Bill was nominated into the National Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame ( under the Legendary Angler category ). He was imformed Recently at the 2008 ICAST. I on the behave of Team Liftoff would like to Congratulate Bill on his accomplishments.
Way to go Bill keep up the hard work just remeber to stop and enjoy the rewards of life.
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Congratulations Bill... keep it in the BBZ!
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This is, of course, a tremendous mark for Bill, but, also for the entire California contingent of noteworthy anglers. Given that Bill is not an old guy, his nomination points up that the information conduits are both rapid and free flowing from coast to coast and that today "life long" achievements no longer take a lifetime.
I would like to think that others in our region who are not only prolific fish catchers, but also knowledgeable anglers willing to share that knowledge, will likewise reach a point where they can be similarly recognized, nominated and hopefully, inducted.
I'm extremely pleased for Bill and hope his name will, indeed, be placed in the Hall. But for others whom I also have great respect, I would say: Stay focused, avoid getting too close to the edge, and answer questions in a straight forward manner. If so, you will build support in every region of the country.
I look forward to the time when we will read similar announcements on your behalf.
I would like to think that others in our region who are not only prolific fish catchers, but also knowledgeable anglers willing to share that knowledge, will likewise reach a point where they can be similarly recognized, nominated and hopefully, inducted.
I'm extremely pleased for Bill and hope his name will, indeed, be placed in the Hall. But for others whom I also have great respect, I would say: Stay focused, avoid getting too close to the edge, and answer questions in a straight forward manner. If so, you will build support in every region of the country.
I look forward to the time when we will read similar announcements on your behalf.
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Congrats indeed. Not many people get nominated, and Bill certainly deserves it.
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Tin Can wrote:Here's the post for anyone not wanting to register.
Posted by Mattlures.
Here is a picture of one of Bill seimental's new" baits from Icast
He didnt even take the time to carve out his own master. He just took one of my baits and put a double hook in it. It's the same as my original gill. I recognize every detail on the bait. He took one of my original gills and scanned it on to a computer. Then its on a file and you have several 3D images. From there you can make alterations. Like removing the MATT from the tail. It also makes everything symetrical so both sides are the same. You pick one side or the other to duplicate. When I re-did my original gill and made my ultimate gill, I corrected many of the details that were not anatomicaly correct. Since it was one of my first carvings it wasn't very good. There were details that always botherd me that I HAD to fix. Hence the Ultimate gill. Now the second I saw "Bill's" gill I noticed all my little mistakes were captured on his bait. I can see were I used different tools for different details and its all right there on Bill's gill. Even all the fins are exactly the same as my original gill. No technically its not "EXACTLY" the same because his bait is perfectly semetric and even all the scales are the same. The scan doesnt include the scales. Those are added after the rest of the mold is cut. My scales are all slightly different as I did them one at a time on an actualy hand carved master. This is not the only bait of mine he is ripping off. He also copied my little perch bait with the same process. Only a little of the public even knows how he screwed Jerry Rago. Most have no clue that the BBZ was a rip off of the tool. Jerry told me that Bill actualy asked Jerry for 12 or 15 of them when he was writting his book. Jerry sent him 1 or 2 and he couldnt figure out why bill wanted so many. Of course Jerry had no idea that bill was copying his bait. When Bill debuted the BBZ at I cast he wouldnt make eye contact with anybody. Mike Long John Kerr, Myself, Jason, Mickey, Jerry and several other swimbait guys. If one of us came into the booth and looked at his bbz he would just leave and wouldnt comeback untill the person was gone. He definatly knows what he did. I obviously dont have a high opinion of him.
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Matt's Post
Here is a picture of one of his"new" baits from Icast
He didnt even take the time to carve out his own master. He just took one of my baits and put a double hook in it. Its the same as my original gill. I recognize every detial on the bait. He took one of my original gills and scanned it on to a computer. Then its on a file and you have several 3d images. From there you can make alterations. Like removing the MATT from the tail. It also makes everything semetrical so both sides are the same. You pick one side or the other to duplicate. When I redid my original gill and made my ultimate gill I corrected many of the details that were not anatomicaly correct. Since it was one of my first carvings it wasnt very good. There were details that always botherd me that I HAD to fix. Hence the Ultimate gill. Now the second I saw "bills" gill I noticed all my little mistakes were captured on his bait. I can see were I used different tools for different details and its all right there on bills gill. Even all the fins are exactly the same as my original gill. No technically its not "EXACTLY" the same because his bait is perfectly semetric and even all the scales are the same. The scan doesnt include the scales. Those are added after the rest of the mold is cut. My sclaes are all slightly different as I did them one at a time on an actualy hand carved master. This is not the only bait of mine he is ripping off. He also copied my little perch bait with the same process. Only a little of the public even knows how he screwed Jerry Rago. Most have no clue that the BBZ was a rip off of the tool. Bill actualy asked Jerry for 12 or 15 of them when he was writting his book. Jerry sent him 1 or 2 and he couldnt figure out why bill wanted so many. Of course Jerry had no idea that bill was copying his bait. When Bill debuted the BBZ at I cast he wouldnt make eye contact with anybody. Mike Long John Kerr, Myself, Jason, Mickey, Jerry and several other swimbait guys. If one of us came into the booth and looked at his bbz he would just leave and wouldnt comeback untill the person was gone. He definatly knows what he did. I obviously dont have a high opinion of him.
Bill's reply
Well, with all the slander and no proof of anything that I am being accused of I will respond only one time on this matter.
I guess the only way to answer Matt is to take his letter apart in sections so we are ALL clear on the process I took to build the new line of BBZ-2 soft swimbaits.
1-He didn’t even take the time to carve out his own master. He just took one of my baits and put a double hook in it. Its the same as my original gill.
Let me be the first to say that I am not a master carver of baits, never have and more than likely, never will. Out of all the years I have been trying to build baits and helping build baits for other people, Ken Huddleston is by far the most gifted man that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. I have watched him take a chunk of clay, or block of wood and turn it into art. I, on the other hand am not gifted in that area. But, to say I took your bait and just copied it is a false accusation. Here is what I go through to start to build a swimbait. 1- photo’s, 2- looking at Van Dykes taxidermy supplies to find a bait fish that I am trying figure out on proportion and size, 3- dealing with Japan to try and make my not so good carving half way descent. Ken has set the bench- mark on trying to make my most realistic baits ever and as time goes on, so do a lot of other people Rago’s Bluegill and Allen Cole’s bluegill (the one I saw at ICAST is beautiful). Why, that is what we all deserve as fishermen; the very Best baits that can be built.
That being said, here is what really matters. We can only make a bluegill look so many ways, but making a bait that is balanced right, tracks true, durable, and priced so we can all enjoy the sport of Big Baits, and Swimbaits is what it should be all about. Proportionally the bait is smaller in length, height, and width. Also I have a standard boot tail unlike Matt’s, Also the double frog hook jig and weight system does not follow Matt’s in any way. This is and will be a different swimbait.
Matt, you have one of the best bluegill swimbaits on the market for bed fishing. I have told many people that if they want a bluegill that sits on the bottom that does not fall over while bed fishing, yours is the best. I was asked by some very good friends a few years back to build a bluegill for Lake Amistad for deepwater structure fishing. That is what I am trying to build. If you use my bait for bed fishing, well, you are way better off using your bait. Mine will fall on its side. I am making a line of soft swimbaits that are old school boot tails. The baits that my Dad and I used back in 1985 ( Sassy Shads ), then later on the Worm King, Ronolski, my fat body swim bait I built with Pete Cormeir, then came the Optimum. I wanted to build a swimbait that has great tail kick on the slide, tracks true at a wide range of speeds, and has great directional flare on the rip. I really do not want to make a Matt’s bluegill, if I need to use a bluegill on a bed I will buy one of yours.
2- this is not the only bait of mine he is ripping off. He also copied my little perch bait with the same process.
Matt, I was asked but Spro to come out with a full line of swimbaits. Instead of coming out with one bait at a time, I have been working on a 3â€
Here is a picture of one of his"new" baits from Icast
He didnt even take the time to carve out his own master. He just took one of my baits and put a double hook in it. Its the same as my original gill. I recognize every detial on the bait. He took one of my original gills and scanned it on to a computer. Then its on a file and you have several 3d images. From there you can make alterations. Like removing the MATT from the tail. It also makes everything semetrical so both sides are the same. You pick one side or the other to duplicate. When I redid my original gill and made my ultimate gill I corrected many of the details that were not anatomicaly correct. Since it was one of my first carvings it wasnt very good. There were details that always botherd me that I HAD to fix. Hence the Ultimate gill. Now the second I saw "bills" gill I noticed all my little mistakes were captured on his bait. I can see were I used different tools for different details and its all right there on bills gill. Even all the fins are exactly the same as my original gill. No technically its not "EXACTLY" the same because his bait is perfectly semetric and even all the scales are the same. The scan doesnt include the scales. Those are added after the rest of the mold is cut. My sclaes are all slightly different as I did them one at a time on an actualy hand carved master. This is not the only bait of mine he is ripping off. He also copied my little perch bait with the same process. Only a little of the public even knows how he screwed Jerry Rago. Most have no clue that the BBZ was a rip off of the tool. Bill actualy asked Jerry for 12 or 15 of them when he was writting his book. Jerry sent him 1 or 2 and he couldnt figure out why bill wanted so many. Of course Jerry had no idea that bill was copying his bait. When Bill debuted the BBZ at I cast he wouldnt make eye contact with anybody. Mike Long John Kerr, Myself, Jason, Mickey, Jerry and several other swimbait guys. If one of us came into the booth and looked at his bbz he would just leave and wouldnt comeback untill the person was gone. He definatly knows what he did. I obviously dont have a high opinion of him.
Bill's reply
Well, with all the slander and no proof of anything that I am being accused of I will respond only one time on this matter.
I guess the only way to answer Matt is to take his letter apart in sections so we are ALL clear on the process I took to build the new line of BBZ-2 soft swimbaits.
1-He didn’t even take the time to carve out his own master. He just took one of my baits and put a double hook in it. Its the same as my original gill.
Let me be the first to say that I am not a master carver of baits, never have and more than likely, never will. Out of all the years I have been trying to build baits and helping build baits for other people, Ken Huddleston is by far the most gifted man that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. I have watched him take a chunk of clay, or block of wood and turn it into art. I, on the other hand am not gifted in that area. But, to say I took your bait and just copied it is a false accusation. Here is what I go through to start to build a swimbait. 1- photo’s, 2- looking at Van Dykes taxidermy supplies to find a bait fish that I am trying figure out on proportion and size, 3- dealing with Japan to try and make my not so good carving half way descent. Ken has set the bench- mark on trying to make my most realistic baits ever and as time goes on, so do a lot of other people Rago’s Bluegill and Allen Cole’s bluegill (the one I saw at ICAST is beautiful). Why, that is what we all deserve as fishermen; the very Best baits that can be built.
That being said, here is what really matters. We can only make a bluegill look so many ways, but making a bait that is balanced right, tracks true, durable, and priced so we can all enjoy the sport of Big Baits, and Swimbaits is what it should be all about. Proportionally the bait is smaller in length, height, and width. Also I have a standard boot tail unlike Matt’s, Also the double frog hook jig and weight system does not follow Matt’s in any way. This is and will be a different swimbait.
Matt, you have one of the best bluegill swimbaits on the market for bed fishing. I have told many people that if they want a bluegill that sits on the bottom that does not fall over while bed fishing, yours is the best. I was asked by some very good friends a few years back to build a bluegill for Lake Amistad for deepwater structure fishing. That is what I am trying to build. If you use my bait for bed fishing, well, you are way better off using your bait. Mine will fall on its side. I am making a line of soft swimbaits that are old school boot tails. The baits that my Dad and I used back in 1985 ( Sassy Shads ), then later on the Worm King, Ronolski, my fat body swim bait I built with Pete Cormeir, then came the Optimum. I wanted to build a swimbait that has great tail kick on the slide, tracks true at a wide range of speeds, and has great directional flare on the rip. I really do not want to make a Matt’s bluegill, if I need to use a bluegill on a bed I will buy one of yours.
2- this is not the only bait of mine he is ripping off. He also copied my little perch bait with the same process.
Matt, I was asked but Spro to come out with a full line of swimbaits. Instead of coming out with one bait at a time, I have been working on a 3â€
Re: Bill Siemantel ( Nominated for the National Freshwater H
I would like to comment on Bill Siemantel on how cool he was to me and my wife while fishing at Castaic last September. We were in my little tin can boat(jonboat) fishing the same area as Bill when I saw him being dragged around by something HUGE! I knew who he was, my wife didn't so I was taking pix of the whole thing because I thought he was catching a fat Castaic record. But he actually caught a 10 pound catfish and cruised over to me and my wife and gave it to us. He didn't have to do this,but he did. In my mind, he is a super cool guy who is KNOWN as one the most,if not most, Big Bassmen there is. Congratulations Bill on your nomination. And Thanks from me and my wife. For me it will be an experience I will never forget.
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Bill the Proof is in the picture!!!!! Anybody can see that!!!
Bill I do not wish to continue this either so I will respond and hopefully that will end it.
The bluegill you made is not a copy of a bluegill. it is a copy of MY original bluegill. They look the same. Every feature that I carved into that bait is in yours. Even the fins are exactly the same. If these fins and details were an exact copy of a real bluegill. I would not have said anything. However they are not. My original gill has many details that are incorect and at the time was as good as I could carve, Your gill has duplicated every single one of these features right down to halfcircle scales on the outer cheeks and the tiny cut scales on the inner cheek.
Ok so you shrunk it down a tiny bit. my question is.........Why not just carve out your own or hire somebody instead of copying mine?
At Icast 06 I was there. I was not there "with" the other names I mentioned. I did happen to talk to those guys or wittness them come by your booth. I actualy went to your booth to check out the bbz. I had no bad intetions. I wasnt going to say or start anything. I just wanted to see the bait. You saw me and you wouldnt make eye contact. I watched as the other guys I mentioned approached your booth and you would not look at them and you left. I am not lumping them in with my opinions. I just noted how you acted at that show. EDIT Looking back I am not 100% sure that Mickey was there so I removed his name
As for your other baits in your "new" line It is hard to tell from the pics as they are all white. It does look like you did not make exact copies of the other baits. I am sure they are similar but the gill and most likely the perch were copied.
As for Rago. I only posted what he told me. I heard a VERY different story then the one you told. If you think Jerry and you are still friends then good for you. I dont talk to him much but my guess is Your opinion of your "friendship" is a lot different then Jerry's
Lastly I have met you several times. At the last Bass a thon you spent about an hour telling me all your "reasons" for not fishing the HBC. After our conversation I came away with the opinion that you felt you had nothing to gain because everybody already thought you were the best and if you didnt win it, it could hurt your image.
Now I state this as my opinion. You never actualy said that, that was just the impression I got.
Do I hate you?? I try not to hate anybody. Its not healthy.
I of cource have my opinion though.
Good luck with you bid for the Hall of fame.
a little of topic.. I believe the Hall of fame still recognizes the Trew bass as the world record
Bill I do not wish to continue this either so I will respond and hopefully that will end it.
The bluegill you made is not a copy of a bluegill. it is a copy of MY original bluegill. They look the same. Every feature that I carved into that bait is in yours. Even the fins are exactly the same. If these fins and details were an exact copy of a real bluegill. I would not have said anything. However they are not. My original gill has many details that are incorect and at the time was as good as I could carve, Your gill has duplicated every single one of these features right down to halfcircle scales on the outer cheeks and the tiny cut scales on the inner cheek.
Ok so you shrunk it down a tiny bit. my question is.........Why not just carve out your own or hire somebody instead of copying mine?
At Icast 06 I was there. I was not there "with" the other names I mentioned. I did happen to talk to those guys or wittness them come by your booth. I actualy went to your booth to check out the bbz. I had no bad intetions. I wasnt going to say or start anything. I just wanted to see the bait. You saw me and you wouldnt make eye contact. I watched as the other guys I mentioned approached your booth and you would not look at them and you left. I am not lumping them in with my opinions. I just noted how you acted at that show. EDIT Looking back I am not 100% sure that Mickey was there so I removed his name
As for your other baits in your "new" line It is hard to tell from the pics as they are all white. It does look like you did not make exact copies of the other baits. I am sure they are similar but the gill and most likely the perch were copied.
As for Rago. I only posted what he told me. I heard a VERY different story then the one you told. If you think Jerry and you are still friends then good for you. I dont talk to him much but my guess is Your opinion of your "friendship" is a lot different then Jerry's
Lastly I have met you several times. At the last Bass a thon you spent about an hour telling me all your "reasons" for not fishing the HBC. After our conversation I came away with the opinion that you felt you had nothing to gain because everybody already thought you were the best and if you didnt win it, it could hurt your image.
Now I state this as my opinion. You never actualy said that, that was just the impression I got.
Do I hate you?? I try not to hate anybody. Its not healthy.
I of cource have my opinion though.
Good luck with you bid for the Hall of fame.
a little of topic.. I believe the Hall of fame still recognizes the Trew bass as the world record
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I'm glad Bill answered the post himself.
I don't know Matt, of Mattlures, but I do know Bill.
Aside from being a good fisherman, he's a generous person, who shared some of his swim bait wisdom with me, even though I'm not a big time fisherman, just someone who loves bass fishing. And Bill is, too.
I know the company he keeps and who call him friend, like Ron Licari and Mike Foreland, and Bill's adopted son, Troy. All good people. Mostly.
You can't be a good friend and a dishonest person at the same time.
But he's not perfect. He won't share his secret spots with me!
I don't know Matt, of Mattlures, but I do know Bill.
Aside from being a good fisherman, he's a generous person, who shared some of his swim bait wisdom with me, even though I'm not a big time fisherman, just someone who loves bass fishing. And Bill is, too.
I know the company he keeps and who call him friend, like Ron Licari and Mike Foreland, and Bill's adopted son, Troy. All good people. Mostly.
You can't be a good friend and a dishonest person at the same time.
But he's not perfect. He won't share his secret spots with me!
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I have contemplating this topic of copying many times since I am responsible for several patents and trademarks. There are a few ways to protect a revolutionary or artistic design. First is a patent (utility or design) and the second is to capture the majority of the market. Both require a tremendous amount of effort and money. If one does not choose to do either then one should expect to be copied. BTW Copying is a form of flattery.
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The ultimate form of flattery...drew wrote:BTW Copying is a form of flattery.
I'm impressed Andy...
I don't know Bill well, but I've met him on several occassions and have read and watched the BBZ book/DVD several times over, and believe him to be sincere and honest... he appears to me to be just a guy loving the sport and catching the big ones.
Of course, business being cut-throat as it is, it is not surprising that someone would cry foul, nor would it be surprising that someone would actually copy someone else's design (see 1st point). Regardless, there are only so many modifications someone can make to a replica fish while being within realistic tolerances.
I myself will choose to leave the convicting to the courts, and/or those who know, and just believe that Bill makes some great baits and consume as the budget will allow.
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Good Luck
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Re: Bill Siemantel ( Nominated for the National Freshwater H
+1 Well said Rogertunaman wrote:The ultimate form of flattery...drew wrote:BTW Copying is a form of flattery.
I'm impressed Andy...
I don't know Bill well, but I've met him on several occassions and have read and watched the BBZ book/DVD several times over, and believe him to be sincere and honest... he appears to me to be just a guy loving the sport and catching the big ones.
Of course, business being cut-throat as it is, it is not surprising that someone would cry foul, nor would it be surprising that someone would actually copy someone else's design (see 1st point). Regardless, there are only so many modifications someone can make to a replica fish while being within realistic tolerances.
I myself will choose to leave the convicting to the courts, and/or those who know, and just believe that Bill makes some great baits and consume as the budget will allow.
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Re: Bill Siemantel ( Nominated for the National Freshwater H
well the ultimate form of flattery takes money out of the little guys pockets. Im sure they don't find that so flattering.
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Some guy -
Seems not everyone thinks it costs the little guy any money.
sTony wrote -
SAY WHAT???
Seems not everyone thinks it costs the little guy any money.
sTony wrote -
Apparently, he doesn't think it costs the little guys any $$.I get a kick out of the notion that a copy dilutes the revenue potential of the original. There are a lot of arguments on all sides of that one.
SAY WHAT???
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Tom,
Did you seriously put my quote from a different thread and a different forum in here on this thread?
Wow!
sTony
Did you seriously put my quote from a different thread and a different forum in here on this thread?
Wow!
sTony
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Yep I did... and it sounds as ubsurd on here as it did on the other side.
Also - It's the same thread and it was relavant to the post I was replying to. Someone saying it DOES cost the original manufacturer $$$.
Also - It's the same thread and it was relavant to the post I was replying to. Someone saying it DOES cost the original manufacturer $$$.
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TomL wrote:Yep I did... and it sounds as ubsurd on here as it did on the other side.
Also - It's the same thread and it was relavant to the post I was replying to. Someone saying it DOES cost the original manufacturer $$$.
It's not the same thread at all Tom. And you took two sentences from a paragraph and heisted it over to this thread in a separate forum entirely I suppose to make me look bad or something?
Whatever Tom, you win! I'm wrong, feel better?
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It does not matter if the design is exactly the same. It could be slightly different with the same demographic and market share could be changed. Some days I think competition is good and others I'm not sure. It is however the status quo. I think this is getting blown out proportion. Life for all parties involved will go on.
Re: Bill Siemantel ( Nominated for the National Freshwater H
2 hooks instead of one would be a difference right?
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*sigh*
This makes the Quagga seem like years ago eh?
This makes the Quagga seem like years ago eh?
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Re: Bill Siemantel ( Nominated for the National Freshwater H
Bill,
It is too bad that this thread got hijacked by a bunch of B.S. This should be another high point in your long list of accomplishments.
I believe all baits are made to look like a fish. Therefore they are all stolen from our makers original mold.
Don't let the haters get you down. Keep up the good work. Congratulations on your nomination.
It is too bad that this thread got hijacked by a bunch of B.S. This should be another high point in your long list of accomplishments.
I believe all baits are made to look like a fish. Therefore they are all stolen from our makers original mold.
Don't let the haters get you down. Keep up the good work. Congratulations on your nomination.
Re: Bill Siemantel ( Nominated for the National Freshwater H
His or their baits had nothing to do with what Bill accomplished. Stud fisherman no doubt!
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even the scales and facial lines are the same
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Re: Bill Siemantel ( Nominated for the National Freshwater H
Hey guys.. It's all about competition. Did Willie Davidson whine and whinper when Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, and all the other manufacturers from Japan came out with a V-Twin? Hell no! As a matter Harley can bot even keep up with the demand on their motorcycles.
My point here is. It doesn't matter who designed what. There are only so many ways to build a wheel. Marketing is what sells products. I'm sure Rapala doesn't care that all of their lures have been copied by almost every lure maker on the planet. They still sell a bunch!
We can all blame our failures or short falls on someone else, but the bottom line is that competition is what makes money for everyone!
Congrats Bill! Your hard work has paid off. Make you continue making marketable lures, and make a fortune!
God bless America! The land of free enterprise!
Saul
My point here is. It doesn't matter who designed what. There are only so many ways to build a wheel. Marketing is what sells products. I'm sure Rapala doesn't care that all of their lures have been copied by almost every lure maker on the planet. They still sell a bunch!
We can all blame our failures or short falls on someone else, but the bottom line is that competition is what makes money for everyone!
Congrats Bill! Your hard work has paid off. Make you continue making marketable lures, and make a fortune!
God bless America! The land of free enterprise!
Saul
I came. I caught. I released. Life is good! -Saul-
heres jerrys ragos story from another site
Just have a moment here. For the record B.S. gave me some dildo looking chuncks of wood that had a notch tail like an AC plug and a closed mouth carved face with a castic rubber tail. A straight jointed lure of two peices. He asked me to weight it and paint them for him. I told him I couldn't waste my time on these lures. He also told me his fire captain carved the lures. I felt sorry for him and sent him a thirteen inch tool, along with many other baits. When i gave him other tools he asked for about thirty of them. I told him he is a little bit to far out there. And our relationship started to fade. But it was to late, my tool was already in his book. All he did was taunt Mike Long and Jason Scott along with everyone else with the bait. he sent the baits to China for Spro to build. I haven't been around much cause I have been working 15 hours a day,11 months, 7 days a week! I have not stopped making baits!! Every bait i make is sold before I make it, but I am not very fast. I have 25 new baits but don't know what to do with them. Should I go to China? Why else would I be trying to save all this money? ! Wouldn't it be cool if a little guy took down Bill and spro?! Watch for my new bait coming out this week! I don't know if I can live with myself if I go to China... I just wonder how Bill can look his wife in the face, and tell her that he loves her.
P.S. I will be posting pictures of the chuncks of wood that B.S sent me.
JERRY RAGO! ; ]
P.S. I will be posting pictures of the chuncks of wood that B.S sent me.
JERRY RAGO! ; ]
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