FLW & 100% BASS UPDATE

Gene Buchholz · Post by **Gene Buchholz** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:14 pm

The FLW will be going out of Russo's Marina between the dates October 8 through the 11th.
Bob thought it was in the best interest of all the anglers to move his tournament to November 1st and 2nd.
I want to thank Bret from Western Outdoors News (WON) for moving his team tournament from Nov. 1st to (a date to be announced) and the Hook Line & Sinker for moving their tournament from Nov. 2nd (to a date to be announced) to acommodate both FLW and 100% Bass.
More importantly I want to thank Bob for his understanding and appreciation for the other circuits and the anglers.

Both organizations were put in a situation that could not be helped.
I ask that everyone be understanding and supportive of both organizations.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:31 pm

Nice. Thanks for the update Gene. Its great to see everyone working together to get it done.

Now do you have $3500 I can borrow????

RMANZO · Post by **RMANZO** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:45 am

so bob,,, are you going to notify everyone fishing u'r t.o.c, that u r changing the date??? it would be nice since some of us have already rented a house to stay in and we took work off------ the original date is in "3" weeks...........

ckraft · Post by **ckraft** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:15 am

wow gene has to be lovin it i wonder who got paid off shasta lake gets the shaft now the 100% guys get the shaft .

Noble Moore · Post by **Noble Moore** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:35 am

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:46 am

My question is about the off limits. How is that affected by the change of venues? Looks like I'll be making a phone call on Monday.

smpboy · Post by **smpboy** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:51 am

i wonder how much flw gave 100 percent to move the dates seems like the 100% guys are the 1s getting screwed now they have to change alll their plans and try to get new days off this late in the year.

ashtwigg · Post by **ashtwigg** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:46 pm

After looking at this supposed to be better for everyone scenario, what it really comes down to is that it is better for FLW. It looks like everyone just rolled over. Loyalty to me is very important, and I have always stood behind the tournament associations I deal with, but it doesn't loo like they CARE about those that support their tournaments on a regular basis. Guess I will be shopping online.

Fishfreq · Post by **Fishfreq** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:40 pm

ashtwigg wrote:...It looks like everyone just rolled over...it doesn't loo like they CARE about those that support their tournaments on a regular basis. Guess I will be shopping online...

It's more like 'everyone working together'. We have a low-water situation where more events have to happen on one water, the Delta, and everyone is helping out to not interfere with each other. I'm glad the 100% TOC is moved. It would have been a bummer with 300+ boats out there the same week pounding those bass.

fishfan · Post by **fishfan** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:37 pm

It's more like 'everyone working together'. We have a low-water situation where more events have to happen on one water, the Delta, and everyone is helping out to not interfere with each other. I'm glad the 100% TOC is moved. It would have been a bummer with 300+ boats out there the same week pounding those bass.[/quote]

I don't think you see the BIGGER PICTURE! Possibly 200 teams made reservations and taken time off of work for this! Not including gas and pre-fish time, plus time away from family! Now the TOC has been moved to NOV.1st and 2nd. Now I personally have not missed a Halloween with my children and I'm not planning on starting NOW!

My opinion on this is it is BS!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100% had their permits first! FLW should have checked into this first, Not hard to access the DFG website. I also had days off, family plans, etc. Now I may not make my TOC because everyone wants to BENDOVER backwards for FLW! Sorry but not ME!

Just my .02

Jeff

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:59 pm

Sh$T happens!

I like the change, but feel bad for those that have to scramble to figure out how to fish it! sorry fishfan!

I already have another TOC in Oct. so this helps me spread the money. Again sorry to those that have to make changes or can't fish it!

But......SH&T happens!

goaheadandhateme · Post by **goaheadandhateme** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:43 pm

The trouble is that everyone involved is getting boned. 100% Planned ahead and fisherman made adjustments, for what... to get boned.
FLW fisherman have been planning for Shasta how long and for what?????? to get boned.
Won guys... boned
on and on and on...
The real issue is people, organizations, whoever can't do a thing without fisherman. So if you feel like you are getting boned it's because you are not standing up. You can't get boned standing.
So everyone who fishes these events without holding anyone accountable is letting themselves get boned.
So if you chose to assume the position and take it you have no reason to complain. Everyone new the water situation long ago, and the last minute changes are because the fisherman feel they are at the mercy of the organization and did nothing, when it should be the exact opposite.

smpboy · Post by **smpboy** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:16 am

why didnt they just move it to clear lake seems alot better choice and alot closer to shasta?

Mr Gambler · Post by **Mr Gambler** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:57 am

Won Bass delta region, Nov. 1, 2008 -----Russo"s

Gene Buchholz · Post by **Gene Buchholz** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:29 am

First of all know one was paid off. FLW did check with the DF&G and DF&G gave them the go ahead for Oct 8th,9th,and 10th out of Russo's and the 11th out of Brannon Island. The DF&G had Bob's dates recorded wrong.
I nor anybody else solicited the FLW to come to the Delta it was there choice. Bob did have his permits in order and had the same concern others did about how many boats would be on the water and if the water would be beet up for his anglers.
I and Chuck Russo met with Bob on Saturday to see what could be done to make everything work smoothly, Bob made the decision to change his tournament to Nov 1 % 2. which ment I would move the Nov Hook Tournament and Bret would move the Nov WON tournament.
There is a lot of people being inconvenienced.
Bob should be patted on the back for the decision he made.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:40 am

Maybe Bob should have gone back to Shasta like he had originally planned before FLW sucked up all the local money.

100%BASS · Post by **100%BASS** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:14 am

for this whole mess. I just felt that considering the situation, it was in the best interest of the anglers of 100% BASS to move this event. We know many are inconvienenced and we are very sorry for this. We hope all will help us make the best of a bad situation and look forward to an exciting tournament in november. I will be mailing letters out this week to all our anglers detailing the info they need. They can also go to our website for details. hope to see you all there.

Bob Kornhauser
100% BASS

ckraft · Post by **ckraft** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:39 am

When the dust settles it most likely comes down to money thats why we have no 100% toc at shasta and no flw at shasta.I dont see your point in the what you say by there are no winners gene at the hook is going to make some money russos stands to make money the local delta rats stand to win money flw will draw more boats at the delta than shasta. Do you think that flw reputation has been damaged to the point that they will lose numbers over this thus maybe the flw will not be back in 2010 i surely hope not.

Tony M · Post by **Tony M** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:00 pm

Count me out. My partner scheduled his vacation around the Oct. 10th & 11th date.

Old dog · Post by **Old dog** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:56 pm

Thanks Tony for telling people to read between the lines. These issues are all about money and politics. I have been a personal friend of Bobs for 25 years and his main goal in starting 100% Bass was to treat the fishermen better and change the way payouts were done at bass fishing tournaments. The presure on Bob to move this event was tremendous, and it came from many sources. He agonized over the original decision to move the event from Oroville and he was determined not to have to move it again, but the powers that be were so compelling he didn't have much choice. The big winners in this thing are the marinas, the tackle stores, and the town of Oakley. The losers are the same groups at Shasta. Bob is also a loser in this as some anglers have allready expressed they will not fish 100% anymore. They do have a valid gripe about changing work schedules, taking vaction time, making reservations for motels or other rentals. Hopefully most can make new arangements without any cancellation fees. The big winner in this is FLW. They need to publicly step up and thank Bob and everyone else who bailed them out by moving their events so their event could be held. Sorry to go on so long but I just can't stand it when the little guy gets pushed around by the big bully.

wicked28 · Post by **wicked28** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:31 pm

WOW i've never heard so much bitching coming from grown men. suck it up and move on.

I don't know about the rest of you but i'd rather fish for big money anyway, and who says boned anymore its more like f******!

Fast 492 · Post by **Fast 492** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:32 pm

I understand the frustration that many have during this time, but I also feel for BOB & 100%. We as anglers need to realize that with the water levels as they are and the shear number of tournament circuits that are trying to bring their organizations to us (so we can do what we love), we have to be flexible (sometimes more than we choose to be). I had the pleasure of dealing with Bob at the DFG draw this year. I sent in my dates for the Gold City trail early to secure my dates after working around all of the Pro/Am circuits. 100% sent out a letter saying that they wanted to try a new format this year and would we mind trying to work around their dates as well. I changed 3 dates to circumvent all of the circuits including 100%s'. At the draw the only conflict I had to work out was with Bobs' team trail. Because I had worked around his new venture for him, he repaid the favor and rescheduled his team event. He is a stand up director and I look forward to working around people such as him in the future. Bashing him for doing what he believes is in the best interests for the majority of anglers is not fair. We all know that you can't please everyone 100% of the time, if there was ever a time we as anglers and humanbeings need to give a little and show how adaptable we really are (not just on the water) it is now.

frank · Post by **frank** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:32 pm

There is no way to sugar coat it, this just sucks. Now a few anglers that I know, including myself will not be able to fish the TOC we spent our time and money to qualify for. I left another circut to fish with 100% due to Bob's great reputation for taking care of the anglers. There is nothing any of us can do now. The decision has been made. And we should not forget about all the guys with kids that will have to choose between taking their kids out for halloween or going to the traditional "manditory" pre-tournament meeting.

I will not be able to fish but I have one question for Bob. Can you atleast step up and find a way to allow anglers to get the info from the pre-tourney meeting in another way and not force them to choose between taking their kids out trick or treating and a tourney?

I hope 100% steps up and does the right thing. You should make it so that everyone possible that supported your circuts can fish the TOC they earned the right to fish in. None of this is their fault and they should not have to choose between their kids and fishing.

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:05 pm

frank wrote: None of this is their fault and they should not have to choose between their kids and fishing.

This reminds me of the four F's in life, Faith, Family, Friends & Fishing. If you feel you are having to make a choice between your kids & fishing, and choose fishing, that is solely yer cross to bare and no one elses. Your life is what you make it, not those around you. When these are properly prioratized, there is and should be no hesitation in your choice. To lay the burden of YOUR choice on Bob, in my mind, is not the best choice on your part.

frank · Post by **frank** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:28 pm

Cooch,
I was not asking for Bob to make the choice for anyone, I was simply asking if he could accomodate the anglers that will rightly choose their families.

What is wrong with that, it was a simple request.

The anglers did not make the choice to have check in on one of the most popular childrens holidays of the year.

Is a little understanding and flexibility to much to ask in a no win situation for all parties involved?

I guess if you lived in the delta down the road from the marina it would not be a big deal.

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:45 am

frank wrote:Cooch,
I was not asking for Bob to make the choice for anyone, I was simply asking if he could accomodate the anglers that will rightly choose their families.

What is wrong with that, it was a simple request.

The anglers did not make the choice to have check in on one of the most popular childrens holidays of the year.

Is a little understanding and flexibility to much to ask in a no win situation for all parties involved?

I guess if you lived in the delta down the road from the marina it would not be a big deal.

Where I live has nothing to do with this, and actually, I live right on the river, so no need ta use a luanch ramp.

My point is, and in this thread twice, the Halloween kids thing was mentioned, using that leverage, or an excuse, or to attain understanding and flexibility to attain what you prefer, stating ya shouldn't have to make a choice, in my mind, is not offering any understanding or flexibility to Bob's situation here. Making the choice to be with family over fishing, is an admirable thing to do, I respect that choice. Turning it the other way around and saying Bob is forcing you to make a choice, in this particular debate, to me is counter productive.

As you said, it IS a no win situation, and Bob made the best possible choice for the majority and the overall situation. Bob is not the root cause of the problem that occured here. Personally I think he should be commended for stepping up and working with the other org, as best he could. Down the road, that deed will pay dividends for his organization and anglers.

Fast 492 · Post by **Fast 492** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:16 am

As you said, it IS a no win situation, and Bob made the best possible choice for the majority and the overall situation. Bob is not the root cause of the problem that occured here. Personally I think he should be commended for stepping up and working with the other org, as best he could. Down the road, that deed will pay dividends for his organization and anglers.

You hit the nail on the head Cooch!!!

ashtwigg · Post by **ashtwigg** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:47 am

Gentlemen,

I think we are losing track of the overall problem, which goes back to what actually took place. FLW says they are more important than the rest of us, and they are not willing to help bridge this gap. If there is a bad guy in this, I firmly believe it is FLW. I'm sure that Bob was left with no choice if he continues to want to do business in this area. Just remember the people that gave and the organization that took.

bassassin · Post by **bassassin** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:20 am

Mike wrote:Nice. Thanks for the update Gene. Its great to see everyone working together to get it done.

Now do you have $3500 I can borrow????

gay message in my opinion haha

ckraft · Post by **ckraft** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:35 am

[quote="ashtwigg"]Gentlemen,

I think we are losing track of the overall problem, which goes back to what actually took place. FLW says they are more important than the rest of us, and they are not willing to help bridge this gap. If there is a bad guy in this, I firmly believe it is FLW. I'm sure that Bob was left with no choice if he continues to want to do business in this area. Just remember the people that gave and the organization that took.[/quote

you hit the nail right on the head ashtwigg.

russ@russmeyer1.com · Post by **russ@russmeyer1.com** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:40 pm

I'll drink to that I live near LAKE SHASTA I sure don't see any benefit going to the delta over Shasta .There is plenty of water here , trust me I have been there alot this last week. I love the delta . But I sure never planed on leaving for a week and I spent a lot of gas on Shasta when I could have spent it on the Delta had I known. Most of the guy's at Shasta are pissed and are not going to the delta just because it seriously screwed up there work schedules including mine. We all love Chuck and Gene down there , but we'll have to make it another time. Best of luck to all who go. Be safe.

Tom(fishfafun) · Post by **Tom(fishfafun)** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:22 am

FLW had no right to put any tournament organization in this position, to have to make adjustments so that their dates could stand? 100% lost Oroville earlier in the year and Bob had to wheel and deal to find OPEN permit dates and city/county funding that would work for his TOC. No one had to move over for this to happen. This decision to fish the Delta on Oct. 10-11th we (the 100% contestants) felt was final, hence out of towners making motel plans and most of us taking vacation time to be able to fish. Now we have to adjust for the FLW? Just doesn't seem right. What has the FLW done for the contestants fishing the 100% TOC this year or in future? Maybe they'll send us all a coupon for some free Wal-Mart baits, or $$$ off for our next Ranger purchase that we need to own to make some money with them.

Realizing that the FLW contestants also had to make changes, why
did numerous organizations have to be upset for this thing to happen? I know there are no permits pulled for New Melones on those dates and I also know the Angles Camp area would love to have that money up there. And it's a deep water lake like Shasta so that would be more consistent with what type of fishing everyone had planned. Makes much more sense to me than to upset other's plans.

Before this all happened, I had nothing against the FLW tournament organization, realizing that when the permits were given out each year, our local organizations catered to their preference of dates. I'm sure this was/is in the best interest of all concerned. But if this is what's going to happen every time FLW has to reschedule, then the real tournament anglers of this state are being dumped on. It's us everyday guys that provide the $$$ keeping this sport going. Not just entry fees, but everything we buy, from our boats to the worms we are using. The FLW is no bigger a part of this than we are.

I truly believe in he concept of "getting along" and though I plan to fish the 100% TOC (earned that right), I'm getting tired of changing my plans. We all need to take a look at who are supporting and why.

BTW, when is the new November date for the "Hook" because I need to know what date we all probably WON'T be fishing. Way too many changes this year giving me a major pain in the ......

just my .02, sorry, I have a great respect for PLANNING.

Tom(fishfafun)

keithcant · Post by **keithcant** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:59 am

From the outside looking in..............all of you fishing those events truly got HOSED. And, The only one supporting the decision makers are themselves or their longtime friends.
Speculation that the dollar was the motivator likely wasn't off the mark--- as looking at all of your thoughts and opinions as to the actual need for changes as compared to the reasons given points only to some other motivator.
YEAH, youse got screwed!!

The above opinion certainly is not wanted nor needed----------but is just so obvious to someone who is unaffected by it all-----but sees the fisherman/money provider gettin' hosed and then having to deal w/ comments complaining about your plight..................my 1.5 cents.

Mr Gambler · Post by **Mr Gambler** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:29 am

Could someone enlighten Me on this

why didn"t BOb just change host marinas, or is money involved in that also

redPHish · Post by **redPHish** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:28 am

Wow. Interesting comments from all sides. It wouldn't surprise me if big money tournaments are soon a thing of the past in the West.

It's funny that many think every organization is evil if mother nature changes the circumstances and they are forced to change plans. It's obvious most have no idea about hosting a big televised fishing tournament in a community. It's not as simple as just picking another venue and showing up. Venue has to be able accomodate the anglers, the crews, the ancillary people that show up to cover and work the events.

Some venues just simply aren't interested. When faced with a last minute change, I would guess FLW went with a venue they knew and could work with quickly to accomodate the changes necessary. I'm sure they didn't intend to step on the toes of other fishing orgs. I guess an alternative would have been to just not have an event. Sometimes it sounds like thats the only way to make anyone happy.

Good luck to those who go and sorry to those who don't get to fish what they wanted originally.

Noble Moore · Post by **Noble Moore** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:29 am

Could someone enlighten Me on this why didn"t BOb just change host marinas, or is money envolved in that also
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I would like to know that as well???

CN · Post by CN » Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:10 pm

As another outsider looking at this............you got screwed and it didnt even feel good.

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