shows to figure out wether or not to do drugs or go to college. Because it sounds like you do. Thats your job buddy.

"The atonement can never make up for the damage", what the hell are you talking about, WHAT DAMAGE!!! What has he done thats so bad. You talk about him in about the same tone I would talk about Adolf Hitler.

Maybe you should start a hate Ike cult so you could attemt to brain wash some people into thinking the cynical way you do. I hope your child is not member number one in the cult, It sounds like he might be and if he or she is you should seek counseling.


Now there is obviously no convincing you but I cant help but try.

NEVER GIVE UP !!!!

Gee procraftrob... One would think you are Ike himself posting under the anonymity of a screen name.. Getting a little butt-hurt and bent are we?... Taking little stabs and jabs at me personally?... LOL... It's all good... LOL

Apparently I need to bring this down a few notches so that you can "see where I am coming from".

When I took my 9 year old nephew fishing and he lost a fish and threw the rod I lent him down on the deck and started having a hissy fit... I sat him down real quick and had a heart to heart talk with him. Apparently he felt it was what he was supposed to do cus that is what he saw Ike do. He had the impression that to be as good as Ike, he had to be overdramatic when he lost a fish. So we sat there and had a heart to heart and I pointed out that he never saw anyone else do this and KVD is a much better fisherman than Ike and you would never see him have a tantrum over loosing a fish. He never saw his dad or uncles act that way. And I explained that it is ok to be disappointed, but adults have self control. Only morons and wussies act out like that because they are too dumb and weak to control themselves like adults.

Now as Dean pointed out, a 16 year old is generally not going to be as impressionable. I said ask a kid, not ask a teen/young man. So by kid I am talking about a 6 to 12 year old range. Most 16 year olds are far beyond being that impressionable and are taking on huge responsibilities like cars and jobs. However, they are a few exceptions, hence the main reason for the disclaimers at the beginning of any episode of Jackass on MTV (a show I absolutely hate), but that is still a very small percentage.

I have a ton of nephews and a ton of friends who have kids who are into fishing. I was over at a buddy’s house and we were pouring worms in the garage, and his kids were playing video games in the house. He had to go inside 4 times to quite his 8 year old down. Every time he won, he went Ike, started jumping around the living room and was actually banging his head into the arm of the couch and was screaming "never give up", "never give up".

I told him, dude, you gotta stop letting that kid watch Ike. That kid worships Ike and watches every BASS tourney with intent looking for glimpses of his hero.

That friend is going though a process of getting the Ike disciplined out of his son right now. Dad had to sit him down and tell him he is not allowed to act that way...

Now how confusing is that for a kid?

So procraftrob, there is the damage I am talking about. Emotional damage... On the plus side it forces good parents into parenting their kids. On the bad side, bad parents let it go and continue and little Johnny is going to grow up and have a rocky road ahead because of it.

Currently my friend’s son is being disciplined for acting out like Ike. If he acts like that, he doesn't get video games for 1 week. My nephew now understands that if he ever throws one of my rods on the deck again and has a tantrum that I will never take him fishing again. He knows I love him and care about him and that I want to take him fishing, but not if he is going to behave badly.

So those are my two experiences with kids regarding Ike.... It was 2 too many if you ask me.

Do you now "see where I am coming from" procraftrob???

By the way... The First Holy Church of BASS Cult service starts at 11:00AM Sunday. The entire congregation hopes you will join us... This Sundays the sermon is titled "blessed be the Ike, for he shows us how not to behave".... LOL!!!!

Sorry about the confusion about what I consider "kids" Dean... You are spot-on the right path.. Look to the kids (pre-teen) and you will find the truth.


Good Fishing,

-Paul-

[Mike]

Ban Nipples.........

[upriverLMB]

Ban Nipples.........

I second that

LMB

[g-man]

Ban Nipples.........

I second that

LMB

Mike was joking! Asking anyone to get banned is lame!

[upriverLMB]

over 6,000 posts is lame, but never give up

LMB

[procraftrob]

Nipples once again you sight 2 young childrens tantrums, as Ike being a horrible individual, what 9 year old doesnt throw a tantrum occasionally.

How do those 2 instances show that Ike is exploiting a cancer patient. If thats all you've got to base these page long rants about how Ike is such a bad guy , then you are fighting with an uloaded gun my friend.

[g-man]

LAME!!!!!

If it was you, and people wanted to ban you how would you feel? 6000 posts? you sure came back quick!

instead of wasting peoples time if you have a responce take it to PMs!

[nipples]

Nipples once again you sight 2 young childrens tantrums, as Ike being a horrible individual, what 9 year old doesnt throw a tantrum occasionally.

How do those 2 instances show that Ike is exploiting a cancer patient. If thats all you've got to base these page long rants about how Ike is such a bad guy , then you are fighting with an uloaded gun my friend.

You should try reading procraftrob.. You are talking out of the side of yer neck right now and I hate to tell you this, but yer gun aint loaded.... If you had read what I typed, you would know this.

Now go back and actually read it... all of it... from the beginning....

I never said nor inferred that those 2 instances had anything to do with Ike exploiting a cancer patient... You might stand a chance at winning a debate once in a while if you paid attention... Unfortunately for you, this is not one of those times. I know reading can be tough, but I have faith in you... never give up!!! you can do it!!!

[BassManDan]

This topic is STILL here?!

Yeah, I like to have a good debate, but c'mon!
All you guys clearly aren't fishing enough

BassManDan

[Riverdawg]

I see my post has continued to stake its claim on the front page, but now things are getting way off from its original intent.


All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I never thought that when I first posted it, that it would become such an epidemic!

Amazing.

~RIVERDAWG

[upriverLMB]

Maybe you should try the search function and check out the previous responces to this topic. You were trolling and I took the bait. Damn like them greenies on the river this afternoon