Velvick Vs. Martens
Velvick Vs. Martens
After watching the Bassmasters from Falcon Lake, I was a bit surprised on how things when when Aaron and Byron were sharing water for three days. Then come crunch time, things got testy.... Who should have backed off? Should either of them have backed off? Who's water was it? Does it matter?
The show gave a pretty good idea of how things can get heated when I big win is on the line. Aaron could have had a meltdown on stage and crushed Byron, but he didnt(or they edited it out) But the fact remains, when two guys are pounding one spot, who has the right of way????
The show gave a pretty good idea of how things can get heated when I big win is on the line. Aaron could have had a meltdown on stage and crushed Byron, but he didnt(or they edited it out) But the fact remains, when two guys are pounding one spot, who has the right of way????
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It's my opinion that the spot belonged to both. The fighting between the two was ridiculous. Byron had a legitimate chance to win so Aaron is crazy to think he was going to give him the spot.
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I just finished watching it and it's hard to say because we don't know who actually found the spot 1st..
I just hate that this had to happen to Aaron who happens to be my favorite Elite Series Angler..
I just hate that this had to happen to Aaron who happens to be my favorite Elite Series Angler..
AMATEURS work until they get it RIGHT..
PROFESSIONALS WORK until they CAN'T get it Wrong..
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Like Aaron hasn't showed up on a spot that someone else was working over the years?Rod Wynn wrote:I just finished watching it and it's hard to say because we don't know who actually found the spot 1st..
I just hate that this had to happen to Aaron who happens to be my favorite Elite Series Angler..
It was both there water. Byron had a shot to win as did Aaron. Aaron let Byron get in his head and it showed on the show and at the weigh in each day and during his post day interviews with the press.
Both had a right to be there, no one poached "Aarons Water".
Welcome to the world of professional bass fishing in a B.A.S.S. event. The old invintationals were just as ruthless if not more due to the 200 boat fields!
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After that show I guess that Perris is off the list as an Elite Tour stop. Lots of pressure on those guys to do well all the time for their sponsor's. More stuff like that happens every event that probably never gets shown. Rick G.
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All I can say is that Aaron sounded like a little girl. He should have "rolled with the punches" and done whatever it took for the win. Instead, he was picking a fight with Byron (who kept his cool) and pretty much begging Byron to give him the spot.
My spot, my bait, my this, my that.... Sad.
My spot, my bait, my this, my that.... Sad.
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E.S.P.N. loves that kind of stuff.
It happens all the time with the full field and they never show it.
E.S.P.N. does it to try and get this kind of thing going on the internet. This thread falls right into what they want .... more publicity for Bassmasters.
It happens all the time with the full field and they never show it.
E.S.P.N. does it to try and get this kind of thing going on the internet. This thread falls right into what they want .... more publicity for Bassmasters.
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There was a time when you had a 200 foot rule, then it became the first boat there owns the spot. It doesn't matter who discovered the spot first, you leave and it's open to whomever moves onto it.
Falcon is a big body of water that fished very small.
Aaron made the mistake of not going directly to his spots and Byron moved onto them. Later when Byron moved onto a second area Aaron was fishing and definately got into Aaron's head. Byron knew Aaron couldn't deal with the pressure and the was dog eat dog time, bad sportsmenship on Byron's end, because he took advantage of a weakness he knew Aaron had.
If you are not invited onto a small spot that a boat is already on, back off.
Tom
Falcon is a big body of water that fished very small.
Aaron made the mistake of not going directly to his spots and Byron moved onto them. Later when Byron moved onto a second area Aaron was fishing and definately got into Aaron's head. Byron knew Aaron couldn't deal with the pressure and the was dog eat dog time, bad sportsmenship on Byron's end, because he took advantage of a weakness he knew Aaron had.
If you are not invited onto a small spot that a boat is already on, back off.
Tom
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I should have put a disclaimer on this thread....No Layerly's allowed. In case you did not see the point of the thread, I will spell it out for you:
Who was out of line when two guys are sharing water and they both think it is theirs? The reason I asked was because every one of our friggin lakes around here causes us to fish like these two and share water, or LEAVE and let the other guy have it! Since this is not about someone on this board, all opinions should be objective with no drama or agendas.
I am not glorifying ESPN's attempt at creating a feud between two guys that have know each other for years. And I seriously doubt the PA's at espn were trying to get something started on the internet, especiall Westernbass

Who was out of line when two guys are sharing water and they both think it is theirs? The reason I asked was because every one of our friggin lakes around here causes us to fish like these two and share water, or LEAVE and let the other guy have it! Since this is not about someone on this board, all opinions should be objective with no drama or agendas.
I am not glorifying ESPN's attempt at creating a feud between two guys that have know each other for years. And I seriously doubt the PA's at espn were trying to get something started on the internet, especiall Westernbass

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Its first come first serve and I believe there is no distance rule. However there are a bunch of unwritten rules. Maybe Byron did break one of the unwritten agreements that the pro's have and it bothered A-Martens. If some obey and others don't there are going to be some that will be unhappy.
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Listen Stumpy.....
You better watch out this weekend on Pyramid.
You may have a boat sneek up on you and soak you .....
You better watch out this weekend on Pyramid.
You may have a boat sneek up on you and soak you .....
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imo if I can cast anyone of my swimbaits either on your deck or on your lure than you are too close! If I see someone intent on working an area I'm pointed towards I cast out in their direction to let them know.
best thing to do is flag the person down from deep water and ask politely if you can work a certain area. It's that simple.
best thing to do is flag the person down from deep water and ask politely if you can work a certain area. It's that simple.
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I'm not going to Pyramid this weekend, probably next....but I have eyes in the back of my head looking out for drunk gang banger on the PWC that has a forty in one hand, and a blunt in the other
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It was definitely both to theirs to share. I think Aaron did alot more whining and crying then he should have. Obviously there were better bites going on at different parts of the lake. Scroggins rolled in with 44 lbs. the last day so what does that tell you?
Also I read on bassfan that Ish was acting like a big cry baby too. Paul Elias found the same spot as Ish and waited outside for Ish to move or leave and he never did then when Ish's roommie pulled up he told to his roommie to come up and Paul told him he wasn't going to sit back and let that happen. The next day Elias was out before Ish and jumped on the spot. Elias caught some fish and gave the bait he was using and the spot to Ish and all he did was cry that Elias disrespected him for not leaving the sport to him. In these tournaments first one has rights unless you are sharing water.
It's shame what happens at times.
Also I read on bassfan that Ish was acting like a big cry baby too. Paul Elias found the same spot as Ish and waited outside for Ish to move or leave and he never did then when Ish's roommie pulled up he told to his roommie to come up and Paul told him he wasn't going to sit back and let that happen. The next day Elias was out before Ish and jumped on the spot. Elias caught some fish and gave the bait he was using and the spot to Ish and all he did was cry that Elias disrespected him for not leaving the sport to him. In these tournaments first one has rights unless you are sharing water.
It's shame what happens at times.
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Is that a swimbait across the deck? or does Phua show up and put both guys to sleep? 

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From what I heard, they were both fishing the same spot during practice... I doubt either of them told the other how good the spot was during practice so they both legitamately found the fish and have the right to compete for the spot.
If it was one of those "He wasn't there on the first day, but knew I fished it, did well, and then he showed up on the second day" instances, then it is a different story.
If it was one of those "He wasn't there on the first day, but knew I fished it, did well, and then he showed up on the second day" instances, then it is a different story.
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i usually just read the responses, but i could not resist but saying my two cents..Martins is just a little cry baby..I remember back in the day when i used to fish against him in ABA, tears would come to his eyes at lake casitas..Numerous times he would be leading the tourny and then at the last part of the weigh-in Bill Seimental would weigh-in 2 bass and beat everyone..Rather then take it like a man Martins would nearly cry, saying "Swimbaits should not be allowed in tournaments." he would litterly have mist in his eyes after he just got beat...Anyways i have lost a lot of respect for the man over the years for the antics that he has pulled, but i have to say he is a awesome fisherman...
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I posed this question to see what others thought about sharing water and fish...not to know who was a whiner. Keep on track so I know the best way to handle this the next time Layerly shows up on my water 

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Darren,
At the risk of spoiling your day, I fished with Terry at Pyramid yesterday in our club tourney and we took third with 10lbs even.
We found fish in Posie and Skillet, nearly all the way back.
We had a double first thing in Posie, on the north walls past the big midway point. I threw a homemade 8" swimbait parallel and over one of the rocky points, and Terry threw a Zoom 4" green pumkin lizard, spilt shot, #2 offset hook (small and light) with a 30" leader, tight to the walls. Pull slowly, pause. I think the lizard floated up and had a lot of movement in a small bait, with all the legs and the tail.
He had pulled the lizard out and down to the base of the walls when he got bit.
I started burning my swimbait back so I could net for him, and got slammed when it come over the rocky point.
Mine was just over 2lbs, and his was 2 1/2, our big fish of the day.
I almost **** when I swung mine in, on 20lb. and turned to see him swing in his on 6lb. Especially when I saw it come off on the back deck, so he had to trap it on the deck to keep it from going over the size. At least I'd swung mine into the seat well.
He got three more fish back there, including another keeper.
He got one keeper across in Skillet, on the lizard, and then we moved to Bear Trap, Tin Cup, Yellow Bar, and Lost Mine for nada,
I decided that, since there were fish there, we should return to Posie and finish out the day there if we got bit again.
That was at mid day, with a 3 o'clock weighin.
I had been throwing reaction stuff, Orbit 80s and Spro minnow jerkbaits and a craw orange/black back D2 16 Rapala crank, to compliment his Lizard, and we both had tried shakey head worms, but when we returned to Posie I tied on a split shot Lizard, one of his, and put our fifth keeper in the boat.
We then proceeded to go through another ten fish, half keepers, and culled up from 8 to 10 lbs.
It's a good starting point, if you can't prefish. I think the fish were at the base of the walls, or lower down on them, rather than tight and shallow.
And I got three keepers, all of which culled, on the rocky point midway back on the north side.
We had 20 fish total, all but one on the lizard.
Hope this helps.
I'm going back this Thursday (work's slow, playing hookie).
I'll probably try some other stuff in other areas, and I'll let you know if I find anything.
Email me Friday and remind me. You know I have CRS.
At the risk of spoiling your day, I fished with Terry at Pyramid yesterday in our club tourney and we took third with 10lbs even.
We found fish in Posie and Skillet, nearly all the way back.
We had a double first thing in Posie, on the north walls past the big midway point. I threw a homemade 8" swimbait parallel and over one of the rocky points, and Terry threw a Zoom 4" green pumkin lizard, spilt shot, #2 offset hook (small and light) with a 30" leader, tight to the walls. Pull slowly, pause. I think the lizard floated up and had a lot of movement in a small bait, with all the legs and the tail.
He had pulled the lizard out and down to the base of the walls when he got bit.
I started burning my swimbait back so I could net for him, and got slammed when it come over the rocky point.
Mine was just over 2lbs, and his was 2 1/2, our big fish of the day.
I almost **** when I swung mine in, on 20lb. and turned to see him swing in his on 6lb. Especially when I saw it come off on the back deck, so he had to trap it on the deck to keep it from going over the size. At least I'd swung mine into the seat well.
He got three more fish back there, including another keeper.
He got one keeper across in Skillet, on the lizard, and then we moved to Bear Trap, Tin Cup, Yellow Bar, and Lost Mine for nada,
I decided that, since there were fish there, we should return to Posie and finish out the day there if we got bit again.
That was at mid day, with a 3 o'clock weighin.
I had been throwing reaction stuff, Orbit 80s and Spro minnow jerkbaits and a craw orange/black back D2 16 Rapala crank, to compliment his Lizard, and we both had tried shakey head worms, but when we returned to Posie I tied on a split shot Lizard, one of his, and put our fifth keeper in the boat.
We then proceeded to go through another ten fish, half keepers, and culled up from 8 to 10 lbs.
It's a good starting point, if you can't prefish. I think the fish were at the base of the walls, or lower down on them, rather than tight and shallow.
And I got three keepers, all of which culled, on the rocky point midway back on the north side.
We had 20 fish total, all but one on the lizard.
Hope this helps.
I'm going back this Thursday (work's slow, playing hookie).
I'll probably try some other stuff in other areas, and I'll let you know if I find anything.
Email me Friday and remind me. You know I have CRS.
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If there is a Lizard bite, the Kratzer boyz will find it! I'm betting Karl loaded his boat too...
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Here are the results...
Harl did not fish, is doing a 5K walk next weekend, and fishing on Sunday, may have felt a bit guilty about leaving wifey this past weekend. By the way, great to fish in Poulson's new boat!
http://www.castaicbassclub.com/Results_0408.htm
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Anyone Tivo this? I was on the water and forgot to record it. Would love to see the drama though.....
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Is there any way to get off of a DirecTV DVR? If so, I still have it and will send it to you...
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Yeah, you need a DVD burner or VHS ......
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Forget all that, those fish were incredible , so many hogs , I'll be in Texas next month so................
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How about this for publicity, ESPN/BASS was responsible for the
death of over TWO TONS OF BIG BASS AT FALCON. They caught
around 7,000lbs, but the majority of then DIED! The town of Zapata and most south Texas anglers are UP IN ARMS. I don't think
that in the twenty five years of being in this industry, we have ever
seen anything like it. The president of the chamber asked BASS if
they would stay and help retrive the hundreds of dead bass floating in Falcon and their answer was to BOOK down to Amistad.
If this had happened out in California on Castaic or some other
trophy lake, how would anglers respond???????
death of over TWO TONS OF BIG BASS AT FALCON. They caught
around 7,000lbs, but the majority of then DIED! The town of Zapata and most south Texas anglers are UP IN ARMS. I don't think
that in the twenty five years of being in this industry, we have ever
seen anything like it. The president of the chamber asked BASS if
they would stay and help retrive the hundreds of dead bass floating in Falcon and their answer was to BOOK down to Amistad.
If this had happened out in California on Castaic or some other
trophy lake, how would anglers respond???????
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that is just insane! let me guess the fish were kept in too hot of water and overcrowded?
talk about a BITTER sweet tournament. I hope BASS steps up to the plate and donates some time/money to help replenish that great fishery!
do you have any links to this story Lane?
talk about a BITTER sweet tournament. I hope BASS steps up to the plate and donates some time/money to help replenish that great fishery!
do you have any links to this story Lane?
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id say close it or maybe they should of invested in rejuv
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http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/outd ... 98856.html
Pretty long link and of course BASS played it WAY down. While it
was true that 158 of the fish died either at the scales or right afterwords, they release hundreds of dead and dying bass to float
all over the lake. No mention of that in the story. It was sooo bad
that I received a phone call from the Zapata Chamber of Commerce
president last week on my cell phone about the incident. Of course there are pictures, but I don't think that they need to be in circulation. The average fish caught was 8lbs.
You hit the nail on the head Bassenvy, there is NO WAY that you can stuff 30lb plus sack of 5 fish in a 15 to 20 gallon livewell. The
surface water temps were 77F. The TWO 700gallon release barges could not handle the fish. One of the co anglers is a friend of mine
and he said it was real bad out there on the water. Many deep caught fish were culled and left floating to die. They will be
back next year since ESPN made Zapata sign a two year contract.
A good deal of the blame goes to that arrogant Trip Weldon, he
was FORWARNED that a five fish limit would overwhelm the livewells, and release tanks. Most ALL tournament down there are
three fish limits, or five fish for teams. As you can tell I am more that just a little PI$$ED OFF about this.
Pretty long link and of course BASS played it WAY down. While it
was true that 158 of the fish died either at the scales or right afterwords, they release hundreds of dead and dying bass to float
all over the lake. No mention of that in the story. It was sooo bad
that I received a phone call from the Zapata Chamber of Commerce
president last week on my cell phone about the incident. Of course there are pictures, but I don't think that they need to be in circulation. The average fish caught was 8lbs.
You hit the nail on the head Bassenvy, there is NO WAY that you can stuff 30lb plus sack of 5 fish in a 15 to 20 gallon livewell. The
surface water temps were 77F. The TWO 700gallon release barges could not handle the fish. One of the co anglers is a friend of mine
and he said it was real bad out there on the water. Many deep caught fish were culled and left floating to die. They will be
back next year since ESPN made Zapata sign a two year contract.
A good deal of the blame goes to that arrogant Trip Weldon, he
was FORWARNED that a five fish limit would overwhelm the livewells, and release tanks. Most ALL tournament down there are
three fish limits, or five fish for teams. As you can tell I am more that just a little PI$$ED OFF about this.
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Very sad.Lane wrote:http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/outd ... 98856.html
Pretty long link and of course BASS played it WAY down. While it
was true that 158 of the fish died either at the scales or right afterwords, they release hundreds of dead and dying bass to float
all over the lake. No mention of that in the story. It was sooo bad
that I received a phone call from the Zapata Chamber of Commerce
president last week on my cell phone about the incident. Of course there are pictures, but I don't think that they need to be in circulation. The average fish caught was 8lbs.
You hit the nail on the head Bassenvy, there is NO WAY that you can stuff 30lb plus sack of 5 fish in a 15 to 20 gallon livewell. The
surface water temps were 77F. The TWO 700gallon release barges could not handle the fish. One of the co anglers is a friend of mine
and he said it was real bad out there on the water. Many deep caught fish were culled and left floating to die. They will be
back next year since ESPN made Zapata sign a two year contract.
A good deal of the blame goes to that arrogant Trip Weldon, he
was FORWARNED that a five fish limit would overwhelm the livewells, and release tanks. Most ALL tournament down there are
three fish limits, or five fish for teams. As you can tell I am more that just a little PI$$ED OFF about this.
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WOW!!! What a tragedy! I'd expect the locals and supporting organizations to gather together and petition against allowing them back in next year, regardless of whatever contracts have been signed - this is clear violation and abuse of the resources availed to them for hosting the tournament, and can't be allowed to pass without challenge.
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You know whats the IRONIC thing about the whole fish kill, too?
B.A.S.S. was created some forty years ago to stand for the conservation of the Bass and to end the fish kills that major tournaments had accomplish back in the days.
I always thought BASS stood for the conversation of the ecosystem of the bass fishery. Hopefully they will resolve this the right way.
I don't think we'll be seeing a record breaking tournament next year at Falcon Lake, if they're even allowed back at the lake. Hopefully if everything works out best for the fish, they won't be back next year.
Thanks,
CHUY
B.A.S.S. was created some forty years ago to stand for the conservation of the Bass and to end the fish kills that major tournaments had accomplish back in the days.
I always thought BASS stood for the conversation of the ecosystem of the bass fishery. Hopefully they will resolve this the right way.
I don't think we'll be seeing a record breaking tournament next year at Falcon Lake, if they're even allowed back at the lake. Hopefully if everything works out best for the fish, they won't be back next year.
Thanks,
CHUY
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that's not counting the co-anglers that were catching 25-30lbs! It's a shame that there isn't some kind of backup system when conditions are met.Lane wrote:You hit the nail on the head Bassenvy, there is NO WAY that you can stuff 30lb plus sack of 5 fish in a 15 to 20 gallon livewell. The
surface water temps were 77F. The TWO 700gallon release barges could not handle the fish.
the other link didn't work for me this one should...
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colu ... 98856.html
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Thanks for the link.
I read to me like BASS is going to do something different in the future.
I'm not a BASS lover. I think they are just a corporate business now, and only care about the bottom line. At least while Ray Scott owned it, he knew enough about fishing and fish, and cared enough about public image, that Bass would never have done something this stupid.
ESPN must have stupid somewhere in their corporate name and mission, like Extra Stupid People Network.
If we have enough sense out here in SoCal to only allow 6 hour tournaments and a separate weighin bag for fish over 5lbs, and to take care of our fish, with a DFG observer at most Castaic weighins, for example, how hard could it have been to see this coming, and to make some other arrangement?
Shame on BASS for letting this happen.
I read to me like BASS is going to do something different in the future.
I'm not a BASS lover. I think they are just a corporate business now, and only care about the bottom line. At least while Ray Scott owned it, he knew enough about fishing and fish, and cared enough about public image, that Bass would never have done something this stupid.
ESPN must have stupid somewhere in their corporate name and mission, like Extra Stupid People Network.
If we have enough sense out here in SoCal to only allow 6 hour tournaments and a separate weighin bag for fish over 5lbs, and to take care of our fish, with a DFG observer at most Castaic weighins, for example, how hard could it have been to see this coming, and to make some other arrangement?
Shame on BASS for letting this happen.
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If you watch the Bastmasters Falcon event that I have on my DVR, it shows one of the competitors "stuffing" an 8lb + fish in an already stuffed livewell....NO WAY thos fish were going to survive.....That is just sad....
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It would be nice if Texas Parks and Wildlife implemented some of the same regulations on tournaments as California Game and Fish
when water temperatures warm up, especially down here in south
Texas. But I am not going to hold my breath. The official response from the director of Inland Fisheries, and this a direct quote to my
husband was, "they legally have the right to keep and kill every fish
that they retain". Of course Texas like most states has a wasting of
game law, in which it is "illegal to release gamefish that are dead or obviously going to die". MANY nice fish were culled from livewells and left floating to die. This added to the overall mortality and problem. They could have at least donated the dead fish to hungry
families.
Chuy, Ray Scott would have NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN. Mortality rates were LOW from the 80's to the mid 90's, we have the studies
to prove it. When ESPN bought BASS everything was thrown out the door. Corporate ESPN/Disney World doesn't give a darned.
The "grassroot" federations do a pretty good job for the most part.
Their national conservation director took plenty of credit for standing up against the closure of Lake Casistas. I find this pretty ironic, since we were THERE and spoke during the meeting. I did not see any official BASS representative there. Of course the national CD did sign a letter that was drafted by another organization, thanks to the hard work of John B and Ron C.
One thing is for sure, when they come back they will either get things right or face a media FEEDING FRENZY. Zapata does NOT
want them back because of the NEGATIVE publicity, but I am sure
that ESPN's corporate lawyer's would sue them. They have given
tournament anglers an other organizations a BLACK EYE in the
publics view. Too bad we have all have to suffer for the actions
of a few! If you read the article, Trip blamed the co-anglers, who
from what I was told by people that were observers did a better
job overall. Of course they caught less fish, blaming the average Joe is CRAZY. I don't believe for one minute that they were more
responsible. BASS reduced the co-angler limit to 3 fish down at
Amistad, but not the pros. Since livewell overcrowding was an issue
at Falcon, how would this help reduce overcrowding and mortality
in the pros livewells? What a bunch of IDIOTS!!!!!!!!
when water temperatures warm up, especially down here in south
Texas. But I am not going to hold my breath. The official response from the director of Inland Fisheries, and this a direct quote to my
husband was, "they legally have the right to keep and kill every fish
that they retain". Of course Texas like most states has a wasting of
game law, in which it is "illegal to release gamefish that are dead or obviously going to die". MANY nice fish were culled from livewells and left floating to die. This added to the overall mortality and problem. They could have at least donated the dead fish to hungry
families.
Chuy, Ray Scott would have NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN. Mortality rates were LOW from the 80's to the mid 90's, we have the studies
to prove it. When ESPN bought BASS everything was thrown out the door. Corporate ESPN/Disney World doesn't give a darned.
The "grassroot" federations do a pretty good job for the most part.
Their national conservation director took plenty of credit for standing up against the closure of Lake Casistas. I find this pretty ironic, since we were THERE and spoke during the meeting. I did not see any official BASS representative there. Of course the national CD did sign a letter that was drafted by another organization, thanks to the hard work of John B and Ron C.
One thing is for sure, when they come back they will either get things right or face a media FEEDING FRENZY. Zapata does NOT
want them back because of the NEGATIVE publicity, but I am sure
that ESPN's corporate lawyer's would sue them. They have given
tournament anglers an other organizations a BLACK EYE in the
publics view. Too bad we have all have to suffer for the actions
of a few! If you read the article, Trip blamed the co-anglers, who
from what I was told by people that were observers did a better
job overall. Of course they caught less fish, blaming the average Joe is CRAZY. I don't believe for one minute that they were more
responsible. BASS reduced the co-angler limit to 3 fish down at
Amistad, but not the pros. Since livewell overcrowding was an issue
at Falcon, how would this help reduce overcrowding and mortality
in the pros livewells? What a bunch of IDIOTS!!!!!!!!
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This topic really needs it's own thread Lane......I only say this because it needs to be talked about.
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I dont understand why everyone thinks BASS did this on purpose. Any tournament trail that had not been there in the past would have had the same problem. There is nothing you can do other then cancel the event halfway though due to fish care. All tournament orgs need to take this into consideration next time they go there in the late spring/summer months. And as far as your "JOKE OF A COMMENT" how BASS is corporate and dont care about the fish. They put more money into Bass conservation than FLW or any other trail around. Blaming BASS/ESPN for knowingly killing bass for good TV is a joke. B.A.S.S and all Anglers involved did EVERYTHING possible to keep the fish healthy. This whole thread should exsist to figure out a solution to the problem, not to pull BASS threw the dirt on something they haven't expierienced before (No trail has)...
Give it a rest.....and lets find a solution....
Give it a rest.....and lets find a solution....
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Lane,
The Mayor of Zapata went up on stage after the final day weigh-in and welcomed them to come back anytime. Not to mention my friend said BASS was doing everything possible from handing out extra bags of ice to cans of release me. Your apperant attitude towards BASS for not staying in the west is your true issue. If it was FLW who was over there you would be praising them for how hard they tried...
Give it a rest..
The Mayor of Zapata went up on stage after the final day weigh-in and welcomed them to come back anytime. Not to mention my friend said BASS was doing everything possible from handing out extra bags of ice to cans of release me. Your apperant attitude towards BASS for not staying in the west is your true issue. If it was FLW who was over there you would be praising them for how hard they tried...
Give it a rest..
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I can't speak about what was/wasn't done since I wasn't there but it was obvious that they were herding guys through the weigh in smashing as many fish in one bag as possible. Fish were popping out of bags left and right.
One thing that really stands out in my mind was almost EVERY pro angler that crossed the stage said "this is the best fishery I've ever fished I hope you guys take care of it!"
BASS/ESPN needs to publicly acknowledge this incident if they haven't already. They should set the standard on fish care being so nationally recognized.
One thing that really stands out in my mind was almost EVERY pro angler that crossed the stage said "this is the best fishery I've ever fished I hope you guys take care of it!"
BASS/ESPN needs to publicly acknowledge this incident if they haven't already. They should set the standard on fish care being so nationally recognized.
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You cant put 5 bags on a scale, 1 bag is the only way. A water scale would have overflowed with that kind of weight. And on top of that why dont you guys mention the articles that read an annual harvest of 150 fish a week. Everyone down there meat fishes and doesn't release fish anyways. God knows what happens on the Mexico side.
But did BASS have a problem with mortality rate, Yes. Do you think they will try something differant next time, Yes. It is what it is and BASS did nothing intentional.
But did BASS have a problem with mortality rate, Yes. Do you think they will try something differant next time, Yes. It is what it is and BASS did nothing intentional.
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if anything it brought national attention on how important fish care is. I hope people across the US are more aware of the fish in there well.. maybe the unfortunate incident of losing some fish will save others across the US.. We can only hope.
Create your own luck.
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bigbass111,
I will address your comments. First off, this is not a FLW vs BASS
issue. I would be just as upset if it had been FLW. I can assure you
that, Please Release Me WAS NOT HANDED OUT as you stated, and
even if it was, it probably would not have saved fish in livewells
that were so overcrowed that they were not EVEN IN WATER. I think that I would know if it was passed out since I am the biologist that CO-OWNS THE COMPANY with my husband, who just
so happens to be a lifetime member of BASS!
What did you expect the Zapata mayor to say, "Gee thanks for killing our fish" on ESPN camera. Get real!
No doubt that ESPN/BASS are experts at working the political system for the release of federal grant money for conservation
efforts. We definately support efforts made by ANY tournament
organization to help fund conservation. Most of the BASS GRASSROOT federations do a great job with fish care and conservation, and I am sure that several of FLW federations do the
same. There is a distinct difference from corporate and grassroots.
SOLUTION
It would have been GREAT if they could have made adjustments on
day 2, and reduced the creel limit to 3 fish. They knew what they were dealing with after DAY 1. They could have easily adjusted creel limits for the rest of the tournament. Bottomline is that they
wanted to BREAK RECORDS down at Falcon for TV ratings. Mission
accomplished, but at the expense of not only the fishery but other
tournament organizations who will be scrutinized and raked through the coals if ONE OR TWO FISH ARE FOUND FLOATING. Not
good for tournament anglers or the fishing industry in general.
The president of the Zapata Chamber asked if they could allow a couple of BASS staff to stay and help retreive dead fish. That would
have been the RESPONSIBLE thing to do.
I am sure that ESPN/BASS did not go to Falcon to knowingly kill bass, but they did NOTHING to ease the situation once it became
obvious that it was occuring. I live down here, and Falcon is one
of our home lakes. We assist the Zapata Chamber of Commerce with their own tournament, as well as others because we CARE. Our ongoing history of assisting tournament anglers and organizations down at Falcon is well documented on our website.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN DOWN
THERE, PERIOD!
I will address your comments. First off, this is not a FLW vs BASS
issue. I would be just as upset if it had been FLW. I can assure you
that, Please Release Me WAS NOT HANDED OUT as you stated, and
even if it was, it probably would not have saved fish in livewells
that were so overcrowed that they were not EVEN IN WATER. I think that I would know if it was passed out since I am the biologist that CO-OWNS THE COMPANY with my husband, who just
so happens to be a lifetime member of BASS!
What did you expect the Zapata mayor to say, "Gee thanks for killing our fish" on ESPN camera. Get real!
No doubt that ESPN/BASS are experts at working the political system for the release of federal grant money for conservation
efforts. We definately support efforts made by ANY tournament
organization to help fund conservation. Most of the BASS GRASSROOT federations do a great job with fish care and conservation, and I am sure that several of FLW federations do the
same. There is a distinct difference from corporate and grassroots.
SOLUTION
It would have been GREAT if they could have made adjustments on
day 2, and reduced the creel limit to 3 fish. They knew what they were dealing with after DAY 1. They could have easily adjusted creel limits for the rest of the tournament. Bottomline is that they
wanted to BREAK RECORDS down at Falcon for TV ratings. Mission
accomplished, but at the expense of not only the fishery but other
tournament organizations who will be scrutinized and raked through the coals if ONE OR TWO FISH ARE FOUND FLOATING. Not
good for tournament anglers or the fishing industry in general.
The president of the Zapata Chamber asked if they could allow a couple of BASS staff to stay and help retreive dead fish. That would
have been the RESPONSIBLE thing to do.
I am sure that ESPN/BASS did not go to Falcon to knowingly kill bass, but they did NOTHING to ease the situation once it became
obvious that it was occuring. I live down here, and Falcon is one
of our home lakes. We assist the Zapata Chamber of Commerce with their own tournament, as well as others because we CARE. Our ongoing history of assisting tournament anglers and organizations down at Falcon is well documented on our website.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN DOWN
THERE, PERIOD!
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One of my friends fished as a co-angler and he said that the word was passed in increase fish care and if they needed any assistance to get with tripp. Ice and fish care products were handed out if needed. There isn't one tournament trail that would have changed a format mid tournament. Overcrowding wasn't the big kill either, deep water fizzing and warm water contributed to death. I fish the everglade's where our water temp year-round is 80 degree's peaking into the 95-97 degree range. 30 pound bags come in by the dozens during that time frame with only a few fish dying due to the elements. If three fish limits were enforced the same percentage of fish would pass to the amount that survive (due to air bladder) not crowding. This was definantly the greatest tournament ever with some poor mortality rates. But again you cannot put BASS up on this pedestal, any and every trail would have finished the same. In fact my friend spoke to some locals that fish there all the time in club events. They said that half of there fish weighed in die from being caught deep. Maybe when BASS goes back there next year they will schedule it around cooler weather and in the spawn when the fish are shallower. This is a community fishing problem we need to look at and not try to blame BASS for putting on the best event of all time...
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Does anyone think the increasing weight/size of the fish could be a factor? Maybe the live wells have become deficient. In the past for me it has been tough sometimes to stuff 30#+ of fish in certain manufactures wells.
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Andy...
....when have you had that problem....
.....Just playin man....


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BASS needs to take Scott Swank's "Bends Mender" (no Ray, not mens bender) on as the official fizzing tool for the Elite series. It's so simple, even I can do it. It wouldn't take anything away from the fishing time of the competitors, and it sure would save a lot of fish, and make for some good PR.
Attitude plus effort equal success
CLEAN AND DRY
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e-mail BASS that info, I'm sure they would appreciate it. Anything that can help in the future...
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