WOW- interesting accusation by Andre Moore!!

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:40 am

wow - this is an interesting dilema.
I was reading some of the daily news on bassfan about the incident at Lake Norman the other week and they got comment about FLW's policies from some of the anglers. What caught my eye was what Andre Moore claims happened at the 1st FLW NG last year at Havasu. I surely didn't hear anything about this before.

Here is what Andre had to say:

Andre Moore
"That they didn't do anything with a protest doesn't surprise me. FLW doesn't want to DQ anybody for anything. I did a protest last year at the first National Guard (Western FLW Series) at Havasu. My co-angler took his third-day pro partner into my hole. I called (tournament director) Chris Jones from the water I was so POed. I actually heard my co-angler from (day 2) and his partner, the night before, talking about where I fished.

"I had a written protest, witnesses, and they didn't do anything about it, and they let that SOB win the tournament on the co-angler side. Chris Jones told me it was pretty cut-and-dried â€“ they'd have to DQ the guy â€“ then 10 minutes later I hear them announce that he won. They didn't even give me a ruling. I was so mad. I never went back and asked for an explanation. Heck, there's a lawsuit right now, by Perry Johnston, against FLW for not enforcing their rules in kingfish."
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What's up with that??? Hmmm...........those are some serious accusations.

what do you think?

Kopper_Bass

Dewayne · Post by **Dewayne** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:31 am

My co-angler and I witnessed the confrontation at Havasu. We were headed in to fish there and decided it was too crowded with them playing bumper boats. As I understood it from Andre the co-angler in question had also pre-fished with his 3 day pro. Andre was pissed and rightfully so, if they did what he accused. If he took he day 3 pro to his day 2 pro's spot then he should have been DQed.

I would have to agree with Andre that FLW's rules enforcement as of late has been very lacking. They have instituted the polygraph, but I think it is more to claim a level field then to DQ those who choose to bend the rules.

I hope Kim does not pay the price for Andre's comments.

RipnRog · Post by **RipnRog** » Mon May 05, 2008 10:29 am

I will say this..... if any of you have last years columbia river flw tournament on DVR still please take a look at andres fish compared to the next competitor. In my opinion he was shorted at least 3 pounds. take a look and you decide. I remember watching it and then watching the weigh in and thinking that something was way off.

DL · Post by DL » Mon May 05, 2008 10:39 am

Does FLW allow for a re-weigh if the angler asks for it before taking the bag from the weighmaster? If it looked that far off on tv why wouldn't he ask for a re-weigh? He was staning right there and should have seen what you saw. For the scale to be that far off is suprprising....

bigbass111 · Post by **bigbass111** » Mon May 05, 2008 11:47 am

Greg Pugh is a FLW "puppet" he is directly sponsored by them and you think they are going to DQ him...

If it was a regular joe blow he would have been DQ'ed without questioning..

FLW always lets things slide when it comes to their guys. We also had a protest on Okeechobee this year that went onto deaf ears.

I would love to know what questions were asked in the polygraph test, if any.

This just shows that FLW is a long way off of holding a true "Professional event".

Do you think BASS would have even gone as far as a polygraph...NO, he would have been disqualified within seconds of admiting to "looking" for fish...

Its a joke...

redPHish · Post by **redPHish** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:01 pm

Can ears be mute? Inquiring minds want to know.

bigbass111 · Post by **bigbass111** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:06 pm

Dee Dee Dee!!!!

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Mon May 05, 2008 1:05 pm

Hmm...... dont know about that, but surely something doesnt seem right with the Lake Norman thing.

I mean we all know throwing a lure into an area is clearly fishing, but even being in an "off-limits" area seems warranting a violation.

I think David Dudley said it well.
"I don't think Greg went in there intentionally, but let me ask you this: If you're walking through the woods with a shotgun and a bird dog, but you haven't pulled the trigger yet, does that mean you're not hunting?"

In my mind, Pugh was fishing. He even admitted that had he saw something that was a good size, he would have thrown his lure in the water. his intent was to fish there - DQ all the way.

Kopper_Bass

SHAFT · Post by **SHAFT** » Mon May 05, 2008 1:10 pm

http://www.bassfan.com/news_article.asp?id=2857

Dewayne · Post by **Dewayne** » Mon May 05, 2008 1:52 pm

Since the blast off area is an off-limits area we transverse through the off-limits are at least twice a day. There is no rule agaist entering an off-limits area. We can also gas up during a tournament or go you a lock that may be off-limits to fishing. Heck, I have seen more than one person make a cast in the morning before blastoff while in the off-limits area to see how a lure runs or straiten line. That is closer to a rules violation.

From FLW Series Rules. I believe all FLW rules regarding this are similar.

12. Permitted fishing locations

Contestants may fish anywhere on tournament waters available to the public and accessible by boat, except areas designated as "off limits" or "no fishing" by local, state or federal officials or within 50 yards of a competitor's boat that was first anchored. An anchored boat is a boat held in a stable position by a line attached to a weight or by a Power Pole with the trolling motor in the up position.

All depends on how you define fishing. FLW seems to use the Clinton dictionary.

Gary Dobyns · Post by **Gary Dobyns** » Mon May 05, 2008 2:02 pm

Clinton Library ??? That's funny sh**. I never gave it thought about casting to check the tuning of lures prior to blast off. I am guilty of this one, BUT it will never happen again. Thanks for the heads up Dewayne.

BTW, I dang sure ain't sticking up for FLW. No one seems to be mentioning the latest one.

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Mon May 05, 2008 3:32 pm

I hear ya Dewayne,
I truly recognize what you're saying as legitimate reasons why a boater might be in an off-limits area and i cant argue that those are clearly not violations.

But, reading thru the other articles where Pugh explains exactly what he was doing in there, he clearly states that he made a mistake, crossed into that area, with the intent of fishing. He had his rod in his hand and was on the front deck looking for bed fish. There is just the simple technicality that that he never actually casted his lure into the water and thats only because he never saw a bed fish big enough.

You can call it what you want, but by my definition, that's fishing, and thats a violation.

All the other things you mentioned clearly are not.

Kopper_Bass

JamesH · Post by **JamesH** » Mon May 05, 2008 4:00 pm

Something has obviously gotten Gary fired up and dissapointed with the FLW......

James

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Mon May 05, 2008 4:29 pm

Well, lets read the rules: http://flw.flwoutdoors.com/rules.cfm?cid=1

4. Off-limits, practice, competition

Tournament waters will go off-limits to all FLW Tour contestants 12 days (11 days for FLW Series) prior to the first practice day in all events. Contestants, including those on the waiting list and late entries, may not enter tournament waters to fish, test equipment, sightsee, etc., during the off-limits period. Flights over tournament waters are not permitted at anytime after the start of the off-limits period.
During the off-limits period, practice and competition days, pros may not solicit and/or receive fishing information from anyone except confirmed pros and other publicly available information (pros on the waiting list are not considered confirmed). Beginning with practice and extending through competition, pros may not obtain fishing patterns or locations from co-anglers or fishing information from noncompetitors or follow a noncompetitor's boat or participate in the practice of "hole sitting" or the placing of markers by anyone. Anglers eliminated after each round of competition are considered noncompetitors. Pros in the top-10 cut may not solicit or receive fishing information from anyone except other top-10 pros.
During the off-limits period, practice and competition days, co-anglers may not solicit and/or receive fishing information from anyone except confirmed contestants and other publicly available information (anglers on the waiting list are not considered confirmed). Co-anglers who share fishing patterns or locations obtained during practice or competition with pro competitors will be disqualified along with the person utilizing this information. For the FLW Tour, co-anglers in the top-10 cut (Day 3) may not solicit or receive fishing information from anyone except other top-10 contestants.
The purchasing of or bartering for information or the hiring of services will not be permitted after the start of the off-limits. The sharing of tournament winnings in exchange for fishing information is strictly prohibited.
Tournament waters will reopen for practice four days (Saturday through Tuesday for the FLW Tour; Friday through Monday for the FLW Series) prior to registration day. Pros and co-anglers may practice alone, with another competitor, with a member of their immediate family (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, grandchild or spouse) or with approved sponsor representatives who have also observed the off-limits period and procedures or with approved media representatives. Tournament waters will be closed to all contestants on Wednesday, registration day, (Tuesday for the Series) prior to the first day of competition.

12. Permitted fishing locations

Contestants may fish anywhere on tournament waters available to the public and accessible by boat, except areas designated as "off limits" or "no fishing" by local, state or federal officials or within 50 yards of a competitor's boat that was first anchored. An anchored boat is a boat held in a stable position by a line attached to a weight or by a Power Pole with the trolling motor in the up position.
All angling must be conducted from the boat. At no time may a contestant leave the boat to land a fish or to make the boat more accessible to fishing waters.
Contestants must leave and return to the official checkpoint by boat.
The boat must remain in the tournament waters during the tournament day.
No tournament boat may be loaded on the trailer before the weigh-in except with the permission of the tournament director.
In the event of equipment failure or emergency, there will be only two permitted methods of returning to the official check-in:
by both partners remaining in their boat and being towed by water, or
by both partners entering the boat of another tournament contestant.

Under these two conditions the contestants' catches may be counted without a penalty (except for late penalties, dead-fish penalties or other penalties pertaining to other tournament rules). Contestants who elect to return to the official check-in by any other means than cited above will forfeit their day's catch to that point in time of the tournament day.
Any contestant returning to the check-in point will be eligible to restart and resume competition under the supervision of the tournament director or his designated tournament official. It is the sole responsibility of contestants to locate the tournament director to request a restart.
Partners must remain together at all times and within sight of each other until the weigh-in verification is signed in order for their catch for that day to be counted. The momentary condition of being out of sight of each other for restroom breaks is permitted. If a contestant must violate any part of this rule due to an emergency or for any other reason, their catch for that day will not be counted.

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Mon May 05, 2008 4:30 pm

According to what the rules say, it doesn't appear that he broke anything. Per what Dewayne wrote, I agree that "if" he did not make a cast then he "may" have not broken any rules.

Murph · Post by **Murph** » Mon May 05, 2008 4:45 pm

That's pretty good discipline on the part of the Co-Angler. I know if I'm in the back of the boat, and the guy up front is looking for Bedfish, I'm gonna be tossin' some Hail Mary's out to the middle of the bay. Anything to keep the worm wet!

Splash · Post by **Splash** » Mon May 05, 2008 5:19 pm

I think it's BS! If he was in there looking for fish he was fishing! This is the 3rd or 4th time I've heard of this type of stuff from FLW. The rules should be the same for everyone, not just the FLW sponsored anglers. If the game warden catch's you out with a rod & reel in your hand and no fishing liscense you're getting a ticket!

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Mon May 05, 2008 6:28 pm

Ricky,
I hear ya buddy; you wont find it in the rulebook written as a violation exactly as described. But we all know that they cant write a rule with every scenario explicitely detailed out. Heck, the US congress tries to do that all the time and we know they fail miserably.

So, the real jist of it comes down to interpretation of 2 things:
1 - what is legally fishing?
and
2 - Is admitted intent to fish, then a violation of sportsmanship?

Defining fishing only as the act of putting a lure in the water clearly seems to fly against all state and federal interpretations. What is your response to the realistic explanation that if you were on the water, with rod in hand, looking for bed fish and a warden came up to you, you would be considered as fishing! you and i both know that to be true and you would have less than 0% chance of arguing against it in court. You cannot deny that right?

Secondly, if Pugh admitted he went in there to fish and was doing it with intent to fish, then in his mind he "WAS" fishing. By the rules of sportsmanship, shouldnt he actually DQ himself?

Anyway, i'll let this one go, but i sometimes feel like this kind of interpretation of bass fishing rules, heck even our own gov't laws, as so "must be in black & white or it must be OK" expectation, tends to just bring down the whole system because there's no common sense left in it.

Peace,

Kopper_Bass

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:11 pm

Ummm... Joe, don't remember seeing bass fishing as being held to the same standards as professional golf (don't mean to piss anyone off here, but I've seen too many instances to refute the obvious). Not sure how many would actually DQ themselves based on a rules infraction if they weren't called on it... unfortunately.

I believe you're right... but unfortunately the tournament organization always has the last word (and not always the best or most honorable intentions).

Roger

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue May 06, 2008 7:45 am

There's a huge assumption here that FLW gave Pugh a break because he is on a sponsored team. It's likely the same ruling would have been made for anyone under the circumstances.

I've spent some time in the boat with Bill Taylor and believe me, he doesn't come across like a guy who's going to cut anyone a break, especially at risk to FLW's reputation.

Seems to me, as an outsider, that FLW did what they should have done per their rules.

sTony

PS - I'd add that we all go through off limits areas at some point and time during tournaments. Whether or not you've actually got your line in the water would seem to make a huge difference and DFG can't bust you for illegally fishing unless you have line in water. Been there and done that.

bigbass111 · Post by **bigbass111** » Tue May 06, 2008 7:58 am

Well unfortunatly FLW's reputation on protests is horrible. There are probably 20 threads like this on the internet and 95% of the posts find him guilty.

He was "SIGHT" fishing, with rod in his hand....(FULL INTENT)

There were how many witnesses...

I think he definatly got a break, a big one at that...

gt5bass · Post by **gt5bass** » Tue May 06, 2008 8:25 am

bigbass111 wrote:He was "SIGHT" fishing, with rod in his hand....(FULL INTENT)

There is a difference between "looking" and actually "fishing". Intent to fish is not the same as "the act" of fishing. Had he made a cast, he would have been fishing...done, DQ...period!

Look at it from this perspective...same concept, just more dramatic: What if you went some where with the "intent" to hurt someone and you didn't, should you charged with hurting the person?

But then what do I know, I should have been DQ'd as well as I was lookin' at the bank for bed fish when we down it too

and yes, I was at Lake Norman fishing this event.

It is always easier to be an armchair judge, jury and executioner, than to be the one that had to make the decision. We all know your biased towards one organization over another by your previous posts

The Scourge

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue May 06, 2008 8:32 am

I think we can agree to disagree, but I will add this; Who's reputation is good for follow through on protests? Surely not BASS.

Guys like to beat down Ike but he basically DQ'd himself in a Classic for fishing in an off limits area. The aftermath was a bunch of 'sideline anglers' figuring he was doing it solely to keep himself in the limelight. Go figure. See that's part of our problem nowadays, everyone wants to interpret intent. And, it's a lot juicier when you put things in a negative light rather then a positive one. Added drama I suppose. My world needs less drama, more optimism and positive thinking and reacting.

sTony

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:06 am

gt5bass,
you would be charged with "intent to harm" if you entered a person's house with knife in hand; irregardless of whether you actually succeeded in harming the person.

Again, more interpretation, but i understand everyone's point on this and appreciate everyone's input.

Cheers,

Kopper_Bass

gt5bass · Post by **gt5bass** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:17 am

Never said anything about entering or going on a person property with or without their consent or using a knife or other deadly weapon.

I guess basically what I meant was to pummel them.

bigbass111 · Post by **bigbass111** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:30 am

Trolling mtr in the water, rod and reel in hand "FISHING"....No Gray area!!!!!

Witnesses not questioned!! witnesses that "SAW HIM CAST"!!!!

Protest not confirmed by FLW!! (Pugh even states this)

2 polygraphs!!! what were the questions and when did they do it??

Is any info going to be released by FLW on this protest???

Shoot, our own BFL staff member down here told me yesterday it should have been a cut an dry DQ...BFL would have DQ'd him without question "witnesses is all they need"...

Sorry, but your guys analogies on him not fishing is funny....

bigbass111 · Post by **bigbass111** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:36 am

Alright know it all's...

So during the off-limits period of FLW you can go out on the water and look all you want right. Boat in the water and pole in the hand..."just lookin"

It should be perfectly legal right, becasue you are not fishing????

Hey, Pugh was in an off-limits area "just looking".

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:42 am

Never heard of any tournament org having a mandate that all protests are publicly reported. And my first impression is that the guy running the BFL is likely running the BFL instead of the FLW Tour for a reason. Thats apples and oranges.

The guy said he had every intent to fish but didn't and then passed a polygraph. I know you folks think they're so easy to fool but they aren't.

Bottomline: FLW did their thing, it's been reported on so what do people expect? And, let's say they did DQ Pugh after the event and after he passed a polygraph. What's to stop him for taking them to court and more then likely, based on previous case history, whip up on them badly? Seems to me FLW stood to lose badly. But hey, there's the old Catch 22 scenario that some anglers seem to love. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Angler never seem to understand that. It takes a lot of data to uphold most protests and frankly, they didn't have any.

sTony

PS - As hard as it is for you to understand where folks are coming from do me this favor. Go down to your local lake rod in hand. Walk the darned docks for twenty minutes or so and not make a cast. Then tell me afterwards that you went fishing that day. What a joke!

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:43 am

bigbass111 wrote:Alright know it all's...

So during the off-limits period of FLW you can go out on the water and look all you want right. Boat in the water and pole in the hand..."just lookin"

It should be perfectly legal right, becasue you are not fishing????

Hey, Pugh was in an off-limits area "just looking".

Apples and oranges again bigbass. Not supposed to be on the water during an off limits, period.

sTony

bigbass111 · Post by **bigbass111** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:46 am

So then tell me why there is a off-limits for FLW.

If the anglers were to go out looking for beds during that "OFF limits time frame" and not cast...That should'nt be considered fishing right.......So they would'nt be breaking the rules...right? they didnt cast???

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:48 am

The thing is, you're not supposed to be on the water at all during an off limits period. If I remember correctly there is an of limits for the NG but not for the Stren Series or the BFL.

sTony

bigbass111 · Post by **bigbass111** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:54 am

So then why do people think pre-fishing for bed fish using their eyes only is fishing. Or driving around looking at humps with your graph, thats considered part of our sport "fishing".

Blur it up all you want with techs, he was fishing.....

Apples 2 Apples, very simple....

And to awnser your question tony,

Yes I would say "went fishing today and didn't catch crap" the water looked like crap and there were too many people.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:56 am

Then we do have to agree to disagree. It's all good bigbass. Someone's got to put out a different perspective. Seems you and I just cover different sides of the coin on this is all.

sTony

bigbass111 · Post by **bigbass111** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:03 am

No hard feeling's I feel the same way...

NaCl · Post by **NaCl** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:09 am

"...in his mind he "WAS" fishing..."

If breaking rules includes the thoughts inside one's mind, then every time I watch a Sandra Bullock movie, I'm cheating on my wife! Thank God, she's not a mind reader! LOL!

.....NaCl

hmmmmm....wonder why she watches so many Brad Pitt movies????

leachman90 · Post by **leachman90** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:16 am

I can guarentee if I am standing on a dock or in a boat with a fishing rod within my reach BUT I have not fished all day and I get checked for a fishing lisence and do not have one I will be guilty and get a ticket.My intent at some time or another was to probibly to fish wether I have or not.As far as F@W is concerned I was in the "ACT"of fishing and would not care what I would have to say.If Greg went into this area to sight fish and then realized he was in "off-limits" area I still believe he was in the act of fishing.
By the way EVERY report or interveiw I have read on this story so far I have not heard one angler say that they think Greg did this on purpose.Alot of this could have been avoided if the FLW had come out and made a statment.GB..Jim

Splash · Post by **Splash** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:33 am

NaCl wrote:"...in his mind he "WAS" fishing..."

If breaking rules includes the thoughts inside one's mind, then every time I watch a Sandra Bullock movie, I'm cheating on my wife! Thank God, she's not a mind reader! LOL!

.....NaCl

hmmmmm....wonder why she watches so many Brad Pitt movies????

Quit looking at my irlfriend and thinking that stuff Dean! Sheesh......

Guy Williams · Post by **Guy Williams** » Tue May 06, 2008 3:51 pm

Stand on a lake shore with your rod in your hand without a licence and see if DFG gives you a ticket. Your intent is to fish. Say what you will, he was fishing!!! DQ!! FLW saved one of it's own. Like it or not, that's life. Either fish FLW with the knowledge of how they are or don't fish FLW, but move on.
Guy Williams

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Tue May 06, 2008 4:53 pm

NaCl â€“ like the Sandra Bullock assertion and also very true â€“ my wife would do harm to me too.

As for some of the poster using the illustration of a guy holding fishing rod on the bank and/or boat and long comes a Range and sites him for fishing with out a license does not mean the one holding the fishing rod is guilt. Even if he tells the Range he was thinking about fishing but did not.

The Range writes a ticket and the guy with the rod just verify that he will show up for a hearing to determine the guilt. It still needs to be determined. What happen to innocent until proven guilt?

FLW determine it was not guilt â€“ but some think different. Just like two years ago it seem everyone wanted to hang B.A.S.S.

Iâ€™m so confused, let us eat our own!

Marty

SFD3RNGR · Post by **SFD3RNGR** » Tue May 06, 2008 8:43 pm

How about some old fashion, behind the barn, A$$ whopp'in's. I heard there were rumblings about an incident/pro-test during the CL Stren?

lunker punker · Post by **lunker punker** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:22 pm

Who cares. These stupid politics take the fun out of fishing and ruin our sport. FLW did what they did and will stand behind it. We can whine all day and it wont matter. If this annoys you dont fish thier tournaments. The turnouts will suck and they will leave us hangin like BASS did. Then we are all left with WON Bass as the only pro ams in the west. We can all fish for a fully rigged nitro. Without BASS or FLW the field would be full as well. I hate the payout plan FLW has in place and know quite a few people with some horrific stories about the NG FLW tournaments. Lets just say you probably shouldnt run a Ranger boat with a mercury on it in thier competitions........ I wont fish any FLW tourney's. Im a Champion man and a mercury diehard. Just my preference. No claims. Its just what I like. The payout should not be based on the tools we use as fisherman. Winning co-anglers should not be forced to buy a ranger with thier winnings either. Just a gigantic marketing scam in my honest personal opinion. I respect Forrest L. Wood for all his contributions to this sport and love ranger boats but there is another guy that seems to be maniacally trying to put the sqeeze on the bass boat market. I love Hulk Hogan being the spokesman for fantasy fishing though. Right on brother!!!!!!!!!

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Wed May 07, 2008 10:22 am

I am amazed at how many folks join in on the mud slinging. fellow Americans WTFU!!!!! who would be stupid enough to run a tournament in California? What good could ever possibly come out of this thread? What effort to actually find out the facts? For me this entire thread is a SYMPTOM of frustration about other things in life which carries over into OUR PASSION.

I am amazed at how misery loves company. Richard Hamilton

redPHish · Post by **redPHish** » Wed May 07, 2008 11:25 am

Couldn't agree more Rich.

kamm · Post by **kamm** » Wed May 07, 2008 2:57 pm

Or it could be looked at as growing pains. This sort of thing happens when small companies turn big.

Here come a PRO-FISHERMANS UNION.......

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Wed May 07, 2008 3:14 pm

kamm wrote:Or it could be looked at as growing pains. This sort of thing happens when small companies turn big.

Here come a PRO-FISHERMANS UNION.......

Isn't that what the PAA is all about?

sTony

georgecopple · Post by **georgecopple** » Wed May 07, 2008 4:13 pm

bigbass111 wrote:So then why do people think pre-fishing for bed fish using their eyes only is fishing. Or driving around looking at humps with your graph, thats considered part of our sport "fishing".

Blur it up all you want with techs, he was fishing.....

.

dang, if thats the case all those touchdowns i scored at practice while in college should have counted in the game! damn, i should have won the heisman trophy!

this is just like a triton vs. ranger or ford vs. chevy debate, the two sides will never see it the same.

lunker punker · Post by **lunker punker** » Wed May 07, 2008 4:16 pm

Chevy!!!!!!

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Wed May 07, 2008 4:17 pm

georgecopple wrote: the two sides will never see it the same.

In this forum, there are always MORE then two sides to every argument.

sTony

georgecopple · Post by **georgecopple** » Wed May 07, 2008 4:45 pm

sTony wrote:
georgecopple wrote: the two sides will never see it the same.
In this forum, there are always MORE then two sides to every argument.

sTony

very true

CN · Post by CN » Wed May 07, 2008 6:57 pm

Not knowing much more on this situation than what I've read here today can I ask a few.

Was this during practice or pre-fish as you like to call it?

If so why would he waste his time in an area he knew was off limit's.Being a Pro he know's these rule's I would assume.

Was he just trying to see how the Bass on this particular Lake were staging?

Was he seen doing this during the Tournament?

All I see here is negative exposure to "PRO"event's.

FLW suck's....BASS suck's....I suck becouse I dont fish Tournament's.

Not good guy's.

Mike Nance

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