I suppose Jeff C. (the resident leftist without a roadmap) will tell you that the big earred s- - - K didn't say this either:
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the
world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
--Barack Hussein Obama
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God, I hope Obama said that. I don't hear McCain saying it wants to keep things like they are now. Your hero George Bush has started this nation down the road of ruine, any of the presidential candidates are looking to change things.
Maybe that other thread was right, are you still in elementary school?
Maybe that other thread was right, are you still in elementary school?
Florida transplant, miss my Bass fishing
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None of this is going to matter after November. Hussien can't win the white house. (Since I have always called Bush by his middle initial... dubbya... its only fair to apply the same standard to whats-his-name). I am not really excited about the old guy, but he is clearly the best of the remaining 3.
Just my .02, now Jeff C. and FishaHallic can reply and throw out names like Bush, Hannity, Savage, etc. and call me a greedy republican.
Just my .02, now Jeff C. and FishaHallic can reply and throw out names like Bush, Hannity, Savage, etc. and call me a greedy republican.
CHANGE is not a destination, and HOPE is not a strategy!
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Getalife;
You shouldn't pick on the two dilberts (Jeff C and Fishaholic) - after all they are good Christians...at least their comments lead one to believe thay have been attending Losers Cathedral for most of their lives....................
You shouldn't pick on the two dilberts (Jeff C and Fishaholic) - after all they are good Christians...at least their comments lead one to believe thay have been attending Losers Cathedral for most of their lives....................
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They are both just misguided.
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One of us is misguided only time will tell which one.getalife wrote:They are both just misguided.
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Well that was certainly stupid for him to say that. Hmm I wonder what, or if our current President has ever made any stupid remarks??? I'm going to make a wild guess that "dubya" didn't graduate at the top of his class.
Quotes from President Bush
"Anyway, I'm so thankful, and so gracious - I'm gracious that my brother Jeb is concerned about the hemisphere as well." -George W. Bush, June 4, 2001
"It's important for young men and women who look at the Nebraska champs to understand that quality of life is more than just blocking shots." -George W. Bush, in remarks to the University of Nebraska women's volleyball team, the 2001 national champions, May 31, 2001
"So on behalf of a well-oiled unit of people who came together to serve something greater than themselves, congratulations." -George W. Bush, in remarks to the University of Nebraska women's volleyball team, the 2001 national champions, May 31, 2001
"If a person doesn't have the capacity that we all want that person to have, I suspect hope is in the far distant future, if at all." -George W. Bush, May 22, 2001
"For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." -George W. Bush, May 14
"There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead." -George W. Bush, May 11, 2001
"But I also made it clear to (Vladimir Putin) that it's important to think beyond the old days of when we had the concept that if we blew each other up, the world would be safe." -George W. Bush, May 1, 2001
"First, we would not accept a treaty that would not have been ratified, nor a treaty that I thought made sense for the country." -George W. Bush, on the Kyoto accord, April 24, 2001
"It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade, there's more commerce." -George W. Bush, at the Summit of the Americas in Quebec City, April 21, 2001
"Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican." -George W. Bush, declining to take reporters' questions during a photo op with Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien, April 21, 2001
"It is time to set aside the old partisan bickering and finger-pointing and name-calling that comes from freeing parents to make different choices for their children." -George W. Bush, on "parental empowerment in education," April 12, 2001
"I think we're making progress. We understand where the power of this country lay. It lays in the hearts and souls of Americans. It must lay in our pocketbooks. It lays in the willingness for people to work hard. But as importantly, it lays in the fact that we've got citizens from all walks of life, all political parties, that are willing to say, I want to love my neighbor. I want to make somebody's life just a little bit better." -George W. Bush, April 11, 2001
"This administration is doing everything we can to end the stalemate in an efficient way. We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end." -George W. Bush, April 10, 2001
"It would be helpful if we opened up ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). I think it's a mistake not to. And I would urge you all to travel up there and take a look at it, and you can make the determination as to how beautiful that country is." -George W. Bush, at a White House Press conference, March 29, 2001
"I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and Hispanically." -George W. Bush, speaking at the Radio & Television Correspondents dinner, March 29, 2001
"A lot of times in the rhetoric, people forget the facts. And the facts are that thousands of small businesses - Hispanically owned or otherwise - pay taxes at the highest marginal rate." -George W. Bush, speaking to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, March 19, 2001
"But the true threats to stability and peace are these nations that are not very transparent, that hide behind the-that don't let people in to take a look and see what they're up to. They're very kind of authoritarian regimes. The true threat is whether or not one of these people decide, peak of anger, try to hold us hostage, ourselves; the Israelis, for example, to whom we'll defend, offer our defenses; the South Koreans." -George W. Bush, in a media roundtable discussion, March 13, 2001
"I do think we need for a troop to be able to house his family. That's an important part of building morale in the military." -George W. Bush, speaking at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, March 12, 2001
"I suspect that had my dad not been president, he'd be asking the same questions: How'd your meeting go with so-and-so? … How did you feel when you stood up in front of the people for the State of the Union Address-state of the budget address, whatever you call it." -George W. Bush, in an interview with the Washington Post, March 9, 2001
"Ann and I will carry out this equivocal message to the world: Markets must be open." -George W. Bush, at the swearing-in ceremony for Secretary of Agriculture Ann Veneman, March 2, 2001
"My pan plays down an unprecedented amount of our national debt." -George W. Bush, in his budget address to Congress, Feb. 27, 2001
"I have said that the sanction regime is like Swiss cheese - that meant that they weren't very effective." -George W. Bush, during a White House press conference, Feb. 22, 2001
"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' -George W. Bush, Feb. 21, 2001
"It's good to see so many friends here in the Rose Garden. This is our first event in this beautiful spot, and it's appropriate we talk about policy that will affect people's lives in a positive way in such a beautiful, beautiful part of our national - really, our national park system, my guess is you would want to call it."-George W. Bush, Feb. 8, 2001
"We're concerned about AIDS inside our White House - make no mistake about it." -George W. Bush, Feb. 7, 2001
"There's no such thing as legacies. At least, there is a legacy, but I'll never see it." -George W. Bush, speaking to Catholic leaders at the White House, Jan. 31, 2001
"I appreciate that question because I, in the state of Texas, had heard a lot of discussion about a faith-based initiative eroding the important bridge between church and state." -George W. Bush, speaking to reporters, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001
"I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001
"Then I went for a run with the other dog and just walked. And I started thinking about a lot of things. I was able to - I can't remember what it was. Oh, the inaugural speech, started thinking through that." -George W. Bush, in a pre-inaugural interview with U.S. News & World Report
"Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment." -George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
"I'm hopeful. I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, obviously. But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more likely to succeed with success as opposed to failure." -George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
"The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants." -George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
"If he's - the inference is that somehow he thinks slavery is a - is a noble institution I would - I would strongly reject that assumption - that John Ashcroft is a open-minded, inclusive person."-George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
"She's just trying to make sure Anthony gets a good meal - Antonio." -George W. Bush, on Laura Bush inviting Justice Antonin Scalia to dinner at the White House, Jan. 2001
"I want it to be said that the Bush administration was a results-oriented administration, because I believe the results of focusing our attention and energy on teaching children to read and having an education system that's responsive to the child and to the parents, as opposed to mired in a system that refuses to change, will make America what we want it to be - a more literate country and a hopefuller country." -George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
Quotes from President Bush
"Anyway, I'm so thankful, and so gracious - I'm gracious that my brother Jeb is concerned about the hemisphere as well." -George W. Bush, June 4, 2001
"It's important for young men and women who look at the Nebraska champs to understand that quality of life is more than just blocking shots." -George W. Bush, in remarks to the University of Nebraska women's volleyball team, the 2001 national champions, May 31, 2001
"So on behalf of a well-oiled unit of people who came together to serve something greater than themselves, congratulations." -George W. Bush, in remarks to the University of Nebraska women's volleyball team, the 2001 national champions, May 31, 2001
"If a person doesn't have the capacity that we all want that person to have, I suspect hope is in the far distant future, if at all." -George W. Bush, May 22, 2001
"For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." -George W. Bush, May 14
"There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead." -George W. Bush, May 11, 2001
"But I also made it clear to (Vladimir Putin) that it's important to think beyond the old days of when we had the concept that if we blew each other up, the world would be safe." -George W. Bush, May 1, 2001
"First, we would not accept a treaty that would not have been ratified, nor a treaty that I thought made sense for the country." -George W. Bush, on the Kyoto accord, April 24, 2001
"It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade, there's more commerce." -George W. Bush, at the Summit of the Americas in Quebec City, April 21, 2001
"Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican." -George W. Bush, declining to take reporters' questions during a photo op with Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien, April 21, 2001
"It is time to set aside the old partisan bickering and finger-pointing and name-calling that comes from freeing parents to make different choices for their children." -George W. Bush, on "parental empowerment in education," April 12, 2001
"I think we're making progress. We understand where the power of this country lay. It lays in the hearts and souls of Americans. It must lay in our pocketbooks. It lays in the willingness for people to work hard. But as importantly, it lays in the fact that we've got citizens from all walks of life, all political parties, that are willing to say, I want to love my neighbor. I want to make somebody's life just a little bit better." -George W. Bush, April 11, 2001
"This administration is doing everything we can to end the stalemate in an efficient way. We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end." -George W. Bush, April 10, 2001
"It would be helpful if we opened up ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). I think it's a mistake not to. And I would urge you all to travel up there and take a look at it, and you can make the determination as to how beautiful that country is." -George W. Bush, at a White House Press conference, March 29, 2001
"I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and Hispanically." -George W. Bush, speaking at the Radio & Television Correspondents dinner, March 29, 2001
"A lot of times in the rhetoric, people forget the facts. And the facts are that thousands of small businesses - Hispanically owned or otherwise - pay taxes at the highest marginal rate." -George W. Bush, speaking to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, March 19, 2001
"But the true threats to stability and peace are these nations that are not very transparent, that hide behind the-that don't let people in to take a look and see what they're up to. They're very kind of authoritarian regimes. The true threat is whether or not one of these people decide, peak of anger, try to hold us hostage, ourselves; the Israelis, for example, to whom we'll defend, offer our defenses; the South Koreans." -George W. Bush, in a media roundtable discussion, March 13, 2001
"I do think we need for a troop to be able to house his family. That's an important part of building morale in the military." -George W. Bush, speaking at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, March 12, 2001
"I suspect that had my dad not been president, he'd be asking the same questions: How'd your meeting go with so-and-so? … How did you feel when you stood up in front of the people for the State of the Union Address-state of the budget address, whatever you call it." -George W. Bush, in an interview with the Washington Post, March 9, 2001
"Ann and I will carry out this equivocal message to the world: Markets must be open." -George W. Bush, at the swearing-in ceremony for Secretary of Agriculture Ann Veneman, March 2, 2001
"My pan plays down an unprecedented amount of our national debt." -George W. Bush, in his budget address to Congress, Feb. 27, 2001
"I have said that the sanction regime is like Swiss cheese - that meant that they weren't very effective." -George W. Bush, during a White House press conference, Feb. 22, 2001
"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' -George W. Bush, Feb. 21, 2001
"It's good to see so many friends here in the Rose Garden. This is our first event in this beautiful spot, and it's appropriate we talk about policy that will affect people's lives in a positive way in such a beautiful, beautiful part of our national - really, our national park system, my guess is you would want to call it."-George W. Bush, Feb. 8, 2001
"We're concerned about AIDS inside our White House - make no mistake about it." -George W. Bush, Feb. 7, 2001
"There's no such thing as legacies. At least, there is a legacy, but I'll never see it." -George W. Bush, speaking to Catholic leaders at the White House, Jan. 31, 2001
"I appreciate that question because I, in the state of Texas, had heard a lot of discussion about a faith-based initiative eroding the important bridge between church and state." -George W. Bush, speaking to reporters, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001
"I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well." -George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001
"Then I went for a run with the other dog and just walked. And I started thinking about a lot of things. I was able to - I can't remember what it was. Oh, the inaugural speech, started thinking through that." -George W. Bush, in a pre-inaugural interview with U.S. News & World Report
"Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment." -George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
"I'm hopeful. I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, obviously. But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more likely to succeed with success as opposed to failure." -George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
"The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants." -George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
"If he's - the inference is that somehow he thinks slavery is a - is a noble institution I would - I would strongly reject that assumption - that John Ashcroft is a open-minded, inclusive person."-George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
"She's just trying to make sure Anthony gets a good meal - Antonio." -George W. Bush, on Laura Bush inviting Justice Antonin Scalia to dinner at the White House, Jan. 2001
"I want it to be said that the Bush administration was a results-oriented administration, because I believe the results of focusing our attention and energy on teaching children to read and having an education system that's responsive to the child and to the parents, as opposed to mired in a system that refuses to change, will make America what we want it to be - a more literate country and a hopefuller country." -George W. Bush, Jan. 2001
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Your comments aren't the least bit funny, they are a sad statement of your lack of understanding and ability in interpersonal communications.
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This guy McCkenzie fits the Jeff C. and Fishaholic mode of not being able to debate the issue. George Bush is not running for election;
and you should remember (if you were old enough) that Dubya beat the best the Democraps could offer in two consecutive elections. He did his thing...he won and that is really all that counts . This guy B. Hussein Obama is trying to get to the White House and defends his position that he would rather listen to "God Damn America" than the National Anthem..... but then what do you expect.??..look at and repeat his full name..........................
and you should remember (if you were old enough) that Dubya beat the best the Democraps could offer in two consecutive elections. He did his thing...he won and that is really all that counts . This guy B. Hussein Obama is trying to get to the White House and defends his position that he would rather listen to "God Damn America" than the National Anthem..... but then what do you expect.??..look at and repeat his full name..........................
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Let me add a few extra quotes from our GREAT president:
1. "Brownie's doin a fine job" on former FEMA dir. Michael Brown's wonderful job of running FEMA after Katrina hit.
2. "The economy is just fine" Continues to say this meanwhile the economy is in the tank, fuel prices are the HIGHEST we have ever paid, and housing market is WORST we've ever seen.
3. "The war in Iraq is giong great", ya know I won't touch this one, all's he'd have to do is OPEN his damn eyes.
Well to sum this all up, if you still think he's the GREATEST since sliced bread, maybe you need to crawl outta the rock you've been hiding under the last 7 years!!!!!!
1. "Brownie's doin a fine job" on former FEMA dir. Michael Brown's wonderful job of running FEMA after Katrina hit.
2. "The economy is just fine" Continues to say this meanwhile the economy is in the tank, fuel prices are the HIGHEST we have ever paid, and housing market is WORST we've ever seen.
3. "The war in Iraq is giong great", ya know I won't touch this one, all's he'd have to do is OPEN his damn eyes.
Well to sum this all up, if you still think he's the GREATEST since sliced bread, maybe you need to crawl outta the rock you've been hiding under the last 7 years!!!!!!
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You liberals are so predictable, the only defense you have is to attack Bush. No one was talking about Bush. After November Bush will be insignificant. Lets talk about Hussien... whats that... theres nothing to talk about? How about Hillary... I heard she made a corkscrew landing into Pennsylvania yesterday and then delivered her speech under sniper fire. You have no idea how entertaining it is to be on our side, watching the two top democrats self destruct.
I just know Jeff C and FishaHallic will somehow be able to work "Bush lied", Hannity, Savage and maybe a "big oil" into their response.
How about just discussing your candidate. Whats so special about Obama? Enlighten me.
I just know Jeff C and FishaHallic will somehow be able to work "Bush lied", Hannity, Savage and maybe a "big oil" into their response.
How about just discussing your candidate. Whats so special about Obama? Enlighten me.
CHANGE is not a destination, and HOPE is not a strategy!
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FishaHallic
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I don't blame you, I would not want to talk about Bush either if I were a republican. Bush is just a good example of how inept and out of touch the republican party really is.getalife wrote:You liberals are so predictable, the only defense you have is to attack Bush. No one was talking about Bush. After November Bush will be insignificant. Lets talk about Hussien... whats that... theres nothing to talk about? How about Hillary... I heard she made a corkscrew landing into Pennsylvania yesterday and then delivered her speech under sniper fire. You have no idea how entertaining it is to be on our side, watching the two top democrats self destruct.
I just know Jeff C and FishaHallic will somehow be able to work "Bush lied", Hannity, Savage and maybe a "big oil" into their response.
How about just discussing your candidate. Whats so special about Obama? Enlighten me.
Florida transplant, miss my Bass fishing
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FishaHallic
Actually, I agree with you on Bush and the way he has mismanaged the country. I have never pretended to be a Bush supporter. I am a conservative. Bush is way to far to the left for me. He still was a better choice than Gore or Kerry.
My choice this election was Duncan Hunter, but he is no longer in the race so I have to settle for the lesser of three evils (McCain).
The issue I care most about is border security, an area where McCain falls short. I would vote for anyone, Rep or Dem, that promises to seal the border tight and start deporting those illegals that break our laws. The hard working illegals that are here to make a living may be given limited work visas... NO AMNESTY & NO ANCHOR BABIES!
Now tell me, am I that wacked-out. Could you possibly disagree with me on that issue?
Actually, I agree with you on Bush and the way he has mismanaged the country. I have never pretended to be a Bush supporter. I am a conservative. Bush is way to far to the left for me. He still was a better choice than Gore or Kerry.
My choice this election was Duncan Hunter, but he is no longer in the race so I have to settle for the lesser of three evils (McCain).
The issue I care most about is border security, an area where McCain falls short. I would vote for anyone, Rep or Dem, that promises to seal the border tight and start deporting those illegals that break our laws. The hard working illegals that are here to make a living may be given limited work visas... NO AMNESTY & NO ANCHOR BABIES!
Now tell me, am I that wacked-out. Could you possibly disagree with me on that issue?
CHANGE is not a destination, and HOPE is not a strategy!
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Well, I disagree with your choice of being a conservative. To me a conservative is no better than these Mullahs (?) in the Muslim countries that force you to conform to theirbeliefs. And the one main belief that most conservatives have is on the abortion issue. They want to limit womans right for abortions on there religious beliefs that abortion is murder. So now you are forcing your religion down my throat and I don't like it, this is why I compare your type (maybe not you personally) to these Mullahs. What are you guys gonna want next, religious police or maybe force people to say a public prayer in school or make me put my hand on a bible and swear to a god that I do not believe in? Where does it end when everyone converts to Christianity or leaves the country or maybe even is killed for not converting? This all sounds like alot of the things that are going on in the middle east right now and if you can't see the similarities then I feel sorry for you.getalife wrote:FishaHallic
Actually, I agree with you on Bush and the way he has mismanaged the country. I have never pretended to be a Bush supporter. I am a conservative. Bush is way to far to the left for me. He still was a better choice than Gore or Kerry.
My choice this election was Duncan Hunter, but he is no longer in the race so I have to settle for the lesser of three evils (McCain).
The issue I care most about is border security, an area where McCain falls short. I would vote for anyone, Rep or Dem, that promises to seal the border tight and start deporting those illegals that break our laws. The hard working illegals that are here to make a living may be given limited work visas... NO AMNESTY & NO ANCHOR BABIES!
Now tell me, am I that wacked-out. Could you possibly disagree with me on that issue?
Seal the borders you say? On this I agree, the borders must be sealed and protected. I don't think deporting all the illegals is the answer though. My opinion is most of them are hard working and tax payers and are just trying to improve themselves. It is true that some are milking services from the gov't but that is true about american citizens as well.
My thought on this is to seal the borders as soon as possible and then when they are sealed properly start deportation of illegals. Not all illegals mind you, just the ones that can't prove they are paying taxes, and the criminals. If your an illegal and have committed a felony then you should be deported. If your an illegal and committed a misdeamenor and can prove that you are paying taxes then don't deport is how I feel.
Now this McCain thing, I will agree he is far better than Bush but he is still not my choice. He is still a republican and the republicans have had 8 yrs to prove themselves and like I said in another post " the proof is in the pudding". The pudding in this case is the United States of America, recession, record oil prices, record deficits and record discontent from the american citizens and stuck in a war we cannot win.
Florida transplant, miss my Bass fishing
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FishaHallic
Now were getting somewhere! We can agree on the border (and notice that I did not say that ALL illegals should be deported, just the ones that brake our laws).
On abortion... I just don't care about this issue. It has always been a hot issue to the democrats. Most conservatives that I know just want the Fed's out of our lives. So, with abortion, if the next President (McCain) were to appoint a few conservative judges that overturned Roe V. Wade, that would not have much effect. It would make the issue a state issue and not a federal issue... thats it! I am all for state rights and shrinking the role of the federal govt. I think most conservatives would agree with me.
Abortion should never be a form of birth control, but there are definitely some instances where it may be the right thing to do. I don't want to limit a womans rights, I want to limit the federal governments rights.
I, personally, am not too religious. The people I associate with are also not too religious. In fact, I really don't know too many people that go to church. The "religious right" is a very small group. Most conservatives just have very good common sense. When you think about all of the issues that face our nation, I would bet that we agree on most things. The difference between you and I is the venom that I hear from you on almost every post. I have no hatred for Obama or Hillary. I don't like their politics and I don't think their vision is good for America but differing opinions make life interesting. I find this whole presidential race interesting. In the end we WILL have a president, and life will go on. I don't expect any aspect of my life to change much after November.
Now were getting somewhere! We can agree on the border (and notice that I did not say that ALL illegals should be deported, just the ones that brake our laws).
On abortion... I just don't care about this issue. It has always been a hot issue to the democrats. Most conservatives that I know just want the Fed's out of our lives. So, with abortion, if the next President (McCain) were to appoint a few conservative judges that overturned Roe V. Wade, that would not have much effect. It would make the issue a state issue and not a federal issue... thats it! I am all for state rights and shrinking the role of the federal govt. I think most conservatives would agree with me.
Abortion should never be a form of birth control, but there are definitely some instances where it may be the right thing to do. I don't want to limit a womans rights, I want to limit the federal governments rights.
I, personally, am not too religious. The people I associate with are also not too religious. In fact, I really don't know too many people that go to church. The "religious right" is a very small group. Most conservatives just have very good common sense. When you think about all of the issues that face our nation, I would bet that we agree on most things. The difference between you and I is the venom that I hear from you on almost every post. I have no hatred for Obama or Hillary. I don't like their politics and I don't think their vision is good for America but differing opinions make life interesting. I find this whole presidential race interesting. In the end we WILL have a president, and life will go on. I don't expect any aspect of my life to change much after November.
CHANGE is not a destination, and HOPE is not a strategy!
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This is awsome, I see maybe our points of view are not too different but a little bit anyways. I will admit I have a hatred of GWs policies and it has made me pay more attention to politics even though I always watched it before anyway. I think it is just how this administration has just trampled anyone that did not go along with them including generals and judges and other countries that has turned me against the republicans.
As far as abortion goes, that is also a sticking point with me. It just gets under my skin that people can shove there religion down my throat when I would never think of imposing my views on them. If someone does not believe in abortion than more power to them, don't have one. But, certainly don't make a woman give birth to a baby that she can't or won't take care of, this is not fair to the child. There are so many kids in this country in foster homes already that will never be adapted so adaption can't be the only answer. I don't really like abortions either, but things happen, you can't tell people to abstain or use birth control and expect everyone to do the right thing and in my opinion it is just not fair to the child to be brought up in a world without parents and someone to love them because these are the kids that end up in jail or on welfare.
One last thing. No matter how one feels about President Clinton he did do a good job for this country. Now I don't blame GW for 9-11 or anything like that and I realize he was dealt a pretty rough hand because of 9-11 but what he has done since then is not sitting well with me. Like I said before the republicans have had almost 7yrs since 9-11, and I don't think they did the right things in the aftermath of that day. Afganistan was the right thing to do. Iraq I thought was the right thing to do also but GW and his people went about it all wrong and took there eye off Afganistan and now we are on the losing end of two wars.
I could go on but I am sure I have said it before and you have seen it before so I will shut up.............For NOW
Oops, sorry I did not see this from your ealier post "How about just discussing your candidate. Whats so special about Obama? Enlighten me. " The answer is he is not Bush
As far as abortion goes, that is also a sticking point with me. It just gets under my skin that people can shove there religion down my throat when I would never think of imposing my views on them. If someone does not believe in abortion than more power to them, don't have one. But, certainly don't make a woman give birth to a baby that she can't or won't take care of, this is not fair to the child. There are so many kids in this country in foster homes already that will never be adapted so adaption can't be the only answer. I don't really like abortions either, but things happen, you can't tell people to abstain or use birth control and expect everyone to do the right thing and in my opinion it is just not fair to the child to be brought up in a world without parents and someone to love them because these are the kids that end up in jail or on welfare.
One last thing. No matter how one feels about President Clinton he did do a good job for this country. Now I don't blame GW for 9-11 or anything like that and I realize he was dealt a pretty rough hand because of 9-11 but what he has done since then is not sitting well with me. Like I said before the republicans have had almost 7yrs since 9-11, and I don't think they did the right things in the aftermath of that day. Afganistan was the right thing to do. Iraq I thought was the right thing to do also but GW and his people went about it all wrong and took there eye off Afganistan and now we are on the losing end of two wars.
I could go on but I am sure I have said it before and you have seen it before so I will shut up.............For NOW
Oops, sorry I did not see this from your ealier post "How about just discussing your candidate. Whats so special about Obama? Enlighten me. " The answer is he is not Bush
Florida transplant, miss my Bass fishing
Re: Another B. Hussein Obama quote
I can agree on almost everything you said. When we take out all the negativity we actually see the world very similarly. Why cant our elected officials do the same?
Bill Clinton was president at the right time. Some would argue that he was reaping the benefits of the Reagan years, and there may be some truth to that. Overall he did a good job, even though he was morally bankrupt.
Obama... you say "he is not Bush". That is true, but neither is Hillary or McCain. Bush is gone in a few months and we have to fix the mess that was made in Iraq. Pulling out is the worst thing we can do at this point. The only answer, as I see it, is to increase our presence and complete the job. We need to put pressure on the mid-east nations to tend their own gardens.
I don't feel that Obama or Clinton have what it takes to lead us down the right path. I am unsure of McCain, but what choices are left? At least he has been there. He knows what it is like to be on the receiving end of an enemy rifle. He knows what it is to be deployed in a hostile country. He doesn't have to lie about sniper fire like Hillary.
If the war against terrorism, or the war in Iraq, is important to you, then ask yourself which candidate would our enemy want elected? I do not want that candidate.
Bill Clinton was president at the right time. Some would argue that he was reaping the benefits of the Reagan years, and there may be some truth to that. Overall he did a good job, even though he was morally bankrupt.
Obama... you say "he is not Bush". That is true, but neither is Hillary or McCain. Bush is gone in a few months and we have to fix the mess that was made in Iraq. Pulling out is the worst thing we can do at this point. The only answer, as I see it, is to increase our presence and complete the job. We need to put pressure on the mid-east nations to tend their own gardens.
I don't feel that Obama or Clinton have what it takes to lead us down the right path. I am unsure of McCain, but what choices are left? At least he has been there. He knows what it is like to be on the receiving end of an enemy rifle. He knows what it is to be deployed in a hostile country. He doesn't have to lie about sniper fire like Hillary.
If the war against terrorism, or the war in Iraq, is important to you, then ask yourself which candidate would our enemy want elected? I do not want that candidate.
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FishaHallic
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Re: Another B. Hussein Obama quote
All the things GW said he would not do he is now doing. Remember the axis of evil. North Korea, Iran and Syria ( I believe). GW said he would not speak with his enemies. GW in the last several yrs has been negotiating with all of them even after he chastised the dems for going to Syria and speaking with them. He has negotiated with N. Korea basically the same settlement that Bill Clinton reached but at the time he took office GW was all over that agreement saying we gave too much.
I will devote the rest of this answer to the meat of the problem...."The War".
Afghanistan is a war we must win. The way things are right now is that the Iraq war is sucking up money, materials and soldiers from Afghanistan. This intern, is causing all the troops to be stretched too thin or over used for too long of time. We can't keep going at this rate for much longer without serious issues of troop readiness, equipment shortages and overall moral.
As far as Iraq is concerned, I was all for it. Not because of WMDs in which I believe the intelligence was shaped to show WMDs. I thought the Iraq war was right because Saddam was thumbing his nose at the International community. We were inforcing a no-fly zone for around 10 yrs with no end in sight and he was causing even more friction in the Middle East then there normal high level of tensions.
The problem with Iraq is we went in with way too few of troops. The president would not listen to his generals that said they needed between 250-300 thousand troops and instead this general was forced to retire. So now, instead of going in, removing Saddam and establishing a gov't and getting out we are stuck there. The war was never about Al Queda which is the war we must fight and win.
Iraq is in the middle of a civil war plain and simple. This gov't can't committ troops for an unlimited time which is what McCain has suggested. We can't afford it financialy or in the cost of lives lost or shattered. Iraq is a lost cause so why pay more with the lives of our young men and woman.
We are now paying the Iraqis to be on our side. Yes, that's right, we are paying the same people that were shooting at us and killing our soldiers just a couple of yrs ago to be on our side now. Who thinks these Iraqis will stay on our side after the money stops, I sure don't.
I think history proves that the Middle East is one screwed up area. These people are ignorant cave dwellers that live in the past, that can't forgive and forget and will hold a grudge for eternity. They have no loyalties except for those that can give them what they want at that time. The people of the Middle East have been known to change sides in the heat of battle if it looks like the other side is winning. How can you work with these type people, in my opinion you can't.
I remember when the United States was going to pull out of Vietnam and all the doom and gloom that was predicted. The N Vietnamese were gonna come in and kill everyone and wipe the place out. Guess what, that did not happen. Sure some people were sent for "re-education" but there were no mass killings or ethnic cleansing. As a matter of fact Vietnamese troops were the ones to go into Cambodia and stop all the killing by Pol Pot (The Killing Fields). Vietnam now has a thriving economy, we are working on establishing permanent relations and all is good. Remember Vietnam was not about religion but about politics.
Iraq is all about religion. This is a war of religion, shites against the sunnis. A civil war based on religion and this won't change no matter how much we pay, train, support and rebuild. As soon as we leave there will be a huge power struggle, wether we leave tomorrow or decades from now they will fight because that is what they do. So get out now and focus our efforts and energies on Afghanistan and rebuilding our military for the coming war with Iran.
Which brings me to my last point. "The Draft". I say bring back the draft. I think the last 7 yrs have shown that an all volunteer armed services is not going to work in this day and age. We need to do more like the Isrealis do. After high school have every able bodied persons train in the military for a year or two to have a reserve of troops at least semi trained in case the worst happens. Right now we are fighting in 2 relatively small countries but what would happen if we fought a China or Russia, it would not be good I tell you.
I will devote the rest of this answer to the meat of the problem...."The War".
Afghanistan is a war we must win. The way things are right now is that the Iraq war is sucking up money, materials and soldiers from Afghanistan. This intern, is causing all the troops to be stretched too thin or over used for too long of time. We can't keep going at this rate for much longer without serious issues of troop readiness, equipment shortages and overall moral.
As far as Iraq is concerned, I was all for it. Not because of WMDs in which I believe the intelligence was shaped to show WMDs. I thought the Iraq war was right because Saddam was thumbing his nose at the International community. We were inforcing a no-fly zone for around 10 yrs with no end in sight and he was causing even more friction in the Middle East then there normal high level of tensions.
The problem with Iraq is we went in with way too few of troops. The president would not listen to his generals that said they needed between 250-300 thousand troops and instead this general was forced to retire. So now, instead of going in, removing Saddam and establishing a gov't and getting out we are stuck there. The war was never about Al Queda which is the war we must fight and win.
Iraq is in the middle of a civil war plain and simple. This gov't can't committ troops for an unlimited time which is what McCain has suggested. We can't afford it financialy or in the cost of lives lost or shattered. Iraq is a lost cause so why pay more with the lives of our young men and woman.
We are now paying the Iraqis to be on our side. Yes, that's right, we are paying the same people that were shooting at us and killing our soldiers just a couple of yrs ago to be on our side now. Who thinks these Iraqis will stay on our side after the money stops, I sure don't.
I think history proves that the Middle East is one screwed up area. These people are ignorant cave dwellers that live in the past, that can't forgive and forget and will hold a grudge for eternity. They have no loyalties except for those that can give them what they want at that time. The people of the Middle East have been known to change sides in the heat of battle if it looks like the other side is winning. How can you work with these type people, in my opinion you can't.
I remember when the United States was going to pull out of Vietnam and all the doom and gloom that was predicted. The N Vietnamese were gonna come in and kill everyone and wipe the place out. Guess what, that did not happen. Sure some people were sent for "re-education" but there were no mass killings or ethnic cleansing. As a matter of fact Vietnamese troops were the ones to go into Cambodia and stop all the killing by Pol Pot (The Killing Fields). Vietnam now has a thriving economy, we are working on establishing permanent relations and all is good. Remember Vietnam was not about religion but about politics.
Iraq is all about religion. This is a war of religion, shites against the sunnis. A civil war based on religion and this won't change no matter how much we pay, train, support and rebuild. As soon as we leave there will be a huge power struggle, wether we leave tomorrow or decades from now they will fight because that is what they do. So get out now and focus our efforts and energies on Afghanistan and rebuilding our military for the coming war with Iran.
Which brings me to my last point. "The Draft". I say bring back the draft. I think the last 7 yrs have shown that an all volunteer armed services is not going to work in this day and age. We need to do more like the Isrealis do. After high school have every able bodied persons train in the military for a year or two to have a reserve of troops at least semi trained in case the worst happens. Right now we are fighting in 2 relatively small countries but what would happen if we fought a China or Russia, it would not be good I tell you.
Florida transplant, miss my Bass fishing
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Guy Kelley
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Re: Another B. Hussein Obama quote
[quote="FishaHallic"]All the things GW said he would not do he is now doing. Remember the axis of evil. North Korea, Iran and Syria ( I believe). GW said he would not speak with his enemies. GW in the last several yrs has been negotiating with all of them even after he chastised the dems for going to Syria and speaking with them. He has negotiated with N. Korea basically the same settlement that Bill Clinton reached but at the time he took office GW was all over that agreement saying we gave too much.
I will devote the rest of this answer to the meat of the problem...."The War".
Afghanistan is a war we must win. The way things are right now is that the Iraq war is sucking up money, materials and soldiers from Afghanistan. This intern, is causing all the troops to be stretched too thin or over used for too long of time. We can't keep going at this rate for much longer without serious issues of troop readiness, equipment shortages and overall moral.
As far as Iraq is concerned, I was all for it. Not because of WMDs in which I believe the intelligence was shaped to show WMDs. I thought the Iraq war was right because Saddam was thumbing his nose at the International community. We were inforcing a no-fly zone for around 10 yrs with no end in sight and he was causing even more friction in the Middle East then there normal high level of tensions.
The problem with Iraq is we went in with way too few of troops. The president would not listen to his generals that said they needed between 250-300 thousand troops and instead this general was forced to retire. So now, instead of going in, removing Saddam and establishing a gov't and getting out we are stuck there. The war was never about Al Queda which is the war we must fight and win.
Iraq is in the middle of a civil war plain and simple. This gov't can't committ troops for an unlimited time which is what McCain has suggested. We can't afford it financialy or in the cost of lives lost or shattered. Iraq is a lost cause so why pay more with the lives of our young men and woman.
We are now paying the Iraqis to be on our side. Yes, that's right, we are paying the same people that were shooting at us and killing our soldiers just a couple of yrs ago to be on our side now. Who thinks these Iraqis will stay on our side after the money stops, I sure don't.
I think history proves that the Middle East is one screwed up area. These people are ignorant cave dwellers that live in the past, that can't forgive and forget and will hold a grudge for eternity. They have no loyalties except for those that can give them what they want at that time. The people of the Middle East have been known to change sides in the heat of battle if it looks like the other side is winning. How can you work with these type people, in my opinion you can't.
I remember when the United States was going to pull out of Vietnam and all the doom and gloom that was predicted. The N Vietnamese were gonna come in and kill everyone and wipe the place out. Guess what, that did not happen. Sure some people were sent for "re-education" but there were no mass killings or ethnic cleansing. As a matter of fact Vietnamese troops were the ones to go into Cambodia and stop all the killing by Pol Pot (The Killing Fields). Vietnam now has a thriving economy, we are working on establishing permanent relations and all is good. Remember Vietnam was not about religion but about politics.
Iraq is all about religion. This is a war of religion, shites against the sunnis. A civil war based on religion and this won't change no matter how much we pay, train, support and rebuild. As soon as we leave there will be a huge power struggle, wether we leave tomorrow or decades from now they will fight because that is what they do. So get out now and focus our efforts and energies on Afghanistan and rebuilding our military for the coming war with Iran.
Which brings me to my last point. "The Draft". I say bring back the draft. I think the last 7 yrs have shown that an all volunteer armed services is not going to work in this day and age. We need to do more like the Isrealis do. After high school have every able bodied persons train in the military for a year or two to have a reserve of troops at least semi trained in case the worst happens. Right now we are fighting in 2 relatively small countries but what would happen if we fought a China or Russia, it would not be good I tell you.[/quote]
Although i agree with most of what you have said as well as GetALife;
One area you you have both missed, Iran and Pakistan;
George Jr, I believe just went back to clean up what his father another decade earlier failed to finish. We had Hussein bottled up and it dint matter if he was grinding his people up in grinders or not at the time of us invading. So What !?
Nobody gets to excited about what is going on in Africa, but its just as bad or not worse as far as human rights go. What about China ?
Oil !? Don't make me laugh, we could buy all we wanted before we invaded.
WOMD, are you kidding, The biggest he had at the time was a few tanks and broken helicopters. Big Deal. Aquada, nope doesnt work for me either.
But the real problem and threat is Iran and Pakistan, until we go in and carpet bomb the Borders with Pakistan and Iraq, to once and for all wipe out Ben Laden as well as Deal with that nut job in Iran we will continue to have the problems with the mid east as we have them now.
I will devote the rest of this answer to the meat of the problem...."The War".
Afghanistan is a war we must win. The way things are right now is that the Iraq war is sucking up money, materials and soldiers from Afghanistan. This intern, is causing all the troops to be stretched too thin or over used for too long of time. We can't keep going at this rate for much longer without serious issues of troop readiness, equipment shortages and overall moral.
As far as Iraq is concerned, I was all for it. Not because of WMDs in which I believe the intelligence was shaped to show WMDs. I thought the Iraq war was right because Saddam was thumbing his nose at the International community. We were inforcing a no-fly zone for around 10 yrs with no end in sight and he was causing even more friction in the Middle East then there normal high level of tensions.
The problem with Iraq is we went in with way too few of troops. The president would not listen to his generals that said they needed between 250-300 thousand troops and instead this general was forced to retire. So now, instead of going in, removing Saddam and establishing a gov't and getting out we are stuck there. The war was never about Al Queda which is the war we must fight and win.
Iraq is in the middle of a civil war plain and simple. This gov't can't committ troops for an unlimited time which is what McCain has suggested. We can't afford it financialy or in the cost of lives lost or shattered. Iraq is a lost cause so why pay more with the lives of our young men and woman.
We are now paying the Iraqis to be on our side. Yes, that's right, we are paying the same people that were shooting at us and killing our soldiers just a couple of yrs ago to be on our side now. Who thinks these Iraqis will stay on our side after the money stops, I sure don't.
I think history proves that the Middle East is one screwed up area. These people are ignorant cave dwellers that live in the past, that can't forgive and forget and will hold a grudge for eternity. They have no loyalties except for those that can give them what they want at that time. The people of the Middle East have been known to change sides in the heat of battle if it looks like the other side is winning. How can you work with these type people, in my opinion you can't.
I remember when the United States was going to pull out of Vietnam and all the doom and gloom that was predicted. The N Vietnamese were gonna come in and kill everyone and wipe the place out. Guess what, that did not happen. Sure some people were sent for "re-education" but there were no mass killings or ethnic cleansing. As a matter of fact Vietnamese troops were the ones to go into Cambodia and stop all the killing by Pol Pot (The Killing Fields). Vietnam now has a thriving economy, we are working on establishing permanent relations and all is good. Remember Vietnam was not about religion but about politics.
Iraq is all about religion. This is a war of religion, shites against the sunnis. A civil war based on religion and this won't change no matter how much we pay, train, support and rebuild. As soon as we leave there will be a huge power struggle, wether we leave tomorrow or decades from now they will fight because that is what they do. So get out now and focus our efforts and energies on Afghanistan and rebuilding our military for the coming war with Iran.
Which brings me to my last point. "The Draft". I say bring back the draft. I think the last 7 yrs have shown that an all volunteer armed services is not going to work in this day and age. We need to do more like the Isrealis do. After high school have every able bodied persons train in the military for a year or two to have a reserve of troops at least semi trained in case the worst happens. Right now we are fighting in 2 relatively small countries but what would happen if we fought a China or Russia, it would not be good I tell you.[/quote]
Although i agree with most of what you have said as well as GetALife;
One area you you have both missed, Iran and Pakistan;
George Jr, I believe just went back to clean up what his father another decade earlier failed to finish. We had Hussein bottled up and it dint matter if he was grinding his people up in grinders or not at the time of us invading. So What !?
Nobody gets to excited about what is going on in Africa, but its just as bad or not worse as far as human rights go. What about China ?
Oil !? Don't make me laugh, we could buy all we wanted before we invaded.
WOMD, are you kidding, The biggest he had at the time was a few tanks and broken helicopters. Big Deal. Aquada, nope doesnt work for me either.
But the real problem and threat is Iran and Pakistan, until we go in and carpet bomb the Borders with Pakistan and Iraq, to once and for all wipe out Ben Laden as well as Deal with that nut job in Iran we will continue to have the problems with the mid east as we have them now.
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mac (Doyle McEwen)
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Re: Another B. Hussein Obama quote
Sad isn't it, when you can be both right and wrong at the same time..To some it may appear to be the correct thing to do, to others it is the wrong thing to do..
Abortion is one such thing..My principle reason for objecting to abortion is it is the poorest excuse for a method of birth control known..Unfortunately it is also one of the most popular..Sure there are times when abortion is completely logical..When the Supreme Court ruled the way they did in Roe vs Wade, they actually over stepped their authority under the Constitution..
I also feel they have done the same in many of their "separation of church and state" rulings..But really that is neither here nor there..
What I would really enjoy seeing is a list of all of Obamas qualifications to be the President..
mac
Abortion is one such thing..My principle reason for objecting to abortion is it is the poorest excuse for a method of birth control known..Unfortunately it is also one of the most popular..Sure there are times when abortion is completely logical..When the Supreme Court ruled the way they did in Roe vs Wade, they actually over stepped their authority under the Constitution..
I also feel they have done the same in many of their "separation of church and state" rulings..But really that is neither here nor there..
What I would really enjoy seeing is a list of all of Obamas qualifications to be the President..
mac
Take a kid fishing, and don't forget about us older kids either..
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