More on Obama's Snubbing Our Servicemen

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from AOL News that is directed by very liberal news editors.......................

One casualty of Sen. BarackHussein Obama's busy schedule on his foreign trip was a planned visit to the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, a U.S. military hospital located at the U.S. air base in Ramstein, Germany. The cancellation left Obama with a gap in his official schedule this morning in Berlin before he boarded a plane to fly to Paris for a five-hour stop over en route to London. Obama was to visit with troops receiving treatment for wounds inflicted in Iraq and Afghanistan at Landstuhl. Now, the cancellation, and the Obama campaign's shifting explanations for it, are raising questions.

Obama adviser Robert Gibbs initially said that the visit was canceled because the campaign thought, "it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign." That remark drew sharp criticism from Sen. John McCain, who said, "Barack Obama is wrong. It is never inappropriate to visit our men and women in the military." The McCain campaign also pointed out the Sen. McCain paid a visit to wounded troops on his last trip to Iraq. In response to increased questioning on the cancellation from the press, and perhaps to Sen. McCain's criticism, the Obama campaign later said that it was the military that requested that Obama not make the trip to the base. "We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," a campaign adviser said.

But the military is disputing that explanation. A spokesman for the base told NBC News that the base was prepared to host Sen. Obama, as long as some conditions were met.

"[H]e could only bring two or three of his Senate staff member, no campaign officials or workers. Obama could not bring any media. Only military photographers would be permitted to record Obama's visit.

We didn't know why [the trip was canceled]. He was more than welcome. We were all ready for him."
Obama's campaign has steadfastly refuted the characterization of his trip as political. But the campaign's original explanation for removing the military hospital stop was based on the perception that the visit would be viewed as political. This is a pretty serious mistake by the campaign. The controversy will have no impact on the leaders and crowds Obama will encounter on the remainder of his trip. But it will resonate in the United States, and especially among those whom the trip was intended to convince that Sen. Obama had the experience to be the leader of the free world. Furthermore, the shifting explanations for the cancellation will cause the press to be more skeptical of the campaign's statements. That is something no candidate can afford, much less one who has enjoyed a largely uncritical relationship with the mainstream press.

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Ah yes .....Barack Hussein Obama is representative of the typical liberal left of America...
no time to say thanks to those who serve....but plenty of time to create outright lies as to why he once again snubbed our guys in uniform.

[Greg_Cornish]

[Greg_Cornish]

Snopes up to no good

[long rifle]

He is nothing but a no good "charlie sierra"(you Marines better know what I am saying). He will give away our country worse than "Slick Willie"!!!
In my humble opinion, all canditates(SP) should have prior military experience.

He needs to be "Smoke Checked"!!

[FishaHallic]

Yes, as soon as you serve in the military you have all the experience needed to run a country. If I am not mistaken the military accepts high school drop outs, yea they should be smart enough .

[Marty]

Sorry, you need a High School diploma to get in the military – but it does not help when you’re bleeding or dying to give you the right to write on the internet your hatred of the apposing view!

[FishaHallic]

Come again?

[Marty]

Apposing: meaning - apply (one thing) to another, place side by side or place emphasis on a certain point.

Did I miss use it or you did not understand? I could have used different.

[Dan McKenzie]

Having military experience definately is NOT a negative. Someone who has served certainly has a keen understanding of the organization they would be Commander and Chief of if they were to be elected. While Clinton showed he was adept with managing the operating expenses of our nation, his dismal leadership of our military and lack of funding for it still shows today. Him not having served played a huge role in his misunderstanding of a major part of the presidents role, namely Commander and Chief. Case in point, does anyone believe that the deteriorating condition of our military bases, installations and hospitals happened on GW's watch, it started in the early 90's and rapidly declined throughout the Clinton Administration. Deep cuts in our defenses and lack of leadership for 8 yrs is the root cause. Let something go for a year and see what happens, try doing that for 8 yrs.
Sorry a little off topic, but so much of this ties into this election.
I don't for one second believe Obama dissed the wounded troops, no candidate is that stupid, and certainly not a Harvard Law grad. I do think he made a giant error in not going, and McCain has every right to jump on it.

[FishaHallic]

Marty, I did not understand what you are trying to say with this comment "but it does not help when you’re bleeding or dying to give you the right to write on the internet your hatred of the apposing view! "

I agree though that military experience won't hurt but it sure should not be a requirement. GW had military experience if you want to call it that and I would hardly call him a good example for this argument.

[Marty]

I buy that – you don’t have to be in the military to be President, if it was a requirement it would have been in the constitution. But one of the best lessons I have from the military is “Risk Assessmentâ€

[Greg_Cornish]

While Clinton showed he was adept with managing the operating expenses of our nation, his dismal leadership of our military and lack of funding for it still shows today.

Oh this is just to funny. I'm sorry, but I must be living in a parallel universe or on the earth directly on the other side of the sun from you.

First; abolishing the draft was a huge mistake in my opinion. If we ever need it again think about the political fallout that will occur. No politician will be able to stand up and say, "We need to introduce the draft." It would be political suicide.

There were no major conflicts, during Clinton's term. We were a peaceful nation compared to now. Bush dumped Somalia in his lap. Even now we're fighting a fake war. When this war in Irag started I told my conservative sister exactly what was going to go down in Iraq if we became involved. I could hear the disdain in her voice as she said, "YOU DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT DO YOU?"

If Bush hadn't screwed everything up so badly, every day of his terms our military (The most powerful in the world) would be well funded.

[Dan McKenzie]

My ultimate point was "I don't think Obama was purposely trying to snub the troops" I do think it was a major err on his part to not abide by the rules and just go on and visit the men and women by himself, without campaign advisors. The rest was me rambling off topic trying to connect a few dots.

[Greg_Cornish]

Hehe I can do that myself pretty good.

[FishaHallic]

Marty, I use "risk assessment" everyday when I respond to these post. Should I piss off everyone and say how I really feel or take the high road and tone it down a little. I think you of all people know what I normally do . J/K

I like McCain, I think he was a war hero and agree with some of his policies but that still does not make him the best candidate in my book. I am not going to lose any sleep if he is elected but I think the country will be better off without another 4 years of GWs policies which = OBAMA FOR 08

[FishaHallic]

First; abolishing the draft was a huge mistake in my opinion. If we ever need it again think about the political fallout that will occur. No politician will be able to stand up and say, "We need to introduce the draft." It would be political suicide.

I agree, I think we should start the draft again but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

[Jeff C.]

[quote]
But one of the best lessons I have from the military is “Risk Assessmentâ€

[Greg_Cornish]

...I do think it was a major err on his part to not abide by the rules and just go on and visit the men and women by himself, without campaign advisors. The rest was me rambling off topic trying to connect a few dots.

By the way, this has all been proven BS.

[getalife]

I served in the USMC under Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton for a short time, and I can tell you that, from a military perspective, Clinton was a disaster for our national defense. We are extremely lucky there was no major conflict during his two terms. Many of the problems we had at the beginning of the Afganistan/Iraq conflicts (no body armor for the troops, unprotected Hummers, etc.) were the result of Clinton's massive cuts.

I dont care if Obama did or didnt visit the troops in Germany. The fact is that the military is predominantly conservative and most of those troops dont give a rats a$$ about Obama.

McCain's "risk assessment" skills led him to incorrectly conclude that the nation of Iraq posed an imminent threat to this country and our allies based on the fictitious existence of WMDs.

Him and 99% of every one else in the government. The fact is that Sadam DID have WMD's. He even used gas on his own people. That much is fact. The Dem's conveniently forget that WMD's were used by Sadam. So, where did they go? Who knows, they may have been moved into Iran, they may be buried in the sand, or they may have been destroyed by Sadam. We may never know what happened to them but the fact is that he did have them and he would not let the inspectors verify their presence or absence. IMO the (2nd) invasion of Iraq was about 5 years late.

I think that military experience should be a requirement for the presidency (I dont consider Bush's time in the Guard "military service"). If you are going to command the most powerful forces on the planet then you should have "been there" yourself. Otherwise you get the abortion we have now in Iraq, or you bomb aspirin factories to divert the media away from your personal problems.

[Greg_Cornish]

Him and 99% of every one else in the government. The fact is that Sadam DID have WMD's. He even used gas on his own people. That much is fact. The Dem's conveniently forget that WMD's were used by Sadam. So, where did they go? Who knows, they may have been moved into Iran, they may be buried in the sand, or they may have been destroyed by Sadam. We may never know what happened to them but the fact is that he did have them and he would not let the inspectors verify their presence or absence. IMO the (2nd) invasion of Iraq was about 5 years late.

And there might be a tooth fairy.

William Scott Ritter, Jr. (born July 15, 1961) is noted for his role as a chief United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 to 1998, and later for his criticism of United States foreign policy in the Middle East. Prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March 2003, Ritter publicly argued that Iraq possessed no significant weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). He became a popular anti-war figure and talk show commentator as a result of his stance.

Scott Ritter was a highly respected weapons inspector until he disagreed with Cheney's tactics. Then the Cheney presidency plugged their ears.

These people been cutting each others throats over an acre of sand for hundreds of years yet everyone wants to complain how evil Sadam was. They will eventually end up being ruled by another brutal government and we will have wasted the lives of 10,000 to 30,000 troops just like Viet Nam IF the American People let the BS go that far, but they won't .

Sadam saw what was coming down the pike and was begging for weapons inspections before we invaded.

Cheney knew exactly what would happen. <-- click here.

Next subject.

[Andy Lippert]

Mr. Cornish,

I typically leave misguided and delusional liberals such as yourself alone to wallow in your own sorrows and misery, but your comments as of late have just made me just about sick. You call this war "fake" and "failed" and neither of which are true. People don't die in a fake war, my friends don't come home in flag draped coffins in a "fake" war, and it disgusts me that YOU as an "American" make this claim. Now, your next description of Iraq as a "failed" war....please tell me how we have failed. Your expression of disapproval of what has taken place in Iraq is needless. We all know why we went in. Like Rambo said, 99 percent of our Govt thought that we should go in, and we did. The real question is, what can we do now? We've done our best over there, and things are looking up for the Iraqi people. We can't just pop smoke and leave the Iraqis at the mercy of the insurgency.

I can whole heartedly say that I am proud as any U.S. Marine could be to be serving the American people and doing the deeds that most Americans don't want to do. But I am in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM proud to be serving individuals like you who frequently disrespect the efforts of the American military by describing this war as "fake" and "failed". You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

And P.S. the reason that the price of oil has almost doubled has nothing to do with "mid-east turmoil". Take a look at Chinese and Indian consumption rates in the last 10 years, and you will find the reason as to why we're paying so much at the pump. I thought you got smarter the older you got? It seems as though that doesn't apply to liberals such as yourself.

Cpl Lippert, Andrew J. USMC

[steve0806]

*NM*

[Greg_Cornish]

Mr. Cornish,

blah blah blah

Cpl Lippert, Andrew J. USMC

I was Regular Army - enlisted to. I see your point. If we have soldiers we may as well us them huh?

[Jeff C.]

The high cost of oil is due to a number of things, one of which is clearly the instability in the middle East caused by our invasion of Iraq. Another is the low value of the dollar, due in large part to our record budget deficit, and spending 2 billion dollars a week in Iraq hasn't helped in that regard.

Whether the war is ultimately seen as a success or failure will be determined by history and what one views as it's ultimate goal.

Did we get rid of Saddam? Of course. Did it make us safer? Clearly not at this point by most accounts. Will Democracy thrive in Iraq? That has yet to be determined, but if it does that clearly will help to make us safer in the end.

Things are certainly looking up in Iraq, and that means it is time to start drawing this thing to a close. Iraqi Prime Minister Al-Maliki himself has said that he wants us out within a few years, and even the Bush administration seems to be adopting a similar time-table as Obama, except they use the term "time-horizon".

[Greg_Cornish]

Mr. Cornish,

People don't die in a fake war, my friends don't come home in flag draped coffins in a "fake" war, and it disgusts me that YOU as an "American" make this claim.

But people die in wars caused purely by politics. Vietnam. After losing the lives of $50,000 American (my friends). I say reinstitute the selective service. Yes, the draft. Forget college deferments. Take warm bodies like they did when I was in, 1966, 1967 and 1968. Fill up the Army, Marines, Navy and the Air Force if you want to fight a war. My buddy just finished his third tour over there. He was supposed to be gone 15 months. He was gone 24. How long can you subject people to that?

My buddy trains the police force over there. He has no idea if he's training insurgents or Iraqis. When he got back after his second tour I asked, "What's your opinion on how much longer?" He said, Three years tops. I asked him again now, he says, "Who knows?"

You're probably smart enough to figure out by now by what I mean as a fake war. Going in under false pretenses. If a farm boy like me can figure out how this war was going to go, why can't a president of the United States. Because he's really freaking STUPID. The first time I heard him talk I was convinced our citizens were smart enough to see that.

When Bush was beating the drums the whole congress swallowed it - Democrats and Republicans. I didn't. The whole bunch can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.

Now, your next description of Iraq as a "failed" war....please tell me how we have failed. Your expression of disapproval of what has taken place in Iraq is needless. We all know why we went in. Like Rambo said, 99 percent of our Govt thought that we should go in, and we did. The real question is, what can we do now? We've done our best over there, and things are looking up for the Iraqi people. We can't just pop smoke and leave the Iraqis at the mercy of the insurgency.

I can whole heartedly say that I am proud as any U.S. Marine could be to be serving the American people and doing the deeds that most Americans don't want to do. But I am in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM proud to be serving individuals like you who frequently disrespect the efforts of the American military by describing this war as "fake" and "failed". You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Ya I know, we're doing really great over there. Sorry I'm not a flag waver. I question everything. I'm thankful we have forces to defend us. But if your going to fight a war you should go into it prepared. When I first heard about our Troops driving by hordes of weapons standing in the field and no-one stayed to confiscate them or guard them I wondered "What the Hell?" I heard later those same weapons were taken by insurgents and used to create I.E.D.s

So, we never should have gone into Iraq in the first place, But now its like fighting a wildcat. Its awfully hard to let him go. We have to much at stake to leave and to much at stake if we stay. The only difference besides topography in this war and Vietnam is the draft. WE SHOULD REINSTITUTE IT! Why don't we? Because there wouldn't be a congressman or senator left standing. You start taking the rich mamas and papa's boys out of college and putting them in the military and watch how many less flag waivers you'll see on the corners in your towns.

Seriously I say RAMP IT UP! Flood Iraq with troops and clean house. If we weren't in Iraq right now we could get rid of the nuclear threat in Iran which we should be doing. But we can't. We're stretched to thin.

And P.S. the reason that the price of oil has almost doubled has nothing to do with "mid-east turmoil". Take a look at Chinese and Indian consumption rates in the last 10 years, and you will find the reason as to why we're paying so much at the pump. I thought you got smarter the older you got? It seems as though that doesn't apply to liberals such as yourself.

Cpl Lippert, Andrew J. USMC

I already know that, what gave you the impression I didn't? However, oil is the reason we are there. If it isn't then we have a stupid president.

[FishaHallic]

I agree with everything you said Greg and especially the part about bringing back the draft. We are having a very hard time now fighting two somewhat small wars, whats going to happen when we go up against one of our bigger foes?

[Greg_Cornish]

I agree with everything you said Greg and especially the part about bringing back the draft. We are having a very hard time now fighting two somewhat small wars, whats going to happen when we go up against one of our bigger foes?

Nukes!