Has anyone else had a problem with Seaguar Florocarbon?

[hunterdave]

During the FLW Stren Clear Lake tournament, I had 3 line breaks in a row. All 3 were at the knot. (Dropshot palamar) It was brand new Seaguar Invizex line and it was not my knots. (One break, maybe, but not 3 in a row) After the first break, I peeled about 10 yards of line and re-tied. Caught another fish and the knot broke again. Fortunately, the fish was on deck and did not bounce off. After that, I peeled another 10 yds off and re-tied. This time, as I released my next cast, "snap!" My dropshot rig went flying. Broke at the knot again. At this point I'd had enough. I peeled the entire spool and respooled with a different brand. After that, I had no problems for the rest of the day. I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced this problem, with this brand.
Thanks

[DeltaDan]

What pound test and what knot ?



Sounds to me like the line was getting burned while tying the knot ?


Also I picked up some KVD Line Conditioner to put on the #20 that was brittle/stiff "feeling", sticky in the spool .... ect .... Line is now Like New !!

[Brian Ruthman]

My kid is doing a Science fair project on breaking strength of lines all 6lb test , we picked out several brands of line Seaguar was one of them the Inviz X broke at 6.125lbs the carbon Pro broke at 5.875lbs the strongest line we found was the P line CXX almost 9lbs before it broke . Funny thing was the Seaguar always broke at the knot , that seemed to be the weak link , i tried several types of knots too . Make sure you wet the line and pull it down slowly with the flourocarbon line .

[Josh St.John]

I swear by the stuff. I always lube up my knots on any floro. I have had the same thing happen one time when I used some Maxima floro one day 3 times in a row. I broke off a fish as well. hopefully just a fluke.
Josh

[hunterdave]

Dan,

8# test, dropshot palomar, and it wasn't my knot. I always pull the line with the knot in my mouth, to prevent line burn. No question in my mind that it was the line. I've tied this knot a thousand times and never had this problem before, mono or flouro.

[Bill Hutcheson]

I don't know - 6 pound test breaking at 6.12 pounds?

Sounds like truth in advertising to me. Especially if you consider how the IGFA rates lines for record catches.

Most lines on the market today break at inherently higher weights that the line test they state on the label. Every manufacturer plays the game of line diameter vs. breaking strength in labeling thier product. Otherwise, everyone would just package thier lines that break at 12 pounds and call them 8 lb test. They would then claim they have the strongest line per weight class on the market. I can't name names, but most of you who have purchased lines over the years know how this game is played and have settled in on the products you feel comfortable using.

Despite wetting the line, many people do tie the Palomar knot incorrectly by crossing the lines when they make the overhand loop. With heavier line tests, this is not as much of an issue, but with the lighter weight lines, ie: 6 lb test, this flaw will frequently manifest itself in line breaks at the knot. It is imperative that the lines must remain uncrossed when making this loop for optimal strength.

Believe me, I know how this all works. I've won tons of money breaking 80-130 pound monofilament and dacron lines with my bare hands. I even did 130 pound spectra once against better judgement. If anyone is foolish enough to lose some money, I will glady prove this claim in person.

Seaguar Fluorocarbon is a good product and I while it is certainly possible that anyone could have purchased a bad spool of line, I don't think it is indicative of the product line.

Bill Hutcheson
WON BASS

[Greg_Cornish]

Great, I hear this the day before I throw all my Vanish away and head to the store to buy Seaguar?

[hunterdave]

Greg,

Naw...go buy the Seaguar. I've been using it for a long time too and will continue to use it. I think I got a bad spool. I was just interested to see if anyone else had this problem. I had a tourny this past Saturday and whacked 'em all on Seaguar Floro without incident.

[ash]

Not with Seagur, but I have had the same issue with P-Line and some Berkley lines. I finally learned the San Diego knot...wow easy to tie and is known to be a drop shot hot shot of a knot.


Sounds to me like you had a bad bunch of line!

[hunterdave]

I'm going to send the remainder of the spool back to the manufacturer and see what they say.

[Greg_Cornish]

...wow easy to tie and is known to be a drop shot hot shot of a knot.

You couldn't work in snot, blot or clot?

[hunterdave]

Greg,

Make sure you blot the knot with snot so it won't burn or clot...

[Greg_Cornish]

Greg,

Make sure you blot the knot with snot so it won't burn or clot...

LOL I knew someone could do it!

[Vince E]

I was breaking off at the knot on my dropshot rig consistantly.
Didn't know for sure if it was the line, the knot, or just abrading on the rocks right at the knot.
I started using the trilene knot and it never happened again.
That's on the same line fishing in the same rocks.
I think palomars and flour don't mix, although I have read many a post by way better fisherman than I here testify that palomars work fine with flour. I guess it could have been the line but I'm going to keep doing what has worked for me.

PS I use the standout hooks for DS. I tie a trilene with a long tag and then pass the tag through the standout eye in the hook.

[JamesH]

I quit using the palomar knot with my 6lb Seguar for this reason. Maybe I just am not very proficient at tying it but other knots have worked much better for me with this line.

James H

[Brian Ruthman]

Seaguar is the line i use mostly , i got some bulk spools of it . I was really shocked to see it break a little over the line rating , dont think your getting any more than the rating....it is exact . Im not going to stop using it any time soon i like the line , i didnt look at line diameter im sure that would be a factor . When i get home i will look up the results and post what i found line diameter and all .
I did have a spool of the Cabelas flourocarbon it is pretty cheap and very strong too . Some lines really stretched too before they broke , so there is a bunch of factors to consider before you settle on what is best for the application .

[SHAFT]

I was having problems with Vanish 25lb. first cast with my first swimbait and snap there she goes that stuff broke like 6lb. mono lost another swimbait with a nice fish attached I pulled it off for braid a buddy said it might be old line I figured that or a bad batch.

[warmstrong]

I swear by seaguar and have used it for a long time. The only thing I can say is that I never use a palomar knot with it. Ive read numerous articles, paricularly by Aaron Martens about not using the palomar with flouro due to it cutting on itself. Honestly the only place I use a palomar is with braid. I use a trilene knot for everything else and have had no problems with break offs at the knot or otherwise. I dont think you tied it wrong, I just think you might be using the wrong knot

[Mike]

Palomer+Fluorocarbon=Bad News!

[mac (Doyle McEwen)]

I haven't had a palomar knot break yet, you think it might be because of the fish I don't catch..

mac

[Brian Ruthman]

Here is the results for my kids science fair project on line strength for several brands of line that i had at my house and use , all 6lb test as rated on the box and i tested them on a trigger pull scale , tested each line 5 times also i listed the line diameter that was on the box . P line CXX was the strongest that i had tested . i was kind of shocked at the results especially when i use more Seaguar than any other line
Stren clear blue .25mm dia =6.25lbs
P line flouroclear .23mm dia=7.75lbs
P line CXX .23mm dia=8.75lbs
Cabelas pro line flourocarbon .10 dia =8lbs
Fire line said same as 2lb line dia ? =8.5lbs
Seaguar Inviz X .205mm dia=6.125lbs
Seaguar carbon pro .205mm dia=5.625lbs

[Mike]

Try Gamma

[bassenvy]

Sounds like you got a bad batch or your line has been out in the elements too long. Flourocarbon (especially light line) is more brittle after it's seen freezing temps or lots of sun. That's why you see tackle stores wrapping foil around it.

I use Seaguar all the time with a big nod to their "leader" line it is alot more expensive but is formulated to be more abrasion resistant.

[Brian Ruthman]

Mike , now your sounding like Johnny C. That is all he talks about Gammmmmmmmmmma !

[fishwithron2]

Palomar knots breaks easier than you think. Allen Fong show me on a 25# line using a palomar knot it broke when he pulled against it. It was just gripping the curve of the hook and pulling on the line. It's not the line, it's the knot.

[lunker punker]

Fluoro is very heat sensetivee and will do this with any knot without a glob of spit when you cinch the knot down. Just lube it up and this should help. Examine the first 1.5" of the main line after you cinch it down. If its wrinkled you exposed the line to too much heat through friction and it will break easily. The trilene knot and double san diego knot are my favs for this rig and are worthless without a gobber of spit. Doesnt matter what brand, but tie carefully and follow these guidlines and this should remedy your dilema. Tight Lines!!!!!!!!
Jeremy